Deciphering Motley Fool’s “R.I.P., INTERNET: 1 Explosive InterWorld Stock for 89x your Money by 2020″

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Another Motley Fool growth stock to sniff out for you today …

David Gardner has gotten a reputation as a compelling “rule breaking” growth stock picker over the past few decades, with some huge winners chosen (and held through very tumultuous times) as he built the Motley Fool with his brother Tom.

The flagship Motley Fool Stock Advisor newsletter has gotten more and more inexpensive over the years as they’ve cut the price to bring in more readers and get them into the “upgrade cycle” for their more expensive services, but the performance of that letter has still been good on average (beating the broad market quite handily over the last decade) as it features the ongoing battle between value-focused Tom and growth-focused Dave.

Now, that doesn’t mean David Gardner picks only great-performing stocks — like most growth investors, his portfolio is presumably very patchy, with substantial losers mixed in with the 1,000% winners — but it does mean that we stand up and pay attention when he starts teasing a new stock … partly because we’re curious about what tombstoneit might be, and partly because the marketing prowess of the Motley Fool means we’re going to get lots of questions from our readers whenever they come out with a new pitch.

So what’s today’s spiel? Well, as with a lot of the recent Fool ad letters it’s not actually signed by David Gardner, the ad comes from Fool analyst Lyons George, and here’s how he gets us interested:

“They’ll Call 2014 the Year the Internet Died… But You’ll Just Call It ‘The Year I Made My Millions’

“Silicon Valley is dancing on the Internet’s grave — and gearing up to cash in on the birth of an even BIGGER market.

“From solving traffic jams to weighing soup cans…
“From catching terrorists to watching television …
“From modern medicine to professional football…
“And dollar for dollar, insiders are calling for the biggest new market in the history of capitalism…”

He goes on with some thinly veiled cites of commentary by John Chambers (referred to just as “John”) about revamping Cisco to help grow with “the mystery market bigger than the Chinese economy” that’s projected to become a $14.4 Trillion market … so of course we’re curious. $14.4 Trillion is big (and yes, it is more than the current annual GDP of China).

The $14.4 Trillion number they’re throwing around as an estimate is for the year 2020 (the number was dramatically lower recently, $44 billion for 2011, the ad says), so it’s crazy growth but it’s within the somewhat foreseeable future, and that’s the target time period for this stock as well — apparently David Gardner thinks this one can make you a return of 89X your money on this pick, turning your $500 investment into $44,500.

So what’s this secret market? More from the ad:

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“4 Words, 1 Can’t-Miss Opportunity… Get in NOW on ‘The Internet of Everything’ …

“When it comes to investing in game-changing new technologies, history has proven time and again that the real money isn’t in the invention of something…

“The real money is in the implementation….

“Why NOW is the final stage of the Digital Era’s ‘Implementation Gap’

“Put simply, the Internet of Everything is the final stage of the Internet’s progression….

“The Internet — and all the potential for progress it brings with it — is about to move from “Internet-Only” objects to EVERYDAY objects…

“Meaning tens of billions of regular ‘things’…

“Sidewalks and cereal boxes…minivans and dress pants…the lawn mower in your shed and the pillows on your bed…

“Will soon be connected together in an Internet of Everything….

“The Death of the ‘Internet’ — and the birth of the ‘InterWorld’”

OK, so it’s the “Internet of Everything” or the “Internet of Things” that we’ve been hearing about for a decade now — is it really going to happen? The promise has been the refrigerator that knows when you’re out of milk and orders it for you, the car that sends your husband a message when you’re running late, smart clothes that know when they’re dirty or when your heartbeat is erratic, etc., the sensors and controllers everywhere that interact with the digital world. And lots of it is possible now and has been possible for a while, depending on how much you want to spend, though integration into the consumer economy might be coming at unpredictable speeds.

[My favorite product that fixes a problem I've never had? the $70 egg tray that tracks which eggs are oldest and should be used first and syncs with an app on your phone. An app. For deciding which egg to use and telling you when you're running low. I'm lucky if I remember to take them out of the carton and put them in the tray in the first place, I'm certainly not going to sync the egg tray with my phone. But you get the idea -- sensors and wireless stuff is now cheap enough that someone green-lighted this project, and people are buying it.]

And, as you might have guessed by now, we’re told that there’s “one small company” at the heart of this that will make us rich, with 89% annualized gains over the next six years:

“… regardless of how you feel about the revolutionary technological shift the InterWorld represents, the facts of the matter are painfully clear:

  1. The InterWorld revolution is already underway — and gaining momentum at an incredible pace.
  2. There is exactly one company that sits at the very heart of the InterWorld market…and it stands to rake in hundreds of billions of dollars between now and 2020.

“Most investors haven’t heard about the InterWorld yet — they’re still busy trying to figure out when Apple will release another piece of ‘iJunk’.

“But those savvy individuals who HAVE clued into this opportunity are going all-or-nothing into the ONE small-cap company that stands to grow in lockstep with the InterWorld market.”

So yes, finally we get to the hints and teasers about this little stock … or, as we like to call ‘em here, “clues”:

“In a small town just North of Seattle, one company isn’t just ‘riding’ the InterWorld wave…

“With every product it ships out the door, it’s making the wave happen.

“Its technology is the final piece of the InterWorld puzzle — much like the internal combustion engine completed the auto industry, and the cathode-ray tube made it possible to put a television in every living room in America.

“Its customers include everyone from city planners to video-game designers… from auto manufacturers to fire departments… from a tiny coffee-machine company all the way up to General Electric and Chrysler Motors.

“It is the definitive leader in its space…

“With a dominant market share and over 350 issued patents…

“In short, it’s a no-brainer for anyone who wants direct exposure to the InterWorld market’s +8,937% growth in the coming years.”

And we’re also told that this stock has already gained 127% this year, so there’s another clue (David Gardner always says he doesn’t really start to like a company until Wall Street is screaming about how “overvalued” it is).

A few other clues roll across the transom, too, including that RBC Capital reiterated it at “overweight” on October 9, and that Royce just upped its holdings to 1.1 million shares, and the Swiss National Bank just started buying.

That’s probably enough to feed into the gaping maw of the Mighty, Mighty Thinkolator and get our answer — but first, let’s just share a little bit of the spiel from the Fool about what this company sells and does:

“… the physical objects that will make up this ‘huge brain’ need to be outfitted with devices that allow them to ‘talk’ about what’s happening…

“That’s where ‘embedded wireless modules’ — the flagship product of this exceptional little company — come into play.

“Like the copper wiring that enabled a once-fledgling technology known as “electricity” to cover the globe, wireless modules are at the very center of the InterWorld’s explosive growth trajectory.

“WIRLESS MODULES: The ‘Copper Wiring’ of the InterWorld Era …

“… within every wireless module that this company sells lies the power for it to analyze what’s happening to the object it’s embedded in, and then transmit that data back to the appropriate destination.

“And considering that experts are projecting the number of wirelessly embedded devices to balloon from 1.5 billion to 50 billion by 2020, it’s a safe bet that the demand for these modules is going to be massive for years to come.”

Then we have one final bit that caught my eye in the ad:

“The company I’m writing you about today is that rarest of finds…

“An experienced player, in a niche space set for extreme growth, with an absolute stranglehold over its market.

“As I already mentioned, the fact that this company is the hands-down leader in its space with over 350 issued patents already has some forward-thinking investors (and Wall Street sharks) on the move…

“After all, it’s not every day you see a business with a ‘competitive moat’ that wide!

“But here’s the real icing: even though the InterWorld market is just now taking off, this company has been perfecting this technology for over 16 years…

“Meaning it has all its ducks in a row to fully exploit a once-in-a-century hyper-growth business environment while its competitors are still wondering who turned the lights on! …

“Realistically speaking, if you have a few thousand dollars of dry powder lying around…

“This will most likely be the last stock you — and your family — will ever need….”

Any financial advisor will probably tell you that there is no such thing as “the last stock you will ever need,” and that this kind of thinking is dangerous to your financial health … but still, as every financial copywriter knows, hope springs eternal. We all want those 8,000% gains to make us more comfortable in our golden years (or to make it so we can afford to buy $70 egg trays without blinking an eye).

So after all that, what is our “secret” stock? Secret no more, this is: Sierra Wireless (SWIR)

Sierra Wireless is a small Canadian tech company (yes it’s in a “small town North of Seattle” — Richmond, British Columbia), and they have indeed been on a tear this year, getting up to $20 a share for the first time since the financial crisis (they’ve dipped down a bit recently, shares now just under $18 as I type). They have a market cap of about $500 million, so quite tiny, and they’re expensive based on either trailing or forecasted earnings but do also have a large cash pile of about $6 a share (and no debt).

If you account for the cash, you can say that the shares trade at a forward PE of only about 24 (50 cents in earnings in 2014 expected), which sounds a bit more reasonable than the numbers look at first blush, but it’s still expensive — particularly because analysts are baking in pretty low growth expectations for the future. So it looks like David Gardner is making a big picture argument that SWIR is going to see much higher demand for its products in the coming years, with good revenue and earnings growth, and the Wall Street (OK, Bay Street) analysts are forecasting something a lot more tepid.

Sierra Wireless is going “all in” with this “Internet of Things” with the sale this year of their AirCard business (that’s their mobile broadband product) to NetGear, and that sale resulted in what looks like a huge earnings number this year (that’s why the trailing PE looks amazingly low — most of that $2+ in trailing earnings isn’t operating earnings). That basically allows SWIR to put the full force of the company behind their “machine to machine” products, referred to as M2M, that are a key enabler of this network of intelligent devices. Here’s how they put it in the press release about the sale a few months ago:

“This transaction is the next step in our transformation into a company focused on enabling the ‘Internet of Things’ – a strategy we have been pursuing with great success since 2007,” said Jason Cohenour, President and CEO of Sierra Wireless. “We are the world leader in this dynamic market, with the industry’s broadest product lineup, solutions across the value chain and an extensive, blue-chip customer base. In addition to realizing a solid return for the AirCard business, this transaction will provide significant financial resources and capacity to accelerate our growth in M2M and connected device solutions.”

So … that’s a large part of why the shares have doubled this year — optimism about that “internet of things” and their leadership of the M2M market and ability to get out of the AirCard business with a profit. Analysts haven’t allowed their expectations to boom along with the stock, but clearly David Gardner is all over it as a long term play — so really, your quick reaction to this stock will probably come down to whether you agree with Gardner about the huge growth potential of the “InterWorld” or agree with the analysts in their skepticism about the next year’s earnings. Or you could find both arguments compelling, of course, and think that SWIR will enable amazing things in the future but might be too expensive today.

Me? I dunno. It’s hard to think they could fall more than 50% from here, given their huge cash pile, but I also don’t know much about the business yet or where most of their revenues come from, and I don’t know about any potential competition. I’ve seen estimates that they hold about a third of the market for M2M modules and they have a lot of “blue chip” clients in electronics and automotive and other sectors, but that leaves two thirds of the market to … who? I dunno. I also don’t know anything about their patent position, other than the fact that they do say they have more than 350 patents.

To me it looks like it’s worth researching, but all I’ve done so far is confirm that this is certainly the stock they’re pitching and take my quick gander at their books. What do you think? Let us know with a comment below.

Oh, and a quick P.S. — this is an excerpt from that latest reiterated buy recommendation by RBC’s analyst when they raised the price target to $20 … this came out on October 9, when the stock was between $17.50-$18, just like it is today:

“M2M Comes into Vogue: Raising Target

“We are reiterating our Outperform recommendation and raising our price target on Sierra Wireless from $16 to $20. Investor enthusiasm for M2M and the Internet of Things has raised the valuation multiple on Sierra Wireless and its peers. We see more room for upside and believe Sierra’s leadership warrants a multiple towards the mid-point of M2M peers.”

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158 Responses to Deciphering Motley Fool’s “R.I.P., INTERNET: 1 Explosive InterWorld Stock for 89x your Money by 2020″


    • Swir, PE now is 10.13 the Forward PE is 44.32?? This is a BIG RED LIGHT?
      Institution Holdings is 29% ?
      Beta is 0.96
      Operating cash flow is 33.3 Million
      Levered cash flow is 1.84 Million ??
      Quarterly Earning growth Year to year is -84.50% OUCH

      What does this all mean? ANYONE?

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    • i just hope it’s not a personal privacy stock/product because there is a huge political awakening with privacy

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  1. Many thanks for the decode, it has to be worth a punt as I’ve not lost a penny on MF tips so far. Then again, my very modest investment in Berkshire Hathaway has out done the MF tips I’ve followed.

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  2. I like this reco from MT. I bought 100- shares of Netflix at about $10 years ago on their reco and it had doubled that year and had a high P/E but the growth of their customer base that followed made that irrelevant (and put a lot of video stores out of business). It is over $300 now (after a one year swoon from near there down to about $60 and back up again) and still has a high P/E ratio. It has been one of my best holdings though I sold some off early to cover my cost. I like wireless modules not because they enable smart egg trays that I don’t need (and no-one does in my opinion) but because they do things that in years past were expensive to do like installing an alarm system with sensors all over the house (or your business). Those used to be all hardwired back to your basement where ADT mounted their equipment on the wall. Running all those wires from smoke sensors, motion sensors, and door sensors took a lot of cutting up your drywall and drilling holes and pulling wires through rafters, attics, and air vents. Vivint just installed a system in my home and all the sensors are wireless. They all communicate back to one hub, the control panel by the entrance, that is plugged in the wall. There is even a wireless key-ring fob to use to turn it on and off. I watched the two guys install all the sensors in about 30 minutes. I was impressed. Wireless devices don’t just offer things no-one uses yet that who knows will catch on. They offer better ways to do things we already do which is why I will buy a position (or maybe two).

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  3. Mr. Gum Shoe, love your articles ( ! ). What can you tell us about the “770″ plan or whatever, that big banks use to make exceptional interest on their money while paying their customers paltry amounts on deposits ? I think Money Morning, or Money Map promoted this ?? Thanks so much. Dave

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  4. ………’Mind-bogglingly, 90% of all the data in the world was produced in the last two years alone. ……….recently agricultural giant Monsanto announced it will pay $930 million to buy The Climate Corporation, a Big Data startup that specialises in monitoring weather patterns for crop farmers. ……….on a conference call with analysts on Wednesday, Monsanto said that it now plans to spend north of $1 billion on data generation every year.’
    I guess thats where the revenue comes from.

    I know you guys are not keen on UK stock, but some might be interested to research Fusionex (FXI. Lon) @ £3.15…………. ”What Fusionex does is to help companies make money and stay ahead of the competition by interpreting the vast streams of data we are now collecting. It does this by providing information to support decision making – serving banks, telecoms, airlines and car manufacturers. Its clients include Air France, Air Asia, Ford, FedEx, RBS and Shell. Fusionex enjoys a strong reputation in the marketplace which is includes a great relationship with Microsoft. Take a look at this video of Microsoft’s Bob Baker explaining what they hope to get out of partnering with Fusionex to see what I mean. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8wN2DwuAU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUlvA6Qn7vHK06dCzFev-pNQ) The company also works closely with IBM, HP and Dell among others. So far they have never had a project cancelled, an implementation fail, nor a customer leave them. CEO Ivan Teh owns 51%. No shareholders sold on the IPO.’

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    • Liked your comments, have tried finding info on Fusionex (FXI.Lon) but have been unsuccessful. Tried Scottrade (where I invest my IRA $), Yahoo Finance, CNN and the Motley Fool site. They all don’t recognize the stock. Is there anyplace to get information without paying for it? If the stock looks like a good investment, is there a way to invest if my discount broker doesn’t handle it?

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      • The focus of this sub thread is changing from recco’s, into ‘why do you guys have so much problem trading UK stock when its the oldest and probably the second most active market in the world?’ I’d dearly like to understand it. I live in UK and I can trade just about all the main markets around the globe, with my staid old online bank system (except OTC: but even that only requires a call to the bank’s in house broker staff). Equally Google/Yahoo. If I type fusionex, I get 76k references. Do we have different internets? (Ha ha…I got my answer already: internets is flagged as a spelling mistake coz theres no plural) BTW I dont own fusionex but I do have a stink bid in.
        Im not sure if this is allowed on GS, so Travis can delete it if he likes; but a v good source of info for uk stock prices/research is http://www.lse.co.uk…its free and you wont need to type the .Lon, just fxi (or whatever) in the search. I know this works from US as another GS friend (Hi Pockets) accesses it from US. Good luck all.

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    • Had a really good look into Fusionex, while i was doing it the share price has gone from £4.23 to £5.39 in five days! i think your right it looks like a fantastic buy even at that price! with the customer base they have and expansion into Hong Kong should be a sound buy!
      Can’t say i understand the hype about Sierra Wireless having looked into them but think i’ll buy £1000.00 might be worth £ 89000.00 in five years!!!

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      • ”……Fusionex (FXI) announced results, which were a little better than expected. Revenues grew by 42% in the year to September. Gross margin and the net cash balance were highlights as was a client renewal rate of over 95%…… GIANT is a premium product, expecting to sell for an average price three to five times the $100,000 achieved by FXI’s Business Intelligence product…..hopes to convert the three paid pilot projects into sales during this quarter. Each initial contract could be worth in the $1m region…. hopes to follow through with another eight to ten new GIANT customers over the coming months.
        A key driver for sales in the medium term will be the partner channel where deals have been announced with Big Data platform specialists HortonWorks and Cloudera. The shares are up by 67% on October with most of the move coming in the last month. While I expect them to consolidate this move, the growth story remains intact.”

        Your call !

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  5. A competitor seems to be Novatel, with $319 million/year revenue vs $433 million/year for SWIR. However, Novatel is priced far lower, with a market cap of $72 million vs $559 million for SWIR. Novatel loses money and plenty of it.

    Other competitors are low-cost Asians. Is this the future of this business? It has been for everything else electronic, but for this this will not be now, it will be 5-10 years from now I think, maybe, possibly.

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  6. Now I see that little Novatel made today’s front page of WSJ about how their CEO pumped and dumped his company’s stock in 2007. Stockholders are suing. Other companies mentioned for apparent pump-and-dump moves include Isia, STEC, and Aruba, all in microelectronics. Any CEO who does this is flagrantly psychopathic because he expects the stink will not cling to him. It should be good news for SWIR that a major competitor is not trustworthy.

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    • “…each one of those wireless sensors needs a battery…”
      Wondering who will be the next play on battery power for all those wireless devices? Or, will some other technology arrive on the scene to keep these devices running? Induction thru wall (near a 110V wire) to charge devices? TSLA must believe in battery power.

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    • Wolfgang… I began thinking the same thing. I see another huge layer of “cancer” from more electromagnetic radiation from all these connected “egg trays” and such. The news above about Monsanto buying a data aggregation company makes me think of the other reasons why cancer is on the increase in our society (Genetically Modified Organisms, or; GMO’s).

      I have been caring for a good business associate/friend who had a bout with Pancreatic cancer and as a result, learned a great deal about cancer, what causes it, and how to cure it. I want to speak to Travis about how we can all make some money on helping people help themselves. The “obvious” is often the most elusive… what one can learn from the pain of others is without parallel.

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      • Jeff, you are so right. I, myself am trying to find out how to invest in ethical companies. Monsatan is causing unprecedented health hazards. They do not want their poison foods labeled in any way. We should ask ourselves, WHY? They own the president, and the Congress. If you know of any Mutual Funds that specialize in “ethics” to help humanity, I would like to know. Thanks. Nancy

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        • Sites that list “socially conscious” mutual funds are http://www.ussif.org/ and http://www.socialfunds.com/. Each “socially conscious” fund has its own criteria for what it invests in; you would have to examine the criteria of each to see if they match what is “palatable”. Some funds screen only on guns/tobacco/alcohol; others look at environmental responsibility. nodirtygold.org has a publication, “Troubled Waters: How Mine Waste Dumping is Poisoning our Oceans, Rivers and Lakes,” at http://nodirtygold.earthworksaction.org/impacts#.Ut3r-vZOnhM that lists mining companies that have been naughty. At the same time, you can click on “Better Mining”; it appears that Anglo American is a founding member of the Initiative for Responsible Mining Assurance (IRMA) which is formulating voluntary standards for good environmental and social practices. At seekingalpha.com, you can search for articles by Tom Konrad, who writes on green energy stocks.

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          • The misinformation about genetically modified organisms and any potential they may have to cause disease is shocking. We’ve been eating GMOs ever since the pilgrims learned how to cross two different strains of corn to produce a third, blight-resistant strain. The only difference in the modern, much-feared genetically modified organisms is that since we now know the plant’s entire genome, we can take a piece of DNA from, say, a potato plant, which is not susceptible to corn blight (in this for-instance), and substitute it for the piece of corn DNA that makes the gene product that makes the corn susceptible to the blight, thus making the corn blight-resistant. In this way, we can avoid dumping oceans of chemicals on our food, because we have made the corn plant intrinsically resistant to the blight.
            As for worries that the “Frankenfoods” might somehow jump the ditch and change OUR DNA–well, folks, for a whole lot of reasons, that simply does not happen. Not the least of those reasons is that DNA is denatured–killed–by the acid in our stomachs. And of course, plants and animals run on completely different systems. For instance, plants make energy by converting sunshine to plant material. Animals make energy by consuming plants and animals and making it into flesh. They do this via incredibly complex systems of enzymes and chemical messengers, which work on entirely different infrastructures. Plant DNA is not capable of changing people DNA.
            Is it possible to genetically engineer people? Absolutely! Wonderful new treatments are in the pipeline which would enable diseases like Cystic Fibrosis to be cured by gene splicing. We’re already seeing babies who are born with HIV, cured by stem-cell therapy, which is just another form of genetic modification.
            One thing that is possible in GMO crops is cross pollination with wild-type or non-modified plants. This might result in your own garden corn becoming disease-resistant, but since all commercial corn crops are detasseled in order to prevent wind-pollination, even that possibly beneficial side effect is unlikely.
            If anyone is able to explain to me in cogent scientific terms how GMO foods can harm human beings (and I mean “cogent scientific,” not “panicked ’cause I heard it at Whole Foods”), I would be truly grateful–and for once I’m not being sarcastic.

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          • The danger of GMO is not the Frankenfruit hype. The danger is that they are making corn and soy that is resistant to Roundup and other chemicals. So they are lacing fields with these chemicals to kill weeds without harming their crop. Well, we are eating the corn and soy (in hundreds of different forms) in mass. The concern is the absorption of the chemicals into the vegetables, which can now absorb more than ever before, and the amount that we are consuming. So no, this doesn’t go back to the pilgrims. Responsible, selective breeding is a wonderful thing. Eating Round up is probably not healthy.

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          • Laura, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
            Breeding two types of corn together, something that can also happen naturally, is nothing like what happens in GMOs, where plant DNA can mixed with insect or animal DNA in a completely unnatural process.
            Also you seem to have the common misconception that the DNA for the desired trait is surgically spliced into the target organism’s DNA using DNA mapping. The reality is way more chaotic and random – they just smash the one organism’s DNA with the other randomly, combining who knows what traits, and then test for the trait they want by growing the result.

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        • Nancy – Your comments are a lot of conspiracy garbage. Let’s hear your evidence that Monsanto is causing health hazards; your evidence that they “own the president and the Congress.” With gullible dolts screaming that GMO foods are health hazards, how can you blame them for seeking to avoid labeling their food products as GMO. Try thinking and look for facts.

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          • Malcolm. You obviously are not caught up on the dangers of GMO. May I suggest a book – Seeds of Deception. I do not want to waste my time on your ignorance. Way too busy for that. There is so much information out there about GMO out there that I am surprised that there is anyone left who still believes in it – unless they have a vested interest in Monsanto. Do you? P.S. Dr. Oz also recently gave reasons why we shouldn’t be eating GMO foods. Organics may be more expensive, but at least they are not infused with roundup poison (found now in human breast milk) or massive pesticides that GMO fields are using on their crops. Hay, I say, Malcolm and people like you, eat all of them you want, the gene pool will get a little deeper once you die from their poison crops.

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          • Well, Nancy, interesting that you would like to end this conversation by wishing me dead. I don’t wish that for you, though your ignorance may well die a death of its own if you read articles written by actual experts. You might want to read and consider the response by Laura Schuman (of March 17th). Maybe you’ll wish her dead, too. Or maybe you’ll begin to see through your mental clouds. Good luck.

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          • Notice, Alan, that I did not wish anyone dead. That was Nancy of the conspiracy crowd. And with her conspiracy attitude, she likely is a guns-for-all enthusiast, too.

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    • Malcolm and Nancy – re: Your posts on comment 11 when commenting to each other:

      Your feelings / beliefs, no matter how strong, could have, and should have, been expressed in language that was not insulting..

      When you demean another, you also demean yourself. Sometimes, more so

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      • Great point Hi Pockets. You have the right attitude for me. Name calling and liberal mindsets especially in Washington are hurting our nation. We should all calm down and work together for solutions and not resort to low class name calling to make a point which as you said “When you demean another, you also demean yourself. Sometimes, more so”.
        http://www.debt.2fortune.com

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      • People who lack facts to make their argument, often resort to personal insults. Welcome the insult, it is the white flag of defeat.

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  7. Anyone interested in this market should check out u-blox Holding AG , on the Swiss exchange. I don’t own the stock, but have used their wireless products for years and found them to be excellent. The stock prices has almost doubled since the beginning of the year.

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  8. Your article states that SWIR has $6 per share cash and no debt. Thompson Reuters detailed stock report only give SWIR a 6 out of 10 regarding debt in its Fundamental Indicators section. Assuming you are correct about the zero debt, can you help me understand why a pile of cash on hand and no debt does not rate a 10?

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  9. I have looked at the “fine print” on the report and they were using stats from 06/13. Has the debt level changed significantly since then, possibly due to the sale of the card business you mentioned? Thanks!

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  10. Replacing copper wiring with wireless systems creates a vulnerabilty to jamming from high power transmitters driving high gain antennas. Jamming equipment could be installed in aircraft, cars and trucks. Millions of egg trays would go bonkers creating chaotic conditions for egg owners. Billions of eggs would be mistakenly thrown out, causing paralysis in the egg market. Civilization would have to revert to egg candling to avert enormous economic loss not to mention starvation. Millions of illegal alien scab laborers would have to be imported to provide affordable egg candling for Americans. Congress would have to pass the Affordable Egg Care Act to protect us from ourselves. Caveat emptor!!!!!!

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  11. Any ideas on what stock the Oxford Club is touting with their recent video regarding RNA Interference which is supposed to make a huge announcement within the next three months that will change the world? My guess is that they are pushing Biotime.
    Thanks,
    Eric

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  12. “the Internet of things” doesn’t look like all of the examples we’ve been told about any more than the Internet looks like what we saw in “the world of tomorrow” ride at Disney world… That is to say, the general concept is accurate and it’s just as impactful as its made out to be, but the details are totally different. It’s not taken off yet because people keep thinking it’s about connected egg trays and refrigerators that order more milk. What it’s really about is far more subtle and useful, and it’ll grow without fanfare. But the idea that this’ll have any sort of negative impact on the good ole fashioned Internet we all know and love today is ridiculous.

    I say all of this because I know more about the technologies than I do about the fundamentals involved with Sierra wireless, but I’ve found in the past when MF recommends a stock in a market I feel I understand and believe in, it’s turned out to be a winner.

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  13. I don’t know when MF started hyping SWIR but it’s up to $26+… The RNAi company they were touting was ALNY, also up.

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  14. ARMH is the company that kept appearing as I tried to analyze the article. It’s wrong but clearly a player in the IoT market. Anyone??

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  15. Zacs is giving SWIR a sell reco. Says it’s overbought. I’m adding to watch list to maybe buy after a “correction”. Gives me time to research first.

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    • You know, any video ad insults my intelligence. They repeat “key words and phrases” to the point of boredom. Then they keep saying ” we’ll give this secret information” over & over.
      All you have to do is keep on watching the video; and watching, and watching until you either go to sleep or turn the damn thing off. If they want my attention, send it in print. I can read a heckuva lot faster than they explain on the video. Love & Peace Duck

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      • Most of the video infomercials now have a printed version. Click the delete button and a popup will ask you to confirm you wish to delete or stay on page while a printed version appears on your screen.

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          • … the printed version is just as annoying; they used to reveal a few of the many stocks they tout in an article, but now they reveal no names; just ask you to subscribe to get the names. So, I have stopped reading. I look at the headline, and head over to Travis and Gumshoe, and start a search.
            Thanks Travis.!

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  16. I am impressed with Stock Gumshoe AND with Motley Fool, but unimpressed with Motley Fool’s wasting my time and wireless gigabytes money listening to their lengthy, insipid videos breathlessly pitching their secret stock-pick-of-the-day.
    Thanks for being you.

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    • You don’t have to listen to the insipid video’s- at least in Firefox- when you close the tab, you will get a box that asks to Leave Page or Stay on Page, after about 10 seconds a page appears that has the video transcribed. You can then scan the information for the particulars and save an enormous amount of time!

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  17. SWIR is still in a long term bull trend. It fulfills all my requirements as a buy. Set stop at 22.25 with stock at 25.6 at present.

    Richard

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  18. Interesting how these sites end up recommending a stock after it has just gotten done TRIPLING (up 400 %0 in ONE YEAR). How about recommending this a year ago when it was $ 8 ??

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  19. The success of SWIR will depend on what gadgets it comes up with that will be practical and needed by the mass of the general population like the invention of the traveling suitcase with wheels and not egg sensors. I just saw on the news yesterday that a China Company has made a sensor to be worn by kiddy garden and lower primary school kids so the school computer can track to see if they have board and left the school bus as they should be and also can be found if they get lost or get kidnapped any where any time. That would really put their parents mind at peace. Its the idea and the practical application of it that spell success. Yes, also look out for cheap competitors from China.

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    • I mentioned it in an email a week or two ago, that’s the “American Prius” pitch in which he’s teasing Westport Innovations (WPRT) again. Haven’t covered them lately, but have written about them a great many times over the years. Finally getting less expensive again, but also has been one of those companies that is “just a year or two away from profitability” since 2008. They have never posted a profit and ramped up R&D and selling expenses again over the last two years, so I’ve learned not to trust them as a “real” company but they are looking more appealing as a “story” again now — someone will get excited and blow up the story again. They are a technology leader in natural gas engines, a feasible technology that should be pushed, I think, but that is also dependent on massive infrastructure rollout (like fueling stations) — they just haven’t been able to turn that technology into enough revenue growth. Their partnership with Cummins, Cummins Westport, was profitable for a long time but they haven’t been able to turn that into success in either larger or smaller vehicles on a large enough scale (Cummins Westport makes nat gas engines for the best market for this technology, fleet vehicles like buses and garbage and delivery trucks).

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      • I have Westport Innovations to thank for discovering Tesla Motors. I had been watching Westport in the Stocks app on my phone as a result of reading about them either here or on Motley Fool or both – and Tesla’s name came up in a related story. That was in the fall of 2012 and the rest is history…

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  20. I also think Orbcomm (ORBC) is part of that 2/3 hidden market. Many of the M2M companies are private (waiting for some IPO?) like Jasper Wireless or Electric Imp…The SVB Analytics presentation is eye opening (posted by Mr. Johnson). Now suddenly the acquisition of Nest Labs by Google makes perfect sense.

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  21. As the keynote speech at a new-technology exhibition, Intel said they have developed a tiny chip that is as powerful as a laptop. Clearly they have their eyes set on the internet of things too, and they need a new market to compensate for the falling sales of laptops. A chip in everything would mean selling a lot more chips. Ok, egg boxes may be stretching it (although quite possible), but it sounds very sensible to embed a chip in your washing machine etc that monitors its performance and wifi feedsback the data so that the maker can see where the faults are and how a typical user employs the thing…………it makes all their customers a test bed for developing/honing their product. It would also allow you to be alerted to problems on the horizon and get it fixed before it breaks. This will have a profound impact on the insurance sector. You will also see that Google is/has developed a contact lens that analyses your tear drops to warn of medical/diet problems. Its funny that we all thought robots would look like Robbie or 3PO; in fact it’ll be more like R2D2, a vacuum cleaner with a wifi chip inside telling you your dog needs a bath !
    Ok intel probably wont make you a 100% profit in a month, but if they are going to sell a lot more chips, you know where your money can be stored safely.

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  22. If we are in the “sci-not-so-fi” or “sci-fu” (science future) territory, remember that the endoscopy capsule (a pill looking thing one swallows with tiny camera inside that makes endoscopy tubing obsolete) may pave the way to injectable blood borne “bots” that could replace angiography, clean blood clots, strokes, etc, just like in the movie “Fantastic Voyage” sans miniature people. All you need here are tiny size, communication with the outside and easy removal after the job is done. And “blood work” would mean it happens inside you…

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  23. So this stock was supposed to be revieled by Motley Fool on the 30th. Can anyone confirm that it was indeed SWIR?

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    • Maybe it was the partnership with Intel. He was teasing a significant partner that would be revealed before the end of the quarter or something.

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  24. Novatel (NVTL) is also in the wireless/embedded modules business (in fact its chief rival is listed as SWIR) , they own a company named Enfora (Optimize Cloud-Based Service Deployments or, the software side of IoT).

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  25. I lust lisened to the MF sales pitch on SWIR and started to look into this stock only to find the following on the MF website for stocks to be wary of! So which is it MF, buy or avoid? This contradictory information raises serious questions about the value of MF Advice.
    “Wireless communications equipment maker Sierra Wireless (TSX:SW)(NASDAQ:SWIR) is another company to be wary of. The firm reported revenue growth of 8.4% to $118.6 million in the quarter, but still reported a loss. Higher operating and R&D expenses hurt earnings. Sierra Wireless lost $1.95 million (-$0.06 per share) compared to a profit of $15.5 million ($0.50 per share) last year.”

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  26. http://www.svb.com/uploadedFiles/Blogs/Russ_MacTough/internet-things-report.pdf

    I recommend everyone to look at this (posted above). This presentation discusses that any IoT company (and this is version 2 now!) is facing difficulties if its revenue is below 10 million. “…These companies lack economies of scale and struggle to keep their production costs (COGS) in check.” Just like the pitch on the iWatch, there are many possibilities to invest in this trend and SWIR is just one of them. I think SWIR will recover, but their will be a stiff competition for this market.

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  27. Consider the Google investment in Nest, their push into robotics and more recently the Israeli company purchase that has voice enabled password software to see the potential here. I’m going long SWIR when the market reopens and might hedge with NVTL.

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  28. I am no Price/Volume virtuoso, but it does seem that SWIR is about to bounce up. The SWIR/NVTL seems like a good hedge. I also bought some OrbComm (ORBC) and they are on the move, too. It seems that the two major technology trends will be the wearable electronics (iWatch, etc, here the INVN, STM are interesting) and the “IoT” (look at SMT and possibly some upcoming IPOs of Jasper Technologies, Electric Imp). Somewhere in between there is the NFC (Near Field Communication) idea with NXPI.

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  29. Oh really? A Canadian tech stock? Might sound like a good short, except for one thing: these companies tend to go bk so fast, they de-list within minutes of venturing outside the protective Canadian cocoon.

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  30. Hi Travis, thanks for this – I’m really interested in SWIR and the M2M industry, there really is massive potential there. What is your expectation of what might possibly be happening on March 31st though? Could it be that March 31st is the date of Apple’s spring launch [possibly iWatch], which might reveal a collaboration with Sierra Wireless?

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  31. Thank you for deciphering which stock they were talking about. I just listened to the whole spiel for over 20 minutes and the promise was he would disclose the stock pick by the end. He never discloses it and only pitches a fool membership. I was so disappointed by this obviously fraudulent sell tactic that I will never ever trust the FOOL again. They should fire this guy for being such a cliche sales person for their company’s membership. A supreme waste of my time leaving me with only upset/angry emotion associated with the FOOL organization…Fire this guy for having no integrity and playing with words in such a salesy manner. Thank you STOCKGUMSHOE for giving us the answer to their twenty minute empty promise…

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    • I am very disappointed in MF for this sneaky tactic and the version I listened to was over 49 boring minutes long with only hints of the company being promoted. from what I gleaned, I Googled, “embedded wireless modules” and Sierra popped up with others. In checking out Sierra, I saw that their CEO was Jason Cohenour (only company of that nature with CEO Jason). I also saw that the company was located in British Columbia (north of Seattle), so I assumed it was the company MF was touting. Then I found the Gumshoe report which verified my suspicions (thanks GS). Most of these responses are from Feb 2014 or before but please note that they are still putting out this garbage as of May 24th 2014. As usual, these companies make most of their money sucking in people like us to subscribe to their predictions and NOT necessarily by practising what they preach! I do not have tens of thousands of disposable income to invest as many of you do, but I do try to invest wisely when I can. One thing I have learned over the years is that I would have made more money in the long term if I had just left my money in slow, steady fixed income funds rather than having much of it in high growth stocks etc. One fund dropped nearly 80% of its value and I was tempted to bail and lick my wounds, but I stayed the course (several years later) and they bounced back to now making a 3% gain since inception. I could have made a steady 4 to 5% on the fixed route with no headaches or worries. Best Wishes to all.

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  32. There might be serious problems when solar flare occurs,creating radio wave radiation, we dont know what will happen once these millions of devices malfunction and creates chaos.

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  33. I’m a technologist, not an investor, can across the annoying MF report while searching for other things. Did a google on “Internet of Things, most patents” and it turned up SWIR!
    Its a potentially huge mkt, but 1) it dents mean the death of the Internet, it will DEPEND on the internet, 2. it has HUGE technical problems to overcome!

    Smart egg trays and fridges may be cool, but I’m looking more at medical technology (my field) and things like the recently announced ‘smart pill’ and booth kiosk that can perform basic diagnostics are all possibilities. SWIR is a hardware provider, but to make things work, you’ll need a software enabling technologies and big data-centres. The mkt is too big to have one dominant SW provider, and I don’t think it will. The cutting edge players are in the Open Source world (look at Raspberry Py, a full blown computer on a credit card). Beside egg-trays and fridges running amok, these are real threats – when it comes to medical devices. Once a ‘thing’ becomes a computer (which is what it is!) its open to a lot of threats. Think of somebody hacking your self-driving smart car, or the smart-pill that is suppose to deliver drugs directly into your blood stream! What about the security and integrity of data? Can a cracker hijack medical data, or worse modify it without it without anyone knowing? Or for that matter hijack and change the data being gathered from cornfields so that it gives different forecasts, which in turn affect markets etc… Or that you can steal someones ID off their RFID/NFC Passport from 10m away using radio-transmitting devices? Or what happens to mission-critical systems when a Solar flare hits! Or some group takes over the smart devices to form a massive zombie-net! Scary thoughts.
    All these have technical solutions, but it will drive up costs (your egg-tray ain’t gonna be a few cents…) and cause delays; as standard are worked out, tested and agreed upon. It aint gonna happen soon…

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  34. Like when the cardiologist of Dick Cheney was worried about someone hacking into his pacemaker…Encryption is going to be the key. Plus, just how controllable these things could be by someone/something unauthorized from the outside is a very valid question.

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  35. Hi everyone, recently I joined up and started to read and learn about stocks and investing . My question to you is “ under what stock name I can find this new thing abut RIP internet ?

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    • Alex the company being talked about here is Sierra Wireless – the symbol is SWIR. Good luck with your investments!

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  36. I nibbled on some SWIR last week. (after reading Travis’ report) I was led to Travis after listening to the long and boring MF presentation. After doing as much due diligence as humanly possible in a couple of days, I bought after the dip on Thursday 6th. I’m excited about this stock! Whats not to like? PE is a little high, but this shows huge promise.

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  37. First off, thanks to all who’ve helped clarify this earth-shatteringly annoying and sleazy, time-consuming video’s target. I get that industries of the future are where the money’s at and that even if these stocks are crap they can be terrific trading vehicles, but I took the liberty of looking at three-year charts, five-year charts: they didn’t compel. But if you really want a splash-water-in-the-face, wake-up-and-smell-the-coffee slap back to consciousness, take a look at the fifteen year chart. (The company seems to have gone public in 1999.) Talk about a sobering experience! I don’t even pretend to know all that much about The Street, but isn’t this just a boiler room operation?

    Seriously?

    p.s. Why should I ever listen to MF again?

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  38. Just wondering re the 31st March date for Sierra. Could it be a decision from the EC or US FTC regarding filing against Nokia ?

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  39. As to the March 3!st date stop & consider what the next day is…… Famous Congressional joke that went awry is when ketchup was proclaimed a vegetable for school lunch on April fools day, impossible to know when Congress is joking & when they are serious. Remember the opposite of progress is congress,,,no?

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    • More seriously the kind of tech being discussed is much more likely for high value items & is being used to monitor Rolls Royce jet engine performance for life of engine,, By auto manufacturers to see if customers are abusing the product,, more & more transportation entities to measure operator work rule violation,,think trucking, buses, trains, taxis etc etc.
      Coupled with GPS and ubiquitous cameras & communication surveillance huge amounts of data is being stored,,do we really need something to tell us the lettuce is wilted.

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  40. Having read down the whole comment page ,thanks for the incites on the M2Ms.With all the little batteries needed ,what companies will be providing wireless electricity to keep these batteries charged rather than changing them all the time? I’ve never invested yet and would like to start in something of worth to the future .Thanks!

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  41. I bought SWIR at 15.90 due to MF’s stock advisor and have been happy with it! (Love MF SA) They kicked off another FOOL area called supernova where the 10 stocks they were looking at prior to closing this off to non=supernova folks (like me) consisted of INVN, AMBA, AVAV, NVDA, DDD, IRBT..to name a few. Anyone looking at these stocks? I’m considering NVDA/AMBA/INVN seriously…I’m waiting for pullback but…thinking to just take a dive.

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  42. I learned the hard way years ago more then once. Stay away from Canadian Stocks!!!!
    Unless you like Ponzeeee Schemes
    I made a lot of money on one and lost a lot on more then one.

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  43. Had little joy in Canadian stocks, take care, the story may be compelling but keep in mind what could possibly go wrong, how many times will the shares be diluted to bring the resource to profit etc… etc… I’m no pro by any means but after lots of learning my mistakes I’m pretty handy these days. Unless you really want to gamble keep small percent of your efforts in”high risk”, can still be very rewarding if they play out long term.
    Anyway, back to the thread, anybody have insight into forthcoming 31st Mar news ?
    Have MF released any clues of late ?

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  44. I ended up with a different MF piece coming up in the Google alerts for work today, and having worked on the net over three decades now, felt obliged to witness the apocalyptic prediction of my field’s sudden and catastrophic demise. I rather like MF’s media appearances, historically, but this is about 85% horse hockey. It inclines me never to trust another bit of education or advice from them, and I work in technical marketing — I understand it’s a sales pitch.

    Most of the examples of the “internet of things” as it’s more popularly knownare possible today with gps, mobile apps, RFID/QRCODE, Nest, and smart materials. Some date from the late 70s pre-IBM PC KAYPRO home automation and 80s SNMP device control days. What we are doing is making the sensor and reporting unit (not controller) miniature, wireless, and powered long enough to matter even with a radio.

    RFID tags have passive radio serials in them, and no special programming. QRs are like bar codes that can load executable code to your device from the web, though of themselves they contain no more programming than the web address at the top of this page (but you should never scan a QR you aren’t sure ofits provenance).

    These new tags are like tiny microprocessors with tiny wifi broadcasters, and a write-only chip, I believe, for programming. Those of you with drive-by utility meter reading in large metro areas may have had a less miniature version hanging off your house since round about y2k. These were, in fact, the kinds of devices in power relays at that time that sensed and balanced power flows on the electrical grid, made with the cheapest bargain bin microprocessor chips, that we feared might leave us in darkness as the clock struck midnight coming into 2000.

    The reason they are not generally monitoring the integrity of bridges is that we frankly seem to not want the liability of knowing how rotten our infrastructure is, because then some incumbent would have to issue bonds or raise taxes, and heor she enjoys incumbency.

    The reason a key customer wouldn’t be named would be because they are in the pipeline — not signed — and ineligible to be announced. MF knows that damned well, and I should hope a lot of their market would.

    Like RFIDs, wireless modules face a lot of questions over privacy. Unlike RFIDs, they are born into an environment full of privacy laws, with a public newly sensitized to corporate devices collecting data. Unlike RFIDs, these modules have lots more “Minority Report” hysteria potential, with their lack of opt in and active radios. Expect not only jammers, but small frying devices to match their roll-out, meant to sabotage their use in retail and other non-consensual situations — giving “culture jammer” a more literal nuance.

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  45. Oh, and I forgot to mention — as someone else said, these devices depend on the internet or a local corporate LAN. But they are dumb as rocks compared to your cell, desktop, or game console, your net-enabled TV, your GPS, your cell-enabled security system, or most of the “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” monitors out there.

    They are components upon which solutions will be built. Not the health diagnostic shirt, but how it reads its tricorder and phones home. Vital, important, but not the Swiss Army knife represented.

    I get annoyed with this sort of fast talk. You need not worry about the net or the web dying by EOY.

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  46. So today is the 31st of March. Haven’t heard of the “internet funeral” yet. In regards to motely fool backing and then recommending to stay away, has anyone been able to contact them and ask what’s up Mr Gardener? Long term investment doesn’t worry me, playing both sides does. Anyone?

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  47. Now there is an interview with the CEO of yet another IoT company on the Fool website. It is CalAmp (NASDAQ: CAMP). In one year this stock went from $5.11 to $28.11. So there may be something in this M2M thing, even if the internet does not die just yet and we are still surrounded by Facebook Zombies.

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  48. I’ve read everything I can on this subject, sure it’s Sierra with no doubt, sure it wasn’t NEST they’re too limited (only my view). Can’t help thinking this big deal is actually in the pipeline and I’ll take a guess it involves CISCO or INTEL. I’ve never signed up to MF and sure won’t sign up to anything with such tedious marketing, really it’s tear gas ! Also as John Little warns above (#67) I’m very cautious on Canadian ponzee’s however just as one should never buy airlines (that thought prevented me buying UK:EZY (easy jet) two years back I’m going to put a small bet on the table and recognise it as high risk. Similar to going for a 36-1 shot on the roulette I guess. So “hey ho let’s go” one life etc……

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  49. The Fools are at it again by completely mis-framing the whole issue with another marketing gimmick. The Internet is not dying at all. What crap! In fact if anything it will continue to explode and expand as more of these wireless modules are deployed as part of IoT. Do they think we are the fools to believe what they feed us? If you want to invest in their recommendations that’s fine. But just understand the real reason.

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  50. After carefully reviewing as much of the publicly available information that I could find the conclusion that I arrived at is everyone has been completely and utterly blinded to the reality of the fact that without “The Internet” the world will simply cease to exist as we know it. The “InterWorld” is just a marketing hype to get the cash flowing necessary to finance the manufacturing and marketing campaigns needed to bring the “Internet of Things” to the masses that will be connected to the newly created and updated bio-metrically authenticated “Trusted Platform Managed” devices that everyone will come into contact with as they go through their daily routines. Oh and did I mention all of this begins and ends with massive amounts of data mining going on every second of every day being sold to the companies with the deepest pockets to insure that they can target their key demographic markets and sell them their next great product before the costumer even is aware he/she needs it. Think quantum computing on a global scale all of the “internet of things” devices will be interconnected and could/can possibly communicate via qbit OTA pipelines allowing for answers to questions we mere humans ask being answered before we have even asked them simply because of the sheer volume of available processors linked in parallel around the globe online running 24/7/365 . The long and short of it here are my recommendations for stocks to watch buy/hold then in 6 years sit back cash out and start your own MF newsletter because you were smart enough to realize its all about the marketing hype and as PT Barnum said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” ADBE , AMD , BAYRY , DTV , LNVGY , TMUS , and finally SWIR. Now out of that list of stocks the average 1 year return to date has been 38% approx. Rule of 72 says my money is going to double every 2 years at that rate of return. If I were to remove even just one stock from that list because it is the only single digit return stock listed AMD with a 8.4% return over the last year. My average only jumps up to 43% but my money doubles every 18/19 months. Thing is why would I take out one of the biggest chip manufactures on the planet for computing tech right when they are poised to bust out a single computer on a chip solution that will in fact make all of this technology a reality for the “Internet of Things connected via the InterWorld” M2M communications that will drive the global economy towards a global credit system that will be used to insure that we all pay are fair share of the life debt that is created out of the chaos that this entire global economy altering system will have for every single human being on this planet that is not living under a rock somewhere. So that’s my 2 cents worth invest, don’t invest your choice in the end you won’t be able to take any of the worthless paper with you when you are going to which ever version of the afterlife you happen to choose to believe or not believe in. Live Long and Prosper seems to be the appropriate way to end this. Thank you SGP for such a interesting and worthwhile forum to gain edification from after having been properly fleeced of my valuable time by reading/listening to MF for the last time.

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