“America’s #1 Cryptocurrency”: The “Secret Currency” Pitched by Steve Sjuggerud and the Stansberry Folks

Checking in, again, on that "Secret Currency" and "better than Bitcoin" investment teased by True Wealth

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, April 3, 2015

A sudden avalanche of folks have been asking about this pitch again, so I thought I’d re-share and update my thoughts on something I wrote in the Friday File for the Irregulars back in October of 2013 … so yes, this is getting a little old. Much of this is from that original note, or from my update back in January of 2014, though I’ve gone through and updated my thoughts (and some of the numbers) a little bit.

From my quick glance, the core of the spiel from the Stansberry folks hasn’t changed much for this “Secret Currency” since then, other than to call it the “#1 Cryptocurrency” now that that term has entered the popular lexicon (and indeed, the ad is not dramatically different than it was when I first covered similar ads of theirs five or six years ago).

The one thing that’s particularly different in the last year or two is that they use the curiosity about Bitcoin to catch your attention —

The ad back in 2013 started out as a “warning” about Bitcoin:

“Urgent Message for U.S. Investors:

“Do NOT buy Bitcoin until you watch this public message

“This is the true story of alternative currencies in America — the one you won’t hear anywhere else. The story only wealthy families know. Please take five minutes to watch this message and avoid making a very costly Bitcoin mistake.”

And then went on to compare Bitcoin to a host of past internet failures or value-destroyers like Webvan and Pets.com and Groupon, and then makes the argument that the “secret currency” does the same things Bitcoin does (provide some privacy, get away from the US dollar, etc.).

Which is sort of true — I have some experience with both this “secret currency” and with Bitcoin, I tinkered with Bitcoin myself for a to see how it worked and whether it might be a viable alternative to using credit cards, and I’m not all that impressed with how useful it might become at the moment… though I still have maybe half a bit coin sitting in a “wallet” somewhere.

This is how they introduce the ad now:

“America’s #1 Secret Cryptocurrency:

“This is the true story of alternative currencies in America — the one you won’t hear anywhere else. The story wealthy families know — and which could climb 300%+ over the next few years.

“Don’t buy Bitcoin, Litecoin, Euros, Swiss francs, Chinese Yuan, Gold, or Silver until you take 5 minutes to watch this message.”

What follows was published for the Irregulars as a little closing bonus in a Friday File about a year and a half ago, when Sjuggerud was pitching the “secret currency.” He’s still pitching the same thing, so the basic spiel is similar now.

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[excerpted from Friday File, 10/11/2013]
I’ll close with a look at a teaser that many of you have asked about this week — it’s circulating pretty heavily these days, from Steve Sjuggerud, and similar teasers have tended to come up, in my experience, whenever the market is in a state of high uncertainty. That’s certainly the case today.

Sjuggerud has been pitching something similar to this for many years, though not so much lately until the last month or so — and a similar pitch has come up twice now, both in the ads that were signed by Steve’s brother that I covered last month (teasing, among other things, investments with exposure to the Australian dollar and the “perfect hedge” of buying a house with a mortgage) and, more recently, in a new wave of ads for this “Like Gold … Only Better” investment.

Sjuggerud’s brother called this “Rich Gold” and described it this way:

“It’s a secret many rich people are taking advantage of, but it’s basically ignored by the middle class.

“You see, most people think that all gold bullion is the same.

“But the truth is, there are two very different types of gold bullion.

“Regular bullion essentially just follows the price of gold. When gold goes up 10%, regular bullion goes up 10%. When the price of gold goes up 20%, regular bullion goes up 20%.

“But there’s a second type of gold (my contact called it ‘Rich Bullion’) that follows a very different pattern.

“‘Rich’ bullion has a tendency to absolutely skyrocket in value, many times higher than ordinary bullion, in times of financial distress.

“For example…

“From 1970 to 1972, the U.S. government’s debt increased by about $50 billion (source: U.S. Treasury Dept.). And the price of gold during that period went up 80%.

“But from 1972 to 1974, right after these increases, ‘Rich’ gold bullion shot up an incredible 348%….

[more examples, bla bla bla]

“… this type of gold could not only protect your money… It could make you 500% or more over the next few years.

“Keep in mind: These two types of gold bullion look very similar. Almost identical – except for one very important identifying difference.

“And this difference has made ‘Rich’ bullion a prized asset among a lot of wealthy investors throughout history.”

And the more recent ad that’s running this week has a more inflammatory headline:

“Outlawed for 41 years… Now LEGAL Again

“This Unique Gold Investment Launched the Largest Family Fortune the World has Ever Seen…

“And Could Return 665% in the Next few Years”

Sound familiar? Here’s a bit more:

“Without giving away the secret just yet, I can tell you the secret currency is — as you might suspect — a form of gold.

“But it’s not your typical gold investment. Not by a long shot…

“It has nothing to do with mining stocks, mutual funds, options, futures, or bullion.

“Instead, this is a kind of currency used for centuries by the richest families to profit on financial windfalls created by governments around the world….

“This investment is like gold, only better — with the potential for much higher returns….

“The last time the Salomon Brothers brokerage firm included the Secret Currency in its annual investment survey, this investment ranked No. 1 over the prior 20-year span, with an annual return of 17.3%. In other words, it was the single most profitable thing you could do with your money over the previous 20 years….

“I believe an investment in the Secret Currency today could potentially double your money in the next six months.

“A 5-times or 10-times return over the next few years wouldn’t be surprising. Remember: The last time the conditions were even close to this good (in 1987), investors made 665% profits. Of course, nothing in the investment world can be guaranteed, but we believe the Secret Currency is one of the best investments in the world right now, in terms of risks, safety, and potential rewards.

“I think it makes sense for every American to own at least a small stake, with a small percentage of your overall holdings.”

So what are they talking about? Well, it’s still … collectible gold coins. That’s distinguished from bullion gold coins, like the modern American Eagle coin, which are priced based on the gold value they contain plus a couple of percent for the convenience of having them in coin form — they’re not rare, and people don’t pay big premiums for them.

But some collectible coins are quite rare, and fortunes have been made (and kept) by gold coin enthusiasts throughout history, including the many families Sjuggerud’s ad name-drops to get your attention. These are the coins, generally the most widely held are pre-1933 US gold coins, that will always be worth at least what the bullion goes for (since they could be melted down) but are generally sold at steep premiums to the bullion price because of their scarcity and/or condition. Most of these coins didn’t spend time rattling around in pockets, so all the ones you see are likely to be in very good shape but the gradations in condition are critically important to their value to collectors — you’ll generally see the best of the coins given a “Mint State” number and encased in plastic with an authentication certificate from a coin grader (MS-70 is “perfect” and pretty much unheard of for gold coins of this age, but a MS-61 coin will often get a solid several-hundred-dollar premium per coin (over the melt value) — and a MS-65 US $20 gold coin from the 1920s or 30s, which will look pretty much perfect to a non-collector and which contains just under an ounce of gold, could easily be worth twice the melt value (or far more, if it’s a rare date).

Steve Sjuggerud has been recommending gold coins for about ten years, and I’ve written about those teasers for years as well, but this time around he isn’t terribly specific in the ads about exactly which coins he’s recommending — he has liked several different kinds of gold collectible coins in the past, to my knowledge they’ve all been pretty high-volume well-known US coins (meaning there’s a ready market for them, they’re not “liquid” like stocks or bullion are liquid, but they’re pretty easy to sell at decent prices).

Probably his most successful recommendation in this vein has been the graded (MS-64 or MS-65) pre-1933 US $20 St. Gaudens Double Eagle coin, which rode up dramatically with the price of gold over the past decade but has, like gold, come back down a bit. His argument is that gold collectibles will continue to hold value far better than the gold bullion that they contain if bullion prices stay flat or drop, and that they are likely to become substantially more valuable, at much higher premiums to melt value, if we have another currency crisis or, as the gold bugs like to say, a severe disruption like a gold confiscation plan from the government a’la FDR in 1933 (that’s not going to happen, by the way — there’s no need for a revaluation of gold like FDR spurred with his confiscation plan, because the currency is not backed by gold as it was then … we can revalue the currency every day by printing a few trillion more dollars, and we’re already doing that).

There are manias in the gold coin collecting world as there are in any other collectible, so sometimes these coins have been extraordinarily valuable — coin enthusiasts like to cite times when these Double Eagles in average condition were going for multiples of the gold price (I’ve heard $4,000 for the coins in 1989, when the gold value would have been less than a tenth that amount), so that’s the real value proposition: they can’t be worth less than bullion since you could always melt them down, but they can go up a lot faster than bullion if the collectors get excited.

But over the years some of Sjuggerud’s chatter about gold coins for his subscribers has gradually come out and become more “public” — so I’ll just let you check out his words from 2010 and decide for yourself. He has a free 2010 version of much the same recommendation up on his website here, with presumably a similar logic and plan to what he’s pitching now, and coincidentally the prices of both gold (around $1,300) and the MS-64 PCGS St. Gaudens (around $1,800), are relatively close to where they were then (gold’s at $1,200, the MS-64 PCGS St. Gaudens is about $1,550 — so you can see that the premium can certainly shrink over any given time period). Check it out and see if you like the logic of buying these kinds of coins.

Personally, I do hold some coins that have collectible value beyond their gold or silver content, but that’s been more or less an accident and I haven’t made myself an expert on this stuff and don’t plan to, so I don’t make big investments in collectibles — I’d urge you to make the study of such things a serious hobby if you plan to invest serious money into these kinds of assets, whether they’re classic cars or old musical instruments or Victorian bed pans or, yes, old or rare gold coins.

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And back to the present — right now from Apmex or other big dealers it looks like the MS-64 St. Gaudens are offered for about $1,500 or so with gold at $1,200, so if you had bought in October 2013 and had to sell now you’d be looking at something like a $300 loss on the collectible coin versus a $100 loss on the bullion. Those numbers are not particularly accurate, either the prices I jotted down today or the ones I checked 18 months ago, but that’s the kind of leveraged action collectibles can sometimes provide when sentiment shifts about gold — the collectible coin market is obviously influenced by the bullion market, but it’s also influenced by supply and demand of specific coins, among other things, and is far smaller than the gold market with wider bid/ask spreads and a less consistent price from dealer to dealer.

I wouldn’t tell anyone to bet their portfolio on either gold coins or Bitcoin, but gold is embedded in human culture as a traditional store of value and has been for thousands of years, and it is shiny and physical, so that gives it the leg up over Bitcoin if you’re talking about a “hard asset” with a controlled or constrained supply (gold is constrained by the amount already produced and the mineable deposits found, historical gold coins by the amount actually minted, and Bitcoin by algorithm and controlled release over time). Bitcoin’s longer-term potential and the reason for most of the venture capital interest in the technology is not just the non-manipulatable supply that’s not controlled by governments (I wouldn’t be 100% sure about either of those things), but the possibility that it could radically revamp money transfer technology and make it faster and cheaper, undercutting bank and credit card networks.

So far, from what I can tell, Bitcoin is not particularly fast or cheap for any real world applications and it’s a terrible way to transfer money if it can fluctuate 5% in the time it takes to move from your bank account in dollars, into Bitcoin, to someone else’s bitcoin wallet, into their bank account in whatever their currency is … of course, if you just keep your money in Bitcoin then it’s notably faster but can still take many minutes to confirm a transfer, which rules it out as a means of purchasing goods even for those few merchants who are, either for ideological, experimental, or publicity-seeking purposes, accepting Bitcoin for the sale of actual goods.

But does that mean you should eschew Bitcoin for collectibles? Or buy collectible gold coins as a store of value? Your call. I’d rather depend on bullion as a store of value than on collectible coins or bitcoin, since the latter is so unproven and possibly ephemeral and the former requires more attention and expertise than I particularly want to give or build … but it does sure seem that collectible coins have sometimes been very lucrative investments, particularly when purchased for not much more than their melt value and at times of economic pessimism when they were unloved. I’m relieved that my ability to pay the mortgage next month does not depend on any of those three asset classes going up.

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Alan Harris
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If its not bullion….buy stamps or wine or the memorabilia contents of Maralyn Monroes trash can.

David L
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I am not aware of the full details, but I have heard that the Chinese have mastered the art of counterfeiting rare US coins. This could certainly cause some heartburn for novice collectors.

dealerdeb1
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The Chinese can master counterfeiting ANYTHING. Their only goal is to dominate through money. America has let them

moxadox
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The best place to buy collectible coins is not to buy them. A shoe box in Grandma’s attic would do just fine. Or a junk store, like the one where I found a box full of 25 silver bullion dollars, ranging from late 1800’s Morgans to my favorite 1921 Peace Dollars, VG Circulated. I paid $75 for the lot. I collect coins because I like ’em, not because I’m hoping they’ll make me a grubstake.

dealerdeb1
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I buy a few silver bars for for my grandkids. and a few gold coins a year. I wouldn’t bet the farm on either but its a nice feel to see a box of shiney things .Just a small diversification and I only buy really when the price is way down. Silver is low now so is gold a few of each isn’t a bad idea. I’d rather get my 5-7% dividends

Lawrence
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Gold and silver prices are NOT low. Oh, I know….they are saying silver bullion and gold bullion prices are below the wholesale mining cost now……..it’s a lie. How many tons of ore must be moved and separated to collect 1 troy ounce of Gold? Depends on the mine…..but say it is 200 tons…..and the mining cost is $5/ton…..then the mining cost is $1000/ounce. Same thing with Silver……20 tons of ore for every ounce of silver…..except the price to move that ore is only $1/ton for silver (why, I dunno, rock is rock)…..then the mining cost is $20/ounce for Silver. But,… Read more »
Patricia
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This is just for fun Lawrence so don’t go getting all Texas-style riled up on me, but the argument that “you can’t eat gold” is dead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Opulence_Sundae

Al
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What’s harder to do, eat a bar of silver, a tractor or a bank deposit? They are all quite inedible as is but can be converted to real food.

joe
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I buy Lead and Brass. I find farmers readily accept them and just about everyone else. It’s a great investment that never goes down in value no matter what the market is doing. If I want gold its easily obtained for trade at more than generous prices. Everyone loves doing business with you and are eager to meet all of your wants and needs. Best investment ever!

Robert Graf
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Robert Graf

During the depression, the gold went back to the farms. That’s why they industrialized farming since then. The farmers were getting sacks of gold (coins, jewelry, etc) for a bushel of corn. What the farmers wanted, however, was somebody who could do repair work. Food, clothing and shelter are our needs. If you can tend to them, you’ll do fine. Most job skills are worthless.

SoGiAm
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IF, Robert, joe et al, You have #CleanWater & a #CleanEnvironment $CDNL cardinalres.com – Ben http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2015/11/microblog-water-our-most-precious-resource/ 🙂

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Hey I’m not against collectible gold coins. I own some! I own more bullion of course, but that won’t lends to your cute marketing idea of secret currency. 🙂 That said though, you’re missing the boat or just not sharing the information with your subscribers you know you should. EVERYONE should own some bitcoin. With a fraction of the gains just in 2013 you’d be crazy not to. I get that at the moment it has a limited reach as a currency and mode of freely transferring value, but it already meets several niche market needs and is growing (yes… Read more »
archives2001
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OR do as Bill Still recommends:
Diversify into alternative ‘Crypto Currencies’ still in their infancies and
MUCH cheaper such as Quarkcoin.
Also, junk silver coins (pre 1965 US) are currently priced about 1/50th the price
of gold. Thru the ages, the standard ratio has been about 1/16th.
Doesn’t take a math genius to figure this one out.

Dave
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Right–gold is going to plunge soon.

archives2001
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Yep, ‘Broken Clock Harry’ Dent sez gold will drop as low as $750.
Of course he’s WAY over due on that prediction but he may prove
out to be correct, at least for a period of time b4 hyper inflation
could raise it’s ugly head.

hendrixnuzzles
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right…unless you are wrong

projectfreedomblog
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There’s a couple with promise, but you just increase your risk a hundredfold until any of them show any promise of a real option that can compete. None have yet so Bitcoin is the strong bet with first mover advantage. It will happen no-doubt. The only question is which one(s) and will more than one survive in the space.

jonomalley
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Wow Mark. With that level of confidence you really should go place some bets at the track. You seem to have knowledge into the future. FYI if gumshoe wrote like you I wouldn’t read his stuff. Nobody knows what’s going to happen to anything. That’s why I and many of us appreciate Travis. He takes the hype out and says it like it is. Which is usually with a good dose of healthy skepticism.

projectfreedomblog
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Yes, message received Jon. That’s the benefit of this not being one of my sites and reaching out on the limb a little further. You might have mistaken my strong tone to mean Bitcoin is a sure bet. It’s not. But, the technology protocol and the digital currency space is what I meant is going nowhere but into a major player in the fiat currency markets of the world. The genie is out of the bottle and the Internet and world economies and currencies will never be the same again. I then simply justify that Bitcoin/bitcoin has incredible and real… Read more »
archives2001
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Here’s a recent interview with Stefan Molyneux and Erik Voorhees:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBF7Sev2dZM
Also, David Seaman, http://www.youtube.com/davidseamanonline
spent a couple hrs on coasttocoastam.com last nite discussing it.
The interview will probably be posted on youtube in a day or so.

archives2001
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archives2001
This is another excellent site to bookmark” On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:07 AM, The Coinbase Blog wrote: The latest blog posts from The Coinbase Blog. Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. The Latest From Coinbase.com In This Issue: Security Updates On Coinbase Security Updates On Coinbase Jan 14, 2014 05:57 pm Providing secure storage of bitcoin is one of the most important products we offer at Coinbase. In that vein, we’d like to mention some new security features that we’ve added: Improved Offline Storage Of Bitcoin As you may have read previously, we keep… Read more »
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With the cost of Bitcoin as it is now, how do you justify it to be First Mover status? Have you read the article which said if one firm gained over 50% of the vote it will control the Bitcoin, er … I imagine in that scenario it would be much much worse than the situation now with Central Bank controlling everything now!

Terrible Tom
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It isn’t a “mute” point; it’s a “moot” point. Different words and different meanings.

Mike Zorn
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Mike Zorn

How liquid are Bitcoins? How useful are they in trade? There are a few companies now that accept them as payment. What’s the value of a Bitcoin today, and how much has it fallen from its recent high?

And who (or what) established the value?

Tim Kennedy
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And why is price higher in Mt.Gox.com VS. Bitcoin.com ?? Can I transfer my Bits from Bitcoin.com and sale higher @ Mt.Gox ??

pumaro
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Bitcoins are the ultimate liquid asset. Coinbase is the best place to get them quickly. People trade them on exchanges and make a good deal of profit due to the predictable patterns etc. I mine them and loan them to people that do the trading via bitlendingclub.com. I don’t recommend mining to anyone but somehow I got into it at the right time and have stayed ahead of the curve. Still I would have done better to have simply bought them straight up. If you want to mine them let me know I will make you a great deal on… Read more »
hendrixnuzzles
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What happens when the power goes off

srqrebel
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Ha. The sound of crickets is deafening…

Rachel Fisher
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Rachel Fisher

What do you mean by this? That a power outage would cause Bitcoins to disappear? Then all data in the world would be at risk all the time. Or do you mean if there is some type of long-term apocalypse? In that case your paper dollars and plastic credit cards would be immediately worthless as well. Currencies have held no intrinsic value to human survival since we stopped trading in salt.

dealerdeb1
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I wouldn’t even know where to buy a bitcoin lol

Joan B
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Travis, you are so much fun! “…or Victorian bed pans” But you didn’t mention Beanie Babies!

Lulu
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Now I have a collection of them I’d be happy to sell. Some are actually from 30 years ago when McDonalds had them as Happy Meal toys…really no kidding. And I have some rare ones that have the wrong tags…..now how is that for nuts.
Anyone out there wanna trade some bit coins for Beanie Babies??
Love it…laughing to myself!!

Patricia
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Hold on to them Beanie Babies Lulu! Ever watch Antique Roadshow? What seems useless now can be a great legacy for your grandchildren or great-grandchildren. I can imagine some appraiser explaining the Beanie Baby craze to a surprised and suddenly richer owner in 30 or 40 years…

R. Kayea
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Many comments have been made about investing in Bitcoin but none have commented about how one can learn about or invest in this cyber space “money”. Would appreciate some educational infiormation about this “new currency”.

Dave
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I found out about it myself, just using Google. MtGox.com is the main site, but there is a process of setting up a ‘bitcoin wallet’ required as well. I found details of a bank account in Japan and transferred about 1000 dollars there and then purchased bitcoins through MtGox (after setting up an account with them). Since then I have withdrawn 1000 dollars and a further 2,000 dollars and still have 5 bitcoins left at currently about 900 dollars each. So it’s been a good investment for me and I think there may be more profit to come, but I… Read more »
don_x
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How about buying a huge stash of FOREVER stamps. Their value keeps rising as the USPS raises prices on stamps?

moxadox
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What an interesting idea.

dealerdeb1
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I think its illegal to trade postage for money but I could be wrong. Someone said that a while back and the Postmaster told me to speculate on forever stamps is not legal.

Jeff
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Jeff

I already bought a lifetime supply of forever emails

Gary W
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Gary W

That e-mail costs me about a dollar a day for maybe 5 mails that I really want. And the $1 will go up with inflation. Plus the government reads all my e-mails and they can get at me.

Lulu
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Oh my Gawd, Im laughing again, this is great. Ever time the post office ups the price of a stamp, there would be money to be made. How does one sell enough stamps to make it worth while? too funny. Thanks for the brilliance.

Gui
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Gui

I did that LOL, but only because I’m cheap and a dinosaur. I refuse to do online banking but have traded in an online brokerage fo 16 years, go figure. I love the smell of paper bills in my mailbox.

john
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“Junk store”? As in a pawn shop or 2nd hand store (i.e. goodwill)? They were found in a box accidentally and sold them to you for $75?

moxadox
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Junk store. Used to have them all over here in Western North Carolina. This one was crammed top to bottom with all kinds of old stuff–chairs, chamber pots, cast iron cookware (I bought a whole bunch of that cause I like to cook with it), and you could barely walk in there. Old guy chewing tobacco behind a beat-up jewelry case, and in it was a Morgan dollar, pretty rough shape, but I bought it, and he says, “you like old coins?” and I say, “yeah,” and he gets out this little cardboard box full of silver bullion coins. So… Read more »
Lulu
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It’s a big TV business now. My old Dad gets a real kick out of those shows.

Mitch
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The forever stamp idea sounds good except if the postal service goes away in the future, what will be the value of those stamps? Postage rates will go to $0.00 and the stamps are valued @ the going rate = $0.00 ????

archives2001
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Good point Mitch!
Don’t know about you but the last letter I mailed was a month ago.
OTOH, I collect old stamps (philately), and when I buy them from other dealers, etc,
the going price is around half of their orig value if they’r uncancelled.
Much less if they’r cancelled or unless they’r scarce or rare.

Gary W
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Gary W

Um, why do you think they have “forever” stamps! Haha

wirthy
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My coin collecting experience is best described as sex without the sex…

Chuck Poarch
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Chuck Poarch

Thank you for all your words of wisdom over many years of publishing. I am an ardent reader of Gumshoe.

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Collectable items aren’t a currency. Numismatic value is not the basis for a currency. The risks of numismatic value are much higher than those of bullion, and this includes the costs of the coin dealers. The Chinese aren’t counterfeiting just collectable coins, they are also counterfeiting bullion coins. So if you buy bullion coins you need to buy them in a sealed package–and then never open the sealed package–and of course hope that what is in the sealed package is genuine. Who needs to add all this complexity to his life? Besides Sjuggerud. Should we trust Sjuggerud because he has… Read more »
archives2001
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archives2001

Great words of wisdom ‘Doc’ Ventureshadow!
I agree with most everything u say except for ‘currency’.
My perspective on currency:
Fiat, the currency of the masses
Gold, the currency of governments & elites
Power/Control: the currency of the UEs (uber elites)

Mike Zorn
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Mike Zorn

If you have a long-term plan, buy them direct from the US Mint. That’ll get you certification and provenance.

John B.
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Go to Argentina. That’s where all the gold is stashed

archives2001
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archives2001

They may have some gold but their economy is on a roller coaster.
It’s rumored that Argentina and perhaps Iceland, may officially
sanction Bitcoin (&/or other Cryptos) as ‘currency’ in the next few months.
We’ll see.

Anthony Alfidi
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Bitcoin is increasingly becoming a teaser for HYIP scams. Crypto-currency enthusiasts’ general distrust for conventional investing makes them prime targets for new frauds: http://alfidicapitalblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-intersection-of-hyip-and-bitcoin.html

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Great input here, Travis! Good Questions regarding Sjuggerud. I have two problems with this gentleman,,First, he has the same name as a fifth grade teacher I Had, and I can’t get her image out of my mind when I hear Sjuggerud’s name. Next, he is associated with Stansberry who runs a Political Hack Shop from Floriduh, (home of the SE Mafia and nice beaches). If you followed the trades of that shop in 2013, you would have had an opportunity loss vs. the S&P of @30% Even IF you didn’t buy any of their recommendations. Their gold/metal trades were down… Read more »
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I stopped getting the Stansberry report a few months ago. I couldn’t take it anymore, the faceless monotone 90 minute videos, incessant pitches to upgrade to their Premium services and the arrogant invitations to go on Safari, or invest in pricey Central American exclusive island retreats etc. But what really scared me was the personal emails I received immediately after watching one of the videos. ” hello this is Carolyn( or whoever) from the marketing department of Stansberry research. We know you watched one of Porters videos last night regarding “whatever” and since we have your credit card on file… Read more »
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See, I know how to spell “advantages.” As for Stansberry, I have come to view him/them as in the same category as Fred Dent. That is not a compliment. Most “advisers” have no respect for their audiences’ time. They just ramble on and on. They give you no ability to move rapidly through the presentation, or to go forward or backward to any point in the presentation. When I get that kind of crap, I leave the page, despite being told that I am giving up advice that was going to make me rich. I just click on “Chuck you… Read more »
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my late mother was a collector of US silver dollars which she used to make gifts to people on their silver anniversaries or for birthdays. since she worked at a bank she had access to the coins. so I have a bunch of slightly foxed US silver bucks in the safe and boy do they weigh a tonne. Then I got a $5 gold piece from a neighbor whose family had hidden it from the evil Franklin D Roosevelt in 1933, to wear in my shoe when I became a bride. My husband was given a gold sovereign, and we… Read more »
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Those German Marks aren’t completely worthless Vivian…
Take a look at what they’r selling for on eBay.

Mike Zorn
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That’s a great story. The $5 gold piece is one of those “history markers” that remind us of what the country used to be like.

I’d collect a few Reichsmarks or recent Zimbabwean banknotes just to the the denominations: 1 Trillion Reichsmarks, the 100 Trillion Zimbabwe dollar note.

There’s a WSJ article from May 2011 about collectors snapping up those Zimbabwe notes.

Many of those old (early or pre-1900) stock certificates were quite elaborate. Along with Confederate currency.

PS: What is your website?

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Don’t really have an active one right now Mike.
Feel free to email me at:
archives2001@yahoo.com

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Vivian – Great comments – you paint a wonderful historic picture of your life. Do you actually have a website? please reply so we can check it out!

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The Princeton and Yale guys could

Ian
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Stanley Gibbons plc SGI.L or SGI.LSE is the worlds most respected stamp dealer, and they also trade rare coins. If you buy anything from them, and leave it with them, it is guaranteed genuine to you and any future buyer. Moreover the oddity stamps with misprints were all catalogued years ago so Chinese fakes cannot appear, they do not have the provenance. The whereabouts of all the genuine examples is known. Then again you could trade on other peoples’ fear and buy shares in Stanley Gibbons, which have been doing very well. Check out their website.
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Sound words of wisdom, Ian!…
thnx a lot.
btw, Stanley Gibbons took over Bidstart so eBay better watch out.
Have bought quite a few stamps/ ephemera from them.
Am also into 78rpm records from the 20s and 30s
in case u know anyone who wants to sell theirs.
My Yahoo email is archives2001

srqrebel
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Hindsight reveals that buying SGI at the time that comment was published in Jan. 2014, would have been a bad move: http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB0009628438JEGBXAIM.html

Joan in Houston
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I am not a gold-bug, but I do have a certain fascination with coins. Occasionally I buy newly-minted coins from the Royal Canadian Mint, whose minting is the most attractive and fine, anywhere in the world. Their offerings do specify exactly how many of a certain item will be minted. If I live long enough, it is possible that other collectors will bid up the value of certain old things, in due course. Joan in Houston

hendrixnuzzles
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Do it as a hobby and pay as close to spot as you can. You’ll wind up a happy hobbyist.

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Two Bitcoin ATMs now in Canada: HuffPost Article January 17, 2014 Bitcoin — that real but seems not real — rather puzzling form of digital money now has its own Toronto ATM machine. The digital cryptocurrency, not regulated by any form of government or bank, is a new phenomenon. Although legal, some events tied to the new type of currency, like October’s FBI shutdown of the Silk Road shutdown — a marketplace for illegal drugs and other illicit goods — harmed the reputation of Bitcoin. But the money made of data blocks is still alive and well and is being… Read more »
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Jan 15th David Seaman interview on Coasttocoastam.
David is author of ‘Bitcoin Primer’: This is an outstanding discussion.
(begin at the 5 min mark w/ brief interview w/ Catherine Austin Fitts) ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFjEdzRNKI

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I was doing some research on the topic of ancient human civilizations and came across the latest findings of what may very well be the first civilization of humankind. It existed 200,000 years ago in South Africa and what really caught my eye about this ancient civilization was they were big into gold mining! Now, one has to sit up and take notice at that, that gold’s importance to humans goes that far back and what are the chances that today’s paper or digital money can dislodge something which is so deeply entrenched within our collective unconscious.

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Lucy,
Some Tinfoil Hatters propose an alien race came here 400,000
years ago to S Africa to mine our gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIrH-2HGDds

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You will probably not be able to find any great ancient civilization, anytime or anywhere,
that did not value gold highly.

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Gold is the go but when you have the Morgans and the Sachs using it as a derivatives tool and selling 1000’s of times the 1 oz of gold then theres a problem so when they realise that they have created so much deficit and that they can never repay the physical gold to the buyers they crash the price – this was done recently were 24 billion dollars of gold was sold – but not one OZ physically moved anywhere. But the market got BUT they never sell 1 oz of gold It all done on computers and HST… Read more »