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Gold “Disappearing” For 300 Years? Badiali says own these “‘Gold Banks’ and Miners that Will Benefit Most from Higher Gold Prices”

Top Four Gold StockS Teased by Matt Badiali for S&A Resource Report

Matt Badiali has a new promo out for his S&A Resource Report, and it’s all built on the eventual resurgence of gold.

He teases a few stocks for us, and we’ll get to identifying them in a moment — but first, he goes through the long rationale for gold’s rise over the next five years … and it’s almost entirely based on China.

Chinese gold demand is obvious and often discussed, even though much of it is not terribly transparent — China is the biggest producer of gold in the world, and all gold produced in China has to be sold (at market price) to the government for domestic use and/or addition to their gold reserves, and it’s also usually the largest importer of gold these days (supplanting India), and the Chinese sovereign wealth funds and state-controlled enterprises are heavy investors in gold mining companies around the world.

So we all know that China is big on gold, with the general assumption being that their buildup of gold reserves is both a way to reduce risks from a declining US dollar and Euro (they hold major reserves of both, thanks to their trade surplus), and as a way to “internationalize” the Yuan Renminbi (which remains a highly controlled and almost closed currency, though that’s changing slowly)… though the fact that they don’t often report about their gold reserves, as other countries do, makes everyone wonder just where that gold is going and what they’re doing with it.

That world of mystery and intrigue takes up the first three quarters of the ad spiel, and it’s reasonably compelling if you want to check it out here — I don’t have the patience to excerpt the whole argument, but here’s a little bit of the pitch to give you a taste of Badiali’s thoughts:

“Something is amiss in the gold market. You may have noticed the telltale signs – the confusing news stories, the weird price moves that don’t make any sense. But no one is telling you the whole story.

“The truth is that gold is disappearing.

“It started very gradually about 10 years ago – and it was hard to see at first. So a lot of people didn’t notice.

“Now it’s undeniable: Gold is vanishing….

“The world’s gold supply is literally disappearing…

“And consumer demand from investors hit an all-time high in 2013.

“Put these two undeniable facts together, and there is only one possible conclusion: The price of gold is going to rise… and rapidly.

“But you may be surprised by exactly how high experts are predicting the price of gold to go.

“[James] Rickards isn’t just predicting that gold will double or triple in the next decade.

“He estimates that gold will skyrocket to $9,000 an ounce or more within the next five years – a 600% increase over current prices.”

That “disappearing” is basically the fact that gold is being Hoovered up by China, and probably largely going into the equivalent of their Fort Knox. And there’s a lot of expectation that the next time China releases numbers about their official gold reserves they could be more than three times larger than the last report in 2009, putting them in the big leagues among global powers when it comes to gold reserves … and that China’s diversification away from the dollar might free the dollar up to move lower if China shrinks their hoard of US Treasury Bonds and stops worrying about the value of those bonds.

Of course, that same basic story about China, their tight connection to the dollar (both because we’re a huge customer of China’s, and because they hold so many dollars), and the increases in their gold reserves, has held true for most of the last five or six years… during which gold has certainly not been moving uniformly up, so in the end this is a long-term argument about gold being much higher in five or ten years, not really about gold jumping dramatically higher this year just because of the China “story.” There’s another interesting piece here from about six months ago about the increasing gold reserves in China too if you’d like another perspective.

So if you buy that argument that gold will rise strongly against the dollar again, and in dramatic fashion over the long term, what do you buy?

Badiali hedges his bet somewhat — if you are convinced that gold is going to skyrocket, then the biggest winners will be the producers and explorers that are dirt cheap now because they have very high costs or big, expensive mines to build that don’t make sense with gold at $1,300 an ounce. Those high-cost producers will do spectacularly if gold doubles next year, but if gold stays flat for another year or two more or goes lower many of them will be in desperate trouble … so Badiali is (probably wisely) pitching some “safer” ideas in the gold universe, two royalty companies and two lower-cost producers or potential producers whose projects and economics make sense at current gold prices.

Here’s more from him on those details and some Gumshoe solutions to the hints and clues he throws out for us:

“Own the ‘Gold Banks’ and Miners that Will Benefit Most from Higher Gold Prices over the Next Few Years

“As I’ve been describing, China could potentially make a very big gold announcement in the coming months.

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“This is likely to send gold prices soaring over the coming years.

“One of the best ways to profit from this trend is to buy miners and other gold stocks.

“The problem is…

“There are thousands of gold stocks to choose from. So how do you figure out which are the best to own to take advantage of this trend?

“Well, the first thing I recommend you do is buy one of the lowest risk gold stocks in the world… and also a few of the companies that are likely to skyrocket the most in price over the next few years.”

That “lowest risk” is a reference to the “gold banks,” which is a term some folks apply to financiers — the firms that essentially put up some capital for mining in exchange for a cut of the final product, with no direct exposure to the hassle or cost fluctuations of being a mine builder or operator.

And there aren’t that many of them that are big enough to consider and publicly traded, so which one is Badiali talking up?

More clues:

“Over the past 15 years, one of my favorite gold “bank” stocks has gone up as much as 1,324%. It has a tiny staff of just 21 people. They have almost zero overhead. They simply help finance and take a small ownership stake in the world’s best projects.

“Just how low-risk is this gold company? Well, in 2008, when 95% of the stocks in the S&P 500 index plummeted in price, this stock actually went up in value….

“Right now, the company pays a nearly 2% dividend, and its yield could rise as the share price goes up. But that’s not why I recommend you buy it.

“The real gains typically come in the form of capital gains… when you cash out… when this ‘gold bank’s’ ownership stakes (and cash streams) massively increase in value.

“If you are going to own only one gold company in the world, this is it. It’s one of the best run and lowest risk gold companies on the market today… and it is one EVERY American should own over the next few years.”

So who is it? This is Royal Gold (RGLD), which is probably the first precious metals royalty stock that comes to mind for most investors. I don’t own it personally, I have happened to cast my lot with a smaller royalty startup (Sandstorm Gold) in the gold royalty/streaming arena, but Royal Gold is probably the safest play in the space. They have royalties on four or five major projects that act as “cornerstone” royalties, including a touch of base metals through their Voisey’s Bay nickely mine royalty, and dozens of royalties in their portfolio on exploration and development projects. They look pretty expensive on a PE ratio basis, but would be pretty nicely levered to dramatically higher gold prices — not quite as levered as an actual miner might be, but also much more diversified and with less exposure to any one big project that might collapse (though one of their cornerstone projects, Pascua Lama on the Chile/Argentina border, has certainly had it’s challenges). Royal Gold has a “why invest in Royal Gold” page on their website in case you’d like their answer to that question.

If I were building a portfolio from scratch, I’d probably put at least half of the precious metals portion into RGLD, hard to argue against them in that sector — but they’re certainly going to be subject to the same swings up and down as all the gold mining stocks. Royalties and streaming deals offer some protection from the expensive cost overruns that plague mine startups, but they also come at the cost of passivity — they can’t do anything to impact the pace of development of most of their projects, or force the mining management to do anything in particular, they just sit back and collect their cut of what is produced.

And the other royalty stock?

“There’s another company that makes money from this exact same model. I recommend you own this business too.

“This company actually used to be part of a major gold producer – before they realized how much more they could make operating as a “gold bank.”

“Shortly after the company went public a few years ago, it was collecting about $3 million in “royalties” on the gold and other precious metals produced by its partner companies.

“In 2012, it raked in more than $400 million.

“And just last year it started collecting royalties on a new gold mine in Canada. The mine is expected to produce nearly 700,000 ounces of gold a year for the next 17 years.”

This one is Franco-Nevada (FNV), which was the real pioneer of this royalty model in precious metals. Like Royal Gold, it’s near its 52-week high and has done very well in the last few months as investors anticipate that the decline in the gold price is over. And like Royal Gold, it looks pretty expensive on a price/earnings basis, but those PE ratios are obviously dependent on analyst estimates about what will happen next year… which means they’re dependent on what those analysts think the gold price will be. If you think gold will be much higher in a few years, both of these companies (and almost every other gold stock) will do quite well. I’d be comfortable with either FNV or RGLD as a sort of entry-level stock to consider in precious metals, but neither is dirt cheap or unloved and neither is immune to a fall in the price of gold… they just suffer a little less than the mining companies when gold falls.

We’ve written dozens of times about royalty companies and their cousins in the past, so I don’t want to bore you — FNV and RGLD are both big, multi-billion-dollar companies with low-cost operations that are essentially portfolios of royalty investments. Both are good, if not cheap, and I also do still like Sandstorm Gold (SAND), which is much smaller and has been a worse performer of late and, in the non-precious royalties space, I still am quite fond of Altius Minerals (ALS.TO, ATUSF), one of my larger holdings these days with nickel, potash and coal royalties in Canada.

And then Badiali goes on to talk about some smaller ideas with greater leverage — low cost producers.

“I’ve identified two miners with more upside potential and less downside risk than most any other company in the industry…

“The first miner I want to tell you about actually operates three mines in China, with one more in development.

“It has some of the healthiest profit margins in the business. Unlike some other miners, this company’s smart management team kept a close eye on production costs throughout the ‘good’ years and the ‘bad’ years for gold.

“The result is a cash production cost of just $494 per ounce of gold.

“This company’s gold production has doubled in the last five years, and I expect it to continue growing. It’s probably the best gold mining stock you can buy today.”

That’s Eldorado Gold (EGO, EGD in Toronto), which Badiali has been following for years — he touted it several years ago, along with some of the China state-controlled mining companies.

EGO is pretty diversified — roughly half of their production comes from three mines in China, the other half from Turkey, and they have some expansion possibilities at both and in Greece, Romania and Brazil — and has now become pretty big for a gold miner with a market cap of about $5 billion (though it was well over $10 billion a few years ago when the stock peaked around $20). Analysts expect it to become profitable next year. Haven’t followed it closely, but you can go sniff around and see if it appeals to you — let us know what you think. There’s a pretty good investor presentation from the company here if you want to get an overview. Almost every gold miner says they are a “low cost producer,” but in this case it’s pretty accurate — they say they have cash “all in sustaining costs” (basically, cash costs for production and royalties plus corporate overhead and capital investments to keep production going) of just under $1,000 an ounce, which puts them on the lower end of similarly-sized producers when it comes to costs.

And one more?

“… there is one more very unusual situation that I think you should be aware of.

“But I have to warn you… this recommendation is not for your ‘rent money.’

“It’s a much smaller company than the other ones I’ve told you about. And it carries more risks. But with that risk comes explosive upside potential.

“You see, the average gold mine produces 1 gram of gold per ton of rock – about the weight of a paper clip.

“But in a remote section of Northwestern Canada, set between glacial lakes, there’s a mine that lay dormant for 15 years, until this tiny company came in and took a sample of the rocky ore.

“And instead of the ordinary 1 gram of gold in a ton of rock sample, the new owners got 586 ounces.

“Now that sample was only from one part of the site.

“But engineers found that across the entire site, the average grade (the amount of gold contained in the rock) was 12 grams of gold per ton of rock – 12x better than the industry average.”

OK, so if anyone is ever putting their rent money into a brokerage account for any reason at all, you need to have your head examined … but I expect you know that already. So what’s this riskier stock? Some more clues so we can make sure to get a definitive answer:

“The ‘junior miner’ that owns this valuable property is run by a respected veteran of one of the top mining companies in North America.

“And by my most conservative accounting, with gold selling for 20% below current prices, I believe this mine is worth over $1 billion – 60% more than the entire market value of the company that owns it!

“Thanks to this unusual situation, I estimate this company’s shares could double in the next 18 months. However, it could be acquired sooner than that, as the big gold miners look for new, high quality reserves.”

This one is Pretium Resources (PVG), which was built by the guy who built Silver Standard during the last commodities bull run and is focused on developing the high grade Brucejack/Valley of the Kings mine in Northern British Columbia, which the company says is “one of the largest and highest-grading undeveloped gold projects in the world.” They’re still in the permitting process and still drilling and testing, but they have the goal of commercial production in 2017. That used to be a goal of 2016 and, in the optimistic world of gold miners, 2017 probably means they’re hoping they can get their first production going in December of that year.

You can see some snippets of analyst opinion about Pretium here from the Gold Report, there are certainly a few folks thinking that it will be a takeover candidate as large miners look for more high-grade reserves, but there have also been plenty of hiccups along the way — including a shellacking that the stock took last fall when one of their consultants released a very negative report on the gold grades, then a quick recovery when they released more positive assay results after that initial consultant resigned. I have not looked into that dispute at all, but it may leave at least a little bit of uncertainty.

So … there you have it, four stocks from Matt Badiali for your consideration — two royalty names, one diversified producer, and one explorer that’s trying to get a mine permitted and built. So chew on those for a while, think about what you think China’s going to do with all that gold, and let us know if these are the stocks you want to own in the years to come… and if you feel so inclined, we’d be delighted to hear those thoughts of yours if you’d care to share them by using the friendly little comment box below.

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cw99
July 8, 2014 6:59 pm

This pitch seems just like one you ” thinkolated” exactly one year ago.
http://www.stockgumshoe.com/reviews/capital-wave-forecast/who-is-the-worlds-leanest-meanest-miner/

That stock was SBGL. It was 3.0 then, now 1 yr later, it is over 9!!!

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Jim Hasak
July 8, 2014 7:18 pm

It seems China is acquiring gold as part of a plan to replace the dollar with the yuan as the world’s reserve currency, or at least to make the yuan a significant part of a basket of currencies. Naturally, they would like to buy gold as cheaply as possible, but unlike the West, China has long-range plans and is secretive about them. I believe that’s the reason why they are so shy about sharing their plans — they don’t want to see the price of gold rise before its time. They’ve used the same strategy for years with copper, nearly every year “leaking” disinformation showing a decline in their demand for copper. But funny thing, their copper demand continues to rise, year after year, like clockwork.

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bluesharpbob
July 8, 2014 7:44 pm

Bought SAND several year ago, & have been nibbling as it dropped. Needles to say, I’ve been quite happy the last few weeks!

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quincy adams
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quincy adams
July 8, 2014 10:24 pm

SAND is up 40% since my purchase…thanks for the tip, Travis. But, if China has accumulatd enough gold to manipulate the metal’s price, that adds considerably to the risk, n’est pas? Have we not learned from the Hunt brothers?

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Rusty Brown in Canada
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Rusty Brown in Canada
July 9, 2014 9:03 am
Reply to  quincy adams

I think the Hunt Bros. attempt to corner the silver market years ago was a special case that doesn’t have much to teach us about the current situation: they accumulated huge amounts of silver futures and threatened the bankrupt the dealers who had taken the other side of the trade.
Lucky for the dealers, they were able to trash the whole scheme by changing the rules to suit themselves – they prevented further accumulation, so that the Hunts had no choice but to unwind their holdings, therefore driving the price down – so I understand.
Something like that, anyway.

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arch1
July 8, 2014 10:47 pm

Travis Muttering Minions! I can understand premature postulating to proofread & reconsider rants,,,,,,,but wait one more minute to log in? Is it full scale Minion mayhem??

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arch1
July 9, 2014 12:29 am
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Reply retry; It seems to me I t will take many tonnes of gold to keep up with the printing presses of the Fed reserve , Mr. Abe of Japan, & the lovable Eurozone. Perhaps the Chinese are just wisely hedging their bet of selling on credit, which may well prove worthless. The World economy looks to me like a poker game where the winners have cashed in & remaining players buy chips with worthless IOU’s,, to each other who have lost.
IMHO of course.

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Elliot
July 9, 2014 7:38 am

Am I crazy to have my entire precious metals portion of my portfolio invested in Silver Wheaton (SLW)? I figure they do gold and silver and I prefer silver anyway due to its industrial use, and I far prefer SLW’s fundamentals over any other precious metals company I have ever looked at.

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Rusty Brown in Canada
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July 9, 2014 9:17 am
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Perhaps not. That’s just the kind of strategy that Gerald M. Loeb promoted in “The Battle for Investment Survival” in 1935, which sold over 200,000 copies during the Great Depression .
He said that you should figure out what your best prospect was and go for it 100%, and treated the diversification strategy with some contempt, as being suitable only for dilettantes and the insecure, if I recall from my reading, some years back.

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July 14, 2014 5:27 pm

I Diversify myself through the golden crop of Canola. And then the royaly way through INPUT CAPITAL, 1st agro royalty on the market.

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Elliot
July 9, 2014 9:23 am

Thanks for your thoughts, Travis and Rusty. Travis, I, too was surprised you did not mention them above 🙂 IIRC, SLW is a large holding for you as well?

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hendrixnuzzles
March 14, 2015 10:46 pm

Old thread, new subscriber.
I believe in the precious metals as some comfort for both deflation and inflation
and I am diversified among physical metal, asset-backed metal securities, large cap miners,
small cap miners, and royalty companies.

I am migrating more of these capital investments towards royalty companies, for several reasons:
1. they are cheap now;
2. they have high leverage to price increases;
3. they are unlikely to go out of business, they just deposit checks;
4. they are able to expand assets and future income cheaply now while the metal prices are low;
5. …and most importantly, they are going to do better due diligence than us amateurs ever could, since we are not mining geologists; and they are putting their money up
so we can be better pretty certain that their picks on mines will better than ours.

There will be good mines that don’t need financing and hence are not in the portfolios of the royalty streamers. So if we are inclined to do our own gumshoeing for the fun of it, I suppose we can buy some small long shots on our own…

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abe zieff
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July 9, 2014 12:22 pm

Silver Wheaton is by far the best streaming company around. Also the cheapest. Look for it to surpass their high of 41 in the near future. Don’t say I didn’t tell you

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Rusty Brown in Canada
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Rusty Brown in Canada
July 9, 2014 4:45 pm
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Funny you should mention. I was just looking at my chart of SLW (Toronto Exchange, therefore Canadian $$) where it went from $20. to $40. in an almost unbroken climb in the 2nd half of 2010, and noting how similar the situation is today.
The leverage for SLW call options in such a situation is beyond belief.

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hendrixnuzzles
March 14, 2015 10:58 pm

Love SLW, but lost on the calls with the recent pullback.
At under $ 20, I’m just going to buy and hold on. It’s just a matter of time.

Suggest you look at SAND, their website presentations are terrific with lots of hard facts.
SAND has made a bunch of new deals that will boost income dramatically when prices turn around, and you gotta love Nolan Watson…he was the first employee at SLW
and is now CEO at SAND…

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hendrixnuzzles
March 14, 2015 10:51 pm
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Hi Abe,

This is an old thread but I am a new subscriber. Also the metals prices are off now.

Suggest you look at Sandstorm Gold’s website, and view the videos of Nolan Watson,
their president.

I’m long SLW and SAND.

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Patricia
March 15, 2015 1:35 am
Reply to  hendrixnuzzles

Welcome. Just thought I’d tell you up front that few subscribers on this site seem to very interested in precious metals, though I’m one of the few. Judging by your comments on this thread, it sounds like you might be interested in The Daily Reckoning, if you don’t read it already:

http://dailyreckoning.com/three-catalysts-for-the-price-of-gold/

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hendrixnuzzles
March 16, 2015 10:05 am
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Grateful for the reply. By the way, I checked the Pretium website
and found some interesting things. First, some of the existing investors
are Liberty Mutual Life Insurance, through an entity named Liberty Mining, and Jizin Mining, which I googled and found is the largest state-owned Chinese gold miner.
Pretium’s deposits must be pretty compelling are to attract these investors ?

Also this month the Board representative from Liberty made an insider purchase of
$ 200K at 5.05 per share. Their CEO is a highly respected, near legendary exec named Robert Quartermain and he has 2% of the company.

The share count of the company is about 140 million fully diluted so the current market cap is between 700 million and 800 million. They have no debt. Zero. Their in-ground reserves are about 9 billion
although reserve numbers are spongy depending on current spot prices. Production is not expected until 2017 so for me this is a really long term investment though if gold rises the stock will go up before production starts. A buyout is also a strong possibility
according to a mining newsletter I read. They also just raised $ 140 MM on a private placement. So again their geology is so strong, they are having no trouble raising capital.
I looked at their core results and they were off the charts.

This is about as much due diligence as I can do as an interested amateur…but based on what I see, I’m liking this company a lot. I have a few hundred shares and plan on adding to my position.

Most of my investments in this sector are going to go into royalty companies, but this miner is one that I’m not afraid to go after.

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alastair macdonald
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July 9, 2014 7:01 pm

Hi and hello investors and seekers of truth,

On the recommendation of Jeff clark and Stansberrys, resources, man Badiali, I got into EGO at about$26.00 US.
I am seeking yo get into RGLD and Silver Wheaton and Franco, on a pull back.

I was advised by sjuggerud and co last Feb to get into RGLD , and to make the max buy price at $55.00 US. I didn’t find a pul back down to $55.00, and am still waiting. I sense a strong upside and very little downside propensity. As you have rightly said, it is a well run royalty company, and does not suffer when there are mining difficulties. Think I will put in a bid at around $65.00 for RGLD and jump into SLW also at about $24.50.

I sense a huge financial crisis coming you country and it will arrive here as well. due to money printing and over extended companies, and production a way behind, share prices. Plus a lot of other things as well, bond prices and 10 year bond rates. The USA unemployment rate is a lot worse that here in New Zealand.

Kind Regards
Alastair Wallace Macdonald, New Zealand

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sdmaley
October 5, 2014 7:08 pm

A recent promo by MoneyMapPress is an ‘interview’ of Jim Rickards, with the nom-de-threat “Financial Threat and Asymmetric Warfare Advisor [to] CIA & The Director of National Intelligence”. While an email for the promo mentioned “Mount Weather” as having a code name “High Point Special Facility.”, the actual ‘interview’ does not mention that facility. Lead-in to the ‘interview’ mentions a “shocking report” by all 16 branches of the uS Intelligence Community, alluding to a 70% market crash, leading to a 25-year Great Depression.

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hendrixnuzzles
February 8, 2015 7:15 pm

Agree on Silver Wheaton but lost money on the calls because of expiration. Still own the security, though.

Ask yourself, would you rather have paper currency with the bankers printing more of it,
or would you rather own a gold mine or royalties on a gold mine ?

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Mr. Typo
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July 9, 2014 7:32 pm

I took this out of the article above:
“And instead of the ordinary 1 gram of gold in a ton of rock sample, the new owners got 586 ounces.” It really should be 586 grams, right?

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Gary W
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July 12, 2014 4:04 am

“the average grade was 12 grams of gold per ton of rock”

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Jay Win
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Jay Win
July 10, 2014 2:51 am

I just wanted to add that not only is just buying gold however they are basically stealing it as well. They have sent armed troops into numerous gold mines throughout Africa and taken over numerous mines. I have heard the same stories about this from very reliable sources. Several christian missionaries let me know this as well as several film crews who had their equipment confiscated when they were ordered to leave. I say this because what we hear from them about how much gold they actually have is only half the story. They don’t want gold to go any higher for now while still in the acquiring stage either! Just thought u all should know this too.

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Rusty Brown in Canada
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Rusty Brown in Canada
July 10, 2014 8:23 am
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“they” being…??

Gary W
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Gary W
July 12, 2014 4:15 am

Go to mining.com which says up to 50,000 illegal gold miners from China are
operating in Africa. Hundreds of Chinese mining gold illegally were deported
by Ghana in 2013, and South Africa is rounding them up aggressively.

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Jay Win
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Jay Win
July 13, 2014 5:59 am

Sorry I meant to say china. They have actively gone into Africa stealing gold mines from companies and people. These are not rogue Chinese individuals. They have been found with legitimate Chinese paperwork, maps and other stuff all pointing to the fact that China is sanctioning them. The only reason why it is not being talked about more I believe is what might happen if we piss off China given the precarious position politically that most of the world has with China now.

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ALB
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ALB
July 10, 2014 6:19 am

I bought a couple of Badiali’s suggestion in Seabridge and Kinross and after they went down 50% got out. There’s a difference between what the “experts” pitch and whether you actually make money!

George Calef
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George Calef
July 11, 2014 12:00 am

I suggest readers interested gold stocks should take a look at Balmoral resources. Unlike virtually every other gold explorations company it has been defying gravity in the past few months. Not only do they have very high grade gold drill results, but they have recently come with huge intercepts of nickle and PGMs on a different property. The president Darin Wagner has already brought a couple of successful companies to takeover.

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Alan Harris
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July 13, 2014 9:44 am

Someone please put me out of my misery. Ok, I can see the horrific debts, but I just cannot see the $ collapsing overnight. What form does China’s wealth take? Ok so China has lots of gold squirreled away…..how much?…dunno. Whats it worth….dollars! Oh dear the $ just collapsed…… without a $ to swap it for, gold is practically useless scrap metal.
And when they do their next report, does anyone imagine it will be anything like reliably accurate? The rest of their wealth is in loads of IOU’s. So if the $ goes caput, China is in the same bath as everyone else coz all currencies are relatively valued. Ok thats when the gold comes in handy right?….Does it? What currency are you going to convert it into if not the $ ? The Yuan? Do you seriously imagine they want the Yuan to become the reserve? They’ve been avoiding it even being traded like the plague coz it would explode making their exports unaffordable. China is between a rock and a hard place. If $ goes down, China’s ious go down… so what do they swap their inedible gold for? If the $ goes down, it will have to be a VERY slow process.

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hendrixnuzzles
March 14, 2015 10:28 pm
Reply to  Alan Harris

This is an old thread but I am a recent subscriber. Don’t want to be polarizing, but if you think gold is useless scrap metal then I will be happy to take whatever you have off your hands.
A few things on the other side of the issue:
The Chinese are in fact accumulating large amounts of gold…so why ? Are they stupid ?

If I were in their shoes, I’d use my dollars to buy up all the hard assets I could while they are cheap in dollars; and in fact , this is what they are doing. In my part of North Carolina, they just bought one of the only major large businesses for miles around (Smithfield meats) and a bankrupt beachfront resort.

To answer your very good point about where would they store their wealth if not in dollars, it is true that the yuan may not be ready to take the whole reserve load, but domestic demand in China is growing very fast so a stronger yuan would be more palatable if there were greater domestic consumption in China, which will be in yuan.
And this is certainly happening. And the Chinese are transitioning out of dollars in a measured way that protects their interests, while they still have so many of the damned things.

The other reason I can think of that would make them find gold attractive is that it will give them clout in gaining a seat at the world money table. The IMF has to listen to them if they have reserves on a par with the US and Europe.

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hendrixnuzzles
February 8, 2015 7:07 pm

Dear Travis,
Really appreciate your considered and objective approach to things.
I am overweight in the gold/silver sector but have decided to invest in Sandstorm and Pretium after looking at materials on their respective websites. In the case of Sandstorm,
when one realizes how much expert due diligence they have to make, it becomes apparent that a royalty company will have the know-how and motivation to perform due diligence that is light-years ahead of what we can do. After all, they have geologists and miners on their staff and are putting up tons of cash…so it is logical that they will do better research than we can ever dream of doing.

In the case of Pretium a few specific things jumped out at me. First was the ore sample photos. I’m not a geologist but the photos of the core samples are pretty impressive.
Lots of veins with visible gold, and sharpie markings showing gold content in the thousands of grams per ton…I gather that the cutoff minimum for ore processing is generally in the neighborhood of three grams per ton , so to have ore with content in the thousands of grams per ton is off the charts. Second, it sounds like they are going ahead with production on their own nickel without waiting for a buyer.

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