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By theblindsquirrel, August 21, 2013

DISCLAIMER: I am long shares of SBOTF and may add to the position at any time.
”Even blind squirrels find an acorn every now and then”
OK, I know .. there is already plenty of discussion re Stellar Biotechnologies (SBOTF) on the site. Since Travis posted the tease from Nick Hodge in early July, the stock is up a hair over 100% (my Special Situation account sends many thanks for that one!). The reason I’m opening this thread is because the majority of comments from those of us interested or already invested in SBOTF are being posted under another wonderful – yet mostly unrelated – thread by Doc Gumshoe that talks about Alzheimers and possible causes/treatments/cures. Great stuff, but not fully germane to the topic of SBOTF. So, tho seperate the two discussions, I thought I’d try this so we can focus on each of the topics independantly.
That said, here’s some commentary about SBOTF that I have gleaned from the original tease, tracking the price action since July, reading member comments on this site, and studying anything and everything I can find about the Company and it’s product, Giant Keyhole Limpet Hemogobulin, a/k/a KLH.
First, a little peeve I’ve developed; the actual name of this animal that is the central focus of the business. I’ve noticed a trend of sorts by readers to refer to the Limpet as a ”snail”, ”escargot”, or something along those lines. While some may be using this as a light-hearted way of referring to the animal, it is not any of those. Please, use the proper name – as silly as it might sound. New readers could easily dismiss the entire idea and be misled otherwise. No disrespect meant to any who have done this, but I think it’s important we stay on track.
Now, some factoids for you.
If you haven’t done your due dilligence yet, the place to start is right here on this page. In the upper right you’ll see a box that says ”Teaser Tracking.” Click on that. The page that comes up is a list of the teases which Travis has posted over the past many months. Second from the top is the one re SBOTF. Some good tidbits of info right there. But what you want to do is look all the way over to the right and click on the link to the original tease posting. Open that and you’ll get the full story that Travis wrote when he first uncovered this tease (produced by Nick Hodge) and is a solid foundation of info about the company. Read it – two or three times to get an understanding of what SBOTF is all about.
Next, if you can find it, try and get a post that has the original video that Hodge did to tease the company with. In it, he (Hodge) interviews a couple of the company’s top executives and takes the cameras outside the room totalk with another employee about the ”farming” process that SBOTF has spent years and millions developing and patenting. You’ll get a pretty good visual inspection of the plant itself, the ”grow tanks”, and the Limpet. Good stuff. By the end you’ll have a fair overview of the company and what it does. FYI, the video tease runs about 40 minutes. It’s the first 25 minutes or so that will interest you. The remainder is what all teases consist of, overblown and repetitive pleas to get you to subscribe to the newsletter service that the promoter has to offer. Save yourself time and money by skipping that stuff.
A few takeaways from the video and additional research:
SBOTF has been around since the late 1990’s, working on how to extract the blood from the Limpet without killing them (they have done that and gotten patents on the process) and how to raise them in captivity in order to ensure a continuious supply of the animals to work with. This ”farming” process has, for the most part, been perfected and SBOTF can now raise them from fertilization of sperm and egg to maturity. They have a lifespan of some 30 years, and coupled with the patent-protected process they developed for extracting the blood without killing the Limpet, the company can now say with assurance that they can provide the Big Pharma with all the KLH they need to conduct clinical trials and produce the drugs they develop once FDA approval is granted. And – this is a big ”and” – they are the ONLY company in existence that can do this at the present time. The many patents they hold may ensure that to be the case for years to come.
Did I mention that KLH cannot be synthesized? So far nobody has been able to do that, so the supply of KLH from SBOTF seems to remain the only game in town.
Stellar Bio has yet to turn a profit. Sales and not much to write home about. That is mainly due to the small supply available and that SBOTF has focused on R&D in the past moreso than actual KLH production. That’s my best guess – I can’t verify that but seems to be the case. It is changing, however. The R&D is still in full swing, but the ability to produce and sell KLH is starting to ramp up as witnessed by increasing sales volume. It’ll take time but those increasing sales are coming.
In the wild (ocean floor), the Giant Keyhole Limpet has never been found ANYWHERE in the world other than in the small colony (estimated to be about 100,000 animals) which is just offshore from the Stellar Bio plant in Ventura County, CA. The enviromental community has been getting more and more concerned about the harvesting of the Limpets from this colony since there apparently aren’t any more around. Whisper talk about possible extinction have begun to surface, although no official governmental action regarding a ”protected specise” has yet been issued. This is why the farming of the animals has been crucial and why Stellar has such a leg up on any possible competition. If the Tree Huggers get hold of that idea, the ability to harvest the colony could – and probably would – be severely impacted.
Recent price and volume action has been fast and furious. As more and more people are becoming aware of the company by means of Hodges’ tease and thing such as this discussion, volume has had days that were near three times the average six months ago (175K shares average vs. some days now running around 500K). And most of this is upside volume indicating increasing demand for shares of a small float. This of course leads to highr prices as we are witnessing as I write.
For now, the gravy train is tearing down the track. The question is, when will demand for shares be curtailed as investor thirst for a bite of Limpet pie become satisfied? When will Nick Hodge back off this promotion, letting the press subside and therefore lessening investor awareness (the stock is not covered by any analyst, anywhere, that I can find, nor is it held by any mutual fund or investment management company). If and when this interest backs off, what effect will that have on the stock price? Trees don’t grow to the sky … or do they?
I can’t answer those questions. Just like you, I can only hold ’um and not fold ’um – yet. That day may come, and that is why I suggest anyone long the stock keep a DAILY eye on it. I’m making no prediction whatsoever about where the price will go over the next several weeks or months. In the interest of full disclosure, I have already taken some money off the table just to partially protect the quick profits I made since purchase. I sold about 30% of my initial position when that part became valued around 50% of my original investment. What remains is valued today right at the same $ amount I first put in. The amouunt I pulled out gives me full protection of some 50% of my original investment. Would I be better off today if I hadn’t done that? Yes. I would, because the price continues to rise. Will I be better of for having made thaat sale if the price stumbles and falls in the near future? Again, yes, I will – if the price falls. Some wise man once said ”you can’t go broke if you take profits” and I believe in that. Me, I don’t care for the idea of going broke, so I’m perfectly happy with this concept. No regrets about putting actual money in the bank, so to speak.
Comments? Concerns? Insights? Let the fun began!
Sincerely,
Your Resident Blind Squirrel
Jim Skelton

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November 20, 2013 3:26 pm

The Market treats the shorts as sleaze and backlash at them is acerbic. But i think in a balanced market both the longs and shorts have their own karma to do. IF a big IF in a fair and open market. Just a question. What is your thought process as to not buy SBOTF if it falls below 1.50? i was thinking of increasing my holding if it falls below 1.50. Granted that you should buy on the up and up (Jim’s fundamental 103), why not buy on the down IF we believe the company has long term potential. I have my eyes on ACAD, JCP and ANV. Both have fallen big time and atleast JCP appears to be bouncing back. Your thoughts on JCP and ANV if you have the time.
Thank you.

robertvince
November 21, 2013 6:37 am

Regarding the warrants. I received them from the ‘ipo’, they expired on 11-14-2013 at a strike price of .71 a share. Although I wasn’t planning on selling a share of my holdings, I did sell enough to exercise 15,000 shares, bringing my total holdings in it to 75000 shares. The blind squirrel has me wondering if i’m sitting on too many shares, and I agree that no money is made until the position is sold, but at this point, i’m playing with the banks money, and look at this position as a possible home run that could make my retirement very comfortable. Although as Jim stated, something negative could happen with the company, that’s not what worries me. My biggest worry is the possibility of the overall market as a whole crashing before Stellar gets to take off. Devoid of that happening, i’m fairly confident that the company will succeed in the long run and reward its shareholders, and also believe it is will be a takeover target of a major pharmaceutical in fairly short order. Confident…. but I still have my fingers crossed….

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Jana Brandao
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November 20, 2013 11:21 pm

I am still here, and I suspect most of the rest of the cast is still here. Today’s news about the new officer hired is the only thing I’ve heard in weeks. I think this is the part where we watch and wait and try to be patient for the $2.00 or so mark (correct me if I’m wrong). Or whatever is considered the next resistance level, while the price is bouncing around, reflecting everything except its intrinsic value…hoping those giant limpets are squeezing every last drop of hemocyanin they can spare, that the studies are moving in a positive direction, and we’ll hear something positive. And hoping they really do know what they’re doing 🙂 I haven’t bought or sold anything since my first buy, given myself some piece of mind with a stop-limit order, and intend on riding the crest of this gravy wave, so to speak, into the golden sunset. Good luck to all of us!

Robert V
November 21, 2013 6:15 pm

So many ‘sayings’ going thru my head right now…. ‘a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush’, ‘bulls get rich, bears get rich, pigs get slaughtered’ ….
I’m not a big Vegas or AC gambler, but when I dabble, I’ll play a slot, most likely a progressive one… why, because although the odds are stacked against you, if those wheels end up matching, could be a life changing win. Thats why I’m holding onto a wad of shares of Stellar. I purchased it originally with my ‘Vegas’ money (money I’d rather gamble on stocks than in a casino), and my original investment is off the table. Don’t get me wrong, selling the position right now would put a very pretty penny in my wallet, just not life changing. If I knew nothing about the company, and was just going on other folks suggestions, I’d be way more wary… but Stellar seems to have a line of people at their door, and i don’t believe they have gotten any fda approval on a vaccine in which its the ingredient. Once one of those pharms gets an approval with KLH in it, I think that door gets broken down and this thing could go parabolic. That said, selling half of what I have now would still put a pretty penny in my wallet, as well as retaining enough shares to ride with into the sunset in case good things happen. Now its a bit easier making this decision when it affects only the decision maker, you as a financial adviser to John and Helen should probably attempt to safeguard a bunch of their profits. Sure if it went skyrocketing upwards, they would be upset they missed the party, but if it crashed and they lost everything… something tells me they might aim a lawsuit at you. I’ve been involved in enough low priced, high tech stocks that went to zero, that I should probably play it a bit safer, but there is something about Stellar that just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that they will succeed bigtime. With one kid in college, one going next year, and one 3 years away, an nice influx of cash would be welcome, so perhaps I will be looking to sell some in the near future, but with the way this crazy economy is, and the fact that there really aren’t jobs for college graduates the way there used to be, I’d be very sad if I cashed out just to pay for college, and had nothing left to buy them houses or land, which I’m starting to think they may never be able to afford on their own. My situation differs than John and Helens in that I will have a pension and an IRA along with my other investments, so I think it makes me a bit more willing to ‘let it ride’. Maybe I have a loose screw too, as I’ve got some decent positions in other ‘penny’s’, such as Aethlon Medical (AEMD) and Cytosorbents (CTSO), and 20g’s in the soon to be issued stock of the greenpolkadotbox.com company (something about its owner Rod Smith that I trust). Running out of fingers to cross.
Always love hearing from the blind squirrel…. keep up the good work and I’m looking forward to the end of your story!

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David Brown
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November 21, 2013 7:36 pm

Indeed, it was a very good day in the neighborhood as I had been having a terrible week in my portfolio and today erased all of my losses for the week! I think that Robert, Jim and I are rather birds of a feather–I’m willing to take on some significant risks when I’m seeing huge upsides and the downsides don’t seem very likely to me. The pump and dump type stocks are definitely not for me although some quick money can be made if you time it right (I would consider NNRX one of these). I’m much more comfortable with choosing several microcaps that seem almost certain to make a lot of money in the future (preferably the near future, but even within a couple years can be worth the wait). In my opinion: Stellar, Natcore (NTCXF) and ClearSign (CLIR) are in this category, hence I have about 40% of my portfolio in these three companies. I’m proud of myself for not panicking at all earlier this week when my picks were getting hammered. I’m still down a bit on my CLIR but have confidence that it will have a great next 12 months. Pick quality companies you trust with great growth prospects and hang in there!

Robert V
November 22, 2013 10:02 am

Found this Seeking Alpha article today about Celldex and its glioblastoma vaccine (which includes Stellar’s KLH), could explain the nice bounce we had yesterday:

Investment Significance of Upcoming Conference Call

Celldex (CLDX) has raised expectations for positive results for rindopepimut in recurrent glioblastoma. It will hold a conference call on Monday, November 25 at 8:30 AM to discuss results on the use of rindopepimut in recurrent glioblastoma. The actions of Celldex clearly indicate that the data will be positive. The recently published abstract of the paper on which this presentation partially will be based, indicated that there was an immune response to rindopepimut and that there was one complete response and one objective response out of 25 patients for an overall response rate of 8%.

I find the data interesting from this standpoint. There is widespread skepticism on Wall Street and in the medical community that any cancer vaccine will be effective. There has been one cancer vaccine approved and that was Dendreon’s (DNDN) Provenge. However, there were a long string of failures before the Provenge approval and some after.

Even among people like me who are hopeful that cancer vaccines/immunotherapy can be the next great breakthrough in oncology, the data causes me to scratch my head.

The conventional wisdom is that cancer vaccines/immunotherapy should be used as close as possible to initial diagnosis and surgery because it takes a long time to take effect. If so, rindopepimut would be expected to have little chance to work in the recurrence of an aggressive cancer like glioblastoma. Also, rindopepimut targets a single antigen, EGFRvIII, and many people believe that a cancer vaccine should target several antigens to be effective. Finally, some have suggested that there is less EGFRvIII expression in recurrent glioblastoma than newly diagnosed glioblastoma than recurrent. If so, rindopepimut would be expected to be more effective in newly diagnosed glioblastoma (for which Phase III data is some time off) than recurrent glioblastoma.

The conference call on Monday should be very interesting and may give us new insights into rindopepimut and perhaps cancer vaccines overall. There should be more data in the oral presentation than in the abstract that has already been published. The data in the abstract is several months old. In recurrent glioblastoma, this is a long time so that the data will be more mature and hopefully more meaningful.

This promises to be an important event for the stock. What is my prediction on the outcome? I think the data will be encouraging. However, this is based almost totally on the emphasis that Celldex has put on the data. Based purely on the science as I understand it, I would have been skeptical. I am extremely interested in seeing the data and hearing Celldex interprets it.

Background for Conference Call on Monday

Celldex announced on August 12, 2013, that it had completed enrollment in an initial cohort of 25 patients who were refractory to Avastin. Based on preliminary evidence of stable disease, tumor shrinkage and investigator-reported response, the company decided to add an expansion cohort of approximately 75 patients to better characterize the potential activity of rindopepimut in this refractory patient population.

The results in the 25 initial patients will be reported at the Society for Neuro-Oncology Annual Meeting of November 21 through 24 in San Francisco. The embargo on the abstract was lifted on Monday, November 11, and available on the SNO website. I have included a copy of the abstract in the appendix of this report. It has been accepted as an oral presentation and is entitled “ReACT: a Phase 2 Study of Rindopepimut Vaccine (CDX-110) Plus Bevacizumab in Relapsed Glioblastoma.” The oral presentation will be made in a session lasting from 10:20 AM to 12:00 PM on Sunday, November 24. On Monday, November 25, at 8:30 am EST, management will also hold a conference call to review the data.

The data release relates to 25 patients enrolled in one arm of the Phase II ReACT trial in recurrent GBM. Patients with recurrent GBM have the expectation of six to nine months of median overall survival. They can be treated with Avastin, Gliadel Wafer as an adjunct to surgery (seldom used), surgery or just supportive care. These particular 25 patients were part of an arm of ReACT that enrolled patients who did not respond to Avastin. The August 12th announcement of the trial expansion obviously raised the expectation that rindopepimut had produced a clinically meaningful improvement.

The question is what constitutes a clinically meaningful improvement in recurrent GBM patients who are resistant to Avastin. I note that Avastin was approved in recurrent GBM on the basis that it produced tumor shrinkage in about 28% of patients, increased progression free survival by about 4.2 months but had no effect on median overall survival. Could it be the case that rindopepimut also might be approved on the basis of improvement only in progression free survival without an increase in median survival? Remember that these patients have very short survival expectations and have no viable drug option. Because of these factors, it is possible that this narrow indication could be a quick route to approval for rindopepimut.

Of the 600 recurrent glioblastoma patients, we don’t know how many patients would be Avastin resistant. Hence, the addressable patient population is some fraction of 600. While this is a very small patient population, the approval for this narrow indication could be very important commercially. Once approved, it could lead to off-label use in newly diagnosed patients as well. And as previously noted, I am also expecting that rindopepimut could be priced at $100,000 per course of therapy so that 600 patients represents an addressable market of as much as $60 million in the U.S. and $120 million worldwide.

The Abstract

I have included a copy of the abstract that has already been released.

ReACT: a Phase II study of rindopepimut vaccine (CDX-110) plus bevacizumab in relapsed glioblastoma

David Reardon 1, Gordon Li2, Lawrence Recht2, Karen Fink3, Louis Nabors4, David Tran5, Annick Desjardins6, Nitin Chandramouli7, J. Paul Duic8, Morris Groves9, Anne Clarke10, Thomas Hawthorne10, Jennifer Green10, Michael Yellin10, John Sampson6

1Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, MA, USA, 2Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, CA, USA, 3Baylor Research Institute, Dallas, TX, USA, 4University of Alabama, Birmingham, AL, USA, 5Washington University, St. Louis, MO, USA, 6Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC, USA, 7Utah Cancer Specialists, Salt Lake City, UT, USA, 8The Long Island Brain Tumor Center at Neurological Surgery, P.C, Lake Success, NY, USA, 9Texas Oncology, Austin, TX, USA, 10Celldex Therapeutics, Inc., Needham, MA, USA

EGFRvIII is a constitutively active tumorigenic deletion mutation of EGFR, expressed in ~30% of primary glioblastoma (GB) and linked to poor long-term survival. The investigational vaccine rindopepimut consists of the unique EGFRvIII peptide sequence conjugated to keyhole limpet hemocyanin (KLH), delivered intradermally with GM-CSF as an adjuvant. Three phase II studies of rindopepimut in newly diagnosed, resected, EGFRvIII+ GB have supported improvements in progression-free survival (PFS) and overall survival (OS), compared to contemporary cohorts matched for major eligibility criteria. Bevacizumab (BV), which inhibits VEGF and its immunosuppressive properties, may augment EGFRvIII-specific immune response and antitumor activity in patients with advanced GB. ReACT is a Phase II study of rindopepimut plus BV in patients with 1st or 2nd relapse of EGFRvIII+ GB. BV-naïve pts (Group 1; n=70) are randomized 1:1 to BV plus double-blinded injection of either rindopepimut or control (KLH). BV-refractory patients (Group 2, n=25) receive BV plus open-label rindopepimut. To date, 31% of screened patients are EGFRvIII+. 47 patients (Group 1=22, Group 2=25) have been enrolled, and 23 (Group 1=12, Group 2=11) continue treatment. Primary treatment-related toxicity was Grade 1-2 injection site reaction. Rindopepimut-induced anti-EGFRvIII humoral responses are robust (median peak titer [range] = 1:12,800 [1:100-1:3,276,800]), similar or higher to those in rindopepimut studies of newly diagnosed GB, and greatest in BV-refractory patients. Of 17 Group 2 patients evaluable for response (investigator-assessed; RANO criteria), one Complete Response (32+ weeks duration; peak anti-EGFRvIII titer=1:3,276,800) and one Partial Response (at week 8; subsequent confirmation pending) have been observed. 5/17 (29%) had PFS >8 weeks. Preliminary data show that rindopepimut+BV can induce remarkably potent EGFRvIII-specific immune response and objective tumor response in immunosuppressed patients refractory to BV. Full response, PFS and OS data for both groups are expected to further define the potential clinical benefit of the combination in relapsed GB.

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David Brown
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November 22, 2013 1:50 pm

Nice article on Stellar Biotech just publishd by the Behavioral Economist in Seeking Alpha: Conclusion
Stellar Biotechnologies is an enticing investment option with innovative and exciting science. Given the companies head start in the field of KLH research, and their proprietary methods and exclusive rights to further advancements, there exists considerable upside.
At Stellar, the addressable markets they aspire to become a part of, combine to exceed 440 billion dollars. The in-house forecasts for revenue are nearly 700 million dollars annually. The upside to share price, based on those projections, and in consideration of current outstanding shares, would be by a factor of ten. Needless to say, that is significant. However, due to an uncertain timeline moving forward, forecasting a price target would be a highly speculative, and counterproductive, exercise.
What is certain however is this; Stellar is leading the way in an emerging treatment market. The science is innovative, the potential is noteworthy, and the leadership is impressive. The company is, in terms of an equity, a viable option for long term investors with a moderate tolerance for risk, and an ability to cope with uncertain timeline’s. Stellar Biotechnologies is deserving of both investor consideration, and additional due diligence

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herbalix
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November 23, 2013 7:05 am

Hi everyone,
great story Jim, really enjoy your musings and stories back from the old days. Listening to your story makes me reflect on my own state of ‘greediness’, meaning always wanting to get the top and the bottom and not being satisfied with a bit less. Thanks for that!
Robert V. , thanks for your comments and insights into your trading activities. My fingers are crossed too. Wish you the best of all possible outcomes with your lucky limpets and other stocks. You definitely did some great research in some of the companies you mentioned above. Thank you for sharing. I will take a closer look at them.
Happy investing to All and go for the lucky limpets.
P.S. I am long Stellar (SBOTF) and Aethlon Medical (AEMD)
Herbert

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Robert V
November 23, 2013 10:49 am

Jim, you never bore me. When I see a post from you, its time to brew a cup of coffee, sit back… relax and enjoy. Keep up the good work!
Herbert, thanks for the kind words.

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AH
November 25, 2013 10:30 pm

Haha..Thanks Jim.
This was more like a feel good movie ending rather than a cautionary tale! Was more excited on the Gatlinburg story though. Over the weekend I went to Gatlinburg, Smokies and hiked Mt Leconte. Excellent town, old town feel and wished i had a house up there. Shoutout to all members for their their stock insights.
Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.
Cheers,
AH

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herbalix
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December 3, 2013 5:58 am

Thanks again Jim. Enjoyed the article about Stellar on Seeking Alpha. Interesting comments as well. Have a great day everyone!

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David Brown
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December 3, 2013 4:54 pm

FYI doubt there will be any big news but who knows? Most likely the Webcast will emphasize recent encouraging trial results with KLH and talk of staff expansion–perhaps related to increasing KLH demand worldwide. Happy reading, David

Stellar Biotechnologies to Host Corporate Update Conference Call and Webcast on December 11
Management to discuss recent achievements and future catalysts for growth

PORT HUENEME, CA, (December 3, 2013) — Stellar Biotechnologies, Inc. (“Stellar” or “the Company”) (OTCQB: SBOTF) (TSX-V: KLH), the world leader in sustainable manufacture of Keyhole Limpet Hemocyanin (“KLH”), will host a general corporate update and conference call virtual presentation webcast at 11:00 AM ET (8:00 AM PT) on December 11, 2013.

The Company will review the significant milestones achieved in 2013 including its acquisition of exclusive rights to an innovative KLH-based immunotherapy technology to treat Clostridium difficile infection (“C. diff”), as well as recent manufacturing and R&D progress. In addition, Stellar’s management will discuss the Company’s plans for expansion involving potential catalysts in R&D, manufacturing and business development.

Telecast and Webcast Information:
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2013
Time: 8:00 AM PT/ 11:00 AM ET
US Dial-in (Toll-free): 1-877-941-1427
International Dial-in: 1-480-629-9664
Conference Call ID: 4653815
Webcast Link: http://public.viavid.com/index.php?id=107091
For the live and archived webcast, please visit the investor presentation section on Stellar Biotechnologies’ website at: http://www.stellarbiotech.com
A replay of the call will be available through December 25, 2013. To access the replay, please call 1-877-870-5176 if calling from North America and 1-858-384-5517 if calling from outside the U.S. and Canada. The replay passcode is 4653815, for additional information please visit the investor section of the company website at http://www.stellarbiotech.com.

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David Brown
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December 9, 2013 12:52 pm

Two new patents announced today on the C Difficile vaccine. One in the U. S. and one in China. Not huge news, but further evidence that the company feels strongly about the prospects for this vaccine. This is also evidence that the company continues to protect its interests against a hostile takeover or other predatory practices. SBOTF has great management, incredible growth prospects and a virtual corner on the medical grade KLH market. No wonder it’s up 600% in 12 months.

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bosley
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December 10, 2013 11:29 pm

I’m ridin’ the SBOTF train, It looks like the real deal. On the other hand NNRX is in the PUMP and DUMP hall of fame!

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