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	<title>Comments on: Canadian Oil &#8212; Hsu&#8217;s &#8220;Big Surge&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: spreadtrader</title>
		<link>http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2008/08/canadian-oil-hsus-big-surge.html/comment-page-1#comment-4543</link>
		<dc:creator>spreadtrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah. I thought it was just a bid. Apparently there&#039;s a deal now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah. I thought it was just a bid. Apparently there&#8217;s a deal now.</p>
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		<title>By: surferonice</title>
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		<dc:creator>surferonice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought tck bought out fdg</description>
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		<title>By: spreadtrader</title>
		<link>http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2008/08/canadian-oil-hsus-big-surge.html/comment-page-1#comment-4540</link>
		<dc:creator>spreadtrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m still learning too, especially when it comes to stocks. However, the older I get the less it is a hobby. As someone else said in the forum.......your retirement may be at stake. I&#039;m comparing CLL to FDG as members of the same broad energy sector. Both supply energy commodities. Certainly, there are major differences in the companies but after I get beyond the sector analysis, a chart is a chart; and in this unfavored sector FDG is the clearly better choice for me. After all, there are lots of stocks. Why bulk up on the wrong ones?

Excellent point about volatility presenting great trading opportunities. Every opportunity is tempered by risk; and effective risk control separates the good from not so good traders/investors. Compare these two stocks on the issue of volatility. Since January FDG has moved from 31.00 to 96.00, a triple. CLL has moved from 2.50 to 5.00, a double. During the past seven months FDG has been the more volatile stock. Typically, higher volatility carries greater risk. However, tools like options can be used to control risk (like the trade that I described above), making what appears to be a more volatile stock less volatile.......and less risky. In comparing CLL with FDG there is only one choice because only FDG is optionable, CLL is not. That&#039;s just one more reason to choose FDG. With CLL you can only use stops to control risk. 

Last but not least is &quot;position size&quot;. A &quot;double&quot; in CLL from 2.50 is still only 2.50. In order to really make money in raw dollars you have to buy a LOT of the stock. But how much of your total capital can you afford to tie up in CLL in order to experience the joys of a &quot;ten bagger&quot; (if we should be so lucky)? And if you tie that much capital up in CLL how much of it do you lose if the price moves from 5.00 back to 2.50? It&#039;s always 50% regardless of whether it&#039;s $5,000 or $50,000. That&#039;s an awful lot to lose on one trade, especially if it&#039;s a big bet. &quot;Position size&quot; is a component of trading/investing that is very little understood, even by professionals. I recommend that everyone read &quot;Trade You Way to Financial Freedom&quot; by Van Tharp. Don&#039;t feel badly if you don&#039;t understand everything in the book when you read it. I didn&#039;t. You should be able to get it at a university business library.

Best of luck with CLL, especially if you&#039;ve &quot;loaded up&quot;. Use stops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m still learning too, especially when it comes to stocks. However, the older I get the less it is a hobby. As someone else said in the forum&#8230;&#8230;.your retirement may be at stake. I&#8217;m comparing CLL to FDG as members of the same broad energy sector. Both supply energy commodities. Certainly, there are major differences in the companies but after I get beyond the sector analysis, a chart is a chart; and in this unfavored sector FDG is the clearly better choice for me. After all, there are lots of stocks. Why bulk up on the wrong ones?</p>
<p>Excellent point about volatility presenting great trading opportunities. Every opportunity is tempered by risk; and effective risk control separates the good from not so good traders/investors. Compare these two stocks on the issue of volatility. Since January FDG has moved from 31.00 to 96.00, a triple. CLL has moved from 2.50 to 5.00, a double. During the past seven months FDG has been the more volatile stock. Typically, higher volatility carries greater risk. However, tools like options can be used to control risk (like the trade that I described above), making what appears to be a more volatile stock less volatile&#8230;&#8230;.and less risky. In comparing CLL with FDG there is only one choice because only FDG is optionable, CLL is not. That&#8217;s just one more reason to choose FDG. With CLL you can only use stops to control risk. </p>
<p>Last but not least is &#8220;position size&#8221;. A &#8220;double&#8221; in CLL from 2.50 is still only 2.50. In order to really make money in raw dollars you have to buy a LOT of the stock. But how much of your total capital can you afford to tie up in CLL in order to experience the joys of a &#8220;ten bagger&#8221; (if we should be so lucky)? And if you tie that much capital up in CLL how much of it do you lose if the price moves from 5.00 back to 2.50? It&#8217;s always 50% regardless of whether it&#8217;s $5,000 or $50,000. That&#8217;s an awful lot to lose on one trade, especially if it&#8217;s a big bet. &#8220;Position size&#8221; is a component of trading/investing that is very little understood, even by professionals. I recommend that everyone read &#8220;Trade You Way to Financial Freedom&#8221; by Van Tharp. Don&#8217;t feel badly if you don&#8217;t understand everything in the book when you read it. I didn&#8217;t. You should be able to get it at a university business library.</p>
<p>Best of luck with CLL, especially if you&#8217;ve &#8220;loaded up&#8221;. Use stops.</p>
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		<title>By: Denby45</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denby45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spreadtrader,


That looks to me like good advice and I guess some of the others might use the technique you have pointed out. Unfortunately I am not a trader of any sort and do not know enough about that game to participate. Maybe one day I will do the necessary to learn more but these days I am just too busy. It is more of a hobby for me although I have done OK so far and after three years still consider myself in a learning curve. Thing is I am not sure we should be comparing CLL to FDG as they don&#039;t seem to me to be similar at all. I do agree however that CLL is today a speculative stock and has done nothing over the last couple of years. However please correct me if I am wrong but I did think that volatility is a traders friend and the ups and downs of a stock like CLL drums up great oportunities for you guys.

Den</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spreadtrader,</p>
<p>That looks to me like good advice and I guess some of the others might use the technique you have pointed out. Unfortunately I am not a trader of any sort and do not know enough about that game to participate. Maybe one day I will do the necessary to learn more but these days I am just too busy. It is more of a hobby for me although I have done OK so far and after three years still consider myself in a learning curve. Thing is I am not sure we should be comparing CLL to FDG as they don&#8217;t seem to me to be similar at all. I do agree however that CLL is today a speculative stock and has done nothing over the last couple of years. However please correct me if I am wrong but I did think that volatility is a traders friend and the ups and downs of a stock like CLL drums up great oportunities for you guys.</p>
<p>Den</p>
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		<title>By: spreadtrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>spreadtrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.........now I&#039;m revved up about FDG as a potential trading vehicle and the comment about how selling premium is risky. Here&#039;s a trade you should do on paper if you have little or no experience reading charts. It&#039;s called a &quot;collar&quot;. Buy FDG (or any optionable stock you REALLY have to own) at 85.00 in 100 share lots. For every 100 you buy, also buy 1 January 2009 75.00 put for about $2.00; and sell 1 January 2010 95.00 call for about $4.00. You should get a credit for this trade that will more than cover your transaction costs. IF the stock corrects downward soon (as I think it may do) you&#039;ll sell the put, buy back the call and make money on both option trades. (The &quot;trick&quot; will be recognizing the bottom, which is why you need to know how to read a chart). Meanwhile, you&#039;re holding a high yielding commodity stock and you can add to the position at a lower price with the profit from the option trades. If the stock takes off and gets called away, you still make money. So yes, there is risk in selling NAKED premium. But you can make good money with little risk if you sell premium correctly. 

Alternatively, don&#039;t sell the call, just buy the put when you buy the stock.....it&#039;s cheap insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;now I&#8217;m revved up about FDG as a potential trading vehicle and the comment about how selling premium is risky. Here&#8217;s a trade you should do on paper if you have little or no experience reading charts. It&#8217;s called a &#8220;collar&#8221;. Buy FDG (or any optionable stock you REALLY have to own) at 85.00 in 100 share lots. For every 100 you buy, also buy 1 January 2009 75.00 put for about $2.00; and sell 1 January 2010 95.00 call for about $4.00. You should get a credit for this trade that will more than cover your transaction costs. IF the stock corrects downward soon (as I think it may do) you&#8217;ll sell the put, buy back the call and make money on both option trades. (The &#8220;trick&#8221; will be recognizing the bottom, which is why you need to know how to read a chart). Meanwhile, you&#8217;re holding a high yielding commodity stock and you can add to the position at a lower price with the profit from the option trades. If the stock takes off and gets called away, you still make money. So yes, there is risk in selling NAKED premium. But you can make good money with little risk if you sell premium correctly. </p>
<p>Alternatively, don&#8217;t sell the call, just buy the put when you buy the stock&#8230;..it&#8217;s cheap insurance.</p>
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