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5:13 pm June 24, 2009
| spreadtrader
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My VXO indicator says it was OK to buy stock and stock options from June 17th to the present. VXO stayed in X's today (barely) and I bought more. While the VXO is still in X's, VIX reversed to O's.
As soon as they both break down below their multi-O bottoms it will be too late to buy…….possibly for awhile.
Stay cool………..
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1:39 am June 25, 2009
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Spread, glad to see you posting on this. I thought for sure we had moved above the BRL on Tuesday for VXO, but it held firm. Your theory is still holding strong. I've been curious, as I went short on several things prior to the VXO indicator moving above the BRL, and I'm right about where I started (with massive moves in both directions). This one could easily go either way in the next 2 days. I will be watching closely.
BTW, very glad to have this forum back.
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5:03 pm June 25, 2009
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VXO broke below a spread triple bottom today; and VIX hovers at the triple bottom with no breakout…….yet.
Call options are in order here. It will be interesting to see whether there is follow-through tomorrow………
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4:16 pm June 26, 2009
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After this weeks action with both the $VIX and $VXO breaking bottoms, I'm curious to hear your analysis ST and Patches…
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9:10 pm June 26, 2009
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Equity volatility is seasonal. According to a recent study by Larry McMillan: “There is also a seasonality to VIX trading patterns. … You can see several patterns (over the past 20 years). Early in the year, there is typically a small peak in VIX in January, followed by a slightly higher one in March. Then it goes into a decline during the spring and into mid-summer. It probably comes as a surprise to no one that the low in volatility occurs around July 1st of each year. What might come as a surprise though is that volatility typically rises quite a bit during July and August. Then it really gets going in the fall — In September and October, when the stock market typically has major declines. It peaks in October. After that, volatility becomes surprisingly docile for the rest of year, until by Christmas it is almost back at the July lows. Not every year follows the pattern exactly, but most are a reasonable approximation. 2008 followed quite closely, and this year the pattern is typical as well.” So is it time to assume that the VIX will rally according to these past seasonal patterns? Perhaps, but I’d also suggest the possibility, based in part on the ongoing compression of historical volatility, that the VIX might continue to decline to surprisingly low levels – perhaps as low as 20 – before it bottoms.
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3:25 pm June 27, 2009
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I'm learning about strong seasonal voltility trends right now…is there a good resource out there where one can view the strong seasonal voltility trends on specific commodities?
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3:25 pm June 27, 2009
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That is a great analysis David, I appreciate the post. I'll be watching to see how that trens holds up this year.
SM, I am watching the VXO very carefully to see if the pattern fills out like Spread suggested. Last week I went short based on many factors (Insider selling at historic levels, overbought sectors, bearish forming wedges, etc), but so far I am getting my ass handed to me. The one thing that held despite the other indictaors is the VXO, which did not break the bearish resistance line. We'll need a solid reversal to see how Spread's theory hold up, but so far I should have followed his advice. I've read there are a lot of big traders who are getting popped because they sold short too soon. Bottom line is, I will probably lose some money, but not the lesson….
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11:02 am July 3, 2009
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VXO and VIX both reversed to X’s and both have switched to positive weekly momentum. Penetration of the 31.00 – 33.00 range in VXO (presently at 27.45) would be pretty significant here because it would break the down trend; and 32.00 on VXO would be a buy signal. If that happens, not only would the correction likely be well underway, but re-evaluation of the long term market direction should then occur. It seems we’re right betwixt and between and that inspires….higher volatility. But high volatility offers buying opportunities, so keep that in mind. (Think early March.) However, now is not the time to buy stock. Unless you are patient, you will be punished.
Enjoy the 4th……….
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7:02 pm July 8, 2009
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VXO punched well through its down trend resistance line in connection with a new buy signal. Now we'll see just how much fear this market correction will inspire.
VIX also made a buy signal but has yet to decisively punch through resistance. Both are operating on positive weekly momentum and negative monthly momentum.
This is the first time since March that these indicators have broken above resistance. I'd like to see them at 40 or higher. Although it seems counter-intuitive, times of exceptionally high market volatility make for the best buying opportunities.
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8:56 am July 9, 2009
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Spread, so far your VXO theory has been right on the money. If it holds, it will be an invaluable tool.
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10:25 am July 9, 2009
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So if I am understanding this correctly when these indicators are high – high volitility in the market – that is the time to buy?
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3:28 pm July 9, 2009
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That's right Shred. As I've said before, look at the dates on the chart of almost any stock in the last six months when VXO was at its bearish resistance line. Ask yourself whether those weren't excellent days to buy stock. This is another one of those times. The question is, how long will VIX and VXO stay at or above their resistance lines. The higher they go the better for stock buying.
Now ask yourself: do you think this is a good time to buy stock? If you say “no”, that is probably what most people are saying. Remember, contrarians DO what others are afraid to do.
Today, both reversed to O's and I have to say I'm disappointed. I'd like to see fear take over the markets….for a week or so. Of course, it could reverse again and head north…….that's the dilemma. Feel lucky?
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5:33 pm July 15, 2009
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VIX hit a new sell signal today and interestingly, VXO is right against its up trend (bullish support) line. It will be interesting to see if it can break through.
Now is not a good time to buy stock, so stand by.
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1:19 pm July 20, 2009
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Post edited 1:28 pm – July 20, 2009 by stockcrazy10
Is VIX signaling a drop in S & P?
http://www.optionmonster.com/n…..35984.html
You'll have to login or register to read the entire article, but it's worth it!
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6:10 pm August 7, 2009
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As long as VIX and VXO are hovering at relative lows I'll refrain from purchasing issues that are correlated to the broader stock market indices. According to the VXO “indicator” the last good buying opportunity was July 8th. Look at any broad market index related chart to see if that would have worked out.
Meanwhile, someone asked months ago whether you could trade the VIX. At that time, the answer was “no”.
But this is the brave new world of investing; and now you CAN trade the VIX……..with an ETN that began in February…..the symbol is VXX. (Orange is the international color for caution, so conduct yourself accordingly.)
There's a very interesting anomaly presenting itself on the VXX and VIX charts. It's called divergence. You see, the VIX reversed to a column of X's on July 29 while the VXX flashed a sell signal on August 7…..and these charts are supposed to parallel each other. The divergence can't last. Any bets on which one takes the lead going forward?
Have a good weekend. 
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3:50 am August 28, 2009
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Well, it's been a few weeks since I 've visited this thread and it continues to be the case that you should avoid purchasing equities………..got discipline?
The VXO indicator would have to return to 31.00 or 32.00 before you should buy stock again. But then you can buy like a banshee. Be patient and you will be rewarded. This market has more to go, but it needs some drama in its life.
Personally, I'm buying puts now while they are cheap……..the stock later. 
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4:00 am August 28, 2009
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SMcGuire45 said:
I'm learning about strong seasonal voltility trends right now…is there a good resource out there where one can view the strong seasonal voltility trends on specific commodities?
Sorry there SMcG……..just saw your question.
You can view daily changes in implied volatility for almost all commodities at
http://www.mrci.com
…………of course, there's a fee (14 day free trial) to do this so I don't partake. 
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6:45 am August 28, 2009
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No problem…I have a hard enough time remembering what posts I asked questions in let alone having to answer a bunch of questions too. I think I read in another post you mentioned starting a newsletter…is that a possibility?
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7:31 am August 28, 2009
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Yes, I'm looking forward to a new career in…….journalism. Seriously, we won't be doing “teasers”; and we won't charge $3,000 a year (or even $2,995) to participate (I have to thank the “Martin Weiss thread” for inspiring me to do this because three months ago I'd have said “never”).
We'll feature almost weekly trades in a newsletter/email format. I say “almost” because sometimes Ms. Market doesn't cooperate. Sometimes we will have more than one trade per week, hopefully averaging 50 – 60 in a year.
The idea is to allow traders and investors to learn by doing, with an emphasis on controlling risk so that folks can gain the confidence to trade in any market environment. We'll manage each trade from day one and answer (constructive) questions from clients, posting FAQ's at our website (under construction).
We are shooting for a November start; and my brother (the brains of the business) is working out the details, including pricing.
…..thanks for asking.
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8:36 am August 28, 2009
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Excellent Spread. Glad to hear. I'm in.
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11:00 am August 28, 2009
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That's welcomed news for sure! You can count me in too…
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9:13 am August 29, 2009
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Thank you. I won't post any more about it so as not to intrude upon the Great Gumshoe's space (not that we'll be competitors, but he gets paid to advertise).
But anyone interested can shoot me a private message; and I'll let you know in the background when we're ready to launch.
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11:18 pm September 16, 2009
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Post edited 11:19 pm – September 16, 2009 by spreadtrader
Just as a friendly reminder, this indicator (VXO) continues to say that U.S. equities should not be purchased at this time. Rather, I'm continuing to look at puts, currencies (I bought some FXB last week), some foreign ETF's and commodities (although commodities are unfavored). Patience.
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6:44 am October 29, 2009
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Someone mentioned to me that the VXO column of X's is “up against it” again….its trend line, that is.
True, but that doesn't mean to run out and indiscriminately buy stock (bet most of you are thinking about selling stock, aren't you….and that's good for folks who are planning to buy).
Wait a bit to see if VXO punches through its down trend line (personally, I think it will, but that's not a promise). If so, it may provide an even better buying opportunity. 
Watch for stocks to dip to support and consolidate, either trend lines, Fibonacci retracement lines, natural chart support, or your favorite moving average lines……..then consider buying with both hands. But like anything else that's fun…..use protection.
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10:55 am October 29, 2009
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Unfortunately, some of us are already heavily invested and looking to sell at the first opportunity (to recoup capital, minimize loss, whatever).
Anyone with capital sitting on the sideline could have come in yesterday (when the x for VXO hit the trend line) and scoop up any stocks and would have come out ahead 5~10% (as we speak). Like you'd said–buy with both hands. I can visualize you doing that now
This reinforced the importance of timing.
If the “x” for VXO hits the trend line indicates a buying opportunity, is there any indication for getting out or buying puts?
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11:30 am October 29, 2009
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That's why I linked to “Reinvesting When Terrified”…
….but I was too 'chicken' to act…or should I say too 'canary'?   
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3:28 pm October 29, 2009
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From this day hence, I will be watching VXO like a hawk
Jokes aside, each time the x hits the trend line (brl), the next few days always saw stocks rising. It is only the magnitude of the rise.
There are probably some opportunities left to buy tomorrow but with the 12th anniversary of Black October next Tuesday, I will be real cautious !
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8:42 pm October 29, 2009
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”. . each time the x hits the trend line (brl), the next few days always saw stocks rising. . .”
Interesting observation. I wonder if this is something that you could trade using S&P calls or an double EFT? I guess a leveraged trade idea would depend on the “…magnitude of the rise…” as you say.
VXO could be a good tool for my 401k. The weekly payroll deduction could go to cash. When the VXO says it is time, move the cash into the stock funds.
Another good reason for me to learn P&F!
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12:43 am October 30, 2009
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smiling2bank said:
VXO could be a good tool for my 401k. The weekly payroll deduction could go to cash. When the VXO says it is time, move the cash into the stock funds.
You still need to find a way to tell you when to move out from stock funds to cash
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9:01 am October 30, 2009
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spreadtrader said:
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Wait a bit to see if VXO punches through its down trend line (personally, I think it will, but that's not a promise). If so, it may provide an even better buying opportunity. 
Well, VXO did not punch through the trend line. It reverses into “o”. Guess that explains the selling this morning .
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