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“Who Really Killed President Kennedy?”

Sniffing out "JFK's Super Currency" in the teaser pitch from Outstanding Investments

We see absurd hyperbole every day here at Stock Gumshoe, with promises of stocks that double or massive “free income” from various “top secret” trading strategies or… well, you know the drill, you get most of those same emails.

So after swimming in this sea of hype for almost a decade, I sometimes forget just how crazy it can be… but this “promise” is almost unbelievably misleading.

Here’s how Byron King teases the ridiculous potential of “JFK’s Super Currency” in his effort to sell subscriptions to Outstanding Investments (which has trailed the market, on average, for five years but beaten it over ten years, largely thanks to a focus on hard assets and commodities):

“At the very least, over the next 12 months I expect this ‘Secret Currency’ to multiply your money 10-times over.

“But this new Kennedy Revolution is absolutely unprecedented. And it’s starting to gather steam right now.

“People are not waiting for the Fed to demolish the dollar with its trillion-dollar money printing. They’re seeking to destroy the Fed instead and take their hard-earned money back.

“My point is, JFK’s Secret Currency could skyrocket 2,000%, 3,000%, or more.

“Of course as with any investment nothing is 100% safe, nothing is 100% guaranteed, but when it comes to an investment like this its upside potential has virtually no limits.”

Multiply your money ten times over “at the very least?” He may expect that, if he’s not in complete control of his faculties, but saying that as a financial pundit to a few million of your closest friends strikes me as frighteningly irresponsible.

All that is from the last version of this ad that ran in the Summer of 2014, they’ve done a little tinkering with it since then, changing “JFK’s Secret Currency” to “JFK’s Super Currency” and editing a few other parts, but the general idea is the same as it was last Summer. Most of what follows is from the original ad and our original answers, we’ll toss in some new tidbits where they’ve changed (if they have), and will append the original comments and discussion from the first time around so you can see that history.

You should never, ever, ever, ever “expect” anything to go up 1,000% in a year, if for no other reason than because that expectation would mean you’re left with little room to think rationally about risk or a reasonable portfolio diversification. It might happen once in a blue moon, with luck and speculation and a little bit of skill, but man, the idea that you can predict it and be correct even a small percentage of the time is goofy.

John Paulson, in one of the biggest and most successful bets in modern history, posted gains of 300-600% in some of his funds with his large short bet against subprime mortgages, and he undoubtedly had investments in those funds that did far better than that, but that’s by being on exactly the right side of the biggest market crash in our memory at almost exactly the right time… he’s famous because this doesn’t happen very often, so are we to expect that your $49 subscription to Byron King’s Outstanding Investments is getting you access to the Oracle of Agora?

It’s probably not illegal and may not even be evil, since they rightly note that nothing is guaranteed, and they don’t know what your financial situation is, and they are journalists sharing their opinion and analysis, not financial advisors telling you what to do… but still. Those paragraphs jump out more than most.

And, frankly, they make me want to find out what this “secret currency” is. If not so we can make 1,000% gains, then at least so we can defuse some of that hype… and see if it’s worth considering if you go in with expectations that are more rational.

So what is “JFK’s Secret Currency?”

Well, King does compare it to one of those “currencies” that went up by 1000% or more…

“It has all the potential of Bitcoin in its early stages…

“But, unlike Bitcoin, it has REAL VALUE.

“It’s a safer, more secretive and potentially more lucrative alternative.

“It’s not some fly-by-night technology trend.

“It’s not vulnerable to hackers.

“It has a proven track record of building wealth… and it works even during a power outage.

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“That’s why JFK’s Secret Currency could prove even more successful than Bitcoin….”

I led off today with the absurd prediction made by Byron King, but the real attention-getter for readers at the top of the ad is the implication that President John F. Kennedy was killed because he was on his way to instituting this “secret currency” …

“It was June 4, 1963… perhaps the most important day in recent American history…

“Although hardly anyone even remembers it.

“Just five months before his untimely death, President John F. Kennedy made a stunning announcement…

“A watershed moment that could have changed the course of America forever…

“He re-extended the right to print a currency, backed by hard assets, to the U.S. Treasury.

“This single act would have re-invented the dollar.

“It could have guaranteed a balanced budget and economic prosperity for future generations.

“And it could have prevented America’s 50-year downfall from greatness.

“But President Kennedy’s radical plan never came to be.

“Because on November 22, while visiting Dallas, Texas, gunmen fired on the presidential motorcade.”

So what’s he talking about? Executive Order 11110, which he says “some people” believe led directly to JFK’s assassination.

It’s hard to pick one conspiracy theory about the JFK assassination that’s goofier than the rest, and this one is far from being the worst (it does not, at least, involve space aliens)… but this is pretty goofy.

“You see, after the Kennedy assassination…

“These ‘Kennedy Dollars’ essentially vanished.

“First, they stripped it out of circulation as money…

“They even outlawed its use for some time.”

This conspiracy theory is not unique to Byron King and his ad, it’s just goofy — that particular executive order was essentially a housekeeping note, though it did involve the authority to issue silver certificates, and it was not an attempt to displace the Fed or to stop the fractional reserve banking system. And to extend the conspiracy in the way it has been extolled, no, the Federal Reserve did not kill JFK to quash silver. Even G. Edward Griffin, the guy who wrote The Creature from Jeckyl Island (bible to those who fight the Fed) and no stranger to conspiracies, thinks that’s silly.

U.S. money was already backed by silver or gold in the early 1960s, and coins were still actually made of silver, Kennedy was much more likely to be loosening that choke hold of an asset backed currency than he was to be tightening it — he was, after all, a politician, and he was trying to do away with Silver Certificates in favor of Federal Reserve Notes — but really, this particular executive order was and is a non-issue relating to whether the President or the Secretary of the Treasury had specific authority to issue some silver certificates while those certificates were being phased out. This particular conspiracy theory was really shepherded by Jim Marrs in his book Crossfire More on that here if you really want to delve into the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, The Fed’s conspiracy to kill JFK, or whatever. Or there’s a rebuttal to this “Fed killed JFK” story here as well. But really, JFK seemed to be moving away from a silver-backed currency just like subsequent politicians have.

So we can skip King’s conspiracy bit, realize that he’s talking about buying silver (or possibly gold) in some fashion, and dig a bit deeper to see what exactly it is he’s recommending. Here’s some more from the tease:

“Outlawed As Money for 50 Years…

“Over the years, an underground movement championed this monetary breakthrough…

“A select group of brave Americans kept JFK’s legacy alive and well.

“As a result, a subversive form of money — what I call JFK’s Secret Currency — quietly exchanged hands in every major city, and throughout every state.

“For instance…

“Larry Elie, a Maryland businessman, began buying one class of JFK’s Secret Currency because ‘he distrusted paper money.’ Decades later his efforts amassed a $55 million fortune thanks largely to it. As one editorial writes, ‘Elie spent less than $400,000 and realized a grand total of roughly $55 million – more than 100 times what he had paid.’ …

“Harry Archer started with just a small stake of $40,000 in JFK’s Secret Currency and turned it into a windfall of $1.9 million — a whopping 4,750% gain. Not bad. But in one instance, he even smashed that with an unbelievable 1,450-fold gain. That’s enough to turn every $1,000 invested into $1.45 million.”

Those are both fairly famous stories about 20th century coin collectors — “Larry Elie” is actually Larry Eliasberg, and his story is detailed here; “Harry Archer” is actually Harold Bareford, whose story is here. Like most fabulously successful collectors, they built collections of things — in this case, coins — that were not particularly popular or expensive while they were collecting, and the prices shot up as the hobby gained popularity and the scarcity of the coins they collected added huge value to their estates. The huge returns were not necessarily primarily from the value of silver or gold in the coins they collected, they were from the scarcity of the coins and the increasing popularity of coin collecting.

So is Byron King telling us to become coin collectors? Here’s more from the ad:

“This ‘Secret Currency’ could only stay hidden for so long.

“Recently, its potential was brought to light.

“And now that it’s considered legal tender in some areas it’s starting to go mainstream.

“As CNBC reports, ‘nowadays even the average investor can find profits’ in JFK’s Secret Currency.

“As it sweeps across America, changing hands and fortunes…

“It has the potential not only to hand you 1,303% gains in the months ahead…

“It could even put $1 million in your pocket on something that’s the size of a penny.

“Of course situations like these don’t happen every day…but as you’ve just seen, my research has shown plenty of gains like these in the past. And I don’t think there’s been a better time than right now.”

That piece quoted in CNBC was about the retail excitement over coin collecting and, perhaps more specifically, about the wave of excitement over gold and silver coins as those metals were rising in price and people hated stocks in 2009, you can see it here if you’re interested.

So is “JFK’s Secret Currency” some sort of silver coin? Here’s more from the ad:

“16 U.S. States are ‘Dumping’ the Dollar for JFK’s Secret Currency

“Utah has already adopted it.

“So has Arizona.

“Oklahoma followed two weeks later.

“And 13 other states are preparing to do the same.”

That is indeed true, or it was a year ago — now, as far as I can tell, four states have passed laws recognizing at least US government-coined gold and silver coins as legal tender. Which I’m pretty sure they already were, at least technically (No one has been dying to use an American Eagle silver coin with a nominal value of $1 to buy $1 worth of anything, from what I can tell, since the silver is worth $20 or so)… this is largely a symbolic and political move, trying to make a Ron Paul-esque stand against the Fed and their herculean (and misguided, depending on who you ask) efforts to push dollars into the economy to keep rates low, but it does have one substantial real-life implication: When something is a currency, you apparently don’t get taxed on capital gains when you exchange it for another currency. So in those states, or at least some of them (I haven’t checked the wording on all the laws), folks who take profits from selling these “legal tender” gold or silver coins after whatever the cutoff date is won’t pay state capital gains taxes on those profits. Which is unlikely to be a huge deal for most people, but is a real world impact. And no, they’re not “dumping the dollar.”

More from King:

“Ordinary people are circumventing the Fed and taking control of their money too, thanks to JFK’s Secret Currency.

“Rich… middle class… and poor…

“Conservative taxpayers… retirees… and even liberals…

“They’re all trading their dollars for it.

“In 2013, Americans traded $1.14 billion for it.”

Then there are a series of cryptic quotes from reputable sources like the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal about “small investors” who are “flocking to” or “fueling” the surge in “[JFK’s Super Currency]”. Those quotes are all about coins, mostly the regular old American Silver Eagle that’s widely sold as both a collectible and a bullion coin and which has generally been in high demand from the US Mint in recent years, but also the surge in interest in collectible and rare coins.

We know silver coins have had a resurgence in interest in recent years, particularly when silver itself has spiked up in price, but that stuff about rare coin auctions being standing-room-only shouldn’t be a surprise, either — the markets for high-end art and stamps and antiques and vintage automobiles have been surging too, thanks to the swelling ranks of global multimillionaires, so why not rare collectible coins as well?

And then we get silly again:

“This year, based on some of the projections I’ve seen from its track record, we could see gains as high as 1,303%.

Creating a whole slew of new millionaires… or even billionaires.

Truth be told, we could be at the precipice of one of the greatest explosions of new wealth in recent times.

We’re talking about $87 billion in REAL WEALTH moving away from paper dollars and into JFK’s Super Currency.”

So clearly, then, this is a general tease for the return of silver (and maybe gold) to prominence as a regularly-used currency, or at least as something that will rise in value as the US dollar declines. Which, so far, it stubbornly refuses to do by most measures (inflation is low, though some debate the inflation statistics, and the dollar has been very strong in recent years against most other major global currencies).

But is there something in particular? Are we talking silver mining stocks, or silver ETFs, or physical silver coins, or “junk silver”?

“I’ll show you how you can start using JFK’s Secret Currency tomorrow morning to build REAL wealth…

“Starting with as little as a few hundred dollars…

“And, believe it or not, in some instances you can use it without paying the IRS a single dime!”

Well, there aren’t many ways to avoid paying taxes on your investments — unless you’re losing money, or are using a tax-sheltered account to own this stuff. Or lying. But there is the stipulation in the law that the sale of some bullion coins (American Eagles in particular) are not reportable to the IRS. That does not mean that you don’t owe taxes if you make a capital gain by trading those coins, just that the IRS might not know about the sale unless you tell them. (Taxation on this stuff is a murky world, make sure to check details for your situation and don’t rely on me to be right).

And yes, Kennedy’s administration was a key inflection point in what became a long-term devaluation of the dollar — though LBJ’s was even more so, given the budget challenges he faced. JFK was easing out of issuing silver certificates before his assassination, then LBJ took silver out of coins and talked about making the dollar non-convertible into precious metals in subsequent years when the Great Society and the Vietnam War were sapping the treasury, and finally Nixon made it final by closing the “gold window” and prohibiting even central banks from trading their dollars for US gold. Any evidence of JFK planning anything different along those lines is some mix of guessing and wishful thinking, from what I can tell.

But that’s beside the point. Can we get closer to exactly what King is pitching, other than these few examples of people making extraordinary gains with their coin collections?

Here’s another example King gives — this one’s from the old teaser last Summer, it doesn’t seem to be in the new one:

“Take Simon Katts, who dreamt of owning a house. But money was a problem and there came a point when he was about to give up on his dream. He had no parents, no windfall or inheritance tho which he could turn.

“So he turned to JFK’s Secret Currency. And for some years exchanged his dollars for it. According to The Economic Times, that Secret Currency helped him to put a down payment on a house.”

So… apparently, according to that clue, “JFK’s Secret Currency” is “collectible coins of any dang kind” … this example is a carefully obscured version of a story that ran in the Economic Times (an Indian news site) about a man named Suhas Kadam (they usually at least keep the initials the same) who collected “error coins” (mis-strikes from the mint) and later auctioned them off to raise money for a down payment on a houseo.

But when it comes back to specifics, King tells us that yes, this “Secret Currency” as he is teasing it is a form of silver. So it’s obviously coinage of some sort (otherwise all those previous clues and examples would be meaningless … and methinks you don’t run down a littany of almost every financial conspiracy theory you can think of if you’re going to suggest a financial derivative like an ETF that relies on silver futures or unallocated silver like SLV).

More clues:

“I can tell you, without giving away the secret, that JFK’s Secret Currency relates to silver…

“But it’s unlike any precious metals investment out there.

“It has nothing to do with, mining stocks, futures, or mutual funds.

“None of these can match its safety, anonymity or wealth potential.

“And to my knowledge, it’s can be one of the simplest tax havens in existence.

“Nothing complicated or illegal like offshore schemes.

“What’s more, it’s virtually immune to the fluctuations in the markets.”

So… what is it?

Well, frankly, he doesn’t give enough clues — or at least, his clues contradict each other too much — for me to be certain exactly what is his favorite form of “JFK’s Secret Currency” … but from his chatter about reportability to the IRS and the “tax haven” status I think his core idea must simply be owning US silver coins, likely the American Eagle (which is the most widely recognized silver bullion coin). Though secondary ideas that could be relatively invisible to the government (though not always technically exempt from reporting, as Eagles can be) might be junk silver, which usually consists of bulk bags of very worn “cull” pre-1965 dimes, quarters, half dollars and dollars that are 90% silver, or, for those looking for the boost that a collectible can provide, graded and collectible silver coins — the most widely-traded are usually the Morgan and Peace dollars, which can be found at any coin vendor online or in person and trade at generally pretty stiff premiums to melt value these days.

And heck, those junk silver and collectible silver dollars are still also legal tender, just like American Eagle coins, so who knows, maybe there are special tax rules about those (this guy goes through a long analysis of the legality of reporting of coin transactions, in case you’re curious — but remember, in almost no cases are regular coins you hold in your hand a tax “shelter”… you still owe taxes even if your sale is not reportable by the person who buys the coins from you, and it’s usually at the higher collectible tax rate).

Quite possibly, Byron King is using these ideas as well as a hodgepodge of several other silver investing ideas, perhaps including physical silver ETFs — the most-cited ETFs for silver are the iShares Silver Trust (SLV) which some folks don’t think is “physical” enough but does own actual bars in a London vault and is by far the largest silver ETF; Sprott Physical Silver Trust (PSLV), which aims to be somewhat more “guaranteed physical” and redeemable than SLV; and the levered ProShares Ultra Silver (AGQ) which uses futures contracts to aim for twice the daily moves of silver prices (or leverage on those, like options, if he’s really predicting 1,000% returns with a straight face).

And I’m sure Byron King is probably also pitching silver mining stocks — though that’s a secondary play on the “JFK’s Secret Currency” idea and mining stocks, even those that are relatively diversified like silver streamer Silver Wheaton (SLW), which should probably be the first silver mining equity that most people look at, are far more volatile than silver … which is itself awfully volatile when compared to gold.

There are a great many silver enthusiasts and Fed watchers here in Gumshoedom, though, so if anyone wants to jump in with their favorite ideas in the world of silver, well, feel free to use the friendly little comment box below.

Personally, I like holding some silver coins — I try to buy a few every month as a little “savings” that I hope will maintain purchasing power as the dollar declines, so I’ve got the odd little stack of American Eagles and some junk silver in the vast Gumshoe vaults because it seems likely to me that the dollar’s long and slow decline will continue… but I try not to delve into the world of collectibles because the uninformed and inexpert (like me) get fleeced too easily, and when it comes to the common kinds of coins I understand and own I am really quite certain that these coins will NOT go up in value by 1,000% this year… and, frankly, I’d be shocked if they went up by 100% by the end of 2014 (well, now we’re well into 2015… I’d also be shocked if they went up 1,000% this year). Not that this is impossible, silver has spiked in the past and it might well do so again someday… maybe even this year or next… but your guess is as good as (and quite likely better) than mine.

So there you have it — a mishmosh of last Summer’s pitch and this most recent “who really killed Kennedy” spiel about silver and the Federal Reserve and various conspiracy theories. And I’ll apologize if I mixed up the 2014 and 2015 pitches too much and was unfair to them regarding exactly which was teased which time, but, well, there you have it — Byron King can say that the Fed killed JFK with a straight face, and he thinks you should own some silver.

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Carol K
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Carol K
July 3, 2014 11:44 am

Thanks for sleuthing out the truth from the fiction-like promises of this one. i had a
gut feeling this was more hype and suspected the silver coins. But it’s nice to see that
you cut to the quick so quickly LOL……Again, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is !

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July 3, 2014 11:54 am

Travis, I think your right on.I’m not a fan of Byron King at Agora, APDN game changer looking for a market, HRTPY no seismic data or can’t find it. Buy silver good idea the spot price has been low. I’d buy bags of silver just watch the markup.

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Lynn Theobald
July 3, 2014 1:01 pm
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This last “sales letter” by Byron King is the most blatant, desperate attempt at marketing chicanery I have seen in a long time. Pure hype, BS and zero substance. I once subscribed to OutStanding Investments, but never again. Travis, you have done a great job of analyzing and debunking his mysterious BS.

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Robert
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May 26, 2015 2:02 pm
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The key is for silver to move ASAP into its historic gold to silver ratio position of 16:1. Gold at its current spot value at $1,250/oz. and spot silver at just over $17/oz. would place spot silver’s price at a gold to silver ratio of 16:1 at approximately $272/oz. This is in an ideal world of course and one of which,unfortunately for all of us no longer exists except for those amongst us who has has chosen the path much traveled and now by far too many. A perpetual path of insatiable greed which invariably results in a complete and utter not just disregard but an incomprehensible absence of any concern whatsoever for the vast majority of humanity. One of the saddest chapters of our current history which will be unveiled one day in our distant future and will reveal the following: During this period in our history no one struggled with a greater passion to convey their message to anyone whom would listen; their message was simple. To live a righteous life. The righteous opposed the opposite which could be one of hundreds if not thousands of various adjectives through this most disrespectful, neglectful, and derilectful acts by this Government of The People. And insofar as Agora Publishing is concerned, some of their authors are excellent and I would consider a few of them brilliant. Chris Mayer ( financial/investment advice) and Jim Rickards ( currency devaluations/central banks and their global impact, etc.).

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Gary Stoltzenberg
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September 8, 2015 7:09 pm
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Oh, how wish I would have kept all those silver dollars my dad gave me when I was a kid and he worked for CMB for 40 years. Let’s not forget all the silver dollars that were once used in slot machines in Las Vegas. If only I could go back to 1964 I’d have no worries or wrinkles. or gray hair.

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Griffin
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September 8, 2015 7:26 pm

I just saw an ad the other day were one of the Doomsdayers says the next economic collapse will be so bad you won’t be able to go to the ATM and get squat. If you think gold and silver have bottom now might be the time to buy ‘Junk Silver’.

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Dennis
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July 3, 2014 1:19 pm

maybe it’s just a rehash of the 2010 pitch by Steve Sjuggerud in his Daily Wealth article on buying Saint-Gaudens double eagles. He too called it the “secret currency”

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Mike
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July 3, 2014 2:05 pm

Everything from Byron and alias group is rehashed, not a single new investment in years have I seen hyped by these newsletter whores.

Ron Homan
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July 3, 2014 3:13 pm

I believe capital gains from coin collecting is taxed at a special (high) rate by the IRS. Up to 28%, depending on your income. I can’t speak to the state tax, since we are fortunate enough not to have a state income tax where I live.

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Griffin
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July 3, 2014 3:52 pm
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Byron King IIRC wrote that Sprotts bullion Funds (?stored bulion, SPPP, NSVL) were taxed at 17%. I’ve tried to verify that and have been unable to do so, another King exaggeration.

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Christopher Patterson
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May 27, 2015 4:04 am
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For Mesers. Homan & Griffin,
The collectible tax rate on coins is an “ordinary income” rate, taxed at your marginal tax rate (fed & state, if you have state tax) whatever your rates are, versus within the “capital gains” group which has varing categories under Congressional policies; Congress artificially tells us coins are “collectibles” when they really are an investment, just to assert a higher tax rate.
The Sprott fund is an interesting vehicle, but with a recent negative twist. Sprott has said you can annually file a tax form that places the fund, and profits from it, into capital gain status (check web site), differing in characteristics from other popular vehicles (e.g. the ETF “SLV”); except recently the IRS has rekindled use of an old law long unenforced, as a result of the new, world wide FATCA environment, which characterizes the Sprott fund and any other like it, as an 80%+ passive investment fund = ordinary income treatment.
Only a 401K or IRA can escape those taxes, for awhile, except ROTH IRAs.
Personally, I think we are all distracted from the core truth and premise (now being re-established by gold & silver coin-legal tender states) that the US Constitution never intended (or allowed) a tax on Congressionally issued coins; so goes the rule of law. Varing coin values were intended as a restraint on government policies causing currency devaluation. If we exchange US dollars for hand held Euros traveling, we do not get to take a loss on the sometimes wide exchange spreads; and, likely because of the impossibility of enforcement (and revoluntionary implications), we are not (openly) asked to pay taxes on any gain upon physical reconversion to dollars (more revolution) – but try to avoid such gain tax on any such money profit running through your visible financial accounts. That profit tax is why IRS backed off a complete accross the board attack on Bit Coin.

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Griffin
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May 27, 2015 6:06 pm

Thanks Christopher, If I read your comment correctly then there was only a tax advantage to owning a Sprott physical fund because of lack of enforcement. That sounds like Agora deal.

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SmokeytheBear
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July 3, 2014 4:08 pm

The U.S. Mint is offering 7 special Kennedy anniversary coins this year. I think that two will be clad coins, one will be gold, and four will be silver. I can’t see them going up 1,000%, but I guess it’s possible especially if the Mint limits the number that will be sold.

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vivian lewis
July 3, 2014 5:23 pm

When I flew to europe I got change from the JFK airport tram in US $ coins, one of Jefferson and two of some Indian lady whose name doesn-t spring to mind who helped Lewis (no relation) and Clark. I wonder if they have any value?
meanwhile 1303%, neither more nor less is promised by some US currency coins. I own a few as my mother gave them to me for my silver wedding anniversary, which seemed appropriate to her. I am not sure if they are in mint condition but they are surely worth more than the $1 she paid for them.

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D
May 26, 2015 10:32 pm
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Sacagewea was her name. These are real, legal tender coins.

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Richard Hardesty
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Richard Hardesty
July 3, 2014 6:33 pm

The “Indian lady” would be Sacajawea, and those $1 coins, circulated, are worth, by and large, $1. Even the proof coins aren’t worth that much, however. The Jefferson presidential dollar (I presume you have a $1 coin), also are worth basically $1.00. Graded examples (slabbed) are worth more, depending on the grade. Sackys and prez bucks from circulation are worth essentially just what they say they are. As always with coins, however, the better the condition, the greater the value, but you are not going to find a Mint State coin in circulation!

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Griffin
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July 3, 2014 7:56 pm

Richard circulated silver coin (minted up to 1965) is worth more than face value. When they were minted silver was $35 an once. Most of the circulated silver coin that’s out there is considered ‘junk silver”, no collector value. The actual silver value for a $5 dollar roll of dimes the last ime I looked was $74. Here is a link to current price for coin by silver value;
http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html

Here is a link for the current price of silver, and silver price history;
http://silverprice.org/

IMO silver is what you want in the cookie jar in the attic for the next big crash that all the pundits say is coming. The crash won’t be pretty, particularly in the big cities, more so if the ‘Tea Partiers’ try and fix it overnight which seems to be the case.

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frank mccraw
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May 26, 2015 11:02 am
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do you mean, “gold” was $35/oz?
i’d put silver around $1/oz in the early 60s.

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chibana
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May 27, 2015 12:34 am
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Larry,
Thanks for posting this link. My father had bundles of Kennedy Half Dollars he was buying at face value in 1964. I collected some as well. He said the silver would be worth a bunch some day. I still have all of them tucked away but I haven’t looked at the collection for a long time. I know I have a bunch of Liberty Half Dollars, some silver dollars, and a large collection of other coins. Chuckle I need to buy an updated coin book (last book I had was 1975 or something 🙂 ) as some of the coins are collectable as well. He also had a huge stamp collection which I just tucked away as I was never into stamps much. I know there are also a bunch of silver certificates but I do not know if those still have any value plus some $2 bills. I have a bunch of comics tucked away to….just didn’t have the time to keep up with all of them while on active duty. Think I’ll blow the dust off a few things this summer. Thanks again.
V/R
Tom

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F H 'Arizona Slim' Major
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F H 'Arizona Slim' Major
July 3, 2014 7:54 pm

In the past bought two of Lord Byron’s gems and both lost money. Enough said. Arizona Slim

drlinks
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July 3, 2014 9:48 pm

I agree. Silver has the most upside based on it’s absurdly cheap price today at $21.10 and given the idea that I believe we will soon find out that QE dollars are near WORTHLESS, the London ‘Fix’ is over and with over 10,000 industrial uses and counting, PLUS it’s inherent self destruction and timetable of extinction (U.S. Geological Institute says that this most important element per technology will be extinct by 2020) physical AG, plus SLW, PAAS, AG, EXK, SVLC, and EXCELLON (Highest Grade open Mine in North America ticker EXLLF) is where I’d bet all my eggs

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RG Caswell
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July 3, 2014 10:27 pm

I sat through the 50 minute video. old fool that I am, by Byron King out of curiosity and wish I hadn’t. I had some history with Outstanding Investments, Steve S., Agora, etc. in the past and have never found the golden egg.
I have tucked away some silver and gold (both bullion and numismatic) and can say they are two totally different animals; Bullion coins are easily obtainable and indifferent, just a store of wealth in a probably more secure form than dollar bills. Good to have some. Numismatic coins are a delight to have and to hold. Art, history, and wealth all in one. More of an enthusiasm than an investment or a hedge though they can be both.

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Regularly wrong (envy to get irregulars)
Regularly wrong (envy to get irregulars)
July 3, 2014 11:56 pm

Maybe he is referring British silver pound. Recently minted with “mistake” in a rim of the coin. Other side has decoration in a rim and another side is smooth. As always, I just might be wrong.

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Riggbov
July 7, 2014 8:46 pm

“Britannia mule 2014” to Google for more detailed information.

archives2001
archives2001
July 4, 2014 5:22 am

Good one per usual Gummie!
U hit another one out of the park!!!

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chibana
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July 4, 2014 10:45 am

Travis,
I remember by Dad buying a whole bunch of JFK coins the first year they came out. I still have them. He told me they would be worth a bunch some day as the first ones were mostly silver. Anyway in retrospect I find it interesting the government was able to produce a coin with a JFK likeness so soon after his death. I have a bunch of other coins from his collection and mine (and stamps) but I have not collected any coins in over 30 years. BLUF one may have a very valuable coin but only if you find someone willing to pay for it (or a stamp or comic book) If not than it is more valuable for its silver or gold content or just pass them on to your children.

V/R
Tom

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Deborah G Flynn
July 4, 2014 5:15 pm

I have 10-15% of my portfolio in hard currancy mostly Canadian Gold coins and eagles, Maple leafs and silver bars. I keep them for my grandkids college fund. That being said I don’t know enough about any collectables so I stay away from them. It doesn’t hurt to have some gold and silver but the idea is to have a diversified portfolio and I think I’m good to go without Byron LOL

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Billie
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Billie
July 4, 2014 6:34 pm

The fact silver prices are being manipulated has been readily proven; most conclusively by Ted Butler, therefore we can expect a huge bounce when physical silver supplies run short, as they are beginning to. Using paper “silver” to devalue physical silver has to end eventually. By putting the price of silver below production costs, silver supplies will dry up even faster. Moreover, the USGS has already stated silver will be the first major metal to fade from the earth’s crust; most silver found now is crude ore vs the fine silver previously minted. At some point the jig will be up so I believe silver bullion is a very good way to preserve the value of whatever wealth you may have. BTW… I did not ‘invest’ in silver; I converted some paper ‘money’ into silver money… constitutionally silver IS money… i.e. there should be zero capital gains on a simple conversion of U.S. paper money to U.S. silver money, eh?

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Joseph
Joseph
July 5, 2014 4:26 am

Byron KIng makes the sleaziest carny at the county fair look respectable. He should have been banned from the newsletter writing business a long time ago. Thank you Travis for lifting the curtain on these charlatans.

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monk
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July 6, 2014 12:29 am

Maybe it’s the 2014 Silver Britannia Mule. An error coin, NGC Gem Uncirculated $149. each at GovMint.com, limit 10 per customer. A major goof up by the Royal Mint, on one side the wrong die was used. Mint estimates about 17,000 are out there. I’m not into collectables. Got this promo flyer in the mail.

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Riggbov
July 7, 2014 8:56 pm
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Or it might be ? On Ebay.
1964 Kennedy Half Dollar NGC PF67- Accented Hair, Well-Mirrored, Exceptional
Price:
US $186.00
Buy It Now

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David B.
David B.
July 7, 2014 9:53 pm
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Nice one Riggbov and I’ll take some of that “accented hair.” Can I actually get it without joining the Hair Club for Men? For my bald head, I would certainly pay $186 for well-mirrored, accented hair. That would truly be exceptional and I would “buy it now.”
Let’s find the company that offers that as the share price is guaranteed to go up!

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Griffin
Griffin
July 8, 2014 12:10 am

The census seems to be that Mr. King is pushing collectors value on silver dollars. I can’t get into collector value as a investment. I’m not saying collecting is not a worth while pursuit. What I question is what collector value will exist in the next “Big Crash”. The last crisis was bad enough, but if the next is worse as some surmise. If there are no credit cards, no unemployment checks, no disabilty checks, in the big city, a picture of rats chasing a pea comes to mind. King was pushing silve eagles from the U.S. mint last year, the mint couldn’t keep up wth demand, so they had to be good. The one advantage of silve eagles is not collector value, it is ‘legal tender’. Most siiver coin minted by the U.S. mint is ‘legal tender’ and has a known silver value by face value. Now is a good time to collect silver/gold coin as legal tender because it has known wieght, and the silver and gold are down. There are several problems with collecting coin, bullion, or,, weight, and security. If it becomes known that you have a collection you may as well wear a target.

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pumaro
July 10, 2014 10:10 pm

Aren’t they talking about bitcoin here?

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May 26, 2015 7:15 pm
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Bitcoin should be Illegal. Its not legal tender.

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Thor Johnson
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May 27, 2015 11:37 am
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That’s like saying lemons should be illegal because they’re not legal tender….
Bitcoin is just another form of (virtual) paper that shuffles around for trade; its value is only what people will trade for it (same as paper dollars or bonds or… at least you can make jewelry out of silver/gold bullion [and most of those aren’t legal tender either]),

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