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By jr9114560, November 17, 2016

Does anyone have information on the Stansberry ”Dirty Thirty List” ?

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Andrew
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Andrew

I listened last night but can’t drop that kind of money. Was hoping to find some info here too.

Billy
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Billy

You should pay for it. It costs money to make money. Work harder

Andrew
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Andrew
I shouldn’t have said I can’t drop that kind of money, I should have said I don’t want to drop that kind of money on just average research. BTW, I worked for 32 years on Wall Street, so I know what it takes to work hard and make money. A typical day was 15-16 hours with commute. I retired at the age of 55, how about you big shot? I subscribe to some other Stansberry publications and can’t say they’re all that great. Once in a while I get an idea but mostly I generate my own research which I’ll… Read more »
Invars
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“I worked for 32 years on Wall Street”
and after those 32 years do you need advice from anybody?

tonney
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tonney

There are always new questions and new things to learn regardless of ones years of experience

backoffice
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You’re absolutely right, i worked on Wall Street for a number of years and more than half of these publications are BS plain and simple. If you plan on becoming rich from them guess again.

happytrader
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Big Trade’s partial list: This is what I gleaned without forking any money over: DDR GGP JCP TCO VNO WPG GM F I certainly saw high volume today in Far Out of The Money Options in all of these on Nov. 17th. (The first trading day after the Official publication launch for non-beta subscribers) If you subscribed, I’d love to see the full (or even partial list in this thread.) Here is why it will be beneficial for you to post the list: Market makers hedge the opposite side of your trade by becoming “Delta-Neutral” In the case of selling… Read more »
yooper
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I am fairly certain Avis (CAR) and Canadian Natural Resources (CNQ) are on the list.

dunnydame
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dunnydame

Try adding:
DNR, NBR, NBL, SU, WFT,
ENB, ETP, HCP, CLI, PAA, WMB,

guest
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add DVN & LNG. Wouldn’t be surprised if TSLA is on there as well seeing some nibbles on the lower 1/18 strikes. Also, seeing buying in ALLY puts, used to be GMAC. PS loves to recycle research papers and presentations more than I did in college.

dunnydame
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ALLY, TSLA yes
COF, DVN, LNG no (but Dirty Thirty-three wouldn’t have had the right ring to it)
Add:
NAVI, SC,
HTZ, AKS, AVP, S, VIAB = 30

Peter
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Peter

As someone who has the full list, I can tell you for certain that 5 of the symbols so far discussed above are NOT on the list…

Andrew
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Andrew

Here are the 30: DDR,GGP,JCP,TCO,VNO,WPG,CNQ,DNR,NBR,NBL,SU,WFT,ENB,ETP,HCP,CLI,PAA,WMB,ALLY,GM,NAVI,SC,CAR,F,HTZ,TSLA,AKS,AVP,S,VIAB. Plus, I’ve seen LNG (Cheniere) mentioned as a Dirty Thirty but not on the original list of 30. Def put on your radar as they have $20b in debt and low revenue.

SoGiAm
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Thank you Andrew for the solution and criteria.
Thank you jr9114560 for establishing the thread.
Happy Thanksgiving week and beyond ALL! ~ Ben

Peter
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Peter

I must have subscribed to a different service because my Dirty 30 list is different! Are you a decoy posting symbols to take heat off the real list of 30?

aatkinson
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aatkinson

Porter said that the list would evolve. I expect changes

peterkevw
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peterkevw

I think anyone who make money off this list should help Andrew pay for his monthly maintainance of the newsletter

dunnydame
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dunnydame

Agree with your list, Andrew.

Dennis Brown
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Dennis Brown

Peter, I have the exact list as Andrew. It would be interesting to see the 5 you have that are not on our lists.

Paul
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Paul

Won’t general publication of the list benefit the Stans subscribers who got in first? what am I missing?

Anton Turnbul
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Anton
Caution! These 30 outperformed the mkt YTD so you’re fighting their momentum. (26% vs 8% for SP5000. Choose carefully…

warrenator
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True! I’ve bought about 8 or 9 of the positions we’ve guess on and they’re underwater at the moment. Be patient, people. The Trump rally may cause them to raise the recommended strike prices for these turkeys.

chrizcringle
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To sum it up you’re buying put-options on these companies, but what’s the time-frame suggested? 1 year from now?

Peter
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Peter

What you’re essentially paying for is their research to know exactly WHEN the debts on these companies become due. It certainly isn’t about buying puts on every one. Each month they release info on exactly which puts/strike/expiry etc to purchase, based on when the debts are due to go bad… some are long dated, others short dated. If you get that bit wrong you’ll probably lose all your money.

chrizcringle
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Yeah, that makes more sense 😉 Thx

Brandon
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Brandon

I agree completely. I too am finding it difficult to figure out when each company has its debts due. Any Venmo or bitcoin users interested in coordinating a shared account?

Brandon
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Brandon

Or anyone in the Los Angeles area interested in sharing an account?

Argo
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Argo

I would join and share in the cost.

John Wavell
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John Wavell

I would also join to share in the cost. Doing it alone is to costly.

Brandon
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Brandon

I am having trouble accessing this group. Do you have it set to private? Thanks in advance, and also FYI Porter is closing the Big Trade tonight.

Brandon
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Brandon

Email doesn’t seem to be correct?

John Wavell
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John Wavell

Thank everyone for joining in. I think that most of the information was given
(other than when debt becomes due). It helped a great amount.

Brandon
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Brandon

That is the only information to be interested in, John: when the debts are due for these overleveraged dirty thirty. Otherwise, as Peter mentioned above, the chance of losing money is very high.

Trendy
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Trendy

I can’t find it on Google groups, either. More info, please.

Brandon
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Brandon

Have requested to join the Google Group. Until you accept, we cannot post any comments in the group discussion.

Alex
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Alex

I have requested to join the google group. It won’t let us post in the group until we join. Seems we have enough interest to legitimately share an account.

jr9114560
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jr9114560

I saw that the service has been shut down to new subscribers. I will be happy to join you if the offer is still open,

jr9114560
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jr9114560

I think that you can get the money from us and apply for the service. Let me know if this makes sense. All would just have to trust you. I have no problem with this.

Greg Sansum
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I am willing to trust you. I see it if Warrenator buys it (or someone else does), then we send him the split before he sends us the newsletters/updates. I can’t imagine him not doing it. We’re investors, not thieves!

SoGiAm
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I do not quite understand what you hope to accomplish by sending SBT 3K…You have the tickers…
Now maybe the group can break up the research and come with a time frame on each company’s debt obligations, management, outlook, etc.
Great job Warrenator getting a group together.
Best2All ~ Ben

dunnydame
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I concur Ben. IMHO you’d do so much better for yourselves by springing for the Irregular membership with Stock Gumshoe and joining the Gummune here. But in the meantime . . . A Certain Person who has a life membership to Porter’s ruminations, let me know that he has just bought 1/19/2018 puts with CNQ (49% of debt due in next 3 yrs) & GM (with 17% of debt due in next 3 yrs), plus AVP (76% of debt due in next 3 years) & GGP (11% of debt due in next three yrs). There are many more numbers for… Read more »
warrenator
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dunnydame, I’ve wondered about that myself.I’d MUCH rather give my $$ to Travis, whose research & efforts are fantastic. But this “Gummune” you speak of…is that just your term for the general Gumshoe community, or is it specific to SBT? Thanks for the (sort of) confirmation of the options I’ve already placed buy orders on. It’d be fun to know if I guessed the right strike price as determined in the posh halls of Porter. Ah, but that’s what people with money don’t have to stress about! Can you tell us, though, IS there a fruitful discussion of this topic… Read more »
dunnydame
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We Gumshoe Irregulars talk about being in the Gummune or Gummunity, and being Gummies or Gummerati. There isn’t an intensive discussion of Stansberry option trading there as far as I know of, but you have the basis of a group that you could start off there right now. As Ben (SoGiAm) said: “Now maybe the group can break up the research and come with a time frame on each company’s debt obligations, management, outlook, etc. Great job Warrenator getting a group together.” For myself I subscribe to a Gumshoe group discussing gold & silver trading, one exclusively discussing $ARTH Arch… Read more »
SoGiAm
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Check out some possible 10-baggers the Gummune bio-team is analyzing here: http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2016/11/such-a-pleasant-stay/
Becoming an Irregular at Stockgumshoe.com is THE best investment I’ve EVER made.

warrenator
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Thanks for the little “push.” I’m in 🙂

dunnydame
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dunnydame

Are you using the same handle – warrenator?
Don’t forget to actually sign in – you can start accumulating thumbs up symbols now.

warrenator
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Yes, I am 🙂

robert smith
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robert smith

HI I would like to get in on the shared info group if we can get enough people

jerome50
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jerome50

I’ve tried to join but can’t seem to quite figure it out

Peter
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Peter

Be careful of the symbols listed here… a plant feeding false info may be in the midst…

warrenator
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Peter, ha! I think (especially after this horrible election season) that everyone is aware of that possibility.

dunnydame
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dunnydame

Now if you were Irregulars discussing PBT for example, and a mole was planting false info, that person would be challenged by someone who was researching the stock in question.

Dave
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Dave

Warrenator, are still looking for an additional person in on the group? If so I’m in as long as we button up the details and obviously get approval from Stansberry!

warrenator
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We blew off the idea on a group subscription. S & A doesn’t allow sharing. Sorry.

dunnydame
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dunnydame

warrenator – don’t forget to sign in to get credit for any likes to your postings!

traydon
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I was also fascinated by the new Stansbry idea and sleuthed a few of the stocks he is targeting, but was scared off by the price of $3000 up front and $49/month thereafter. Especially after finding out that although he has the biggest newsletter operation, it is far from the best. It seems his idea involves getting puts with strikes way below the current price and expirations in January 2018 on a large basket of big cap stocks with impossibly high debt service so that the handful of winners will pay well enough to more than make up for the… Read more »
warrenator
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Our group is nearly full and almost all members have paid up. If not completed by Sunday night, I can take 2 more members.

Matt
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Matt

warrenator are you guys full on the SA group?

1clue2go
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Love the discussion and positive energy. I would not spend a penny on Porters research to be honest. I used to belong to several of his newsletterstuff and must say I lost money on almost every investment I did on his recommended stocks. I am now a lifetime member here and that is it. Porter makes 1000s of rekomendstions and if he gets 10 or 20 of them right does not make him a genies. He goes on on posting those 10 or 20 winners in his hall of fame. Anyone of us can do better here. He claims so… Read more »
Peter
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Peter

Couldn’t disagree with you more! I have been an Alliance member for a decade now (meaning i get access to every Stansberry service)… I have taken a $200k portfolio to over $950k during that period using NOTHING but the Stansberry recommendations (primarily Stansberry Alpha, True Wealth and Doc’s options service). The biggest gains came from seabridge, which I invested $40k in (turned into $320k and I banked the gains… it actually went even further, but I was very happy with the gains so I closed out a little early!).

Each to their own though!

John Wavell
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John Wavell

I am sorry that I have not kept up with the posts, but, if you are still trying to find people to join the group, please let me know how to do it. There seems to be some confusion as to “if more people are needed or wanted” , who is going to lead the group, how is the information to be sent out and how do we pay.

SoGiAm
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Hi warrenator, fyi: To provide the link to a post click on the chain symbol of the post, which is located immediately to the right of the time-stamp…copy/cut and paste to location of new post. So your December 1, post at 2:14 pm LINK is: http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2016/11/microblog-seeking-information/comment-page-1/#comment-4909579 #Best2You&all ~ Ben

knudsen57
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I listened in on Porters Dirty 30 and decided I would be on the sidelines, but then to my surprise the list was emailed to me. I asked Stansberry why they sent the list and they said it went out to those who were on the call? So I’ve been watching and unfortunately many of the stocks have continued to increase in price? Maybe the election hype is supporting them. I also checked them against Market Watch and found several listed as a buy? Knowing the options tend to loose value as time passes, I think many who subscribed may… Read more »
Matt
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Matt

warrenator are you guys full on the SA group?

dunnydame
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I don’t know if people saw this reply post from Noble Leader Warrenator a few days ago:

“Brandon
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Or anyone in the Los Angeles area interested in sharing an account?

Warrenator
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November 29, 2016 1:37 pm
I’d be interested. Ideally a group w/ a max of 10 people (just $300 bucks that way!) could be created; maybe a Google group?

warrenator
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December 13, 2016 8:21 pm
No can do, folks…they won’t allow it.”

But in the words of my most unfavorite saying, “There’s more than one way to skin a cat.”

dunnydame
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What on earth is going on with this thread??? I got this email this evening – Fri, Dec 16, 2016 7:34 pm – and it’s a repeat of one from December 3rd. And the comments in general are all over the place. Is it just me and my computer or is everyone seeing the same thing? “New comment on Microblog: Seeking Information From Stock Gumshoe admin@stockgumshoe.comhide details THIS IS A NOTIFICATION EMAIL ONLY, DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL There is a new comment on: Microblog: Seeking Information Comment Link: http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2016/11/microblog-seeking-information/comment-page-1/#comment-4909922 Author: warrenator Comment: Our group is nearly full and almost… Read more »
Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe
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A reader asked that some of his/her comments be removed, which messed up the order a bit. Sorry for the confusion.

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