Sun Gas

By xiexgp@gmail.com, February 13, 2014

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Sun Gas Do you havae any ideas about ”sun gas”?

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alex
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alex
February 15, 2014 9:46 am

I also would like to know what sun-gas is all about.

CARL TAPP
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CARL TAPP
March 29, 2014 6:30 pm

PLEASE SEND ME THE INFO TO BUY STOCK IN SUN GAS COMPANY ~ ASAP . IN A WEEK OR 2 IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO MAKE A PROFIT .

richard palmer
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richard palmer
March 30, 2014 4:15 pm

Is Sun Gas a scam??

Clark Gordon
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Clark Gordon
March 31, 2014 10:15 pm

Please follow up on Sun Gas on how and where to invest in Sun Gas

DANNY sULLIVAN
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April 7, 2014 11:23 am

HOW TO INVEST IN SUN GAS?

Joe
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Joe
April 8, 2014 7:48 am

HOW TO INVEST IN SUN GAS?

Fitzhugh Powell
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Fitzhugh Powell
June 9, 2014 2:57 pm

what is the stock symble?

Daniel Brillant
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Daniel Brillant
November 25, 2014 9:43 am

It is not a scam, but they are creating a hype to make money from investors. It’s not new that one can create electrolysis by separating in water hydrogen from oxygen. This is made by applying an electrical current, and can be done with solar panels, but once you have the hydrogen released, you have to store it. To make compressed liquid hydrogen takes a lot of energy and this is what they are not telling us. It cannot be as cost effective and efficient as what mother nature has been doing for millions of years.

Robin Steel
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Robin Steel
November 26, 2014 1:23 am

Correct, all though hydrogen is the most abundant by weight atom in the universe, constituting 90+% of totality, it cannot be shipped around like water…so the fuel cell. with minimal fuel requirements is the favored energy source and the breakdown of biomass into H in the vehicle, is the best solution to the transportation dilemma.
We are close to being able to throw table scraps and garden clippings into the Mercedes, and drive away…

justin
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justin
July 27, 2014 9:32 am

Spwr is the ticker symbol for sunpower corp, their quarterly report comes out wed and they have surpassed the last three estimates.

derrikmo
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February 15, 2014 10:14 am

Add me to the list of people wanting to know more about Sun-Gas.

AL DEVEREAUX
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AL DEVEREAUX
March 2, 2014 5:51 pm

I also would like the name of the sun-gas company with the patents
AL

orlando spano
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orlando spano
April 1, 2014 8:18 am

would like the name of a company that produces sun gas and has the patent

Joe
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Joe
April 22, 2014 5:48 pm

All these questions, where are the answers?

Joe
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Joe
April 8, 2014 7:49 am

I also would like the name of the sun-gas company with the patents
Joe

HAROLD GAER
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February 15, 2014 11:20 am

WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS COMPANY, IF IT EXISTS

joan627
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joan627
March 30, 2014 12:41 pm

did you ever gat a company name? ticker?

Lynn Brown
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Lynn Brown
June 13, 2014 8:55 pm

I am a subscriber and would like to know the name of the company please

learning35
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learning35
February 15, 2014 1:17 pm

You might be thinking about “SYNGAS” from W2 Energy. I’m just looking at it now BUT it’s pps right now is .0006 but there seems to be a lot of volume (I think), last I looked over 10 million on Friday under symbol WTWO. (W2energy.com)
UNDERSTAND, I am a new investor with VERY LITTLE experience and am still trying to learn, so I could be WAY off.
If I’m stupid PLEASE let me know, I can only stand so much of looking like a dummy!
Cheers,
SL

eqpr
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eqpr
February 15, 2014 2:18 pm

Here is the name of one who is promoting it heavy.
James Di Georgia
Plus link: http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/GRH/0123/v/?ccode=&em=&sc=DABB&ec=5898101
It sounds too good to be true, but I hope it is true….

learning35
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learning35
February 18, 2014 1:53 pm

Seems I was way off… But I did warn everyone that I’m very… VERY new to investing.
But $tock Gumshoe is a HUGE help!

Thanks! Ethel!.
SL

Ethel Quiram
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Ethel Quiram
February 18, 2014 6:10 pm

SL:
You do not look, act, or post like someone who is stupid….. inquiring minds are wonderful !!! That is what will straighten out our world if we can just get enough of them.
I have found some more sites promoting Sun-Gas……..
Keep up your good work SL>
EQ

david
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david
March 22, 2014 7:41 pm

Smells like the ol’ pump and dump. 25 million shares turnover at .0013 on 3.21.14. Market cap of only $237,000.

Bud Walker
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Bud Walker
April 11, 2014 5:54 pm

What’s the name of the broker that sold 25 million shares to the public?

Thanks

larry
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larry
April 11, 2014 8:23 pm

Don’t click on the link unless you want a capture pop-up that tries to keep you on the site.
You are now probably on the list for sale of potential investors.
choi for now

Doc George
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Doc George
June 3, 2014 10:03 am

Yeah, you’re stupid. Not really, just ignorant. Use google.com to learn about sun gas, liquid hydrogen made from the sun.

dudy
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dudy
February 16, 2014 1:48 pm

So, is this “Sun Gas” real?

d rowe
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d rowe
February 18, 2014 1:20 pm

Sun Gas could be the future of gasoline from solar, natural gas and hydrogen. NRG and SPWR are the two main stocks.

jlb80
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jlb80
February 18, 2014 8:28 pm

What is the name of the company that will have Sun Gas?

Jason in Denver
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Jason in Denver
February 23, 2014 10:35 am

Same here; looking to see if “Sun Gas” is real or a twist of words on some other product. These financial newsletter guys can be very tricky. All they really want is for you to pay them $50 for their newsletter.

richbgary
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richbgary
February 23, 2014 3:09 pm

And they tax your patience by forcing you to listen through a half-hour (or greater) presentation which turns out to be a tease for a newsletter subscription.

pamlar
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April 14, 2014 9:20 pm

Instead of listening/watching the video, hit the red X in the right corner to close it. A box pops up; click on “stay on this page,” and a transcript comes us. Skim down to the bottom to see if there is any actual information in it. Much faster that way. 🙂

Bud Walker
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Bud Walker
April 15, 2014 11:18 am

Pam, I cannot find a red x anhwhere? Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong? Thanks, Bud

Bill
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Bill
May 19, 2014 7:29 pm

The x refers to closing the tab/page. Most of them will offer you a stay/leave page option.
If you choose stay, you’ll get the text of the annoying video where you can skip all the crap and see if there’s any actual information.
You can also just run to the bottom to see the exorbitant price of the newsletter they’re pushing.

gary
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gary
June 26, 2014 3:12 pm

I think everyone already does this .ive been for years now

Mike
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February 23, 2014 7:04 pm

I have been following this for several years being in the alternative enegy industry, so the company is Liquid Lightning, but I don’t think they are public yet, but do have several patents involving sun gas conversion, so maybe they are about to go public.

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Darrel
February 27, 2014 2:18 pm

I also get the teaser emails that link to a very long video sales pitch for a newsletter. But I don’t sit there for 20 minutes watching them any more. I found that if you click on the upper right X to close the video, most email programs will ask you iof you want to stay on the page. If you click that option, the video will close and leave you with the written transcript of the sales pitch. Then you can scroll to the end and see what it’ll cost you.

stan
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April 15, 2014 12:05 am

Yes, Darrell, I’ve learned that too. Once I see the video come on and it doesn’t have a time counter or a way to pause/stop button, I click on the X. It comes up with the leave/stay option and then I read what I want and when I’m fed up, go to the bottom to see how much this FREE deal is going to cost me…

Andy Kattke
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Andy Kattke
October 28, 2014 9:59 am

Checked out SPWR and NRG, seems they are the leaders in Green Energy production on a large scale…
I too listened to this so called “Guru” for about 15 minutes then finally had to let it go. Nothing more than a sales pitch to buy his book…
I get better insight coming to this website and reading the blog.. very good stuff here.

Kirk
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Kirk
February 23, 2014 3:04 pm

Regarding Sun-Gas, here is the information I received today from “Daily Trade Alert.”
It’s a video that explains everything:
http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/GRH/0123/v/?ccode=&em=&sc=DTALER&ec=5850107

Bruce
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Bruce
February 23, 2014 6:56 pm

I would like to know more on this stuff. Please add me to the list.
Thanks.

neko_first
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neko_first
February 23, 2014 9:15 pm

Add myself to the list. I could use a boost to my retirement account.

Sam
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Sam
August 10, 2014 7:21 pm

James, buy GOLD by the gram. Treat it as though you were buying US Bonds with each paycheck. In five years gold will be between $7K-$9K/ troy oz. It is no joke, the US Treasury already knows this. China is stockpiling gold to offset their loses on our debt.

jim spencer
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jim spencer
February 24, 2014 9:48 am

Add me to your list

Greg
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Greg
February 24, 2014 10:02 am

I would like to get more information on sun-gas also !

Richard
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Richard
February 24, 2014 1:43 pm
Richard
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Richard
February 24, 2014 1:52 pm

Here is another URL specific to research on solar to liquid fuel conversion.
http://phys.org/news/2012-10-nature-solar-liquid-fuel.html

Matt
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Matt
February 24, 2014 10:18 pm
I’ve seen these newsletters for years, and there’s one thing you can count one. Anything that is a long shot will lose you everything. Long shots are always someone saying they found the “little-known” company who has a lock on some new technology that is a world-changer. They play on your hopes and dreams and sucker you. The sun-gas says it needs high temperatures (3000), carbon monoxide, and hydrogen. The real red alert here is the need for hydrogen. Why do you think the new hydrogen economy never worked? HYDROGEN IS NOT AN ENERGY SOURCE. IT IS AN ENERGY MEDIUM.… Read more »
Ethel Quiram
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Ethel Quiram
February 25, 2014 9:50 am

Matt:
Wonderful reply. You stated the how’s, why, can’s, ifs, an can’ts, information that I am not in the know about and you have put it in layman or ladies terms.
I do remember the chatter about using hydrogen cells for automobiles. But that didn’t happen, that I know of.
I thank you for a great post.
EQ

Mike
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February 27, 2014 2:18 pm
Hydrogen is the most abumdant element, the oceans have enough hydrogen to power the world, it is just a matter of extration that stands in the way. Hydrogen is a very unique element, one which has tremendous potential, but without oxygen, it is thought to be near useless. But that is where they are wrong, hydrogen in a vacuum is an entirely different scenario as I have learned during research into hydrogen power. As to Sun Gas, it is a plausible solution, although still more expensive to extract, but when you break it down to molecular level, now we need… Read more »
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Dave
May 8, 2014 11:02 pm

” it is just a matter of extration that stands in the way.”
Yes, that is exactly the problem: the cost of “extraction” (pulling H away from oxygen) exceeds the energy that would be contained in the “extracted” hydrogen. Not so useful.

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kirt
June 2, 2014 12:01 am

Off griders have been diverting some solar elec to split water and store the hydrogen in tanks for night time use to product elec with a cell. The rest of the solar elec is used directly during the day.

arch1
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March 2, 2014 10:38 am

Matt;I agree & even if you have the hydrogen how do you store & transport it. It is low density fuel but very dangerously explosive. Small molecule is difficult to prevent leaks.
What happens if car fills with colorless odorless gas & spark occurs? What happens in collisions? Much engineering necessary before practical.

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Francois
March 2, 2014 8:29 pm
it is now getting clearer every day that fracking is not behaving like traditional wells. the life span is so short that gas frackers now speak of a decline in production in 7 years. The overall reserves ay not last 20 years. The move s to keep on pushing for natgas, then replace it with hydrogen. Where will it come from? improved boilers from power plants. The last nuclear plant built i the US is not under any radar. This brand new plant has boilers reaching 600celsius. At that temperature, ordinary alloys leak. But also.at that temperature, you can use… Read more »
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October 30, 2014 10:35 am
I spent almost two decades working in a state-of-the-art (natural gas fired) co-generation power plant and heating complex and also operated chilling stations. Needless to say, I view the claims of new technology fuels with a rather jaundiced eye. However, I must say I’m in disagreement with Francois with the potential viability of alternative fuels, especially for non-motive power generation. The secret to alternatives like solar is distributed generation, where every commercial and residential building has solar panels on the roof and, perhaps the windows. The problem with our energy usage is that we build centralized power plants that require… Read more »
Alaska Realist
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Alaska Realist
November 2, 2014 4:53 pm

Sorry buddy the earth doesn’t care about us. You probably live in an area of local pollution. You really should get out more. Take a trip to Alaska or the Yukon. You will be amazed how small we really are. Read “The Earth Doesn’t Care”.

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D
March 28, 2014 10:20 pm
I’m still trying to figure out the reaction: carbon monoxide, water, hydrogen, and concentrated sunlight (photons) leading to natural gas. Let’s say it’s methane (CH4). Then we’re looking at: CO + H2O +2H + photons -> CH4 + O2, that is, methane and ordinary (diatomic) oxygen. (Count the C, H, and O on both sides.) Sounds promising. But, not being a chemist, I don’t know what temperatures are needed to reach decent rates. Someone quoted 3000 degrees; hence, the focused solar light. And, of course, as a number of people have pointed out, where does the hydrogen come from? This… Read more »
robinsteel
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April 29, 2014 1:19 pm
WE ARE CLOSE to having bacterial breakdown of biomass into Hydrogen without high energy requirements…the first 85Kwt electric plant running on biogas (almost pure Hydrogen) should be up and running very soon…I am aware of two teams working on this idea now, and there is a lot of research going on throughout the world. As soon as we have cheap pure Hydrogen, produced in the vehicle, we will have the Hydrogen fuel cell that we have been promised since the middle of the last century…”Big Oil” doesn’t like that because Hydrogen gas cannot be shipped in conventional pipelines or stored… Read more »
ROBIN STEEL
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May 19, 2014 2:29 pm
My answer is “bacterial hydrogen” the use of bacteria to breakdown any Carbon based material directly into hydrogen gas…we are on the brink of accomplishing this…check out the work being done at Virginia Tech by DR. “Percival”Zhang…he is using a complex “enzyme cascade” process without energy input, to produce pure Hydrogen gas. A similar project from Anaerobe Systems in San Jose, is putting a bio gas generator on line at a food processing plant to offset it’s $100,000/mth electricity bill with it’s waste material right now. It may be soon that you will be able to put your lawn clippings… Read more »
Pete E
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Pete E
June 10, 2014 10:58 am

I’m afraid hydrogen will turn out to be a huge bust. Burning hydrogen combines H+O2 and turns it into water vapor. Water vapor is the most potent greenhouse gas on the planet, orders of magnitude higher than CO2.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm
Any program that burns hydrogen will be doomed immediately when water vapor levels start increasing.

wilsonmeador
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wilsonmeador
July 23, 2014 12:11 pm

Water vapor is just WATER, It depends on the dew point temperature whether it’s gas or liquid.

msyoung
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February 28, 2014 6:46 pm

He lost me when he said he was a “wonder kind” ( with a “w” instead of “v”, and long “i” ). Holy S**t, doesn’t the guy even know how to pronounce his grandness?

Dave
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Dave
May 8, 2014 11:09 pm

He was too busy (at the age of 13) making his first million trading gold to worry about literacy.

francois
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March 2, 2014 9:11 am
I just looked at the sun-gas story promoted by a newsletter. How to get a liquid carburant remains University research. It does not look cheap to me. But the German have already displayed few compressed gas stations. The gas is made out from manure, organic waste though the filling stations are called “sungas”. http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/publications/2008/03/SunGas.bin.html/binarystorageitem/file/100308_SunGas_en_web.pdf The German have a strange sun with a lot of smell, or they try and get intelligent. I am nor a full specialist, but when I see the nature of the process described by the University, we will need a lot of CO2 capture funds to… Read more »
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Jim Leavenworth
March 25, 2014 9:48 pm
Thorium the future? Not on your life! True the wastes from a Thorium reacter would have half lives measured in hundreds of years as opposed to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years for conventional and breeder reactors but would you want one anywhere near your town? I once posed that question to one bonehead on another forum and he said certainly he would be pleased to have such a repository near him. This was a Yahoo business message board and idiots are a dime a dozen on a lot of them. Smetimes NIMBY is good, in fact… Read more »
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March 31, 2014 8:22 pm
my recollection from many years ago working on a thorium breeder reactor design was that it produced plutonium…not a weapons variety, but nonetheless, nasty stuff. Now, if the technology was in place to handle it, you could parlay the next material into another reactor design and have electricity for eons. But of course, since we torpedoed nuclear power in the late 70’s courtesy of Mr. Peanut, we have lost over 40 years of development making these systems better. In the near term, nuclear power will be expensive, but with a long term vision, it is probably the best answer to… Read more »
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May 20, 2014 1:46 am
Lithium is the source of energy used in the tokamak. That machine starts to work, and worries quite few people. Result: no more funding, no media support, it’s “fracking'” disgusting. The Russian have a good flair to find the cheapest shortcut to achieve fusion or to produce hydrogen from iodine at 600 degrees celsius. Who the hellon earth would want to play with thorium? You must use my oil, it has worse effects than anything else, including thorium. But I make so much money with it… Live and let die. To confuse evrybody, just promote, via some green guys duly… Read more »
arch1
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March 2, 2014 10:24 am

Francois; I think you are correct about momentum. As to CO2 it is miniscule effect compared to water vapor & seems to still be below optimum for plant growth. Global warming in my view is mostly solar cycle effect & as tree line advances north think how much CO2 will be needed for new forests. If we had abundant nuclear power we could irrigate deserts & grow trees. Thorium reactors are likely in future without problems of uranium & in huge supply.

David Cannon
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David Cannon
March 3, 2014 8:47 am

But , does anyone know the name/symbol of the specific company DiGeorgio is teasing?? This seems to be the secret of the century. Travis, help us out here.

Bob Snyder
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Bob Snyder
April 1, 2014 11:29 am

The company Future Fuels (FF) has there fingers in the SUN-GAS development.

Bruce
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Bruce
March 5, 2014 1:33 pm

I always heard the big reason Hydrogen cars were not logical was because they couldn’t speed up the electrolysis process fast enough to keep up to it. Does anyone know if they tried using a square wave generator, tuned to the harmonic frequency of the electrodes? I should think that it would increase the efficiency. Inquiring mind would like to know?

kirt
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kirt
June 1, 2014 11:58 pm

Google Stan Meyers and the research that has been done with his technology for hoh in cars.

Matt
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March 5, 2014 5:42 pm
I believe you mean hydrogen fuel cells, not using hydrogen-burning engines. There were many problems. Here are the main ones I remember: 1. Low temperature startup 2. High cost of non-corrosive electrodes necessary (platinum, palladium) 3. Use of a gas as fuel 4. They do not increase or decrease quickly for changing power drains, and the efficiency goes down if not operated at their optimally-designed power transfer rate. There were other problems I don’t remember as much. I think the proton exchange mebrane, which is basically a solid electrolyte would degrade and need replacing after time. There was also a… Read more »
Francois
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Francois
March 6, 2014 1:55 am

Let the industry decide. There are many ways to produce hydrogen. For transportation, delivery, the CNG is the precursor. For storage, look QTWW.
Fuel cells are just fine. BMW and the likes have had cars running on H2 since the turn of the century.
In California, Honda has been selling H2 cars for several years, and in Japan, entire town bus fleets run on H2.
Fracking shws more and more weaknesses. it is not the panacea, not for the long term. Some estimates that fracking will end by 2020.
Hydrogen will have risen by then.

Richard
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Richard
March 6, 2014 12:08 am

ETOGAS, a private German company, has succeeded in converting renewable electricity into synthetic natural gas, thus enabling it to be stored. The ETOGAS power-to-gas method converts green electricity into CO2 neutral, renewable natural gas. Review this press release.
http://www.etogas.com/en/the-challenge

Herman Rutner
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Herman Rutner
April 1, 2014 2:42 pm
Elaborating on my earlier blog, ETOGAS is a viable process for converting CO2 reacting with low electrolytic hydrogen made from water and low cost electricity into natural gas or methane for use in current gas distribution systems. But methane as fuel is less feasible for powering cars or trucks requiring costly and hazardous liquefied storage of methane, best via fuel cells. In contrast the proposed SUN GAS process presumably involves formation of a liquid fuel like methanol from CO2 and hydrogen as used in racing cars. Even if feasible, methanol has low energy content, about 50% of isooctane gas, about… Read more »
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John Otradovec
March 6, 2014 1:12 pm

If DiGeorgio is behinded, it probably will smell like gas because he believes to be an expert on many things. He’s pedeled foreign coins,carton cells,and is a silver expert I wan’t be supprised if he can turn cow flop into silver.

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March 12, 2014 8:18 pm

I’ll second the above comment about DiGerogio. He will peddle anything he thinks he can ride. I lost a fortune about 7 years ago following his divine wisdom. I read he book, “Peak Oil” and considered his unending rant on how we were going to be out of oil my now. Well, I sure everyone know we have more oil now than at about any time in our drilling history.

Mike
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March 15, 2014 10:17 am
Peak Oil, yes, I remember that hyped up story well, and never believed it knowing then that Iraq had billions of barrels in reserves just waiting to be extracted, and given it was sweet crude, not the remaining crap in Saudi Arabia, which is near depleated, sure made for some interesting reading over the years. But now with advances in fracking, never mind Bakken oil reserves being exploited, we have more oil than ever, so forget peak oil story. As to hydrogen, this is a story which will advance as I see it having worked with hydrogen for years. Sun… Read more »
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March 21, 2014 12:24 pm
Regarding sun gas, I am finding this discussion interesting because I have worked in some of these energy areas mentioned previously. Hydrogen production by electrolysis is not a cheap task nor easy to accomplish without expenditure of a lot of power, so I find it difficult to buy into the sun gas approach if that is what is being proposed. If the idea is to use solar energy to develop the power for conversion of water to hydrogen (by electrolysis or some other means) and to then make a hydrocarbon fuel by combining it with a source of carbon, then… Read more »
arch1
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March 23, 2014 1:30 am

WayneA; The location is Kennewick WA. where they produced plutonium for Abombs.
Oregon St. University with PNNL is working on it there, using solar-collectors to generate great heat used in conjunction with catalyst to combine CO with H to make fuel.

John loren
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John loren
March 21, 2014 8:20 pm

What is the Name of the company being promoted ?

Rajith
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Rajith
March 24, 2014 8:57 am

I guess it is Liquid light. If you go to their website, you will find that their scientific advisors list contains Dr Andrew Bocarsly. He is one of the main guys mentioned in
the research report, who is spearheading the research in this technology

Dave
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Dave
May 8, 2014 11:24 pm

Looks like it might be–thanks. http://llchemical.com/technology

Marc
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Marc
March 29, 2014 11:37 am
From what I’ve read on the subject progress has been made using a synthetic photosyhtesis method incorporating a focused solar mirror array as a heat source, this method has in fact successfully split carbon dioxide as well as H2o, the rebinding of the atomic structures to create a hydrocarbon atomic stucture in the liquid is the magic formula here and won’t be perfected for industrial cost effective production for 20 or so years, barring some unforeseen breakthrough in the current processes. Still worth keeping an eye on this because some progress has been made quite recently ( last two years).… Read more »
arch1
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April 1, 2014 3:23 pm

Marc; You are correct but also involves a catalyst bed. Very expensive focused mirrors & 20 years probably minimum. I believe also needs some input of NG.

Marc
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Marc
March 29, 2014 11:41 am

Sorry about the message repeat, the site prevented my first post because of invalid email site address then piggy backed both posts for some reason after resubmission.

steve
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March 29, 2014 12:07 pm

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/air-water-and-sun-the-ingredients-of-green-gasoline

But can the technology make the transition from test-tube to the gigatonnes required for industrial scale-up? “We have to be realistic and a series of true breakthroughs is still required to make our scenario a reality. Even if we have these tomorrow, it will take at least 20 years before we see this type of technology providing the majority of the world’s transport fuel,” cautioned Reisner. “That said, we are confident that renewable syngas, a ‘green gasoline’ technology, will be able to drive our current industry in a sustainable way. – See more at: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/air-water-and-sun-the-ingredients-of-green-gasoline#sthash.klPHBqa5.dpuf

Herman Rutner, MS chemist, not fuel industry
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Herman Rutner, MS chemist, not fuel industry
March 29, 2014 2:56 pm
Many good comments, some from pros better informed than I. My bottom line as a hard nosed industrial scientist is that both Sun-Gas and ETOGAS are impractical energy intense processes for producing liquid fuel , Sun-Gas, actually methanol or wood alcohol and methane gas for ETOGAS with little net gain in energy unless derived natural sources in costly conversion devices or via costlier nuclear power plants, ideally based on thorium. Note that 1 mole Carbon monoxide, CO, requires 6 moles hydrogen, with 4 used in methanol, CH4O, and 2 wasted as H2O or water. And 1 mole methanol is about… Read more »
John Cymbal
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John Cymbal
March 31, 2014 9:04 am

Check out the stock symbol HYSR.

arch1
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April 1, 2014 3:28 pm

Herman I don’t disagree with anything you said, but process is using very high temp focused sunlight instead of electrolysis. Did you mean $250 per barrel. I think that may be close if not higher.

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Art Innevada
July 4, 2014 10:06 pm
hi, I have been reading the thread since watching the tout video. I get the gist that replacing Natural Gas in pipes with ETO Gas isn’t economically feasible. The facility at LBL only broke ground in Fall, 2012, and the building opened within a year, roughly, so as the facility has been operating for roughly 9 months, I doubt they have researched to conclusion any breakthrough to tout as a multi-trillion $$ solution to the petroleum age. Then there’s DeGiorgia’s ridiculous verbal delivery. You have to watch this shyte video to believe what a moron the guy is. Maybe he… Read more »
joan627
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joan627
March 30, 2014 12:31 pm

Hmm. Interesting advances. Like to be kept up to date.

John W
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arch1
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April 1, 2014 3:32 pm

Hank there are 42 gallons in the barrel measure of petroleum = $420+. Otherwise I agree.

Hank Dowgielewicz
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Hank Dowgielewicz
March 31, 2014 9:09 am

I read the whole pitch and came across this. I copied it for here.
Other scientists are working on different designs using different materials … like the Sandia Lab team in New Mexico who estimates that they could make diesel or jet fuel for roughly 10 bucks per gallon.
At 10 bucks per gallon, that’s over $500 per barrel. It looks like a non-starter to me.

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microcapwiz
March 31, 2014 11:24 am
History looking to repeat itself. Small Natural Gas company signs letter of intent for farm-in of Pinedale field well locations in Wyoming. There’s a lot more behind that seemingly basic headline. Ultra Petroleum (NYSE:UPL) founded and financed on the Toronto Venture exchange ultimately found great success and traded to a pre-split share price of $200/share. Currently, it trades at a post-split share price of $27/share. Ultra was one of the biggest, if not the biggest oil and gas success stories to ever graduate from the Toronto Stock Exchange The largest shareholder of Outrider Energy was one of the original founders… Read more »
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Matt
April 2, 2014 1:11 pm

Ok, that previous message looks like a shameless pump and dump advertisement (by someone trolling) for a company which has nothing to do with the subject of this threat – sungas.

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bababa
April 7, 2014 5:24 pm
So nobody bought this sun fuel report so we can share the name of the ticker. Me I cannot buy it because I don’t have a credit card because I cansel it after been victim of fraudulent billing. Im currently looking for stock to buy, do you got suggestions? I recently bought capstone turbine (cpst) at 2.05$ and bally technologies at 63.00$. I have the feeling that there is better buying opportunity out there but im new to it so I cannot find great ones. Im 52 years old and those are the first stock I never bought. Wist I… Read more »
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bababa
April 7, 2014 11:24 pm

I found the ticker, it’s an Australian company call greenearth energy and the ticker is ger on the Australian stock market (asx) . Is it possible to buy the stock in Canada? ger is the parent company of newco2fuel http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/01/20140126-ncf.html
http://www.newco2fuels.co.il/about/

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J. D. Hunter
April 16, 2014 1:31 pm

Ask a chemist or anyone that remembers high school general science. It takes more energy to split water than you get back from the hydrogen. Next they’ll be touting a perpetual motion machine.

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April 28, 2014 1:18 pm
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Dutchess
April 29, 2014 11:14 pm

Folks – the company is Canadian, went from about $6 to$22+ from Jan 2013 to Jan 2014
The ticker is HYGS

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francois
May 9, 2014 1:23 am
Hi Hi, what a mess! That’s not a discussion, but a market place dealing with whatever deals more or less with energy. I identify: A – how to make petrol/gas from manure B- how to make H2 C – how to break CO2 with interesting mixes between the points. It is normal, it comes down to one, and only one point; how to make dirt cheap clean energy by the TW (terawatt, just following the inflation). Once we have that cheap power, we can do what we want. We should focus as mankind on that issue. If we fail to… Read more »
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DaveM
June 4, 2014 12:02 pm

I note that in the latest blurb for “Sun Gas”, the talking head says that “By 1975, pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly produced the world’s first vaccine. It was the best “home-grown” product Lilly created that eradicated Polio.”

The Salk Vaccine was first tested in 1952.

The Sabin (oral) Vaccine was first tested in 1957, and approved in 1962.

Neither Jonas Salk nor Albert Sabin were associated with Eli Lilly.

If this is an indication of the quality of the advice offered, I would advise staying away.

Jo
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Jo
June 27, 2014 1:20 am

I am wondering why nobody has picked up from where TESLA was headed, free energy from the earth and wireless transmission of it.

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Solyom
July 19, 2014 3:47 pm

Might buy a penny’s worth if my broker will forget transaction fees

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