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“Chaffee Royalty Program: Mining Profits without the costs”

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[note: this older piece is from 2008, The "Chaffee Royalty" is being teased again in 2013 but it's pointed at different stocks, you can see our updated take on the new version of the ad here.]

The people of Gumshoedom have spoken, and they have said, “what is this Chaffee Royalty thing?”

This is one of the more heavily emailed promotions in recent weeks, an ad for Chris Mayer’s more expensive newsletter, Mayer’s Special Situations that touts a few mining royalty companies that you should own …

… companies that he’d be happy to tell you all about, if you’ll just take out a subscription to his newsletter at the “sale” price of $750.

Mayer may be spot on target, and he might be brilliant … but we don’t have to subscribe to his newsletter just to find out what this Chaffee Royalty company is (or companies … he mentions a couple). Not while the Gumshoe is on the case!

So what do we learn about this?

Well, first of all the whole idea of Chaffee Royalties is “teased” out for us — Chris talks about a few investors from history who did extremely well buying mining royalty rights, including the Jerome B. Chaffee who lends this ad its catchy name. Some famous folks in history built their empires in mining in the American West, though much of that was many, many years ago.

So … these Chaffee Royalties are just mining royalties — if you’re unfamiliar with how that works, essentially it goes something like this: A mining or exploration firm discovers a good deposit of ore (or oil, or whatever), and books some level of reserves to the extent that folks will be willing to invest in it.

Then they sell off a portion of their income from those reserves for an up front payment. There are several ways that this can work, but one example is a Net Smelter Return (NSR) — if a mine was predicted to possibly produce 1,000 ounces of gold a year for thirty years, an investor might put up some money to help with the exploration and production costs, and in exchange get a percentage of the net smelter return — the amount of gold that actually gets poured. So if they paid whatever amount they believed it was worth for a 1% NSR, for example, then if the mine does actually produce 1,000 ounces of gold they would own the right to ten of those ounces, and in most cases they would just get a financial return equal to 1% of what they sell that gold for during the year. Probably every one of these royalties has different rules about how costs may or may not be taken out to get to that net return number, I’m not certain if there’s a prevailing standard.

So, you can see that this is in some ways a lower risk way to invest in mining — and lots of folks agree. The royalty owner doesn’t have to pay for the costs of mining, or take the risk (except for the risk capital that they’ve already put in to buy the royalty stream) that the costs will go way up and the mine will go dry earlier than expected.

But there is certainly some risk — there’s risk that there isn’t as much gold as they think, or that gold prices will fall lower and the royalties will shrink — or that prices will fall so low that it stops being worth it for the producer to dig and process the ore. Royalty owners generally don’t get much say in whether or how fast the mining work will be done, they are very much junior participants.

Since the capital required all goes in at the front end, however, royalty companies tend to be pretty high margin — once they’ve got a good stream of royalty-producing projects that are actually creating income, the percentage of their revenue that goes straight to the bottom line is usually pretty high — unless they continue buying lots more royalty positions when prices are high, as is probably always the temptation, since if they stop buying new royalty positions they lose the ability to continue growing over time (their assets are, by definition, depreciating since the ore is gradually all mined out over 10, 20, 30 or however many years).

And since royalties bought early are the cheapest ones, these companies also have the risk that they might invest in a mine that never actually gets started, or that never reaches its potential. If they buy royalties on a site that’s still in the early stages of exploration, they will obviously be cheaper than buying royalties on an existing mine whose output is steady or growing, since predictable income is worth more.

So that’s the general idea or royalties — he then talks in some detail about two companies.

One of them is actually mentioned by name, too, though he doesn’t necessarily connect the dots to the headline teaser. Mayer notes that there is a particular royalty play that closed to new investors in 2002, and that only recently reopened.

That company is the same one he talks about in some detail later in the letter — Franco-Nevada, which is the real pioneer of this business and has become a very large royalty owner across most types of resources.

Franco-Nevada is a justly famous company in resource and mining circles, and it did indeed close to “new investors” back in 2002 — but it’s just a public company, how could it close?

Well, as you may know, it was bought out by another company, and became a subsidiary of a much larger mining giant, Newmont Mining in early 2002.

Then, when Newmont decided (perhaps with the assistance of some investment bankers who were bored and needed some fee income) that they needed to streamline, they took Franco-Nevada public again at the end of last year. It now trades on the Toronto Stock Exchange at FNV, recently getting about $19 a share. It went public around $15 and got as high as about $23 a couple months ago. Trades in pretty high volume on the pink sheets at FNNVF, too, in case you’re limited to investing in US stocks.

Do keep in mind that even though these kinds of teasers always talk about “royalties” as if you’ll be getting the royalities, these companies don’t actually tend to pass any royalties on directly to shareholders. Most of them don’t pay dividends, so the royalties will theoretically keep building up and being reinvested by company management, you’re not actually going to be getting a stream of royalty checks yourself. There are some royalty trusts that actually do dividend most of their income, mostly in oil and gas, and some of those are just royalty owners that don’t pay the production costs … but that’s a different animal than we’re talking about with this teaser.

(If you want to learn about some of these trusts, many of which are Canadian and subject to a new tax regime in a few years, I have written about a few of them — they came up in a monthly dividend article, and at least one is bound to come up in any discussion of high-yield stocks)

So what is the one favorite “Chaffee Royalty Program” that Mayer thinks you should look into, aside from Franco-Nevada? What is the one that he calls the “next Franco-Nevada?”

We get a few clues:

They own a royalty stream on the Voisey’s Bay mine, which is primarily a nickel producer. He says that this mine is the richest Canadian discovery in the last 40 years, and has one of the largest and highest quality nickel reserves.

Here’s an excerpt of Mayer’s description:

“On this Voisey’s Bay deal alone, it should collect royalties between $16–20 million. And yes, that’s if nickel prices today don’t budge another inch.

“What happens if nickel surges again to the record levels it hit last May?

“If that happens, count on another $24 million in royalties going straight to this little company’s bottom line. That might not sound like much for a big, well-known company. But for a company like this — still undiscovered and valued at only just over $400 million on the stock market — this is enormous. And just based on that, I already calculate that this could be an easy way to triple every dollar invested over the next two years.

“But it doesn’t stop there.

“Because, you see, this little “Chaffee Royalty” outfit — like the early Franco-Nevada — has a lot more going for it that just the sweetheart royalty deal on Voisey’s Bay nickel.

“As I said, it carries nearly 100 royalty deals — any one of which could start producing as well or better — and all of which give you even more opportunities to pile up royalty wealth on five different continents… and in 10 different countries… in 18 different commodities.”

He also notes that this company has 100 other royalty deals, and has rich royalty streams from gold mines and others in Chile, Nevada, and Australia. Along with exposure to uranium, oil, natural gas, diamonds, and pretty much all the other exciting natural resources you can think of.

So … we hear more, including some additional details about that mine in Chile, which is operated by Barrick Gold and that this company bought into for $11.4 million in exchange for a royalty share.

But we’ve probably got enough to feed into the hopper of the ‘ol Thinkolator, so let’s open the chute … chewing, chewing, and we learn that this is …

International Royalty Corp (ROY on the Amex, though their main listing is at IRC in Toronto)

The shares are down right now from a high of about $9 last summer, but are having a good day today, perhaps on the strength of this newsletter teaser ad campaign — shares are priced at about $5.50 at the moment, though this can be a very volatile stock that has moved up and down between about $4.50 and $7 just since January.

They do indeed own all those royalties that were teased, 80+ according to the company’s count, though only a few of them are producing properties at the moment (including Voisey’s, which brought a little bit of a disappointment to the last earnings release because of the lower price of nickel year over year). You can see the earnings press release here.

So is it worth owning? I can’t touch an answer to that question with the research I’ve done so far. I like that it’s a diverse collection of royalties, though I’d want to look through them and see what the real likelihood of getting their exploration and development-stage properties online is, and when that might happen. They are profitable and have very little net debt, and as with all these royalty owning companies (including Royal Gold, Franco-Nevada, Silver Wheaton), the valuation is much higher for them than it is for the actual producers, largely because investors perceive these diversified royalty owners as being lower risk. The trailing PE is about 35 for ROY.

And it looks like they might be trying to qualify as a pass-through investment fund of some sort, tax-wise, so note that it’s possible that this might complicate your taxes if they have net earnings that they pass through to you on a taxable basis, whether or not they actually send you the cash. I only briefly looked at their tax information, so this might be my misunderstanding — but it’s worth a look if you’re interested in buying shares.

This is not too different from the discussion we had about the “Nevada Royalties” that were teased by Matt Badiali and the folks at Stansberry & Associates a few months ago, though of course the specific companies are different. If you’d like to see the news articles that were quoted in the ad or just read up a bit more on the topic, here are a few places to start:

Financial Post: How Royalties Turned into Gold

Forbes: Virtual Gold (older article about the history of Royal Gold)

Most of these companies do not have much analyst coverage, and what analysts they do have tend to have a hard time pegging earnings estimates because of the variable nature of production at any one mine, a difficulty which is magnified across the many mines and production sites that each of these royalty holders depends on. So I wouldn’t count too terribly much on those forward earnings estimates, unless the company itself provides some clear guidance. ROY is having its conference call at the end of this week, on May 20, so you could always listen in on that — or even ask some questions if you like — to see how management feels about the future.

Hope that helps you get an idea of what these kinds of companies are, and why Mayer thinks you should buy them. Myself, I dunno … but if you’ve got a strong opinion, or even a tepid one, feel free to share.

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39 Responses to “Chaffee Royalty Program: Mining Profits without the costs”

  1. ROY is a ZERO out of 5 technicals positive. Missed their last quarter earnings by a large margin. Pays a pitiful dividend. Same price as 2005 with nothing pushing the price up near term. This turkey should have trippled with the commodity binge we have been on for years. Why think it will do well in the future?

  2. ROY is listed as International Realty Corporation (not International Royalty Corporation as this article indicates). Are we talking about the same company here?

  3. There is no “International Realty Corporation” as far as I know, one of the news/ticker services must have a typo or an old name that has propagated through a few places. ROY is the ticker on the Amex, and International Royalty Corp is the real name.

  4. Sorry, if you go to the NASDAQ website it reports ROY as International Realty Corporation, however if you go directly to AMEX ROY is reported as International Royalty Corporation.

  5. I like Silver wheaton, and had Royal Gold 7% Preferred, until Royal Gold ended it….
    Silver Wheaton is a pure play in silver,
    buying it at $3.90/oz. I don’t look on it as a Royaly play…Maybe it is. It’s languid enough
    to be one. Slo-o-w mover. But I like it for long term. I’ve watched the others…It’s just too
    much watching paint dry, for too little…

    For you silver enthusiasts…My favorite
    “Industrias Penoles” spun-off some of the “Fresnillo” silver mines in an offering, on the London exchange…About 520 pense/share
    Somewhere around the last week in June, there will be a US tracking number, so U.S. investors can buy it on the London exchange. Take a look at both “Industrias Penoles” and “Fresnillo”,
    1 pound Sterling = 100pense = $1.95…
    So Fresnillo is around the $10 range…

  6. SLW – Talk about paint drying. This is a 1 for 5 positive trading UNDER the Bearish resistance line. Probably pick it up for $8.00 in the next 12 months. Nothing here. Why tie up your capital?

    Can’t find anything on the other two.

  7. I did find Industrias Penoles on the Mexican exchange PE.OLES-MX trading for 314 pesos – about $30.20 US. Horrible chart falling from resistance at 395 to a double bottom of 295. Next support is 250.

  8. ROY is another one of Mark Skousen’s faves, but since I’ve cancelled his service, ROY’s latest plunge might’ve stopped him out.

    I agree with farley5, terrible div. history & the stock is a serious underachiever, & it’s into gold royalties mostly, where did the silver mention come from. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=ROY&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&p=m50,m200&a=&c=

    A better shot at both dividends & growth potential is QCC IMHO! Skousen expects them to double their generous div. in less than a year.

    I know first hand of Mayer’s work (Capital & Crisis I subscribe to), this ROY pick isn’t like him, so perhaps Agora has asked him to reco this bomb, nothing surprises me with Wiggin & Bonner.

  9. I just found out that this Mayer pick is NOT for us C & C subs, it’s for his Special Situation portfolio, reduced to $750./yr for a ltd. time.

    Too rich for me, & if ROY is the best that Chris can do in this Bear Market rally, God help his subs.

  10. Dear Gumshoe,

    Thanks so much for the work that you do. I’m new to investing and I still don’t know the language of investing as well as I’d like to.
    I started my investing with $20.

    I’m not rich by any means. But because of you I’m learning more about how markets work and and have already made some small amounts of money.

    It’s a wonderful thing that you’re doing for us out here and I just wanted you to know that for my part I’m very glad you do what you do.

    By sharing your knowledge you’ve become a light for your brothers and sisters in this place. And by that light those of us without much knowledge are able to see and navigate this new world of finance. You’re blessed to have the skill you have. And you bless us by sharing what you have.

    Thank you so much.

  11. Mayer Special Situations from above. I track 19 open recos broken down as follows: 5) 5 for 5, 3) 4 for 5, 2) 3 for 5, 2) 2 for 5, 4) 1 for 5, and 3) 0 for 5. That means I can only buy 8 stocks out of his list of 19. Too bad he does not use supply & demand for his list. Several recos he sold crashed and burned- several did well.

  12. Chris Mayer is my favorite, and I am a big fan of Agora. Their marketing is slick, it sure drew me in, but I am happy about that, as they have helped me make very nice profits. Just avoid their “penny stock” type of teases, as these RARELY payoff.

    Mayer, Skousen, and many others are believers in ROY, and it is up nicely with the loss of China’s zinc since the earthquake.

    Mayer is a value investor,so technical factors are not his primary concern, finding hidden assets not valued properly by the markets is his specialty.

    He also rec. KOG and many other big winners in the oil markets lately – a FEW have doubled!

  13. Agree with Ben – this ‘gumshoe’ email is terrific. I get tons of these advisory emails, so getting independent views is great. I also get two of the Agora subscriptions and over several years their OI lists have proven good. I just finished reading Chris Mayer’s book _ “Invest like a Dealmaker” and think it is one of the best practical guides I have found. But indeed their teasers get a bit tiresome.

  14. Yes, [Gumshoe]Travis…Thank you for your promt reply to my enquiry…I very much enjoy your writing style and appreciate your time!!!
    As for the Royalties; it always disappoints me when stocks,[sectors]are teased that most have known about forever…I parked some money with one of the Canadian Oil trusts and despite the dividend I too am tired of watching the paint dry…

  15. Ben,
    Hang in there buddy. Buffet started with even less than $20. Good luck to you. Listen to the Gumshoe, he won’t steer you wrong.

  16. I really like SLW. I don’t mind if it hasn’t went up that much… gives me more time to acquire more shares for cheap. Even if silver stayed the same price, they will be increasing the amount of silver they sell with all their investments in other soon-to-be miners. I’ll hold it for a few more years probably.

    As for the Canadian Income Trusts… they have dissapointed me as well. Truth be told, no one wants to bid the price up until they know what is going to happen in 2011 and beyond when all the Income Trusts must switch to regular corporations. There is so much uncertainty because many of them will be able to merge with other companies tax free. It’s not that they aren’t good investments… but as far as Income Trusts go, Income investors don’t know if the company will continue to pay high dividends or not, so why buy based on the dividend rate at the moment? After all this mess is settled, I bet you there will be some very happy investors who got in for really cheap. Some of those prices are so low it’s rediculous… paint drying? Yes. But it’s also kind of nice if you intend on acquiring more and looking real hard to find the rock bottom bargains.

  17. Speaking of Silver companies, does anyone have a recommendation on THE BEST silver company? I was lucky to buy HL (hecla0 at $1 and sold around $12. Now I read that Outstanding Investments, who say they are the number one performer according to Hulbert for the last five years, has said buy HL up to $15! (But what about falling silver prices, maybe, or VZ exposure??
    I would be interested in someone’s analysis of the lowest-cost, longest-mine life Silver producer out there….thanks for sharing. I love Stock Gumshoe!!

  18. Sheesh!, Farley5..You sure know how to hurt my tender feelings…I’m not a chartist. I’m not sure
    the basis for the resistance, and support levels to which you refer are valid. Quite frankly I don’t really care if Industrias Penoles does go down, even to what I paid for it…I’d buy more. At better than double in here, the dividend is 3%, or so.
    As to Fresillo. It’s the 2nd largest silver producer on the planet (I don’t know what #1 is…One of you might).
    Actually Farley5, I don’t question your charting; It just doesn’t seem to square with the industry,
    any more than squaring with the gold industry.
    Fundamentals might be more appropriate than technicals, in this environment.

  19. Mr. Nabloid, You’re my kinda’ investor…
    But;Don’t give up on the Canadian Trusts just yet..
    Most are working on the 2011 tax problem…
    Peek at Harvest Energy Trust (HTE). They’re banking money for 2011, and cut their dividend 20% last Fall…Still not a shabby monthly dividend.
    Vertically integrated (Untapped oil sands…60 or so gas stations, conventional oil/gas pipelines and production…A refinery
    in Newfoundland…An ice-free,deepwater port).
    Apropos to nothing whatever; Look at Frontline
    tankers (FRO). The yield will change, based upon average voyage profitability margins…But I
    don’t think it will ever shame you.

  20. So Sorry destry! Never meant to hurt anyone’s feelings except the famale shouter that hates capitalism. I only share what works with the fine followers of our Fearless Leader StockGumshoe. I HATE puting money into a stock just to see it languish. (You were the one that brought up paint drying). There are just so many great investments out there that I won’t settle for buy and hold. No one should – EVER. I even set stop loss orders for Mutual Funds. If a style was working and now the manager comes up dry, I’ll give the money to someone that is working now.

    The WORST thing about Value Investors is they buy into the story and not look at supply and demand. My thread on Heisman stock pickers shows two value ideas – MSFT and GE. Neither of them have done anything since 2002 and will not do anything in the next few years. Why not look at sectors that are attractive and put your money into what is working. We have had a great run with Latin America and Emerging market ETF’s. The steel ETF has saved my bacon. Make your money work by picking a great story from this site and simply look at supply and demand. Don’t EVER talk to management. They will spin the data and cloud your mind.

    Finally, as a tease, I plan to use StockGumshoe’s spreadsheet and rank the ideas from a technical standpoint. As a group, the 4 out of 5 and 5 out of 5 technicals positive will beat the 0 – 1 – 2′s. SLW may eventually work out but why not wait until we see demand come back into the picture? Time is money! TTFN

  21. Good points, everyone — and Farley, thanks so much for consistently sharing the technical perspective on the stocks we talk about here, it’s a valuable insight even for folks who implement different strategies.

  22. Anyone hold Geovic Mining or have views on it ? It´s been a dissapointment in contrast to Lynas that sweet stock, but I bought both on the reccomendations from Agora, althoug I did not buy the newsletters.

  23. Anyone care to comment on Richard Young’s: Young’s Intelligent Report for $99 per year? If I recall correctly he has been in the business for 25-30 years or more.
    We appreciate you Gumshoe.

  24. I need some info on the Bakken deal..any comments and who is doing the drilling or who has the royalties etc..thanks..bobbyg

  25. I read Ben’s reply on starting out small, but no details on how to do it. Can someone supply me with that information? And would I have to pay a broker in order to this?

    Thanks,
    Marvin

  26. CAN ANYONE GIVE ME AN INSIGHT ON THE WHOLE STEMCELL THING GOING ON AND MAYBE SHARE WITH ME WHATS THE BEST STOCK TO BUY

  27. You asked for opinions on Trusts. I've done quite well with Natural Gas in the US
    Mainly CPNO, I purchased this year on an option at 15. per share now trades over $30. and pays 2.30 @ year. LINE. I bought a couple of years ago for 12.50 it trades over $36
    and pays 2.64 annually.. If Gongress will get us off the oil kick and onto Natural Gas
    of which we has 3 times more of than Saudi Arabia has Oil. These stocks will be
    even richer.

    Thank you would appreciate your opinion GumShoe

  28. cAmen—to Ben’s comments—-i could’nt have said it better.i’m also a newbie and really appreciate
    your gift of writting and particularly your analysis–insightful and simlpe to understand.i also tried to breakdown the clues but in most cases ended up…you guessed it, clueless!thank you for the time and money in the future you saved all of us…..cg
    ps—-i already subscribe to Hulbert, but will renew thru sg….thanks again!

  29. Ben, I’ve been reading a lot on markets and workings. I think I could learn a lot faster if I were active, but only with a little money while I watch and learn. (Anyway, if I put in much all at once, it would come out of needs/bills-yuk) But how/where do you start with only $20.00 or any small amount? It would be very exciting to be actually doing and moving money so I begin to know that I can! – Thanks loads

  30. Please someone tell me where to start small. Things I check out require things like $2,000 deposit. How would one start small, especially online? And how do you start in penny stock at all?
    Thanks!

  31. Tess, unless you have a minimum amount of equity, it’s probably not worth investing because of transaction fees. You’d be spending a good chunk of the $20 just to make the trade.

    If you just want to get a feel for the process, there are some online brokers that allow you to paper trade.

  32. You asked for opinions on Trusts. I've done quite well with Natural Gas in the US
    Mainly CPNO, I purchased this year on an option at 15. per share now trades over $30. and pays 2.30 @ year. LINE. I bought a couple of years ago for 12.50 it trades over $36 and pays 2.64 annually.. If Congress will get us off the Oil kick and onto Natural Gas, which we have 3 times more of than Saudi Arabia has Oil. These stocks will be even richer.

    Thank you – would appreciate your opinion GumShoe

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