Hilary Kramer’s services…might as well get a dart board

By gswelker, May 29, 2014

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I tried out the ”whole enchilada” package with the Hilary Kramer services; they have titles like ”High Octane Trader,” and ”Game Changers.” Well, I used the advice, and started losing money. The options recommendations in particular were poor; some made money but several lost and the losers were much more detrimental than the winners were beneficial. Luckily, I had hedged effectively so my losses were limited. So I tried a different strategy: I took her recommendations and then compared them to the press reports and research I could do at Fidelity and Morningstar. I passed on several of them because she was in conflict with many if not all others.
I had hoped that this indicated she was a contrarian to be trusted, and I would win when others lost. Guess what? When she went against the grain she was wrong every time. Loser after loser piled up.
Now down almost 20% with the terrible advice she was giving, I decided to play the pattern I had seen emerge: do the opposite of what she recommended puts on Disney (DIS) in mid-April, so I bought calls. And, 35% later and counting, I have made back the losses from following her crummy advice.
She did no better on her stock picks; broke even mostly, and likewise, when she was contrary she was wrong.
So don’t wast your time or money on this one. Tell your friends.

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9 Comments on " Hilary Kramer’s services…might as well get a dart board"

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Le elle
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Le elle
July 11, 2014 1:06 pm

Thanks for the overview of Ms. Kramer. She keeps sending very tempting emails, I scrounge around a little and see she is an INCREDIBLE market timer! Aren’t they all?

James Lockhart
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James Lockhart
July 19, 2014 3:40 pm

Never think that when you figure out that you are losing and would like a refund that it is going to be sent to you

Gary
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Gary
July 27, 2015 1:38 pm

Couldn’t agree more! If my double digit losses that I experienced with Ms. Kramer were double digit gains (like she advertises), I’d be rich! In less than a year I’ve lost about 21% of my portfolio with her recommendations. I will NOT be renewing any of my subscriptions I have with her. Get a better dart board Hilary.

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raybo555
August 21, 2015 3:46 pm

I was interested in her “Absolute Capital Return” I could be a Millionaire in 4.5 years starting with 5K. Is this the reco service you are talking about?

Joe
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Joe
February 26, 2016 7:55 am
I bought into one of her options trading services almost two years ago. For the price I did expect better educated guess, however I never would invest without doing some of my own research, e.g., Candle stick patterns, RSI and Volume indicators, general market condition/direction. -Arguably the very basics. Often her advice made no sense or could not be executed. I recall a short recommendation for a stock that was flashing bullish reversal in its Candle stick pattern and an RSI lower than it had been in the last year. An OPTIONS trader (short term trader) would be a fool… Read more »
RWiens
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RWiens
May 19, 2016 8:33 pm

Stay away from this service!!! It’s terrible! I back tested her historical results (something you can only do AFTER you subscribe). Taking all of her recommendations and assuming you invested 10% of your capital on each one, you would be down 23% in your account. It is no where close to what she advertises and in fact… she outright lies! She says “We’re banking more winners that cancel out the losses (even in this volatile environment)” Obviously that is a LIE!
Unfortunately, it’s one of those “too good to be true” stories.

Walter l
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Walter l
May 30, 2016 12:15 am

You are so right.You can only see her total record after you buy the service.More losses than 10% winners.

Scott Paul
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Scott Paul
July 19, 2016 5:47 pm
It seems all of these option buying services are ripoffs and doomed to failure. If you’re buying naked options, you’re matching wits with very, very smart people, those who sell those options. These people win 80-90% of the time, and you’re going to beat them by buying the options? Most options expire worthless, so it really is a rigged game. Sure, the risk is limited, but so is playing blackjack – you only risk what you bet on each hand. And yet the house has the percentage, and wins in the long run. Same with option sellers – they are… Read more »
Scott Paul
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Scott Paul
July 19, 2016 6:00 pm

Just more information, have to love the first article by her where she talks about how she “can’t tolerate dishonesty”
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2013/05/24/avoiding-fraud-in-frothy-market.html

And then, turns out she’s the leading filer of lawsuits against M&As.
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/lawsuit-class-kramer/

Seems pretty scammy to me.

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