“Average Joe” Adam Mesh trading systemAnyone had any experience with the Adam Mesh trading system?
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This is a brand new page and helps explain a lot. Let me know if you need more.
http://www.adammesh.com/coaching/
I signed up for this a few years ago and Adam set me up with a great coach located not far from where I live. For me it was the real deal and I wanted to stick it out but was dealing with a very ill parent at the time. I hope to get back into it one day and if I do, I will go with Adam Mesh because I was learning a lot from my coach and just being in the program kept me wanting to learn as well as hopeful that I could be successful at it.
I just spent 45 minutes on a Friday evening speaking with Adam Mesh about his available programs. He was extremely informative, very professional, and never once pushed me into signing up for one of his programs. I found him a delight, and am seriously considering working with him in one of his one-on-one coaching programs. I specifically discussed how the programs would work, and nothing resembled anything like the ones described above. I, too, have been burnt by other programs…to be specific, just about anything from the Weiss Group. At least Adam Mesh’s program allows you to pay as you go, and if you aren’t satisfied, you just stop paying and participating. How can you lose?
Just happened on this VERY INTERESTING THREAD, over the holiday weekend. GOOD GUY THIS MESH IS, BUT FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS FOR ME. I did some moderate trading years ago, and paid A LARGE SUM, for four different trading programs (unrelated to the Mesh system I’m sure, whatever he does). Two were marginally useful, one in particular. The other two…WORTHLESS. In fact the promoter on one was in the slammer in Oregon, for 7 years for fraud in several states.
As a battle hardened contractor/developer, I diverted my resources into several single family homes, and one multi-family project, JUST BEFORE THE BIG CRASH. How could any of us ever have known how bad it was going to be. Over the past 4 years I have lost…HARD CASH AND VERY HARD EARNED EQUITY, well in excess of a half million. Unlike so many others, I did not go under, but had my nose just a half inch above water for months on end. Blood and guts, toughing it out. Only one project left to resolve, to reach…SAFE HARBOR, which I certainly will.
I started getting these MESH EMAILS about the time my Titanic (and the market) was crashing. His youthful soccer coach mentality, and superbly crafted words of encouragement were a LIFE RAFT of FUN TO READ, in a sea of financial insanity, and legal maneuvering, stuffing my in box.
That said, I don’t know anything about his system, have never seen him on the tube (didn’t have the time), nor how his tools would compare to what I have since learned about market mechanics. DOESN’T MATTER.
This MESH GUY is made of REAL LEATHER. He passes the smell test. His enthusiasm is magnetic and tantalizing BUT, his communication style IS GENUINE and confident. Strange, how that cheery, heart-felt, enthusiastic little weekly soccer-coach piece, was a WELCOME AND INSPIRING BREAK, through some bad stress. Useful light at the end of the tunnel, of all things coming from an advertiser.
However, like anything else…if you won’t dedicate the time, don’t spend the dime.
Hey David,
Just wanted to say thanks. I was having a nice, long July 4th weekend and this email was dessert! Knowing that I had a positive impact for you in any way felt great and I really appreciate you letting me and every “gumshoe” know. The fact that you took the time to write this says a lot about you and I wish you everything good.
Fondly,
Adam Mesh
You deserved a respectable payback, for several years of good attitude. I had a little time as well over the 4th to reset my neural net. I spent a few days with my wife at 12-13,000 feet in the mountains near Telluride, Colo. That harsh rocky treeless intimidating elevation, and super thin air, can really smoke your motor.
One thing remains though (and shockingly, I got an interesting answer on this concern last year, from John Dorfman’s investment firm, Boston,Massachusetts). How can you Eastern (New York) types be such rabid Democrats, and yet such rabid Capitalists at the same time? Am I missing something? How can you be so upbeat and positive, in the midst of such Socialist, Secular, chronic convulsions. If I come to New York, I guess I’ll have to bring my own 64 ounce drinking cup.
Why don’t they just move the NYSE out here to Denver and be done with it. Call it the DEN-SE, or “DENSE” for short. What a trading ride we are headed for…sitting in an 18 TRILLION (deficit) DOLLAR roller coaster, with “Benny, and the Jets” in the front car. What a rip.
Anyway, thanks for your reply. I am financially nearly back in the saddle. Seems logical that such economic conditions make for “useful” volatility. It would seem, from the few clues I have carved out of your emails, that your system takes handy advantage of such.
Looking forward to roughly this Fall time, for a Look-see…
David
Good stuff David! You gave me my chuckle for the day. The perverse market conditions where sometimes good news is bad news is the reason you must trade on action only as far as you can see with your headlights. Most of the the rest of the world economy is in worse shape than the States and the QE ponzi scheme keeps us afloat. One thing for sure, there WILL be a global economy “reboot.” When that will happen exactly is anybody’s guess. People who “invest” just do not get it. Trade people trade!
Paul,
SUPERB INSIGHT. A TRUE GIFT. I’ll use “high beams” during Republican Administrations, and “low beams” during Democrat Administrations.
That said, outside of a cobble of moral issues, there’s not a lick of difference these days between either party. Indeed volatility is the order of the day. It was harsh and unremitting volatility, that destroyed much of my real estate activity, for several years. Ugly.
So then…in that same spirit that permeates Mesh’s company, do we learn from it, or do we become bitter because of it. At some point the pain of change becomes less than the pain of endurance.
I remember reading a few years ago, where Mesh said that he bounced around pretty hard getting HIS trading education. That means his insights come from EXPERIENCE…NOT ACADEMIA. And he was honest in telling the brutal side of it.
I respect that…especially now.
Hey Paul, thanks for the response, best to ya…
Dave
Hello Good People,
I can understand the questions and skepticism many have about the Adam Mesh program because I was right in there with you about two years ago. I wanted to learn stock trading, didn’t know the first thing about it, & researched multiple training options. Even though I chose to begin Adam’s program, I was highly skeptical before and during my 1st month, looking for any and all red flags. I was skeptical from so many scams but also because he was working in a field -training – that I thought I knew something about. Before I retired, (a year before I started AMTG’s coaching program) I spent two decades in organizational development, establishing short and long-term training (professional development) programs in the US and beyond. I was certain I’d find each and every shortcoming in AMTG’s coaching program & told myself that I’d drop out after the first month. I did plan on taking advantage of their option to pay as I go. Well, not only did I NOT find what I was certain I would, but my Ph.D. in Org Systems was humbled too. To answer an earlier question, NO, their coaches do not change all the time. I don’t know of any coaching personnel changes in the last two years. I also met 9 of Adam’s staff and
they each had been with him since 2006. It seems to be a pretty stable, committed group. To respond, in at least one way, to questions addressing why Adam and others are coaching if they’re such great, rich traders. First, I must say I was taken aback by what seemed to be a negative perspective of “teaching.” Anecdotally, my husband is a public high school teacher on an Indian reservation (most would consider such students very challenging) and he has taught for 30+ years for the sheer LOVE of it. In fact, at 69 he keeps pushing back retirement. I have come to think that some people are drawn to coaching or teaching out of what some might describe as an inner calling. Not every human action is motivated by money. Another topic was about Adam and his coaches and that the implication was that they must be losers or liars since they coach. My immediate response is because THEY HAVE TONS OF FREE TIME and want to contribute some of it to others. The trading method we are taught at AMTG is NOT day-trading. It is also Low Risk and High Reward. We use Adam’s prioritized aspects of technical analysis, his screening criteria, and his risk management strategies to buy and sell a limited # of stocks. His method requires only a FEW HOURS a week. It is NOT all day, everyday and his method is NOT about being chained to a computer to make money. Though I cleared a few grand for myself this week based on my newbie 100 share size purchases, the majority of my time was spent with my husband, family from overseas, writing, etc. etc. Adam and the coaches I have met make much bigger bucks than I do because they buy much larger positions. But that doesn’t mean they spend any more time. I would just like to suggest that anyone and everyone with questions – to call the AMTG @ 212-774-5980. Your call will be answered by one of the staff – not a computer. Find out for yourself, not second or third hand. That seems pretty simple to me. And, please know I am not a plant from AMTG or being paid. I only responded because there seemed to be so much based on nothing as I found out!
I realize this is a very old thread, but I have insomnia and read stuff like this sometimes…
I have to say your comment is so very true! I trade for a living, mostly options, and I LOVE to teach anyone who is serious about learning this. I don’t have a ton of free time, but I see it as paying it forward, as I have been given many hours of time by others over the years. And you are exactly correct, the more free time one has, if they love to teach, they will use it teaching.
I want to learn 🙂
sbenton827@gmail.com
Does this work with IRA funds? Or do you have to trade with Adam’s group? Thnx in advance.
Hey Russ,
We have a bunch of people who trade with their IRA’s. SOmetimes it can be unique to the plan so best to speak with your advisor. You are never required to trade with our group and we recommend top tier broker dealers but do not take in accounts ourselves. Hope that helps!
hey adam~
I’m new here on this board and was just trying to find out something (good or bad) about you and your services. From what I’ve gathered it all sounds good. Thnx for the response.
Thanks for the interest Russ.
Instead of buying the next get rich quick stock trading service scheme for anywhere between $47.00- $3,000.00, consider going to Barnes and Noble and getting an education about stock trading and investing for FREE.
Also, you can get a lot of credible and valuable investing information just reading the Wall Street journal.
If you already have money to invest, consider investing in a diversified portfolio of low cost ETFs to include exposure to large, mid, small cap, international, emerging markets, real estate and commodities. Many good ones charge a paltry 0.15% annual fee.
If you want to invest in something similar to an actively managed momentum style hedge fund, without paying anything near the high costs associated with investing in a hedge fund, check out ETFs: GURU and AlFA.
A big problem with these stock trading services is that even if you establish a position and it moves favorably, it can be difficult to get the type of execution on your trades needed to achieve similar results as the services mentor claims to achieve. Poor execution will literally f up the entire trade and make it either a losing trade, a non executed trade or a barely profitable trade. Factor in the costs of frequent trading and you could end up spinning your wheels just trying to break even.
There is no doubt money to be made by short term trading stocks and ETFs, but you better know what you’re doing. For every trade thats closed there is a winner and loser.
Hey Chris,
I have to say, the advise you just gave above is completely wrong and very irresponsible. Paul congratulating you on your comments just adds more momentum in the wrong direction.
I am not trying to call you out but somehow this forum became a hub for idea generation and as it’s all written under my name, I feel compelled to comment when I see advice being given that can negatively impact people.
I will go through your email now and explain why I feel so strongly.
1.) First you expound the benefits of a FREE education. Let me ask everyone out there, how many times has FREE cost you a lot of money. Personally, I had a friend offer to do free legal work when I was closing on my apartment. He filed the papers late which put the deal in jeopardy and eventually led to a renegotiation costing tens of thousands of dollars. Then I had to bring in a new lawyer and pay him extra for expedited work. I’d much rather pay someone well to get the job done correctly then look for whatever is free because there’ nothing worse than moving backwards instead of forwards! You can read medical books for free but would you act as a doctor without proper training? Regarding the WSJ, there’s definitely good info there but there is now way that every positive article means a company’s value will go up. You must have a basic knowledge of the market before acting on information or you are putting yourself at risk.
2.) When you talk about ETF’s, that is what elicited such a strong reaction from me. I literally disagree with everything you say here. Have you successfully traded ETF’s? The majority of people I know have not and it’s for one main reason, they don’t trade true. They don’t move in correlation with their sector and there is often a lot of manipulation because the big funds use the big etf’s as a hedging device so they can actually being buying or selling big shares as a hedge against a big stock trade. Meaning – they invest in a stock because they think it is the top performer in a sector. The only concern is that the sector underperforms. So they buy the stock and then buy a bearish etf or short a bullish etf. It’s going the wrong way because it’s being used as a hedge.
3. You then recommend GURU which has an average volume of 127,578. That’s way too low for an individual to trade. If it’s illiquid, then you can’t get in and out with ease. AIFA is even worse. Average volume of 11,831 shares. I really just don’t understand how you an recommend those to people. Please don’t do it on this forum. I know we get a big audience here but I kindly ask you go somewhere else to talk about things like this.
4. In the next paragraph, you even identify your own problem. You get poor execution because you are trading stocks that have no volume! I do agree with you that if there is a firm that recommends stocks, your timing will not be in line with the ‘mentor.’ You used the word mentor but that would be more of a stock picker or guru cause they are making recommendations. A mentor is a teacher. At our group, we teach people how to execute orders for themselves so they are not dependent on someone else to tell them what to do. So we agree on that but I think your poor execution might be from the stocks you are trading.
5. I hope you find this helpful and understand why I must make such a strong stance here.
6. I was a trader first and then a publisher so I enjoy these exchanges here. However, i’d rather be discussing great trade ideas. For more about what we do, the website adammesh.com explains it best.
You seem to have a response for everything–always a good sign. SPY has a correlation of .999935 with the emini.
Well said Chris!
see my earlier posts on April 28th as paul, May 30th as sylvanpc, and again as paul on June 15th to get further info on free investor education and my opinion on trading services as I have tried a few
With all the questions about how much this system really costs… WHY WON’T ANYONE ANSWER THE QUESTION? Adam was willing to tell how much ameritrade charges. Is he afraid or ashamed to tell how much he or his coaches charge?
There must be someone out there that is willing to say how much they actually paid or are paying for this service from Adam Mesh.
Hi Charles,
My information may be a little outdated, but before I get to price, The Adam Mesh Trading Program was great for me. I really enjoy trading stocks and when I joined in 2009 of course the market was crazy, still is, and his program and coaches were a huge help to me.
Their services is incredible. In fact, after working with my first coach I really didn’t feel like I got everything out of the sessions that I had hoped to and I was really having a hard time being successful at trading. I spoke with Adam directly (you can see that he is more than willing to talk with people) regarding this situation and he and his company made it right.
He had, in what is my opinion, his best coach and mentor work with me an additional 8 sessions at no extra charge. The sessions with the new coach and mentor were incredible and I really feel that the instruction provided put me on a path to have more success.
For nearly 5 months I tracked every trade on an excel spreadsheet (bit of a nerd) that Adam talked about on the weekly trading call and after that time 70% of all the trades he addressed followed the rules that his program was teaching. What that equates to is that if you made every trade addressed on the weekly call then you would be right 7 out of 10 times.
For me, my biggest challenge was having sufficient funds to make every trade. At the time I was going to school after having been let go at work and so of course money was tight. I really felt like I needed 10k in my trading account to make the trades I wanted to. Please keep in mind this is a personality trait on my part and not a requirement of his program. There were plenty of people in the program who were trading with a few thousand dollars and able to make $1.00 or more per share on the trades they placed.
For any person who decides to use Adam Mesh’s system it is not the system you have to worry about, it is your own emotions and controlling those, following the rules, and executing the trades. Again, being right 70% of the time if you follow the rules is pretty incredible. He and his coaches have that track record because they have been doing this for years and are seasoned. Most likely not every individual is going to achieve those results without the same kind of effort and consistency.
Now back to the real question, as far as cost goes for my financial situation at the time it was tough, however, as I previously mentioned they were great to work with, allowed a payment plan, and were very patient with me. Fortunately, my wife was very supportive as well. I paid $3000 for unlimited access to my coach, audio recordings of my training sessions, which are still available on my account might I add, (this is incredible considering it has been 5 years) and unlimited access to the stock trading forums and weekly trading calls. I can still access all this information today.
I have now finished school, have an excellent career, and plan to begin trading again, utilizing these same rules. Like anything this is not a get rich quick for those interested. It is a system intended to teach rules and principles of trading, and then mastering your own emotions and sticking to the rules is the hardest part. The main reason that so many people lose money trading is because they get emotional, buy at the wrong time, and sell at the wrong time. His system teaches principles and rules that help overcome these scenarios, but honestly, any person is their own worst enemy, not the system. It takes capital to make money, and it takes nerves, grit, and guts to have success in any endeavor in life. Olympians are a good example. Those men and women didn’t just put on skis or snowboards yesterday and then won a gold medal. The success they have is the result of tried and true methods, practice, time, commitment, investment, blood, sweat, and tears. Success in stock trading requires all of those same elements. You won’t be able to put in 2 hours a week and make 20k per week, it just doesn’t work that way.
If you are really interested, call Adam as you can see he has previously posted his number. Ask him about “Trifecta Trading” the 2nd stock coach I worked with (I remember his name but don’t feel it appropriate to mention here) taught me this system and I really preferred it for my trading style.
The pricing information I provided is obviously a little dated, and perhaps they are doing things differently now, but your best bet is to get the information and then make an educated decision on whether or not you feel the system is appropriate for you and your personality or not.
Best of luck.
RJ
Risky system — basically, you are selling naked weekly Put options 8 days from expiration to collect the option premium (hence the name Options Money Machine (OMM)) . The idea is that the options will expire worthless in 8 days and you keep the premium. Since options expire worthless 80% or more of the time the odds are stacked in you favor. Obvious, is it not? It is not quite that simple.
Since these is so little time left option premiums will be small at any price not close to the current stock price. Typical option premium sold in the OMM service ranges from $0.25 to $0.75. In order to achieve this level of premium, the strike prices of the Puts sold have to be very close to the current stock price. This makes them quite risky.
For example, if JPM is currently at $56.50 (say), the premium for the $55.50 Put expiring in 8 days will be about $0.30 — if you do 3 contracts (the usual position advocated in the OMM service), your maximum profit is $90.00 (less commissions and the cost of the service) but your potential losses are uncapped. If JPM goes down $3.50 in the week — nothing major — the $55.50 strike Put will rise to at around $2.50, leaving you with $2.20 ($0.30 – $2.50) loss — or $660 (plus commissions to liquidate the position or assignment costs). If JPM has a “Black Swan” or even a “Gray Swan” event, and went down to $10 or $12, you would lose $3,000 or more on 3 contracts. Once you enter an OMM position, the only thing that is variable is the size of your potential losses (which may be $0 if JPM stays above $55.50, to be fair).
“Successful Trading 101” says: (brutally) cut your losses short and let your winners run — minimizing your losers is at least as important as maximizing your winners. The OMM service does just the opposite — the winners (such as they are) are absolutely capped at the small option premium received and the potential losers are uncapped.
Typically, on Thursday each week you put on 3 or 4 new positions of 2 to 4 contracts each for a total gross premium collected of approx $250 to $300 (excluding the cost of the OMM service and commissions). On Thursday and Friday, you still have the positions from the prior week active. So, on Thursday and Friday you could have up to 8 positions active with 22 to 24 naked Puts — if something really bad happens on Friday you could in for a very nasty surprise. Very nasty, indeed.
No matter how you look at it, the risk to reward ratio is very low.
Adam is very careful to crow about the number of “100% winners” (e.g. Puts that expire worthless so you keep the premium) and is mostly silent about the “few” losers. But, if the winners are small and the losers big, you can have have 90% or more successful trades and still lose money over the course of 6 or 12 months. Certainly, the risk is always there.
Also worth considering, the cost of the OMM service is about $15/week and Commissions for 4 trades with 12 contracts will be about $45 (at the usual “Ticket + per Contract” commission structure — you might get less). Therefore, to get $250 or $300 in option premium you have $60+ in transaction costs — a very expensive way to do business. If you liquidate the position or are assigned, there will be additional commissions — and yet more commission when you finally sell the assigned stock. Your broker will love you for as long as you can stay solvent — Adam Mesh will also think kindly on you as well while he is collecting those $15 subscription fees every week. Whether you or your accountant or your spouse will be happy is another matter.
A “Home Truth” that Adam will not tell you about — the guys in the options pits are not running a charity for your benefit nor are they eager to send you a check each week. On a statistical basis, If they sell you an option, they expect you to have to buy it back at a higher price later. Not always — but enough of the time. They have big houses and drive fancy cars and vacation at deluxe spas in the South of France … you draw the conclusion.
Okay, it’s Sunday and I just saw this post from Victor. Victor joined OMM a couple of weeks ago and immediately opted out with the reasons he stated above. He is part of the 7% we don’t retain vs. the 93% we do so I guess we are doing something right.
First, regarding OMM on this chain, it is one of 3 trading strategies I use and should probably be categorized separately as all other posts on this chain are referring to coaching.
I use OMM as an income strategy.
Victor writes a lot above and talks about doomsday scenarios but as someone who has been trading for 18 years, there is no sense made. Ex. He says: “If JPM goes down $3.50 in the week — nothing major — the $55.50 strike Put will rise to at around $2.50, leaving you with $2.20 ($0.30 – $2.50) loss — or $660 (plus commissions to liquidate the position or assignment costs).” $3.50 in a week for JPM is nothing major??? It has only happened 1 time in all of 2014. To confirm this, go to yahoo finance and type in JPM. Then click on historical prices. You can see the daily trading range is less than 1 point and that 1 time this whole year did it ever move more than 3 points in a week. That’s 1 time in 17 opportunities. Even this past week when JPM announced bad news on Friday, we were long from 54.72 and sold at an average price of 54.37 for a loss of $60 on 300 shares. That was our only losing trade in JPM this year.
Then he says: “If JPM has a “Black Swan” or even a “Gray Swan” event, and went down to $10 or $12, you would lose $3,000 or more on 3 contracts.” I try to be PC but this makes me want to argue that there should be minimum criteria met on here to allow 1 to post. JPM is one of the largest banks in America. For it to have a “black swan” event would result in a cataclysmic disaster for the entire stock market. By Victor’s logic, you should never own anything because it could have a “black swan” event. Literally, if there was any stock that they would make sure it does not happen to, it’s JPM. I mean the company had a rogue trader lose billions and was sued by the federal government and after that news broke the stock made it’s way up by over 50%! My suspicions about who I am corresponding with are only confirmed when he refers to an outdated commission structure where 4 trades cost him $45. If you are wondering why I call that outdated, email me and I will open your eyes to a world where all commissions are under $10!
Lastly, he says you could end up with 8 positions. Well, we have been doing this since August 2013 and I don’t think there is a week where we followed for trades with 4 trades. Our average is 3 which makes his argument impossible. The most positions taken has been 3.
He says that you are charged on assignment and that is false.
Here’s the biggest one though: “The OMM service does just the opposite — the winners (such as they are) are absolutely capped at the small option premium received and the potential losers are uncapped.” – This is a huge oversight by Victor. The core of what we do is because we sell puts on stocks that we are willing to own. Our biggest winners have come in stocks where we sold the put, were assigned the stock and then traded it successfully. SLW from 21.70 to 26, LNG from 42 to 47 and many more.
He does not mention those because he is too busy discussing black swan events. In fact he just emailed me again saying: If the “Black Swan” appears some find Friday morning, lets calculate a reasonable level of catastrophe that could be imposed on subscriber accounts. Nothing really specular – say a 1500 point drop in the Dow due to, say, some geo-political event (take you pick – there are so many to choose from). – This is just ludicrous, not even sure why I am responding any more.
Yes Victor, if the market drops 1500 points overnight and someone is long stock, they will lose money AND I still say the amount they would lose owning a JPM which trades at a 12 to 1 PE is minimal compared to what would happen to a NFLX SCTY TSLA or AAPL.
Guys, you have seen me on here for years and I pride myself on responding to everything. However, I can’t spend time responding to this gentlemen on here again. Whether he makes up arguments or tries to post #s that he gets from thin air – please excuse me for ignoring him. Even a micro-manager has to maintain himself :). I just hope I have explained to a novice why his claims should be taken with a lot more than a grain of salt.
If anyone wants to have logical discussions email me at adam@adammesh.com or call 212-774-5977.
Adam, can you weigh in on what you believe the climate of the markets will be in the next 5-10 years with impending dollar collapse and the Dow reaching unsustainable levels?
I try not to predict but react quickly. Clearly the markets are not moving based on logic.
So you can either go with the momentum or leave it alone.
The only problem is that in 2009 it looked like we were already up too high at unsustainable levels and here we are 5 years later, still going up.
Best thing to do is focus on individual opportunities.
Hi Adam,
Not sure you are monitoring this thread, but I do have a question. Above you kind of excoriated one of the posters for recommending stocks / ETFs that are low-volume. Yet a significant percentage of the teaser e-mails that you have sent me so far (and yes I am tempted), involve stocks that are relatively unknown and presumably low-volume. And in fact you seem to make a specific point of this, i.e that you are profiting via relatively unknown stocks. So what gives here? Why is GURU too thinly traded but dozens of other stocks you and your team have touted are fine?
Thank you in advance, I do appreciate that you care enough about what you are offering to post here.
Hey Tom,
The minimum volume threshold I look for is an average daily volume of 500,000.
Guru is at 135,000 and an ETF which have historically shown to be difficult to trade.
The stocks I look for are relatively unknown but not low volume.
Most stocks are not discussed because the ones they like to talk about in the media are all along the likes of AAPL, NFLX, TSLA and now GPRO!
WAG is never mentioned but it’s up almost 50% this year on over 5,000,000 shares traded daily.
Hope that helps!
Hi Tom,
Sorry, I’m not Adam, but I at least I’m a graduate of his program. I’ll take a stab at answering your question below. I glanced at GURU literally for one to two seconds and immediately saw what is questionable. I do hope you hear directly from Adam too because he’s brilliant, honest and so good at explaining things. Me? I’m a novice. I joined his program knowing zero about stocks, the market or trading two years ago late June, 2012. Am I ever grateful I did! Though it wasn’t cheap, I have been repaid many times over in many ways in the 18 months I’ve traded without my coach. Adam’s program has both saved me money and paid me money. Here’s how:
1. I’ve been able to trade for fun and profit since January 2013.
2. Using what I learned, I developed my own profitable routine, where I’ve made to date as much as $10,050 in a day and had a chance to share this technique with others at Adam’s Vegas Expo this last spring. I’ve had four figure days previously but this was my best.
3. Importantly, my training taught me strategies to keep my retirement monies growing like crazy and safe when a market drop occurs. This was worth everything alone.
4. In my situation, I was also able to deduct the training cost from my taxes so it literally didn’t cost much if anything at all.
5. Though not quantifiable, my quality of life has been enhanced. Adam and his team support a COMMUNITY of traders. They host a daily Forum of around 4,000 graduates. It’s a blessing in my life in my mid-60s to have made close new friends who share my passion for trading. I trade near daily with 5 other Adam-trained graduates all across the country. We share our trades, question, critique, and push each other to grow. And, just like my decades-long friendships with non-traders, we care for each other when life throws curveballs with accidents, illness, or children or grandchildren we worry about.
6. This is quantifiable and addresses your question, Tom. Adam’s method teaches three key criteria (and several indicators) that must be evident in any trade-worthy stock. He only recommends stocks that meet his three criteria. Not receiving his teaser emails, but knowing Adam’s method, you’ve made an erroneous assumption that his relatively unknown stocks are “presumably low-volume.” Not one! Your assumption is flat out wrong. There is danger in trying to get out of low volume stocks. As Adam says, with all the stocks we’ve identified after screening with his criteria and analyzing with his indicators, it makes no sense for safety sake to pay to be in anything with low volume. That is not a comment on whether it’s possible to make money on low volume options. It very well could be, but why bother when the risk is not worth it.
Currently, GURU also does not meet another one of Adam’s three criteria. So, that’s 2/3 reasons not to get involved. Again, am I saying GURU is garbage? No. Would I trade it? No.
I do not feel at liberty to explain Adam’s other criteria. One he articulated himself after years of observing stock behavior. It’s unique and I’ve never seen it referenced anywhere else.
7. Another component in Adam’s method is that of risk and its mathematics. Before buying anything, the risk/ reward consequences must be calculated. This applies to GURU.
8. Tom, another observation I’d like to make in response to your comments is that Adam’s method teaches self-reliance based on informed stock analysis. We are taught the tools to identify our own trades, not buy what others’ suggest UNLESS we have completed due diligence on our part and agree with the recommendation. One way we fine tune our individual skills while also contributing to community is participating in special events Adam hosts at several times each year. His students and graduates can opt to go up against the master (he’d never see it like this, but I do!) by identifying a stock we think will do well in the short-term. Each of us has to articulate our analysis and not all analyses are thorough or well thought-out enough to be accepted. The stocks that pass Adam’s scrutiny are listed on the Forum for everyone to see, assess, learn from, and trade if desired. Such processes prepare us to fly solo which most of us do each week.
9. Lastly Tom, since you’re interested in trading, perhaps you might do what one of my five trading friends did before enrolling as a student of Adam’s. He actually used cash but I’d suggest paper trading. My friend bought stocks from Adam’s teasers. You could do the same just on paper. He ended up $6,000 and was so impressed he became a student. Perhaps you could even improve on the process by adding stock recommendations from elsewhere and compare the outcomes. And, as you do, try to see if you can start analyzing what’s similar in each of Adam’s recommendations and the same from elsewhere. It will definitely help you learn. I hope this helps. All the best to you in this amazing journey with the market. As I like to say, Here’s to each one of trading green in 2014! That now includes you, Tom.
Linda
I just saw an offer for “Average Joe options” by Horwitz. Is this the same thing? I was reading about the system here to try and decide if it’s for me. Am tired of losing what little money I have on stocks. I need to try to trade and take profits instead of holding stocks that seem to always go down!
Hi Bill – We offer stock coaching with Adam and options coaching with Todd Bubba Horwitz – which is probably what you saw. If you have any further questions feel free to email me at Stephanie@adammesh.com
A couple things I’d like to say. To posters critical of Adam Mesh, $47 or $5000, both are unrealistically cheap if you expect to walk away from his course, or any course, having gained the knowledge to support yourselves in the Stock Market or Forex. I’d likely pay tens of thousands to make hundreds of thousands, and up to a half million if I knew I could make millions. To Adam Mesh, I get concerned when I see testimonials from anonymous people with no last names, it reminds me of weight loss ads. If these people are vouching for your services, credibility is utmost and we should know these people are real people.
Hey Daniel,
Just saw your post. Thanks for commenting. As far as people writing on Stock Gumshoe, some have worked with me and some have not. I can not control whether or not they use last names because it is through Stock Gumshoe so that shouldn’t really impact my credibility! That said , I get it. There are many private people out there who don’t want their full name known. Most of my friends are that way and I respect it. I clearly am not :). 2 more things. 1. Nobody is allowed to put monetary success in testimoniaos anymore because it infers that someone else can accomplish the same success and if they have less money, time, or skills – that’s not true. Anytime you see a testimonial where someone says they amde 10k, 100k or a million, walk away. Lastly, I do have a testimonial page on my website. Some people write in with first names and some include last. When they do write in we simply ask for a picture to make it more authentic. We have also removed any claims of making dollar amounts. Here is the link http://www.adammesh.com/testimonials/ .