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10:57 am October 30, 2009
| SMcGuire45
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Will said:
smiling2bank said:
VXO could be a good tool for my 401k. The weekly payroll deduction could go to cash. When the VXO says it is time, move the cash into the stock funds.
You still need to find a way to tell you when to move out from stock funds to cash
If you subscribe to DWA, on the Welcome page they have a MNYMKT vs SPX Relative Strength relationship that is an excellent tool to hit the sidelines and go cash when it gives the signal. When the chart favors cash it's time to get off the bus!
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12:04 pm October 30, 2009
| SMcGuire45
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VXO is busting through the BRL intraday…we'll see where it closes.
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12:27 pm October 30, 2009
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Interesting. I stuck my neck out today and got on the bus.
Now, let’s see if the bus gets hit by a train.
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5:02 pm October 30, 2009
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spreadtrader said:
……………………………an even better buying opportunity. 
But you have to be patient and wait for it. It's like Chris Berman waiting on that hanging curve ball……..
……. ti-i-i-i-i-i-ck-tic-tic-tic-tic. 
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5:11 pm October 30, 2009
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…..you mean to say that today wasn't that great buying opportunity you were referring to. I thought it was a broad market sell-off. Now, I have my work cut out for me this weekend reviewing candlesticks, Fib charts, and DWA for all the stocks I am watching.
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6:24 pm October 30, 2009
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I’ve become convinced that the big fish’s programmed buying and selling during weeks like this is intended in part to make quick profits from the small fish, scare them out of the market and lure them back in at the wrong time.
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10:18 am November 1, 2009
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@ SpreadTrader post #15
I (kind of) remember reading something about options on the VIX. Something about the opportunity for arbitrage does not exist because the VIX options are european style and only ??? trade ??? close ??? settle ??? on experation day. That might explain the divergence that you saw between the EFT and the options. I know this is way over my head, but I thought it might be valuable to you.
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10:29 am November 1, 2009
| smiling2bank
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@ Will post #29
I was going to use a simple moving average. In when above 200 day and out when below 200 day.
@SmcGuire post #31
Thank you for the suggestion. I have not subscribed to DWA, yet. It is on the “wiish list” page of my multi-volume “to do” list. However, I would like to discuss the details of MNYMKT vs SPY. I don't want to hijack the VXO thread so I will start a new one.
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10:40 am November 1, 2009
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Would it be a better buying opportunity to wait until the column of X's stops going up?
I am using Stockcharts.com. Is there a way to see what date that an X occured? That way I can compare the market price at the time that the X's occured.
No. I have not read DWA. It must be obvious. 
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1:26 am November 2, 2009
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smiling2bank said:
Would it be a better buying opportunity to wait until the column of X's stops going up?
I am using Stockcharts.com. Is there a way to see what date that an X occured? That way I can compare the market price at the time that the X's occured.
No. I have not read DWA. It must be obvious. 
“Would it be a better buying opportunity to wait until the column of X's stops going up?” Absolutely. See post #34.
“I am using Stockcharts.com. Is there a way to see what date that an X occured?” The only way I know is with DWA Smart Charts. The dates this year were March 6 and 9, April 1 and 2, April 28 and 29, June 17 and 18, July 8 and 9, October 2 and 5………..and soon. You would have experienced a small drawdown after June 17 and 18, and presently from October 2 and 5. However, that's why you should follow the method with discipline so that you are buying all of the way up. Obviously, if you just start doing this now, it gets more and more risky……because one day, the market will turn for good (or bad).
The other thing is, to catch the absolute bottom dates would be……….well, very clever. For example, we may be in the same situation as we were on March 6, April 1 and April 28. But how would you know? That's why it's a good idea to do two things. Enter with small positions so you cluster your buys around a series of down trading days, sort of like dollar cost averaging; or wait until the day of the reversal from X's to O's. Either way, you may want to protect any new stock position with puts because if you're the last sucker in the door, you want to have one foot out the door when the herd starts to stampede lest you get trampled. 
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1:32 am November 2, 2009
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……….but if you like to try to “catch the knife”, you learn how to use Fibonacci support/resistance levels and one or two oscillators. 
Wasn't it John Lennon who said “I've got blisters on my fingers”?
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6:45 am November 2, 2009
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spreadtrader said:
VXO punched well through its down trend resistance line in connection with a new buy signal. Now we'll see just how much fear this market correction will inspire.
VIX also made a buy signal but has yet to decisively punch through resistance. Both are operating on positive weekly momentum and negative monthly momentum.
This is the first time since March that these indicators have broken above resistance. I'd like to see them at 40 or higher. Although it seems counter-intuitive, times of exceptionally high market volatility make for the best buying opportunities.
VXO punched through the resistance line on 10/30/09 and is currently at 30. Was it a great buying opportunity on 10/30/09? I thought it was although like you'd said earlier, many of us were probably thinking of selling, and that should make it an even better buying opp.
Now if VXO continues going up on 11/02/09, then the market correction continues?
CNN business news predicted the market is poised to open up higher. Now that does not guarantee that it will stay up the rest of the day.
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6:57 am November 2, 2009
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spreadtrader said:
Well, it's been a few weeks since I 've visited this thread and it continues to be the case that you should avoid purchasing equities………..got discipline?
The VXO indicator would have to return to 31.00 or 32.00 before you should buy stock again. But then you can buy like a banshee. Be patient and you will be rewarded. This market has more to go, but it needs some drama in its life.
Personally, I'm buying puts now while they are cheap……..the stock later. 
I wonder if the 31.00 or 32.00 is a relative or absolute figure. You said this back in 7/08/09 when the VXO was like 24.00 or 25.00. On 10/30/09, VXO was at 30.00, getting awfully close to 31 or 32.
It is hard trying to catch a falling knife. You might get blisters in your hand
I would rather do what you suggested in an earlier post…buy in small clusters. However, a lot will depend on what happens later today.
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7:10 am November 2, 2009
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Will, I'm not a day trader and what the market does in one day is of little consequence to me, except as I view it in the context of the bigger picture. If the market opens in positive territory and stays there today it does not mean that the rest of the week won't be down (but it doesn't mean that it will, either).
Also, and consistent with my previous posts, if the market opens and stays higher today I would rather not buy stock UNLESS I've concluded that the correction has ended (which I haven't, though I'm often wrong). The point is, have a notion about what you think the market is doing in a broader sense, plan for that, then plan for contrary or additional contingencies; and then execute your plan.
“Now if VXO continues going up on 11/02/09, then the market correction continues?” That's the idea, as the broad stock market is generally inversely correlated to the options index.
“CNN business news predicted……” While I agree that their “prediction” in this case is probably due to the over night market action in Asia (a halfway reliable indicator of how the U.S. markets may open), if you put much faith in CNN business news, you might as well bleat like a sheep.
Have a great week….. 
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7:15 am November 2, 2009
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Will said:
spreadtrader said:
Well, it's been a few weeks since I 've visited this thread and it continues to be the case that you should avoid purchasing equities………..got discipline?
The VXO indicator would have to return to 31.00 or 32.00 before you should buy stock again. But then you can buy like a banshee. Be patient and you will be rewarded. This market has more to go, but it needs some drama in its life.
Personally, I'm buying puts now while they are cheap……..the stock later. 
I wonder if the 31.00 or 32.00 is a relative or absolute figure. You said this back in 7/08/09 when the VXO was like 24.00 or 25.00. On 10/30/09, VXO was at 30.00, getting awfully close to 31 or 32.
It is hard trying to catch a falling knife. You might get blisters in your hand
I would rather do what you suggested in an earlier post…buy in small clusters. However, a lot will depend on what happens later today.
Yes, the actual figures I posted in July were based upon where VXO was at the time. The key is the trend line. Once it is at or beyond it, that is the time to consider buying equities, if you think the broad market will continue up.
Good idea, buying in clusters…..and if you do, just don't forget the PPT (put protection team). 
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10:30 pm November 4, 2009
| Will
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The “O” is getting really close to the bullish support line. Wonder if there is any significance? I know this is not the time to buy stocks. Maybe it is time to buy some puts?
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6:45 pm November 5, 2009
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Without going into detail (because i don't have the time this moment)……I wouldn't be buying puts now.
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