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12:17 am November 20, 2009
| Will
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I hear you and I know the feeling of tiredness. I don't think you should get anymore numismatic coins though because the premium is so high. The common reason given is that numismatics are non-confiscatable. That is pure nonsense. The only reason such coins were not confiscated are 1) some brave souls hide them at the peril of $10,000 fine and imprisonment, or 2)they found a home overseas and subsequently found their way back to the States as "non-confiscatable" numismatics.
Take care.

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11:33 am November 20, 2009
| dmanson
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Exactly, I fell for that once.. never again. It's all about bullion for me now. I'm just waiting for a nice dip right now. I am afraid I won't get it but I think I'm going to wait for it anyway because odds are it will come.
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12:47 pm November 20, 2009
| Will
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Kitco has a nice little screen on its webpage that show the price of gold in two components-due to changes in the US$ and due to changes in the volume of buying/selling. It is interesting to note that while the US$ has been gaining the last two days, buying has increased even more with the net effect that gold continues to go up.
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4:14 pm November 20, 2009
| Will
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Post edited 10:08 am – November 21, 2009 by Will
In the face of a rising dollar, gold continues to soar. This bodes well for gold. For those who are waiting for gold to drop in order to get in, you may be waiting a loooooong time
http://www.reuters.com/article…..20?rpc=401
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4:15 pm November 21, 2009
| dmanson
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Story of my life… 
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5:45 pm November 22, 2009
| Will
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Post edited 6:48 pm – November 22, 2009 by Will
The 24-hour spot market just opened with gold jumping up $7 an oz. This is simply incredible. Those of you waiting for a dip to get in might really want to rethink your strategy. With quantitative easing not stopping anytime soon Gold has nowhere to go but up. Soon, you will not be regretting what price you bought in but why didn't you buy more.
It is now up $8.80
It is now up $9.80 at $1161.00
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6:50 pm November 22, 2009
| dmanson
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I saw that too. It looks like the banks are no longer able or are no longer trying to manipulate the price of Gold lower.
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11:07 am November 23, 2009
| dlst
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Think miners, too. While GLD is up 1.38%, GRS is up 6.4%, AUY & GG up 3%, IAG up 4.4%.
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11:33 am November 23, 2009
| asafp
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Eventual Rate Hike May Not Save Dollar; A Boon for Metals Stocks
The U.S. dollar has been under tremendous pressure recently as the Fed pledges to keep interest rates near historic lows for an extended period. Now analysts say the eventual hike might not be enough to establish a bottom as the government floods the market with bonds amid double-digit unemployment.
According to Bloomberg, Standard Chartered analyst Callum Henderson said, "History tells us the dollar shouldn't start rising on a sustained basis until 12 months after the Fed starts to lift rates." He continued to explain that dollar weakness will persist until U.S. interest rates exceed those of competing nations…
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11:38 am November 23, 2009
| shredmonster
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Post edited 11:39 am – November 23, 2009 by shredmonster
I took some profits today on mining stocks – had to. Profits like this don't come along every day.
31% on GRS for example in a few short months.
I took it and ran.
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1:25 pm November 24, 2009
| stockcrazy10
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Post edited 1:26 pm – November 24, 2009 by stockcrazy10
A contrarian view…
What’s better than gold? Anything!
Nov 24th, 2009 | By Andrew Snyder
"….what are the chances you will actually use gold for its "emergency" purpose?
Slim to none, and I’m more pessimistic about this economy than any Roubini-following perma-bear.
Gold’s a trap, especially for the folks buying at today’s prices and actually paying to store the rare metal in some vault.
If you absolutely have to own gold, keep your ownership to a minimum, a few grand worth of coins or so. Nothing more.
Better yet, take advantage of the gold rush of ’09 and invest in the world’s gold miners. They are the ones fleecing the bandwagon riders and creating the ultimate market-beating profit potential.
In this market it is more important than ever to not be a clueless sheep merely following the herd.
Be the shepherd and lead the lambs to slaughter."
http://www.contrarianprofits.c…..hing/21140
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2:38 pm November 24, 2009
| shredmonster
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Contrarian Profits is one of the biggest Doom & Gloom websites around.
I don't agree with this at all and I don't think many other people would either. Look at the obvious demand for gold in every part of the world. So gold is not worth investing in but the miners are – that is not even a common sense statement.
Becuase of the tremendous amount of dollars printed inflation is eventually unavoidable and gold will go up.
The author of the article will be a living on the street if we have a market collapse which I feel is an outside possibility.
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8:36 pm November 24, 2009
| Will
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Post edited 1:01 am – November 25, 2009 by Will
This guy can say what he wants. Gold just keeps climbing…another all time high of $1176 just reached a few minutes ago. I think if this trend continues, sooner or later all our gold mining stocks will breakout. I can't wait!
He used the standard lines like you can eat gold, you can use gold to run your car, etc…just plain tired and old verbage. By the same token, you can't eat the US$, you can put the US$ into the fuel tank and run your car. There are thousands of gold dealers that will take your gold at spot. If you are lucky, you might even get a couple of points over spot.
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9:32 am November 25, 2009
| asafp
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2:55 pm November 25, 2009
| stockcrazy10
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Relentless upwards drive for gold – will something give?
The gold price is continuing its upward drive and talk of a price bubble is seemingly having little impact.
Author: Lawrence Williams Posted: Wednesday , 25 Nov 2009
LONDON -
"The gold price seems to be continuing in its almost relentless upward push which has been under way since it broke through the $1,000 barrier at the end of September. Every time the price stutters big money buying seems to come in to support the new status quo, which suggests there is far more to this than just normal investment demand…."
http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb…..;sn=Detail
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3:12 pm November 25, 2009
| asafp
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I don't think we've reached bubble levels yet. Remember the real estate bubble? People were standing in line to get Florida condos to flip. We haven't seen anything like that yet.
Although individuals and large players like India are realizing it's not a bad idea to have some of your assets in precious metals with near zero interest rates and deficits here in the US and many other countries.
The price targets we hear for gold are still modest. 20-30%. Not much talk of doubling or tripling anytime soon.
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3:16 pm November 25, 2009
| Will
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Even as I watch gold smashed through the $1,800 barrier, and then the $1,900 barrier in the space of an hour or so, I felt a tinge of fear about what is happening to our beloved country and our currency. It is sinking like the Titanic . Back on Thanksgiving 2006, the same thing happened with the US$. It started dropping on Wednesday and by the time people came back on Friday, it had dropped quite significantly. Are we seeing the same thing in 2009?
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3:27 pm November 25, 2009
| dmanson
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$1800 barrier?? You mean $1000 and $1100, right?
Yes, I noticed the same thing. Martin Weiss is even hitting on it. Did you see the Dollar Today? Holy Crap.
I keep thinking there has to be some kind of "head fake" that the government will pull off. Do they really want people thinking it's all miserable during the holidays when people need to spend money for the economy, let alone morale?
SO MAD AT MYSELF for not buying more Gold and Silver. At $850 an ounce I was screaming it and people told me to stop being so "gloom and doom". What an idiot I was. AUY at under $3.50…. why didn't I pull the trigger?? 
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3:29 pm November 25, 2009
| dmanson
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I'll ask again.. Do you guys think the same thing will happen in Silver? Silver is rising but is not quite at it's highest levels (I don't even consider the 70's when the Hunt brothers cornered the market, I look at $21.2/oz as the all-time high.
I figure rather than beating myself up for not buying Gold, is Silver ripe for the same thing? I'm too scared to buy Gold now but Silver looks like the rocket is just starting to lift off.
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3:30 pm November 25, 2009
| Will
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Corrected: Thanks dmanson 
Even as I watch gold smashed through the $1,180 barrier, and then the $1,190 barrier in the space of an hour or so, I felt a tinge of fear about what is happening to our beloved country and our currency. It is sinking like the Titanic . Back on Thanksgiving 2006, the same thing happened with the US$. It started dropping on Wednesday and by the time people came back on Friday, it had dropped quite significantly. Are we seeing the same thing in 2009?
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4:20 pm November 25, 2009
| optimism
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On September 25th in the "Market Outlook" thread ( Post#127), I wrote:
The "wave" on Gold. Look for pressure to the downside until approx. Oct. 7th. Gold can come down to roughly the 960-980 range. This should reverse in early Oct. and I anticipate a huge rally until approx. Dec. 25th. Time will tell.
I still have a target of 1,300 on Spot Gold.
Today I have my eye on Nat Gas. It's the contrarian in me. MACD crossed positive along with some other technicals I follow. I'm keeping an eye on FCG.
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5:27 pm November 25, 2009
| Will
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dmanson said:
I'll ask again.. Do you guys think the same thing will happen in Silver? Silver is rising but is not quite at it's highest levels (I don't even consider the 70's when the Hunt brothers cornered the market, I look at $21.2/oz as the all-time high.
I figure rather than beating myself up for not buying Gold, is Silver ripe for the same thing? I'm too scared to buy Gold now but Silver looks like the rocket is just starting to lift off.
and I will answer you again…. Buy up all the silver you can lay your hands on, silver rounds, old used silver coins (come in the bag) for barter, silver eagles plus silver stocks like SLV, SVM, SLW, etc. I wouldn't give up on gold just because you think it has gone up too much…just ask yourself how many times have you been wrong about the true length of any rally and left plenty of money on the table or left too late and came up short. 
For example, I just bought some GLD options on Monday when gold was like $1,150 an oz. Today, I made a couple of grands. Honestly, I think gold has just started. Gold price will slowly but surely pull the rest of gold mining stocks along for the ride.
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5:29 pm November 25, 2009
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Optimism, glad to hear your opinion about natural gas. I bought part-way back into HNUZF a few days ago and it is looking good so far (up 15% today!). I am trying to decide whether to make this a more serious bet at this point, since nat. gas presumably has a long way to rise and the weather will be getting colder soon.
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6:03 pm November 25, 2009
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One strategery I'm using now is to see how close a stock is to it's recent top. I'm not using the 52 week high that shows on most sites. Not far enough back. I'm looking at the recent high on the P&F chart (on stockcharts.com). For most stocks, this is early to mid 2008.
The theory is that stocks well below the high could still have a ways to go and reduced risk on the downside. The number of stocks in the precious metals sector that fall into this category is dwindling. SVM, SWC, EXK, AEM, PTM still qualify. Platinum might be better than silver or gold right now. Look at the P&F for SWC and PTM. In oil, BPZ, NOG, ROSE are on my radar. ACXM, UEPS, YTEC in tech.
These are just some that I've been watching. I'd be happy to hear about other people's favorites that fall into this category.
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9:19 am November 27, 2009
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I'm of the belief that todays downfall on the market is in fact do to Dubai, and am looking for bargins. asafp, BPZ scares me with the political mess and civil unrest in PERU. I still own NOG, BEXP, CLR, EOG, and other Bakken stocks. OIL is a must for any economy, and with the closures/shut downs of up to 3 refineries in the US, I believe GAS and HEATING OIL, will rise in the future. I mean, we have to have 8 different gas formulas per yr in Atlanta because of the EPA, someone has to refine that oil into heating oil and gas. Remember, even with the Delaware refinery still open most of this year, gas prices are in the 2.50 range down here in Ga., where as last year, at this time. 1.90 or less. I still believe Gold will rise past 1200-1500 this year and silver is a winner, maybe 20.00 this year and as much as 60.00 next year if this world doesn't calm down or the US fix it economy. DYODD and please remember ….I'm a dumbass !!
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11:13 am November 27, 2009
| dlst
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Bargains: I bought more SVM this morning at 6.92, and more HNUZF at 9.15.
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11:16 am November 27, 2009
| asafp
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The market was like the freakin mall today. Had to get there early to get the bargains.
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11:32 am November 27, 2009
| stockcrazy10
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There will be more 'bargains' Monday…
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2:04 pm December 1, 2009
| dmanson
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Gold broke $1200 to hit another all-time high.
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3:22 pm December 1, 2009
| Will
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Yup! Last Friday was a great buying opportunity for gold. The next time another Dubai happens, you won't see as much rushing to the US$ as before because people will get smarter and start to realize that gold is a safer haven than US$.
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