Doc Gumshoe’s Responses to Recent Comments

By Michael Jorrin, "Doc Gumshoe", August 28, 2013

[ed. note: We feature the writings of Doc Gumshoe, our favorite medical writer, every few weeks here at Stock Gumshoe. He is not a doctor, but we value his insight, research, contrariness and skepticism … and, most importantly, his ability to explain complex health issues for our readers. He generates a lot of discussion with his pieces, so today he decided to share some longer responses to a few of the questions and comments that have come up in recent weeks. As always, his words and opinions are his own and we continue to welcome feedback on Doc Gumshoe’s commentaries or on any of our other work.]

My Credentials

Where do I get off expressing my views on current medical knowledge? No, as I’ve said numerous times, I am not an MD, nor yet do I have any academic medical credentials. I have been a medical writer for 30 plus years, and the treatment areas I have done the most work in are: cardiovascular disease, autoimmune diseases (including rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, lupus, etc), diabetes, neurologic disorders (including epilepsy, Parkinson’s disease, and migraine), behavioral disorders, and infectious diseases. I have written or co-authored papers in peer-reviewed professional medical journals, and written entire journal supplements. I have developed many continuing medical education (CME) programs, both for physicians who need CME hours and for other health professionals, such as physician assistants (PAs) and nurse practitioners (NPs). I have created material for many advisory board meetings sponsored by pharmaceutical companies.

I wouldn’t dream of giving specific treatment advice to a patient, other than the advice to consult a competent physician. At the same time, I have confidence in my capacity to read and understand the professional medical literature. I bet I read more journal papers during the course of a year than most physicians. And, by nature I am curious, skeptical (but not cynical!) and, mostly, optimistic. My response to stuff I don’t immediately understand is, think harder!

Resveratrol versus (Moderate!) Alcohol Consumption

Lots of people had comments about this. Some made the point that resveratrol’s potential benefits should not be dismissed; others made the point that the harms of alcohol, especially for women, should not be underestimated. Okay, let it be known that I yield both points!

My main point in that piece was that the benefits of wine drinking – as in the so-called “French Paradox” – could not be attributed to resveratrol. There are two big boulders over which the resveratrol hypothesis stumbles. The first is that, although resveratrol demonstrated benefit in studies in mice, the doses of resveratrol that were used in these studies would translate to immense amounts of wine in humans – somewhere between 60 and 900 liters per day. And the second boulder is that resveratrol has not demonstrated similar benefits in humans – at least, not so far.

On the other hand, the benefits of moderate alcohol consumption have been demonstrated again and again. And these benefits are not limited to red wine. And, on top of that, the actual mechanisms through which alcohol confers these benefits are pretty well known and understood. Of course, the harms of alcohol are also well known, and should not be blithely ignored. Note – the benefits, as well as the harms, are dose-related, and the dose at which alcohol starts doing more harm than good is probably lower for women than for men, because it’s largely based on body size.

As an optimist, I continue to hope that there will be evidence – the emphasis is on the word “evidence” – that resveratrol itself does indeed have some health benefits as a supplement.

To the readers who wanted more about those resveratrol studies, here are the citations:

  1. Gliemann L, Schmidt JF, Olesen J, Biensø RS, Peronard SL, Grandjean SU, Mortensen SP, Nyberg M, Bangsbo J, Pilegaard H, Hellsten Y. Resveratrol Blunts the Positive Effects of Exercise Training on Cardiovascular Health in Aged Men. J Physiol. 2013 Jul 22. [Epub ahead of print]
  2. Poulsen MM, Vestergaard PF, Clasen BF, Radko Y, Christensen LP, Stødkilde-Jørgensen H, Møller N, Jessen N, Pedersen SB, Jørgensen JO. High-dose resveratrol supplementation in obese men: an investigator-initiated, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial of substrate metabolism, insulin sensitivity, and body composition. Diabetes. 2013 Apr;62(4):1186-95. doi: 10.2337/db12-0975. Epub 2012 Nov 28.
  3. Yoshino J, Conte C, Fontana L, Mittendorfer B, Imai S, Schechtman KB, Gu C, Kunz I, Rossi Fanelli F, Patterson BW, Klein S. Resveratrol supplementation does not improve metabolic function in nonobese women with normal glucose tolerance. Cell Metab. 2012 Nov 7;16(5):658-64. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2012.09.015. Epub 2012 Oct 25.

A Short Word About the Health Benefits of Natural Stuff

I am not a denier of the potential benefits of natural supplements. But I am a skeptic, and here’s why:

  • When we learn, through experience, that a certain natural food seems to bring health benefits, we aren’t always sure what particular molecule in that natural food confers the benefit. It can take a long time, and a lot of painstaking research, to pin down the specific health-giving component. In the meantime, we might be better off eating or drinking the food in its natural state.
  • Supplements vary all over the map with regard to the concentration of the key ingredient. It’s very hard to know what you’re getting, and how much of it.
  • Unlike drugs, supplements don’t need to be tested for such important questions as how they’re metabolized, how long they remain in the body, or what concentrations they need to attain to produce any particular effect.

Testimonials about supplements abound. And I have no doubt that the people behind those testimonials are by and large honest. But the fact that Peter testifies that a certain plant extract “cured” his sciatica might only mean that he took the plant extract and after that his sciatica went away. And it doesn’t mean that it would work for Paul.

What I want is evidence, and the best evidence we have is a randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trial. That means that neither Peter nor Paul know which treatment they’re getting, and neither do the folks administering the treatment. If at the conclusion of this trial, the Peter-cohort does “significantly” better than the Paul-cohort, then I begin to believe that there might be something to the treatment, pending further evidence.

A Bit More About Prostate Cancer

Some readers questioned why I should object to the National Cancer Institute’s proposal to rename some cancers with another label in order to avoid scaring people into seeking, or demanding, treatment which in many cases might prove to be unnecessary. My vehement objections are NOT based on indifference to the realities of unnecessary treatment. However, I continue to be skeptical about the possibility of identifying which patients need treatment and which ones do not.

My objections are based on the sheer dishonesty of the proposal. What they’re saying is, “We’ll call it something else so they won’t get scared and demand treatment, and, as we know, a considerable proportion of those patients won’t need treatment, so we’ll save them the pain and suffering, and in the meantime, we’ll save billions to the health-care system.”

The only problem with that is that at the moment, neither the NCI nor anybody else knows for sure which those patients who “won’t need treatment” are, until they either die from other causes or, bad luck, do turn out to need treatment.

In the meantime, prostate cancer will kill nearly 30,000 men in the US this year!

I shouldn’t get too worked up over this, because I genuinely doubt that competent and honest urologists will fall for this. They’ll tell patients, “You have an indolent lesion of epithelial origin. It’s what we used to call prostate cancer.”

What About Finasteride as a Treatment to Prevent Prostate Cancer?

I’m not ready to discuss this in any depth at this point. Finasteride (Proscar), from Merck (MRK) is commonly used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), whose main symptom is to make urination difficult. It’s been known for some time that men who took finasteride had a somewhat lower incidence of prostate cancer, but there was one big problem with prescribing it to prevent prostate cancer. The problem was that men taking finasteride for BPH apparently had a higher incidence of advanced prostate cancers. A recent study seems to mitigate that danger signal – yes, more advanced prostate cancers were found, but there is no evident difference in mortality rates between the men who take finasteride and those who do not. So this suggests that maybe, yes, finasteride might be potential prostate cancer prophylaxis.

There are reasons – always! – to be skeptical, however. One is that the increased incidence of advanced prostate cancers in men who take finasteride may be due to the simple fact that when the prostate gland itself diminishes in size – the reversal of the BPH disease process – it may be easier to detect the tumors. So it’s not that the finasteride cohort actually has more advanced tumors than the non-finasterides, but that they might be more readily diagnosed.

As for the lower incidence of the earlier-stage cancers, finasteride tends to lower the PSA score, so that may be due to a difference in diagnostic sensitivity as well. Fewer men have PSA scores that move them to the next diagnostic level, so they just don’t get diagnosed. Whether that’s a bad thing or a good thing, I’m holding off on voting.

Relative Risk versus Absolute Risk

There have been several comments that touched on this. Without going into detail on any of the specific instances where this came up, the general point is that it can be deceptive to focus too much on those percentage numbers that get reported in the medical journals and then amplified in the media. Those increased relative risk numbers are certainly arithmetically correct. Yes, the difference in relative heart attack risk between women who took HRT and those who did not was 23%, but that only amounted to an additional 7 cases per 10,000 patient years – not much real increase in absolute risk. If my risk of being struck by a meteorite is one in ten million, and it doubles to two in ten million during the Perseids (I have no idea if this is true!), it’s still a tiny risk and not worth staying indoors to avoid, but it’s still a 100% increase in relative risk. On the other hand, if my risk of developing diabetes is about 7% (that’s the prevalence among adults in my state of Connecticut), anything that would double that risk to 14% would be a huge increase in terms of absolute risk, and it would definitely be worth doing whatever I could to avoid that increase. It wouldn’t be the 100% increase in relative risk that would trouble me, but the 7% increase in absolute risk.

Astaxanthin

Many readers pop questions about supplements, and mostly I don’t know much about them, but I welcome the chance to cram more bits of information into my hippocampus. Astaxanthin, it turns out, is a carotenoid found in algae, and it provides the reddish coloration in lots of seafoods – salmon, shrimp, and many others. Like other carotenoids, it is an antioxidant, and it has been studied as a potential antagonist to a number of diseases including cancers and heart disease. There are over a thousand published preclinical studies in astaxanthin, mostly laboratory studies, but some in small animals (fruit flies, mice, hamsters), and some studies that relate to use in humans, such as in human aqueous humour (the stuff inside your eyeballs) and human sperm. So far, no studies in living human beings.
My views on astaxanthin would be much the same as on many other supplements: we might be better off eating the salmon itself, in which case we would also get the benefit of those omega-3 fatty acids.

And Yet More Miracle Cures!

A reader tipped Doc Gumshoe to another highly enticing (or entrapping, depends on how you look at it) inducement to learn about secret miracle cures. This one is from the Health Sciences Institute – a more reputable-sounding name would be hard to dream up. They are touting another book, supposedly revealing secrets from three “cultures” whose populations never succumb to the diseases that plague Western civilizations. Naturally, establishment medicine will go to any lengths to prevent us from learning about these secrets, because if we did, we would not need ever again to avail ourselves of their useless treatments and they would go broke. In fact, establishment medicine has even enlisted the U. S. Government in its conspiracy of silence, such that this miraculous book may be banned! Without acquiring this amazing tome, I cannot comment on these secrets, and I don’t even know how much this book costs, because I didn’t listen to the spiel all the way to the end. But the Health Sciences Institute has published another miraculous book, entitled Underground Cures: The Most Urgent Health Secrets (Edition IV) described below:

Agora Health Books has once again partnered with the brilliant minds at the Health Sciences Institute to bring together 31 “underground” cures from the world’s most advanced health clinics and research labs. These breakthrough alternatives and cutting edge solutions have yet to be discovered by the mainstream or even the alternative medical communities. In fact, these treatments for conditions including Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, heart disease, varicose veins, macular degeneration, libido loss, high blood pressure, diabetes, kidney stones, and irritable bowel syndrome may not reach your neighbors for decades, but these potent secrets for living a healthier and happier life are available to you now in Underground Cures.

If anyone is interested, it’s available used from Amazon for $3.74.

Best to all, Michael Jorrin, (aka Doc Gumshoe)


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41 Comments on " Doc Gumshoe’s Responses to Recent Comments"

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Pete
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August 28, 2013 10:33 am

I went to the Amazon site and checked out the book connected to the link! As MOST miracle cures books ……”HYPE” runs rampant . One reader says about the book ,” I am not knocking the book or the information itself, but it is pretty much useless at this point due to these factors. ” So much for that !

sigfrid muller
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sigfrid muller
August 28, 2013 10:35 am

A very nice discussion. Billions of $$ are spent on worthless stuff touted as wonderful. Could have placebo effect for a while. Steve Jobs found out unfortunately. The prostate cancer discussion was right on. They cut off your balls and turn you into a woman with drugs and they call that great treatment. Give me dendreons product first anyday but they won’t let you. Women wouldn’t put up with that crap.

hblytt
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hblytt
September 3, 2013 10:19 am

Ms Muller. No, they remove your prostate. Which is a significant deletion, and not convenient, but less drastic. And yes, it’s true there seems to be a little relish in the physician’s voice when he says “chemical castration””. But maybe I’m just suggestible. In any case, I’m alive & reasonably well. Which I probably wouldn’t be absent my Urologist and Radiation Oncologist. Thanks, Guys.

hblytt
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hblytt
September 3, 2013 10:22 am

PS. I have now idea what Dendreon is, but I intend to find out. If i don’t like the product i may still buy the stock & tease it for a “pump” play. LOL!

John weissman
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John weissman
August 28, 2013 10:36 am
Thanks for the followups. The biggest problem with supllements, natural supplements, is that they are mostly presented in a vacuum of other, and more important, factors. Once smoking and alcohol–ALL–is stopped, food becomes profoundly important, and BALANCE is the main dynamic in health–homeostasis. Alcohol simulates circulation, but with a net result of blood vessel narrowing–the shit is a pickling agent, after all (and so is salt, sugar, vinegar, etc) Eating heavy fatty protein-laden foods, which demand huge bodily resources to process, completely distorts the usefulness of all but the most powerful supplements–like guarana, ma huang, etc, which are speed, and… Read more »
Aaron Dunn
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Aaron Dunn
August 28, 2013 10:44 am
In response to the Resveratrol. Pterostilbene is very similar to it, but lasts longer and has more benefits. Chromadex (CDXC) did human clinical trials for their products and the benefits of pterostilbene, which is found in blueberries and presented that information to the American Heart Association last year. That may be something you want to look into. They are also looking to start human trials for niagen which is a B vitamin Niacin with no flush that is found in milk. They are one of the few companies out there that are looking for natural supplements, but they push forward… Read more »
dheath
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dheath
August 28, 2013 10:47 am

A recent study reported in the Houston Chronicle indicated that for even simple diagnoses doctors were right only 55% of the time (about even with chance at 50/50), and terribly wrong on the more difficult conditons, but with High Confidence.

A Harvard study of longeivity in Texas found that the people who lived the longest mostly lived along the border – the poorest area and area where only emergency room medicine is used. The US spends more on medicine than any other country, but we live a shorter life; i.e. we are spending more to die sooner!

borsuks
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August 28, 2013 10:48 am
As a now-retired radiologist I have long been infuriated by “experts” who claim doctors are overdiagnosing and overtreating breast cancer. The death rate from breast cancer has been in decline for quite a while, but you would be led to believe by these people that early detection and treatment WHICH HAVE WORKED WELL should be modified so as not to “alarm” women who’s breast cancers will prove to be indolent and do them no harm, i.e. will not affect their lifespan. Though there are cancers that are indolent and individuals who have an immune system that somehow keeps their cancer… Read more »
Gerald Jackson
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Gerald Jackson
August 28, 2013 1:19 pm

Lewis Fulkerson,
would you please email me about your experience with
hydrogen peroxide?
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cowboytech
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cowboytech
August 28, 2013 10:48 am
Well, Doc – personally, I felt the articles (original and reply-followup) are great and right on target. I’m a proponent of natural healthy alternatives, but am not thrilled about all the drugs they want people to take in the name of “Natural Cures”. The one treatment I take on a daily basis is the Food-Grade Hydrogen Peroxide treatment, and I’ve personally had remarkable results with it. I can tell you about it if you’re interested. If a plant of food product has health benefits, I believe the best way to benefit is to eat the source, and not make a… Read more »
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August 28, 2013 11:08 am

As a physician, I found your comments very germane. It is always interesting when bean counters give theories about disease prevalence. For example, the USPSTF recommends not getting PSA tests after certain ages, and/or no surgery at certain PSA levels. That is what they recommend for others, but what do they do for themselves? Once again, “Do as I say, not as I do”.

hblytt
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September 1, 2013 9:39 pm
Dr. SRS: I am afraid my reply is not germane to your comment. But it is relevant to the lives of our readers. There is one form of medical treatment that PREVENTS cancer. Repeat PREVENTS a cancer which kill thousand of Americans every year. That is the colonoscopy, which is performed by Colorectal Surgeons. They remove precancerous lesions called polyps. I am in my late 60’s and am, if I recall correctly, on a once-every-five years colonoscopy schedule. But if the Dr tells me more often, I will cheerfully comply. At my age, I knew people I was fond of… Read more »
Brother Jim
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Brother Jim
August 28, 2013 11:17 am

Another excellent article, Doc – thank you very much for your interesting and informative contributions.

Robert Greenstein (Judge, retired)
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August 28, 2013 11:32 am
Many years ago the government ran proper testing in order to find out if CHELATION THERAPY was a legitimate mode especially in clearing gunk out of the pipes to prevent heart involvements. That test was STOPPED IN MIDSTREAM with absolutely no explanation whatsoever. About three years ago CHELATION THERAPY was again the subject of legitimate, supervised evaluation by the NIH ( and others?) The blind, medically accepted testing HAS BEEN COMPLETED about six months ago, but the findings are not being published…..are you able to find the results and publish them? Perhaps find out when they will release the information?… Read more »
Michael Jorrin,
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Michael Jorrin (aka Doc Gumshoe)
August 28, 2013 11:55 am

Thanks for all the comments – can’t reply in detail since we’re off to Maine for a little vacation. BUT – re chelation – there are about 3500 published papers on the subject, and a paper on chelation and its effects on cardiovascular disease was published in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) in January of this year. I haven’t seen it yet, but will take a look when I get back. Best to all, Michael Jorrin

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boneafide
August 28, 2013 1:31 pm
although being asymptomatic myself, i had about 12 intravenous edta chelation treatments for prevention considering family history of heart problems. it soothed my conscience that i was being proactive, no difference in health was either felt or expected because there were no symptoms to begin with. however, it was invaluable talking to other patients receiving the same treatment. they were all heart patients, several with bypass recommendations from their regular doctors. a number of them had remarkable improvement with chelation and wouldn’t dream of going under the knife now. from this “unscientific experiment”, i certainly wouldn’t wait for results of… Read more »
todd welch
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todd welch
August 29, 2013 4:11 pm
I had 3-D imaging done on my heart, and got my mom’s heart imaged at the same time. I have had high cholesterol since my 20’s, and my heart image was completely clear. I still have to check my carotids (so my wife tells me). My mom, however, had 4 major blockages. It went along with the calcium score, you know, quantitative vs. qualitative. Anyway, her PCP doctor didn’t really flinch, somehow it had to do with soft blockages instead of hard plaques. But she has had her carotids surgically cleared. More and more, the latest news I am hearing… Read more »
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archives2001
August 29, 2013 6:09 pm

” More and more, the latest news I am hearing is that sugar, stress and inflammation are greater enemies than cholesterol”,
And the latest research also discloses what naturopaths and complimentary docs have been stating for years: Sugar is a huge suspect for inflammation as well as stress.

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archives2001
August 29, 2013 6:18 pm

Sugar also contributes to the imbalance of
acid alkaline (homeostasis)

bob13122
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August 28, 2013 11:59 am
What is particularly disturbing here is this statement: “When we learn, through experience, that a certain natural food seems to bring health benefits, we aren’t always sure what particular molecule in that natural food confers the benefit. It can take a long time, and a lot of painstaking research, to pin down the specific health-giving component.” This is the pervasive pharmacological ‘magic bullet’ mindset, hoping to find one key, one switch, to effect a turnaround. The integrative or holistic basis is to look for synergistic enhancements among a spectrum of beneficial constituent compounds in our foodstuffs and supplements. Some may… Read more »
danfin
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danfin
August 28, 2013 12:38 pm

“Resveratrol versus (Moderate!) Alcohol Consumption”

Moderate alcohol consumption is usually seen defined as two drinks a day for males, one drink a day for females. How do medical studies verify the amount of alcohol consumed by those participating in the study? Most any cop will tell you that if he suspects someone of DUI, stops them and asks if they have been drinking, the answer will be something along the lines of, “yeah, just a couple of beers” even when it’s clear that the alleged two beers could not have put them in the condition they are in.

rthewitt
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rthewitt
August 28, 2013 12:45 pm

Anybody have any thoughts on berberine? It’s a strong antibiotic available OTC. The NIH web site hosts a study showing it is more effective for diabetes than the leading prescription drug. There is a lot of interesting research that Wikipedia summarizes under traditional use and experimental uses. Natural Medicine Journal has a pretty good summary too. I keep some on hand just to have an antibiotic readily available. It seems like trying to take it as a supplement would defeat that purpose.

vivian lewis
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August 28, 2013 1:04 pm

I note with interest that Agora Inc., Bill Bonner’s operation out of Baltimore MD, hypes up not only stocks but also medical cures being hidden from the masses by a plot by pharma companies and the gummint (Bill hates the gummint) to keep the cheap and easy nostrums secret forcing people to go to the doctor, take drugs, submit to surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, and other indignities.
So it turns outstock gumshoe and doc gumshoe have parallel targets and sometimes the same publisher. Since most investors are older folks with age-related medical conditions, Bonner’s mailing lists overlap.

Dr Dennis Antoine
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Dr Dennis Antoine
August 28, 2013 3:52 pm
What i find interesting is how writers on subjects will utilize “studies” that discount natural remedies. What rarely, if ever, gets mentioned is the astounding number of life threatening reactions from drugs that were supposedly validated as “safe” by the FDA. By now, many people are aware that the FDA is simply “greased” to get a drug an ok. Take VIOXX for example, over 100 people (reported) DIED from using this drug. Very little news was made of this. Why? Because the drug companies “grease” the media and this kind of truth must be kept out of the news. It’s… Read more »
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August 28, 2013 4:51 pm
The body naturally produces alcohol in the intestinal tract by fermentation of ingested food. Even teetotalers and children have measurable concentrations of ethanol in the bloodstream. This was reported long before me but as a physician professor I have measured it myself. I read that the amount of alcohol an adult produces daily is about the same as in a quart of beer. This implies that gradually drinking the equivalent of another quart of beer per day will be well tolerated. It also implies that drinking that much should have no substantial health benefit. The benefits attributed to drinking a… Read more »
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archives2001
August 29, 2013 6:01 am

Excellent comments Doc, thnx.
I too would like to hear more about current research on chelation.
Also the ingestion of hydrogen peroxide (food grade), which
is quite controversial to say the least.
And one other subject now getting much billing from dentists
is the acid alkaline balance. Would very much like to get
your own comprehensive research on this when u get back
from vacation.

dlaprete
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dlaprete
August 29, 2013 3:05 pm

Did anyone receive the Strategic Tech investor teaser about MEMS. They are going on and on about impanting a chip that monitors certain proteins that are abnormally high before heart attack or stroke. MEMS was recently purchased and they are giving shareholders 4.20 per share. Anyone know it would be beneficial to purchase a company like this?

lostmd
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lostmd
August 30, 2013 10:32 am

Using Doc Gumshoe as your “title” is deceptive and you should change it to Medical Writer Gumshoe or Medical Reporter Gumshoe. You readily admit that you are not a physician. Continuing to use the term Doc in a medical context implies that you are a physician, when you are not. Cease and desist.
I agree with most of your posts and find them to be reasonable, although sometimes controversial, interpretations of available information. Speaking for all the other real physicians, please stop using the term “doc”.
Martha J Brewer MD

archives2001
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archives2001
August 31, 2013 1:02 am

So Martha,
If he had a doctorate (honorary?) in Medical Research would that then be acceptable?
I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he could get one.
Sometimes the ‘ivory tower’ can reach a little too high into the clouds perhaps.

hblytt
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hblytt
August 31, 2013 10:07 am

Dr. Brewer: He calls himself “Doc”. Not physician. There are plenty of other doctors than physicians. The word “Doctor” on your diploma is a Latin word (universities originally conducted their business in Latin) meaning “Teacher”. The doctorate degree, qualifying its holder to teach, was the highest degree given in a discipline.

Ventureshadow
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Ventureshadow
August 31, 2013 11:48 am

Physicians are required to identify themselves in print as Medical Doctor (or M.D.), plain “doctor” is not acceptable. A plain “doctor” could be a chiropractor, lawyer, psychologist, pharmacist, minister, or alien time lord. Ironically, most physicians graduating from medical schools in the U.K. or India receive M.B. degrees (bachelor’s of medicine), so they are true medical physicians but do not have doctor degrees.

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archives2001
August 31, 2013 2:24 am
More on the acid alkaline systemic balance: The Importance of pH in Human Health: Part 2 By Dr. Robert Young Acid Alkaline History The concept of acid/alkaline imbalance as the cause of disease isn’t a new one. One of the first persons who talked about the need to alkalize the body was the great “Sleeping Prophet,” Edgar Cayce. He always referred to body detoxification with herbs, colonics, fasting, massage, steam baths and diet modification with the aim of alkalizing the body. Way back in 1933 Dr. William Howard Hay published a ground-breaking book, A New Health Era, in which he… Read more »
hblytt
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hblytt
August 31, 2013 10:21 am
There ia a term in the metabi0olic community: acid ash foods. It refers to the fact that all metabolism ultimately depends on combustion; the oxidation of the chemical compounds in food to carbon dioxide and water. In humans, nitrogen is converted primarily to urea, to a lesser extent to ammonia, a base (or alkaline compound if you prefer). Carbon dioxide, although an acid, does not acidify your body because it is excreted in the lungs. Sulfur and phosphorus are acid-ash elements because they are metabolized to sulfuric acid and phosphoric acids. Wait. What’s that sound? Snoring! The whole class is… Read more »
hblytt
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hblytt
August 31, 2013 10:23 am

metabolic. oops

archives2001
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archives2001
August 31, 2013 2:23 pm

Hey Mino…
U woke ME up…
thnx!

John Saggese
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John Saggese
September 2, 2013 6:33 pm

It’s the “acid ash” part that’s difficult. It’ easy to tell before it’s consumed if a food or drink is acidic or basic. But just because the food itself is acid or basic doesn’t by itself predict what the pH of the ash, or the products of digestion, will be. Other than checking the pH of urine or saliva, how do you even check tissue pH?
John

archives2001
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archives2001
September 2, 2013 7:32 pm

Yes, John,
Very true; For example, citrus fruits are acidic but they usually metabolize as base.
The five levels of digestion as I understand them are the mouth, stomach, intestinal,
sanguis-interstitial, and cellular.
I don’t really know how much research is underway as to the effects of the acid/base
at each level but suspect medical research has a long ways to go on this.
As far as testing, perhaps the blood, urine, saliva, hair/skin are best in that order.
If anyone is familiar with the best state of art cellular test, I’d also like to know.

Myron Martin
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September 3, 2013 10:37 am
Very interesting discussions and it would take hours and many pages of commentary to dissect them all so I will be brief, (for me) in commenting on what are the most compelling points made by others. The comments I most strongly relate to are as follows; “More recently, in his remarkable book, ‘Alkalize or Die’, Dr. Theodore A. Baroody said essentially the same thing: “The countless names of ill- nesses do not really matter. What does matter is that they all come from the same root cause…too much tissue acid waste in the body!” I have expressed this dis-ease condition… Read more »
david clumpner
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david clumpner
September 3, 2013 6:20 pm

WOW, Excel Comments Myron:
You’ve greatly contributed to this discussion.
Look forward to more of your sage comments!
I’ll look forward to reading your book too.
Do you have any Youtube clips?

Myron Martin
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September 4, 2013 12:02 am

No David I have no youtube clips to offer at this time and when I will ever find time to write a book is a big question mark.

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September 4, 2013 12:47 am

OK Myron,
We’ll settle for a youtube clip then…
Can’t be that hard to hand someone a cell phone
and u don’t have to get all professional about it, OK?

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