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By Michael Jorrin, "Doc Gumshoe", August 28, 2013

[ed. note: We feature the writings of Doc Gumshoe, our favorite medical writer, every few weeks here at Stock Gumshoe. He is not a doctor, but we value his insight, research, contrariness and skepticism … and, most importantly, his ability to explain complex health issues for our readers. He generates a lot of discussion with his pieces, so today he decided to share some longer responses to a few of the questions and comments that have come up in recent weeks. As always, his words and opinions are his own and we continue to welcome feedback on Doc Gumshoe’s commentaries or on any of our other work.]

My Credentials

Where do I get off expressing my views on current medical knowledge? No, as I’ve said numerous times, I am not an MD, nor yet do I have any academic medical credentials. I have been a medical writer for 30 plus years, and the treatment areas I have done the most work in are: cardiovascular disease, autoimmune diseases (including rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, lupus, etc), diabetes, neurologic disorders (including epilepsy, Parkinson’s disease, and migraine), behavioral disorders, and infectious diseases. I have written or co-authored papers in peer-reviewed professional medical journals, and written entire journal supplements. I have developed many continuing medical education (CME) programs, both for physicians who need CME hours and for other health professionals, such as physician assistants (PAs) and nurse practitioners (NPs). I have created material for many advisory board meetings sponsored by pharmaceutical companies.

I wouldn’t dream of giving specific treatment advice to a patient, other than the advice to consult a competent physician. At the same time, I have confidence in my capacity to read and understand the professional medical literature. I bet I read more journal papers during the course of a year than most physicians. And, by nature I am curious, skeptical (but not cynical!) and, mostly, optimistic. My response to stuff I don’t immediately understand is, think harder!

Resveratrol versus (Moderate!) Alcohol Consumption

Lots of people had comments about this. Some made the point that resveratrol’s potential benefits should not be dismissed; others made the point that the harms of alcohol, especially for women, should not be underestimated. Okay, let it be known that I yield both points!

My main point in that piece was that the benefits of wine drinking – as in the so-called “French Paradox” – could not be attributed to resveratrol. There are two big boulders over which the resveratrol hypothesis stumbles. The first is that, although resveratrol demonstrated benefit in studies in mice, the doses of resveratrol that were used in these studies would translate to immense amounts of wine in humans – somewhere between 60 and 900 liters per day. And the second boulder is that resveratrol has not demonstrated similar benefits in humans – at least, not so far.

On the other hand, the benefits of moderate alcohol consumption have been demonstrated again and again. And these benefits are not limited to red wine. And, on top of that, the actual mechanisms through which alcohol confers these benefits are pretty well known and understood. Of course, the harms of alcohol are also well known, and should not be blithely ignored. Note – the benefits, as well as the harms, are dose-related, and the dose at which alcohol starts doing more harm than good is probably lower for women than for men, because it’s largely based on body size.

As an optimist, I continue to hope that there will be evidence – the emphasis is on the word “evidence” – that resveratrol itself does indeed have some health benefits as a supplement.

To the readers who wanted more about those resveratrol studies, here are the citations:

  1. Gliemann L, Schmidt JF, Olesen J, Biensø RS, Peronard SL, Grandjean SU, Mortensen SP, Nyberg M, Bangsbo J, Pilegaard H, Hellsten Y. Resveratrol Blunts the Positive Effects of Exercise Training on Cardiovascular Health in Aged Men. J Physiol. 2013 Jul 22. [Epub ahead of print]
  2. Poulsen MM, Vestergaard PF, Clasen BF, Radko Y, Christensen LP, Stødkilde-Jørgensen H, Møller N, Jessen N, Pedersen SB, Jørgensen JO. High-dose resveratrol supplementation in obese men: an investigator-initiated, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial of substrate metabolism, insulin sensitivity, and body composition. Diabetes. 2013 Apr;62(4):1186-95. doi: 10.2337/db12-0975. Epub 2012 Nov 28.
  3. Yoshino J, Conte C, Fontana L, Mittendorfer B, Imai S, Schechtman KB, Gu C, Kunz I, Rossi Fanelli F, Patterson BW, Klein S. Resveratrol supplementation does not improve metabolic function in nonobese women with normal glucose tolerance. Cell Metab. 2012 Nov 7;16(5):658-64. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2012.09.015. Epub 2012 Oct 25.

A Short Word About the Health Benefits of Natural Stuff

I am not a denier of the potential benefits of natural supplements. But I am a skeptic, and here’s why:

  • When we learn, through experience, that a certain natural food seems to bring health benefits, we aren’t always sure what particular molecule in that natural food confers the benefit. It can take a long time, and a lot of painstaking research, to pin down the specific health-giving component. In the meantime, we might be better off eating or drinking the food in its natural state.
  • Supplements vary all over the map with regard to the concentration of the key ingredient. It’s very hard to know what you’re getting, and how much of it.
  • Unlike drugs, supplements don’t need to be tested for such important questions as how they’re metabolized, how long they remain in the body, or what concentrations they need to attain to produce any particular effect.

Testimonials about supplements abound. And I have no doubt that the people behind those testimonials are by and large honest. But the fact that Peter testifies that a certain plant extract “cured” his sciatica might only mean that he took the plant extract and after that his sciatica went away. And it doesn’t mean that it would work for Paul.

What I want is evidence, and the best evidence we have is a randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trial. That means that neither Peter nor Paul know which treatment they’re getting, and neither do the folks administering the treatment. If at the conclusion of this trial, the Peter-cohort does “significantly” better than the Paul-cohort, then I begin to believe that there might be something to the treatment, pending further evidence.

A Bit More About Prostate Cancer

Some readers questioned why I should object to the National Cancer Institute’s proposal to rename some cancers with another label in order to avoid scaring people into seeking, or demanding, treatment which in many cases might prove to be unnecessary. My vehement objections are NOT based on indifference to the realities of unnecessary treatment. However, I continue to be skeptical about the possibility of identifying which patients need treatment and which ones do not.

My objections are based on the sheer dishonesty of the proposal. What they’re saying is, “We’ll call it something else so they won’t get scared and demand treatment, and, as we know, a considerable proportion of those patients won’t need treatment, so we’ll save them the pain and suffering, and in the meantime, we’ll save billions to the health-care system.”

The only problem with that is that at the moment, neither the NCI nor anybody else knows for sure which those patients who “won’t need treatment” are, until they either die from other causes or, bad luck, do turn out to need treatment.

In the meantime, prostate cancer will kill nearly 30,000 men in the US this year!

I shouldn’t get too worked up over this, because I genuinely doubt that competent and honest urologists will fall for this. They’ll tell patients, “You have an indolent lesion of epithelial origin. It’s what we used to call prostate cancer.”

What About Finasteride as a Treatment to Prevent Prostate Cancer?

I’m not ready to discuss this in any depth at this point. Finasteride (Proscar), from Merck (MRK) is commonly used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), whose main symptom is to make urination difficult. It’s been known for some time that men who took finasteride had a somewhat lower incidence of prostate cancer, but there was one big problem with prescribing it to prevent prostate cancer. The problem was that men taking finasteride for BPH apparently had a higher incidence of advanced prostate cancers. A recent study seems to mitigate that danger signal – yes, more advanced prostate cancers were found, but there is no evident difference in mortality rates between the men who take finasteride and those who do not. So this suggests that maybe, yes, finasteride might be potential prostate cancer prophylaxis.

There are reasons – always! – to be skeptical, however. One is that the increased incidence of advanced prostate cancers in men who take finasteride may be due to the simple fact that when the prostate gland itself diminishes in size – the reversal of the BPH disease process – it may be easier to detect the tumors. So it’s not that the finasteride cohort actually has more advanced tumors than the non-finasterides, but that they might be more readily diagnosed.

As for the lower incidence of the earlier-stage cancers, finasteride tends to lower the PSA score, so that may be due to a difference in diagnostic sensitivity as well. Fewer men have PSA scores that move them to the next diagnostic level, so they just don’t get diagnosed. Whether that’s a bad thing or a good thing, I’m holding off on voting.

Relative Risk versus Absolute Risk

There have been several comments that touched on this. Without going into detail on any of the specific instances where this came up, the general point is that it can be deceptive to focus too much on those percentage numbers that get reported in the medical journals and then amplified in the media. Those increased relative risk numbers are certainly arithmetically correct. Yes, the difference in relative heart attack risk between women who took HRT and those who did not was 23%, but that only amounted to an additional 7 cases per 10,000 patient years – not much real increase in absolute risk. If my risk of being struck by a meteorite is one in ten million, and it doubles to two in ten million during the Perseids (I have no idea if this is true!), it’s still a tiny risk and not worth staying indoors to avoid, but it’s still a 100% increase in relative risk. On the other hand, if my risk of developing diabetes is about 7% (that’s the prevalence among adults in my state of Connecticut), anything that would double that risk to 14% would be a huge increase in terms of absolute risk, and it would definitely be worth doing whatever I could to avoid that increase. It wouldn’t be the 100% increase in relative risk that would trouble me, but the 7% increase in absolute risk.

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Astaxanthin

Many readers pop questions about supplements, and mostly I don’t know much about them, but I welcome the chance to cram more bits of information into my hippocampus. Astaxanthin, it turns out, is a carotenoid found in algae, and it provides the reddish coloration in lots of seafoods – salmon, shrimp, and many others. Like other carotenoids, it is an antioxidant, and it has been studied as a potential antagonist to a number of diseases including cancers and heart disease. There are over a thousand published preclinical studies in astaxanthin, mostly laboratory studies, but some in small animals (fruit flies, mice, hamsters), and some studies that relate to use in humans, such as in human aqueous humour (the stuff inside your eyeballs) and human sperm. So far, no studies in living human beings.
My views on astaxanthin would be much the same as on many other supplements: we might be better off eating the salmon itself, in which case we would also get the benefit of those omega-3 fatty acids.

And Yet More Miracle Cures!

A reader tipped Doc Gumshoe to another highly enticing (or entrapping, depends on how you look at it) inducement to learn about secret miracle cures. This one is from the Health Sciences Institute – a more reputable-sounding name would be hard to dream up. They are touting another book, supposedly revealing secrets from three “cultures” whose populations never succumb to the diseases that plague Western civilizations. Naturally, establishment medicine will go to any lengths to prevent us from learning about these secrets, because if we did, we would not need ever again to avail ourselves of their useless treatments and they would go broke. In fact, establishment medicine has even enlisted the U. S. Government in its conspiracy of silence, such that this miraculous book may be banned! Without acquiring this amazing tome, I cannot comment on these secrets, and I don’t even know how much this book costs, because I didn’t listen to the spiel all the way to the end. But the Health Sciences Institute has published another miraculous book, entitled Underground Cures: The Most Urgent Health Secrets (Edition IV) described below:

Agora Health Books has once again partnered with the brilliant minds at the Health Sciences Institute to bring together 31 “underground” cures from the world’s most advanced health clinics and research labs. These breakthrough alternatives and cutting edge solutions have yet to be discovered by the mainstream or even the alternative medical communities. In fact, these treatments for conditions including Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, heart disease, varicose veins, macular degeneration, libido loss, high blood pressure, diabetes, kidney stones, and irritable bowel syndrome may not reach your neighbors for decades, but these potent secrets for living a healthier and happier life are available to you now in Underground Cures.

If anyone is interested, it’s available used from Amazon for $3.74.

Best to all, Michael Jorrin, (aka Doc Gumshoe)

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archives2001
archives2001
August 31, 2013 2:24 am

More on the acid alkaline systemic balance:
The Importance of pH in Human Health: Part 2

By Dr. Robert Young

Acid Alkaline History

The concept of acid/alkaline imbalance as the cause of disease isn’t a new one.

One of the first persons who talked about the need to alkalize the body was the great “Sleeping Prophet,” Edgar Cayce.

He always referred to body detoxification with herbs, colonics, fasting, massage, steam baths and diet modification with the aim of alkalizing the body.

Way back in 1933 Dr. William Howard Hay published a ground-breaking book, A New Health Era, in which he maintained that all dis-ease is caused by‘auto-intoxification’ (or “self- poisoning”) due to acid accumulation in the body: “Now we depart from health in just the proportion to which we have allowed our alkalis to be dissipated by introduction of acid- forming food in too great amount…

It may seem strange to say that all dis-ease is the same thing, no matter what its myriad modes of expression, but it is verily so.”

More recently, in his remarkable book, ‘Alkalize or Die’, Dr. Theodore A. Baroody said essentially the same thing:

“The countless names of ill- nesses do not really matter. What does matter is that they all come from the same root cause…too much tissue acid waste in the body!”

I have expressed this dis-ease condition in my latest book ‘The pH Miracle” this way; “Those willing to look again, and with clear eyes, will be rewarded with the secrets to permanent health. We can heal ourselves by changing the environment inside our bodies. Potentially harmful invaders, then, will have nowhere to grow and will become harmless.”

Unfortunately, according to Sang Whang, author of Reverse Aging even if we eat the best of organic fruit and vegetables, 97% of our food still consists of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen, which will still be reduced to acidic waste.

He says that it is not what we put into our bodies it is what stays in our bodies as waste that creates our over-acidic condition and what causes us to age prematurely.

Sang Whang says that in terms of acid/alkaline balance, the only difference between ‘good’ food and ‘bad food’ is that ‘good’ food will have less acid waste and more acid neutralizing result.

Your pH balance depends on what is left after metabolism. So we’ll take a look in this article at what foods, lifestyles and supplements contribute to a ‘clean’ house within.

Here our metabolism can operate as it is supposed to instead of acting as a continual janitor in an increasingly overloaded toxic warehouse.

Leftover Acid Waste

Very few if any of us are physically capable of ridding our bodies of all the acids we create from food, stress and our own metabolism. These acid wastes move around the body via the blood and lymphatic system until our overloaded kidneys decide to dump them or us within, as the body struggles to counteract acid-producing foods, acid producing pollution and acid-producing stress. In fact of all acidifying factors, stress is the greatest. It can neutralize and acidify an alkaline diet with one surge of the acidic hormone such as adrenalin.

Long Term Acidity Is Like Rust – Acids Will Rot Your Body

It corrodes our tissue, eating into our 96,000 kilometers of veins and arteries. Left unchecked, it eventually interrupts all cellular activities and functions, from the beating of the heart to the way we think.

As i have mentioned in my research articles and books, acids can be stored in fat. Cholesterol and crystallized uric acid are solidified acids that have been dumped within the body for ‘later’ removal – the ‘later’ that never comes.

Acid Effects

Acid coagulates blood. Blood has major problems flowing around fatty acids.

Capillaries clog up and die. The skin, deprived of life-giving healthy blood, loses elasticity and begins to wrinkle.

Even with a face lift or liposuction, the acid remains and continues its relentless advance. Without a basic acid/alkaline balancing plan, every part of your body works ever harder to maintain health -because every system; all the organs, the lungs, even the skin – are involved in the maintenance of correct alkaline blood pH.

The War Within

Within your body, your organs and cells are totally subservient to your blood. All organs work to keep your blood at a balanced pH, to the point where your body is willing to inflict major damage on organs if they appear to stand in the way of correct blood pH. If blood pH drops from its optimum pH 7.365 down to pH 6.95, you will lapse into a coma and die.

“..we have turned an evolutionary corner ”

That’s why you get such a charge from a can of Cola. Its pH of 2.5 acidity sets alarm bells ringing all over your body.

Alkaline chemical stores that should be used elsewhere are sacrificed to the call of the adrenalin that floods your system.

The ‘high’ you have learned to expect is no different to the high a drug user experiences as his artificial sensory elevation. It is your body screaming”Help”, and you, enjoying the thrill of the fear. It’s “The Real thing”.

It’s not just a can of Cola that causes such effect. (32 glasses of neutral pH water are needed to balance one can of Cola). Most of us already have a running battle.

In summary, over-acidification interferes with life itself leading to virtually all sickness and dis-ease! Finally, it is the build-up of acids that kills us.

When we die, it celebrates by turning the whole body acid, giving birth to antagonistic mirco-organisms to the party!

Dr. Baroody expresses it very well: “Too much acidity in the body is like having too little oil in the car.

It just grinds to a halt one lazy Sunday afternoon. There you are – stuck.

The body does the same thing. It starts creaking to a stop along the byways of life and you find yourself in some kind of discomfort. I watch with great concern as people of all classes and lifestyles suffer from this excess state of tissue acidosis.

He attributes no less than 68 major health conditions to a prior existent acidic inner terrain.

Why Are Westerners So Prone To Obesity?

Is it just food? Of course, the food we eat, its quantity and quality has a large effect on our waist measurement.

But because the body has made a habit of its ‘last chance’ solution (pirating calcium from the bones and teeth) of what to do with excess toxic acid waste, there is another reason we deposit fat.

As Dr. Frassetto discovered, when we are faced with shortage of options due to an acid besieged inner terrain, we dump toxic wastes in fatty deposits as far away from the organs and heart as possible; on the buttocks, the chest, the thighs and the belly.

I have stated for over twenty years that obesity is not a fat problem it is an acid problem. I see all forms of sugar as an acid and as the reason we are so fat, but not as we have been taught. The body has to protect itself from the excess sugar we consume, and so it co-ops fat — to encase it and protect us from it.

“Fat is saving our lives.”
dc Note: But the proper type of fat.

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hblytt
hblytt
August 31, 2013 10:21 am

There ia a term in the metabi0olic community: acid ash foods. It refers to the fact that all metabolism ultimately depends on combustion; the oxidation of the chemical compounds in food to carbon dioxide and water. In humans, nitrogen is converted primarily to urea, to a lesser extent to ammonia, a base (or alkaline compound if you prefer). Carbon dioxide, although an acid, does not acidify your body because it is excreted in the lungs. Sulfur and phosphorus are acid-ash elements because they are metabolized to sulfuric acid and phosphoric acids. Wait. What’s that sound? Snoring! The whole class is asleep! Again!

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hblytt
hblytt
August 31, 2013 10:23 am

metabolic. oops

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archives2001
archives2001
August 31, 2013 2:23 pm
Reply to  hblytt

Hey Mino…
U woke ME up…
thnx!

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John Saggese
John Saggese
September 2, 2013 6:33 pm

It’s the “acid ash” part that’s difficult. It’ easy to tell before it’s consumed if a food or drink is acidic or basic. But just because the food itself is acid or basic doesn’t by itself predict what the pH of the ash, or the products of digestion, will be. Other than checking the pH of urine or saliva, how do you even check tissue pH?
John

archives2001
archives2001
September 2, 2013 7:32 pm
Reply to  John Saggese

Yes, John,
Very true; For example, citrus fruits are acidic but they usually metabolize as base.
The five levels of digestion as I understand them are the mouth, stomach, intestinal,
sanguis-interstitial, and cellular.
I don’t really know how much research is underway as to the effects of the acid/base
at each level but suspect medical research has a long ways to go on this.
As far as testing, perhaps the blood, urine, saliva, hair/skin are best in that order.
If anyone is familiar with the best state of art cellular test, I’d also like to know.

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takeprofits
Irregular
September 3, 2013 10:37 am

Very interesting discussions and it would take hours and many pages of commentary to dissect them all so I will be brief, (for me) in commenting on what are the most compelling points made by others. The comments I most strongly relate to are as follows; “More recently, in his remarkable book, ‘Alkalize or Die’, Dr. Theodore A. Baroody said essentially the same thing: “The countless names of ill- nesses do not really matter. What does matter is that they all come from the same root cause…too much tissue acid waste in the body!”
I have expressed this dis-ease condition in my latest book ‘The pH Miracle” this way; “Those willing to look again, and with clear eyes, will be rewarded with the secrets to permanent health. We can heal ourselves by changing the environment inside our bodies. Potentially harmful invaders, then, will have nowhere to grow and will become harmless.”

HOW TRUE! All dis-ease as the name implies has a common origin. The Creator gave us bodies DESIGNED to heal themselves with natural filters like the liver and kidneys, spleen, lymph system, tonsils etc. to remove the unavoidable ingestion of some things in our increasingly toxic environment. But what do we do when an organ becomes dis-eased, we either cut it out and discard it, or build another multi billion industry “transplanting” organs from people who have abused their bodies less.

The above well exposes the medical fallacy of “germs” being the CAUSE of disease just because they are found to be present when certain symptoms of dis-ease are found.
As I have stated previously, germs, bacteria, viruses, mold’s etc. are simply natures natural response to GARBAGE that may express itself as a fever, a boil or pimple, plaque in arteries, swelling, inflammation and myriads of other conditions that the medical profession is unable to treat unless they FIRST have a NAME for the manifested condition and a double blind studied chemical poison shown to be at least minimally effective in SUPPRESSING the various symptoms of that specific condition. Human nature is so transparent. PAIN of any kind is a warning that something is wrong, but does the average person seek to determine what might be the CAUSE of the pain and what “lifestyle changes” would alleviate the pain? NO, they just want relief and go to the doctor for that “magic pill” that will temporarily suppress the pain signal but never gets to the root cause. Many medical doctors know this but are trapped in the system, they well know that trying to EDUCATE people to sensible diet and exercise would fall on deaf ears and they would simply lose business to colleagues who would accommodate the desire for a “quick fix” that solves nothing permanently.

This one also struck a strong cord: “That’s why you get such a charge from a can of Cola. Its pH of 2.5 acidity sets alarm bells ringing all over your body. Alkaline chemical stores that should be used elsewhere are sacrificed to the call of the adrenalin that floods your system.
The ‘high’ you have learned to expect is no different to the high a drug user experiences as his artificial sensory elevation. It is your body screaming”Help”, and you, enjoying the thrill of the fear. It’s “The Real thing”.
YES, clever advertising sells a lot of product that really in the interests of good health should not even be on the market. I personally have never bought even a single bottle of a “cola” product because I would never insult my body by drinking such a vile concoction that is capable of dissolving a rusty nail, it is simply unfit for human consumption. I wouldn’t drink any of that stuff if they gave me a lifetime supply for free! But why pick on “cola” when there are literally thousands of products in the super markets about which the same could be said. If you try to live on preserved & fractionated foods out of cans, boxes and bottles then your lifestyle WILL be sure to produce dis-ease.

Good health is not an accident, it is EARNED by a sensible lifestyle dedicated to getting the highest possible percentage of FRESH natural foods and avoiding all forms of chemical adulteration including artificial colours, flavours, preservatives, chlorine & fluoride, (BOTH insidious poisons) or anything that can be labelled “foodless foods” i.e. processed foods that provide more calories than vitamins and minerals. Any food that needs to be “fortified” with chemical, laboratory derived artificial vitamins is a dead giveaway that it does not deserve the label of “FOOD” which by implication means “something that nourishes the body” i.e. BUILDS healthy cells and tissues, not just provides calories.
But why go on, I am either “preaching to the choir” (people already convinced by research and study). OR in percentage terms, making enemies with people who profit in some way from the destructive, SICK, brainwashed society that has been built over the last 100 years.
To end on a positive note, I recall in all the reams of material seeing the word “fasting” at least once, and speaking from experience, one week of fasting every year of your adult life will have more positive effects on your health than all the poisonous drugs in your local pharmacy. If you are suffering from an already toxic overload the body can not CLEANSE itself as it is designed to do UNLESS you give it a REST. It is a complete fallacy that you will start to starve if you stop eating, and believe it or not, after 3 days of nothing but pure spring water you will not be hungry and true hunger will not return for at least 30, maybe even 40 days. Of course there will be an “empty” feeling, but the idea that you will become ravenously hungry is false, in fact while there may be a certain level of perceived weakness you will after that initial difficult 3 days feel so much better you will actually not want to break your fast. When the body is no longer using its energy to digest and dispose of 3 meals a day, in a fasting mode that ensues, it will start to “houseclean” and no matter what fancy name your doctor may give your “condition” symptoms will disappear and you will feel much better once your body has disposed of its toxic load.
WARNING: Some medical conditions are contra-indicated (diabetes for example) for using this technique, unless under strict supervision by experienced doctors whether medical or naturopaths or other professionals with experience with this approach.
Someday I will have to write a book, unfortunately now out of print, (but check used bookstores to pick up a copy) the one that impressed me the most is by Dr, Mendelsohn titled; “Confessions of a Medical Heretic” pure gold for your healthy education.

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david clumpner
david clumpner
September 3, 2013 6:20 pm
Reply to  takeprofits

WOW, Excel Comments Myron:
You’ve greatly contributed to this discussion.
Look forward to more of your sage comments!
I’ll look forward to reading your book too.
Do you have any Youtube clips?

takeprofits
Irregular
September 4, 2013 12:02 am

No David I have no youtube clips to offer at this time and when I will ever find time to write a book is a big question mark.

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archives2001
archives2001
September 4, 2013 12:47 am
Reply to  takeprofits

OK Myron,
We’ll settle for a youtube clip then…
Can’t be that hard to hand someone a cell phone
and u don’t have to get all professional about it, OK?

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