By email@example.com, February 13, 2014
Sun Gas Do you havae any ideas about ”sun gas”?
I also would like to know what sun-gas is all about.
PLEASE SEND ME THE INFO TO BUY STOCK IN SUN GAS COMPANY ~ ASAP . IN A WEEK OR 2 IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO MAKE A PROFIT .
Is Sun Gas a scam??
Please follow up on Sun Gas on how and where to invest in Sun Gas
HOW TO INVEST IN SUN GAS?
what is the stock symble?
It is not a scam, but they are creating a hype to make money from investors. It’s not new that one can create electrolysis by separating in water hydrogen from oxygen. This is made by applying an electrical current, and can be done with solar panels, but once you have the hydrogen released, you have to store it. To make compressed liquid hydrogen takes a lot of energy and this is what they are not telling us. It cannot be as cost effective and efficient as what mother nature has been doing for millions of years.
Correct, all though hydrogen is the most abundant by weight atom in the universe, constituting 90+% of totality, it cannot be shipped around like water…so the fuel cell. with minimal fuel requirements is the favored energy source and the breakdown of biomass into H in the vehicle, is the best solution to the transportation dilemma.
We are close to being able to throw table scraps and garden clippings into the Mercedes, and drive away…
heres some other website describing sun gas and who’s making it and http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/business/energy-environment/new-solar-process-gets-more-out-of-natural-gas.html?_r=0
Spwr is the ticker symbol for sunpower corp, their quarterly report comes out wed and they have surpassed the last three estimates.
Add me to the list of people wanting to know more about Sun-Gas.
I also would like the name of the sun-gas company with the patents
would like the name of a company that produces sun gas and has the patent
All these questions, where are the answers?
I also would like the name of the sun-gas company with the patents
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS COMPANY, IF IT EXISTS
did you ever gat a company name? ticker?
I am a subscriber and would like to know the name of the company please
You might be thinking about “SYNGAS” from W2 Energy. I’m just looking at it now BUT it’s pps right now is .0006 but there seems to be a lot of volume (I think), last I looked over 10 million on Friday under symbol WTWO. (W2energy.com)
UNDERSTAND, I am a new investor with VERY LITTLE experience and am still trying to learn, so I could be WAY off.
If I’m stupid PLEASE let me know, I can only stand so much of looking like a dummy!
Here is the name of one who is promoting it heavy.
James Di Georgia
Plus link: http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/GRH/0123/v/?ccode=&em=&sc=DABB&ec=5898101
It sounds too good to be true, but I hope it is true….
Seems I was way off… But I did warn everyone that I’m very… VERY new to investing.
But $tock Gumshoe is a HUGE help!
You do not look, act, or post like someone who is stupid….. inquiring minds are wonderful !!! That is what will straighten out our world if we can just get enough of them.
I have found some more sites promoting Sun-Gas……..
Keep up your good work SL>
Smells like the ol’ pump and dump. 25 million shares turnover at .0013 on 3.21.14. Market cap of only $237,000.
What’s the name of the broker that sold 25 million shares to the public?
Don’t click on the link unless you want a capture pop-up that tries to keep you on the site.
You are now probably on the list for sale of potential investors.
choi for now
Yeah, you’re stupid. Not really, just ignorant. Use google.com to learn about sun gas, liquid hydrogen made from the sun.
So, is this “Sun Gas” real?
Sun Gas could be the future of gasoline from solar, natural gas and hydrogen. NRG and SPWR are the two main stocks.
What is the name of the company that will have Sun Gas?
Same here; looking to see if “Sun Gas” is real or a twist of words on some other product. These financial newsletter guys can be very tricky. All they really want is for you to pay them $50 for their newsletter.
And they tax your patience by forcing you to listen through a half-hour (or greater) presentation which turns out to be a tease for a newsletter subscription.
Instead of listening/watching the video, hit the red X in the right corner to close it. A box pops up; click on “stay on this page,” and a transcript comes us. Skim down to the bottom to see if there is any actual information in it. Much faster that way. 🙂
Pam, I cannot find a red x anhwhere? Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong? Thanks, Bud
The x refers to closing the tab/page. Most of them will offer you a stay/leave page option.
If you choose stay, you’ll get the text of the annoying video where you can skip all the crap and see if there’s any actual information.
You can also just run to the bottom to see the exorbitant price of the newsletter they’re pushing.
I think everyone already does this .ive been for years now
I have been following this for several years being in the alternative enegy industry, so the company is Liquid Lightning, but I don’t think they are public yet, but do have several patents involving sun gas conversion, so maybe they are about to go public.
I also get the teaser emails that link to a very long video sales pitch for a newsletter. But I don’t sit there for 20 minutes watching them any more. I found that if you click on the upper right X to close the video, most email programs will ask you iof you want to stay on the page. If you click that option, the video will close and leave you with the written transcript of the sales pitch. Then you can scroll to the end and see what it’ll cost you.
Yes, Darrell, I’ve learned that too. Once I see the video come on and it doesn’t have a time counter or a way to pause/stop button, I click on the X. It comes up with the leave/stay option and then I read what I want and when I’m fed up, go to the bottom to see how much this FREE deal is going to cost me…
Checked out SPWR and NRG, seems they are the leaders in Green Energy production on a large scale…
I too listened to this so called “Guru” for about 15 minutes then finally had to let it go. Nothing more than a sales pitch to buy his book…
I get better insight coming to this website and reading the blog.. very good stuff here.
Regarding Sun-Gas, here is the information I received today from “Daily Trade Alert.”
It’s a video that explains everything:
I would like to know more on this stuff. Please add me to the list.
Add myself to the list. I could use a boost to my retirement account.
James, buy GOLD by the gram. Treat it as though you were buying US Bonds with each paycheck. In five years gold will be between $7K-$9K/ troy oz. It is no joke, the US Treasury already knows this. China is stockpiling gold to offset their loses on our debt.
Add me to your list
I would like to get more information on sun-gas also !
Here is a URL that outlines the research to convert solar to gas. Still in the testing phase.
Here is another URL specific to research on solar to liquid fuel conversion.
I’ve seen these newsletters for years, and there’s one thing you can count one. Anything that is a long shot will lose you everything. Long shots are always someone saying they found the “little-known” company who has a lock on some new technology that is a world-changer. They play on your hopes and dreams and sucker you. The sun-gas says it needs high temperatures (3000), carbon monoxide, and hydrogen. The real red alert here is the need for hydrogen. Why do you think the new hydrogen economy never worked? HYDROGEN IS NOT AN ENERGY SOURCE. IT IS AN ENERGY MEDIUM. Unless you can extract pure hydrogen or somehow “mine” it, then it must be produced by something else that requires energy to produce it. And all know processes require more energy to produce it than it gives up in burning it or in a fuel cell. The only exception to this would be a cheap, unlimited source where you don’t care about the losses. Nuclear fission could possibly be used for this through the heat itself or through electrolysis. Solar power is too dispersed to just throw away most of the captured energy from heat or electricity. It takes too much land area to justify the cost of wasting so much as needed for electrolysis or getting the heat necessary through mirrors. So anyone who promises to use hydrogen, I ask, “where do you get the hydrogen?”
Wonderful reply. You stated the how’s, why, can’s, ifs, an can’ts, information that I am not in the know about and you have put it in layman or ladies terms.
I do remember the chatter about using hydrogen cells for automobiles. But that didn’t happen, that I know of.
I thank you for a great post.
Hydrogen is the most abumdant element, the oceans have enough hydrogen to power the world, it is just a matter of extration that stands in the way. Hydrogen is a very unique element, one which has tremendous potential, but without oxygen, it is thought to be near useless. But that is where they are wrong, hydrogen in a vacuum is an entirely different scenario as I have learned during research into hydrogen power.
As to Sun Gas, it is a plausible solution, although still more expensive to extract, but when you break it down to molecular level, now we need very little hydrogen to produce power, so I know this new method of combining hydrogen with other elements is near which is the holy grail of low cost energy, so time will tell.
” it is just a matter of extration that stands in the way.”
Yes, that is exactly the problem: the cost of “extraction” (pulling H away from oxygen) exceeds the energy that would be contained in the “extracted” hydrogen. Not so useful.
Off griders have been diverting some solar elec to split water and store the hydrogen in tanks for night time use to product elec with a cell. The rest of the solar elec is used directly during the day.
Matt;I agree & even if you have the hydrogen how do you store & transport it. It is low density fuel but very dangerously explosive. Small molecule is difficult to prevent leaks.
What happens if car fills with colorless odorless gas & spark occurs? What happens in collisions? Much engineering necessary before practical.
it is now getting clearer every day that fracking is not behaving like traditional wells. the life span is so short that gas frackers now speak of a decline in production in 7 years. The overall reserves ay not last 20 years.
The move s to keep on pushing for natgas, then replace it with hydrogen.
Where will it come from? improved boilers from power plants. The last nuclear plant built i the US is not under any radar. This brand new plant has boilers reaching 600celsius. At that temperature, ordinary alloys leak. But also.at that temperature, you can use a simple chemica reaction with iodine producing hyrogen.
The pipeines dedicated to natgas will move hydrogen. Thanks to the duality of their production, power or hydrogen, base load power plants will be able to match the requirements in electricity.
All that sun power blab is another errance. We had wind, solar, sea currents, waste, tree leaves, and oher Gory things. That does generate electricity. Not much, and at a high cost. Nothing will replace big plants. Coal or nuke, it is not the point. We need a lot of juice. Only these two fuels can save us. Keep focused, ignore the disturbances and noise on alternative energy and climate change. Leave this to show business. keep coal and nuke, push for fusion. We are late.
I spent almost two decades working in a state-of-the-art (natural gas fired) co-generation power plant and heating complex and also operated chilling stations. Needless to say, I view the claims of new technology fuels with a rather jaundiced eye. However, I must say I’m in disagreement with Francois with the potential viability of alternative fuels, especially for non-motive power generation. The secret to alternatives like solar is distributed generation, where every commercial and residential building has solar panels on the roof and, perhaps the windows. The problem with our energy usage is that we build centralized power plants that require large transmission equipment that is expensive to build and requires right-of-way easements. Germany fulfills 85% of its energy needs using solar, and it’s at a much more northern latitude that is the USA. As for your scorn for the anthropogenic effects on the rate of global warming, you must ignore accepted science to maintain that attitude. If, for instance, you want to ignore the temperature changes, at least consider how much carbon we’re packing into the atmosphere. As CO2 collects in the oceans, it increases their acidity and warmth. Eventually, they’ll reach a tipping point where the frozen methane hydrates begin to melt and rise to the atmosphere, they will rapidly increase the rate of global warming. As far as developing the alternatives, consider that no enterprise is more heavily subsidized than is the fossil fuel industry. Were alternatives subsidized at a similar rate to the 19th century-era fossil fuels, we would arrive at more efficient economies of scale that would quickly surpass fossil fuels. Nuclear? That’s Armageddon just waiting to happen. Can you say Fukishima? Chernobyl? Three Mile Island? We still have enough fossil fuel in the ground to turn the Earth into a Bakelite oven, and, if we continue to use the fossil fuels, the next two, maybe three, generations will be cursing the Boomer Generation with their dying breaths.
Sorry buddy the earth doesn’t care about us. You probably live in an area of local pollution. You really should get out more. Take a trip to Alaska or the Yukon. You will be amazed how small we really are. Read “The Earth Doesn’t Care”.
I’m still trying to figure out the reaction: carbon monoxide, water, hydrogen, and concentrated sunlight (photons) leading to natural gas. Let’s say it’s methane (CH4). Then we’re looking at: CO + H2O +2H + photons -> CH4 + O2, that is, methane and ordinary (diatomic) oxygen. (Count the C, H, and O on both sides.) Sounds promising.
But, not being a chemist, I don’t know what temperatures are needed to reach decent rates. Someone quoted 3000 degrees; hence, the focused solar light.
And, of course, as a number of people have pointed out, where does the hydrogen come from? This is a red flag.
WE ARE CLOSE to having bacterial breakdown of biomass into Hydrogen without high energy requirements…the first 85Kwt electric plant running on biogas (almost pure Hydrogen) should be up and running very soon…I am aware of two teams working on this idea now, and there is a lot of research going on throughout the world. As soon as we have cheap pure Hydrogen, produced in the vehicle, we will have the Hydrogen fuel cell that we have been promised since the middle of the last century…”Big Oil” doesn’t like that because Hydrogen gas cannot be shipped in conventional pipelines or stored in steel tanks, like liquid fuel…If they want to try doing it, it will take 4″ of stainless steel to keep it in the pipe…so that would be good for USS…a more likely scenario is small biorefinaries in the home, which will be good for high density biomass producers, grasses can be chopped and compressed for shipping to local distributors, and used as the basis for bacterial hydrogen…and someday soon, you will be able to put your food waste and garden clippings into the Mercedes, and drive away…
My answer is “bacterial hydrogen” the use of bacteria to breakdown any Carbon based material directly into hydrogen gas…we are on the brink of accomplishing this…check out the work being done at Virginia Tech by DR. “Percival”Zhang…he is using a complex “enzyme cascade” process without energy input, to produce pure Hydrogen gas. A similar project from Anaerobe Systems in San Jose, is putting a bio gas generator on line at a food processing plant to offset it’s $100,000/mth electricity bill with it’s waste material right now.
It may be soon that you will be able to put your lawn clippings and food scraps into your own Bio refinery, and run your home and transport pod with the hydrogen fuel cell that we have been promised for over 100 years….the big problem for now is lack of R&D funding, and resistance from vested interests…the same old culprits, Exxon, Peabody, Chevron, and their strangle hold on Finance, food, and government, which keep “proving” that decentralized power is not “realistic” if you can’t funnel thew profits to the top…
I’m afraid hydrogen will turn out to be a huge bust. Burning hydrogen combines H+O2 and turns it into water vapor. Water vapor is the most potent greenhouse gas on the planet, orders of magnitude higher than CO2.
Any program that burns hydrogen will be doomed immediately when water vapor levels start increasing.
Water vapor is just WATER, It depends on the dew point temperature whether it’s gas or liquid.
He lost me when he said he was a “wonder kind” ( with a “w” instead of “v”, and long “i” ). Holy S**t, doesn’t the guy even know how to pronounce his grandness?
He was too busy (at the age of 13) making his first million trading gold to worry about literacy.
I just looked at the sun-gas story promoted by a newsletter.
How to get a liquid carburant remains University research. It does not look cheap to me.
But the German have already displayed few compressed gas stations. The gas is made out from manure, organic waste though the filling stations are called “sungas”.
The German have a strange sun with a lot of smell, or they try and get intelligent.
I am nor a full specialist, but when I see the nature of the process described by the University, we will need a lot of CO2 capture funds to develop the process.
To me it is a dead end.
Another approach is the one from HYGS. It is working industrially, at a very small scale somewhere in north Europe, Norway or something. It is not cheap. CO2 capture money is needed. HYGS stock price is rocketing in the meantime, as the concept titillates the dreams of “save-the-world” funny guys. Serious guys, like DOW or GE are not in it. That gives me the answer: It is not practical, with no chance to make a turn-around. Keep it for Gore and co.
In the meantime, you may still make some bucks on HYGS, momentum oblige. It is only a momentum thing.
All this is encouraging – we find new ways to get rid of CO2, since we keep on destroying the forests and reproducing ourselves like rats.
We need unlimited free energy to replace this natural cycle to absorb our waste. Better find it quickly. we are running out of space and time.
Thorium the future? Not on your life! True the wastes from a Thorium reacter would have half lives measured in hundreds of years as opposed to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years for conventional and breeder reactors but would you want one anywhere near your town? I once posed that question to one bonehead on another forum and he said certainly he would be pleased to have such a repository near him. This was a Yahoo business message board and idiots are a dime a dozen on a lot of them. Smetimes NIMBY is good, in fact it often is.
my recollection from many years ago working on a thorium breeder reactor design was that it produced plutonium…not a weapons variety, but nonetheless, nasty stuff. Now, if the technology was in place to handle it, you could parlay the next material into another reactor design and have electricity for eons. But of course, since we torpedoed nuclear power in the late 70’s courtesy of Mr. Peanut, we have lost over 40 years of development making these systems better. In the near term, nuclear power will be expensive, but with a long term vision, it is probably the best answer to the world’s energy needs.
Lithium is the source of energy used in the tokamak. That machine starts to work, and worries quite few people. Result: no more funding, no media support, it’s “fracking'” disgusting.
The Russian have a good flair to find the cheapest shortcut to achieve fusion or to produce hydrogen from iodine at 600 degrees celsius.
Who the hellon earth would want to play with thorium? You must use my oil, it has worse effects than anything else, including thorium. But I make so much money with it…
Live and let die.
To confuse evrybody, just promote, via some green guys duly paid off, wind energy, tide energy, solar energy, all things that we know wont work. TWith their guidance, nobody will look at the fundamentals of base load production through fusion or hydrogen mass production. My oil is safe.
Frack frack frack.
Francois; I think you are correct about momentum. As to CO2 it is miniscule effect compared to water vapor & seems to still be below optimum for plant growth. Global warming in my view is mostly solar cycle effect & as tree line advances north think how much CO2 will be needed for new forests. If we had abundant nuclear power we could irrigate deserts & grow trees. Thorium reactors are likely in future without problems of uranium & in huge supply.
But , does anyone know the name/symbol of the specific company DiGeorgio is teasing?? This seems to be the secret of the century. Travis, help us out here.