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2013 Turkey of the Year: Dry Holes in the Ocean

Happy Thanksgiving from your friends at Stock Gumshoe! Plenty of turkey here for a week's worth of sandwiches.

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, November 27, 2013

Fanfare, please! It’s time, once again, for the Turkey of the Year announcement!

Every year, as millions of American families place a golden-brown turkey ceremoniously on their Thanksgiving table, we here at Stock Gumshoe try to pick out the most overcooked, overyhyped, and overstuffed turkey from among the hundreds of stocks we’ve written about in the past year. And yes, we make sure to pick only the one that’s already been chewed down to a carcass.

I should start by telling you that we’re really not trying to be mean, or to claim that the person who suggested this turkey is necessarily a lousy stock picker — everyone makes lousy picks sometimes, and we don’t know the “real” record of many of the folks we write about, we know only about the huge, outsize promises they make in their hyperbolic advertisements. The ads are pretty much all over-the-top, which is why we love them, but it’s only fair to see if their picks ever match that promise.

Nor are the stocks that we single out as Turkeys each year necessarily terrible investments for the year to come — though they tend to be lousy in more than one way. Gasfrac (GFS.TO, GSFVF) made the cut last year as our Turkey of the Year and is actually up a little bit over the last twelve months since that selection, though the neck-and-neck second choice, Poseidon Concepts, ended up going bankrupt a few months after Thanksgiving. Before that it was Tengion (TNGN) earning the coveted Turkey spot, a stock that was a regenerative medicine darling for a brief while and fell about 80% after it was teased … and has fallen another 90% since, serving as a nice cautionary tale to all the “regenerating body parts” investment enthusiasts out there (I’m looking at you, Organovo, you scare me!) as well as all the folks who see a stock that has fallen 80 or 90% and say, “hey, it can’t fall much further!” Remember — a stock, at whatever price it might be on a given day, can always lose 100% of its value.

Previous winners include Raser Technologies which went bankrupt, and SuperMedia, which ended up going through a “lets go bankrupt together” party with Dex One and then merging with them, to create a new “new Yellow pages” company, Dex Media (DXM) that for some reason continues to attract at least a few shareholders (if you’re counting, yes, that means three bankruptcy filings for the combined company in less than five years), but at this point the stock — for those persistent few who held on through the bankruptcy — is, I think, only down about 50% or so since that won the Turkey Prize in 2010.

It’s been an unusually good year in 2013 (and late 2012) for the teasermeisters — we’ve been tracking the stocks that are teased and promoted by investment newsletters since 2007, and rarely have we seen a spread of stocks like you’ll see today in the Stock Gumshoe tracking spreadsheets. There are not a lot of stocks that have doubled or put up spectacular returns of several hundred percent as we were led to believe they would by the over-hyped ad pitches, but there are more that have gone up than down, and by a wide margin. And the average pick is up — only 11%, but still up (this is all simple averages from the time the stock was teased to today — nothing annualized or relative to the S&P, so for many of them the luck of when they were picked is important … like the lousy timing of the Mortgage REITs that were picked as “spread trusts” just before the interest rate panic in the Spring, some of those were down almost enough to be Turkey candidates).

It shouldn’t be a big shock that the teased stocks have largely been halfway decent, I suppose — it’s been a nice bull market for most of the past twelve months, with the S&P 500 index up better than 25% and a rising tide lifting almost all boats (unless your boat was made of silver, gold, graphite or another mined commodity), so we should expect that some stock pickers did well. Personally, my portfolio return has trailed the S&P this year, mostly because of a heavy weighting in commodity-related stocks.

So even though the overall picture for teased stocks is better than in a typical year — partly because we haven’t seen any of the stocks picked this year go to zero yet or lose 99% of their value, which usually happens for at least one or two of ’em — we do like to take the chance every Thanksgiving to, well, give thanks for the reality check that a nice strong whiff of the hyperbolic teaser ads gives us, for the interesting ideas that they sometimes send our way.

And more importantly, we like to emphasize the risks of buying a “story” or falling head-over-heels for a pitch by singling out one “Turkey of the Year” — one of the worst offenders in the world of hype and tease, and one of the worst few performers over the last twelve months. Pretty much every stock pitched by the newsletters and their copywriters in this way is a “guaranteed double” or a “possible 1,000% gain” or opportunity for “life-changing wealth” so we can’t narrow it down based on who makes the silliest promise … but we can find the promise that we think led to the most disastrous performance.

So who’s our “Turkey” this year? Well, even in a good year there were several decent candidates that lost more than half their value after we’d been “promised” that they were headed for the moon. We restrict the search to just the last twelve months, and base it on the overall return, not on any kind of annualized return or a “versus the S&P” relative return, we’re simple folk and we look just at the basic numbers for this purpose.

Top candidates included a few explorers and miners, like Eurasian Minerals (EMXX) teased by Karim Rahemtulla and Exeter Resource (XRA) teased by Chuck de Castro, both of which are down about 50% since they were pitched earlier this year … but really, that’s just too easy and none of them stand out from their peers much — most of the small gold stocks are down roughly as much or more.

And I was sorely tempted to give the win to North American Palladium (PAL) as teased by Peter Krauth, partly because he wasn’t teasing just the stock but also call options on that stock, which would have probably meant a 100% loss instead of the 70% loss we’ve recorded on the common stock on the spreadsheet.

We might even have to almost call it a tie, since PAL has collapsed in price even though the core metal they are mining, palladium, has only dropped about 15% since the teaser pitch came out in the Spring, holding up better than gold, silver, copper or most other commodities. So they can’t blame the metal for this one.

But no, we’ll stick with our guns and I’ll make the call for a single winner of the “Turkey of the Year” — and I’ll give this one the edge not only because it could have made it as the “Turkey of the Year” in 2012 as well (and arguably even in 2011), but because it was the single worst-performing teaser pick of this past year… and because I also owned it for a little while.

So yes, the Turkey of the Year for 2013 is HRT Participacoes (HRP in Canada, HRTPY on the pink sheets), the Brazilian oil explorer that has found gas in the Amazon, where no one seems to want it, and has found not much after drilling three expensive holes offshore Namibia, where hopes were high for the next big deepwater oil find to rival the nation-changing discoveries across the South Atlantic in Brazil.

Disagree? Feel free to share your favorite turkey candidate with a comment below.

HRT Participa is also a good example of the kinds of “story stocks” that can work out either very well or quite terribly — a company with a high-profile CEO and lots of cash to spend on a big exploration program … and these kinds of stocks have a tendency to catch the imagination of novice investors on the search for potential 1,000% gains on a big oil discovery … especially when, as with HRT, they’re relatively large and have a “name brand” and some media coverage — even after falling quite a bit for two years, HRT was still a That’s the sentiment that these kinds of newsletter pitchmen use to get new subscribers — in this case the pitch for HRT Participa was made by Byron King for his pricey Energy & Scarcity newsletter, and he stuck with it for a very long time (he may have been in and out of it over the years, I don’t know, but he first touted the predecessor in 2010).

The initial tease for this stock came before it was HRT Participa — back when it was little explorer UNX Energy in 2010 Byron King promised great things as they searched for oil in the “oil kitchen” offshore Namibia, a known gas area that geologists were convinced also hid a big oil field that was the “kitchen” feeding the large (and as yet untapped) offshore natural gas field in the same neighborhood. It was a convincing story, partly based on the fact that this part of offshore Namibia would have been right next door to the huge oil discoveries beneath the deep water offshore Brazil back in the days before the African and South American continents separated. It just made sense.

But little UNX, after being driven up by this potential and hope, ended up being acquired by HRT Participa early in 2011 — which would have worked out well for many UNX shareholders if they had sold then, since they got more than half of a HRT share in the takeover and that would have been worth close to $5 if sold at the peak (a several hundred percent gain from King’s first teaser pitch), but, of course, many of those shareholders continued to believe in the as-yet-undrilled promise of offshore Namibia and they held on. And why wouldn’t they? HRT Participa was led by CEO Marcio Mello a man who many believed was a key figure in the discovery of the Tupi field and other discoveries offshore Brazil (he was a Petrobras executive before founding HRT as an oil services firm, then turning it into an oil and gas explorer).

But after HRT took over, and in taking over UNX also got a Canadian listing, we were left with a stock that fell precipitously in 2011 to $2 and then doubled in the first few months of 2012 on optimism again until HRT ended up being just under $4 when King teased the Namibian offshore promise again, again using the “oil kitchen” pitch, in March of 2012.

In the months that followed the stock was on a pretty steady slope downward — which is why I say this could have been a “Turkey of the Year’ contender in 2012 … but by Thanksgiving last year it was only down by about 60-70%, not enough to bring it to the top of the list in a year that had quite a few stinkers. And while things looked tough, since the only other explorer who was drilling offshore Namibia anywhere near HRT’s blocks had failed to find commercial oil on their try in the fall of 2012, HRT still hadn’t done any drilling. There was still considerable promise and hope, and they also did a nice job finding some significant gas reserves in the remote Amazon.

Which brings us to the most recent tease, the one that finally earned them the “Turkey of the Year” in 2013. It was in late March that Byron King’s Energy & Scarcity Investor told us this little 91-cent oil company was about to take on “Energy’s last great frontier” with a drill just hitting the seabed — with King’s special secret contact at the company calling him in the middle of the night to alert him to this exciting development.

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And most compellingly, though he was careful to say it was a penny stock and that he thought the odds were 50/50 that they’d hit paydirt on this first hole, with two more wells to be drilled after that to give more chances, he talked about it as a lottery ticket kind of play and put some numbers out there to get us daydreaming:

“If the drilling finds what I believe is down there, I could see the share price going to $5 when the results are announced. And then, over time, I wouldn’t rule out $15-$20 per share.”

King wasn’t the only one to see exciting possibilities in HRT, of course — not only did Marcio Mello keep talking up the potential (he said — not long before they released their first well results — that he thought investors who sold “would be sorry” and that he was baffled at the doubters), but others were clearly on board as well — the talk of 10 billion barrels of oil maybe being in these offshore blocks in Namibia was enough to make a lot of folks want to take a chance that their geologists were right.

Including me. I took a small speculative position to ride out the first drilling and see if the stock might become a gusher on an oil discovery (as Africa Oil did, quite pleasantly, the year before, and as happens every year when a few explorers hit the big time around the world).

Here’s what I said when I wrote up that teaser:

“The stock might end up doing well if they discover a good quantity of commercial oil, but to make life-changing amounts of money on the stock, unlike with a $1 lottery ticket, you’d have to risk a meaningful amount of money. So get the lottery ticket idea out of your head, think instead about option trading — HRT Participacoes is more like a call option on oil exploration offshore Namibia. It might go to zero, the last two years teaches us that it might drop gradually over a long period of time and frustrate you, or it might go up several hundred percent quickly if good news comes. And if you know which of the three is most likely, well, then you’re better at predicting what’s under two miles of water and a mile of dirt, rock and salt than I am.”

Unfortunately for all concerned, the drilling did not go so great. The first well, Wingat, found important source rocks … but no oil reservoir, and Marcio Mello either resigned or was forced out as CEO less than a week before those highly anticipated results were published. That’s when I sold my shares, at about a 30% loss. The second well, Murombe, found more evidence of an oil system … but no commercial oil potential. The third one, Moosehead, was officially called a “dry hole.” So, as they noted in that last press release for Moosehead, they learned a lot about the potential offshore Namibia from this first drilling campaign (which cost upwards of $200 million), but it’s time to step back and make new plans for 2014 and 2015.

What will become of HRT Participa? Well, it’s down to 14 cents a share now in Canada, stepping down further in price each time results of those first three wells were released, and then continuing to dwindle down in the month following. And they still have some cash and liquid assets, though the liabilities on the balance sheet have caught up to those assets to some degree and so investors have traded the shares down to less than their cash on the books. That’s a pretty hefty level of pessimism, but given their performance this year it’s hard to say it isn’t deserved — HRT Participa was shooting for big fish and caught nothing, and they seem to not quite know what to do with themselves now.

So there you have it — the risk was clear from the beginning for those who saw it without the blurring effect of those potentially dramatic riches, and sometimes when you take a risk there isn’t any reward. That’s what “risk” means.

Except the pumpkin pie, which ain’t a bad reward. Enjoy your Thanksgiving… and if, like me, you had a little slug of HRT Participacoes in your portfolio this year, well, I think you deserve maybe even a second piece of the pie. And some extra whipped cream.

P.S. Did I mention that my portfolio has not been spectacular this year? Well, in the interest of fairness I’ll also tell you about my own personal “Turkey” of this year — I write up a stock idea that looks appealing to me almost every month for the Irregulars, and of those the worst one I’ve suggested in the last twelve months has been Rosetta Stone (RST), which is down about 30% from when I suggested it as an appealing idea from the Value Investing Congress in the Spring (and yes, I own it too).

I’ve had stocks go down more than that in the past, and have sold some stocks this year at losses of greater than 30% (like Sandstorm Metals & Energy, for example), but that’s the worst performer of the last twelve “Idea of the Month” picks in these parts. Of stocks that I own personally and write about often but that haven’t been a monthly pick this year, the worst performer for the year among that group has probably been Sandstorm Gold (SAND), which I still own as a large part of my gold allocation and which is looking super-ugly after gold’s fall this year. I even singled that one out as one of my favorites for the year back in January, so I can certainly pick some stinkers and have bad timing, too.

Shall we have a group cleansing as we approach the end of the year? Anyone who wants to step up to the front of the class and admit to their worst buy or sell of the year, feel free to share — just use the friendly little comments box below. Sometimes you have to grieve publicly to really cleanse yourself, it’s good for the soul. Who knows, maybe we’ll all learn something.

If you’ve never lost money, you can stay quiet. Stuff some turkey and cranberry sauce in your mouth. We love you, but we don’t wanna hear it.

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shredder
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shredder
November 28, 2013 6:04 am

If HRT had drilled and found porosity at Wingat, that they found at Baobab……we’d all be doing the HRT happy Dance. I thought Wingat was an excelleng exploration well…so did the Hedgies that then tried to take over HRT. Totally blotched AGM voting for Board of Directors. As for Co’s that have primary listing in Brazil and trade GDS here…..never again
I have investment buddies, UNX changed their lives….from massive profits they made.

As for Byron Kings….some buy his mewsletters to buy stocks, some buy them to short the same, once buying dries up. He does not provide market timing.
He also made a huge miss, in my mind, recently he picked several Co’s that are on ” a short list” for US LNG export permits. One, that trades in Toronto…….does not have options wrote BK. Wrong, the options trade in Montreal, my Apr $13 calls are up 400+ % in 3 weeks.
Do your own homework and unlike Cinderella…..keep your eye on the clock…..and unlike Jonestown….don’t drink the koolaid

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ctorti
November 28, 2013 7:25 am

Until I found Stock Gumshoe, I fell for a lot of these teasers. Some did well, most didn’t, and I spent a goodly amount on the associated newsletter subscriptions you had to buy to get the stock name and symbol. So, I owe a great deal to SG and quickly moved from the free version to become an Irregular. However, I did purchase Sandstorm Gold (SAND) based on your opinion and it is down 13.32% since I acquired it, the second largest loser in my portfolio. However, it’s a gold stock and at some point its going to head north. In fact, I set a price at which to buy more if it drops that far. So, I was wondering if you could give a quick update on your continuing take on this stock and if it is worth holding on to, and even buying more if it gets down below $4 a share. Thanks, Travis for the wonderful service you provide.

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aterosin
November 28, 2013 11:31 am

I have taken some loses: SRPT pharma $44 sold at $13 and JambaJuice. However I am thankful for my small portfolio (around $7000) that I put a small (I mean small) bit of money in every month thru Sharebuilder. When I have a respectbable chunk I buy a researched stock or add to one I have in the folder. Most of my success has come thru the Fools. I did pick up SBOTF thru Travis and have watched that little limpet rise and fall. I’m hoping for great results and will hold that one for awhile longer. Here’s some of my successes and for these I am Thankful.
AMZN 78/$387. CTRIP 12/47. DDD 17/75. FB (just for fun) 26/47. SSYS 73/119. TGA 1.99/8.66. HHC 73/113. NFLX 64/363. QIHU 53/82 and TRIP 60/88. My challenge is knowing when to sell and how much to take off in good times like I am experiencing right now.

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gmmpa
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December 3, 2013 4:28 am
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Reading the postings up to this yours make me sad that so many folks have lost so much money. I can only hope that most did not invest too much of their disposable funds. At the risk of sounding dumb defining investing in such a simple way but it works here in short form. Simply stated there are basically four challenges for investors: 1. what to buy. 2. when to get it. 3. what to sell. 4. when to sell it. Do it right you will make money. Do it wrong and you will be a candidate to post to this turkey thread.
It seems to me that most of the folks here are just guessing or taking very bad advice from teaser email news letters promising great wealth from unknown stocks at least up to your posting. You seem to be willing to buy into more established companies and stay with them long enough to make excellent paper gains but are left trying to decide on when to do 3 and 4 above. The better and more expensive newsletters will try to suggest all 4 for their subscribers. However, none can make you do any or all of these four. Human nature, trust of the service, your knowledge of investing, the amount of extra research you do to stay current with your positions and your emotional make up has a strong influence on what you ultimately do. No one should invest in individual stocks without a good outside source of good information, lots of time spent in researching and reading business and economic news and regular review of all their current positions. If that is too much for you then you should just invest in mutual funds or if you have a lot of wealth pay someone to do it for you.
I have always been able to pick good stocks when I find them. My challenge was the same as yours. When to sell and take profits was always the hardest decision for me. I now use technical analysis to measure the momentum, market sentiment, sector sentiment to take profits. I decided to school myself on the subject and I use it to time buys and sales. I do not use stop losses ever since a was stopped out of 200 shares of Apple and $85 when it moved down and then back up 15% during the trading day when I was not looking. I did not realize it for to day and never bought it back until years later at $400. I am still making money just not as much. I even made money at my $85 stop loss but I am sure I would not have sold the position so soon. I finally decided to do something about when the when to sell issue after I sold my Amazon at $195 just two weeks before it went to $265 and kept going higher.
For those that are buying penny stocks I also do it to but I do a lot of research in the management team and seed money from the principle investors. The business model and the science behind the company’s products. Its daily volume and how it is trading both history and present day. Only then will I pull the trigger and then not all at once. I will buy no more than 10,000 shares. I will watch it for a while and if it drops and I still like it I will buy more to reduce my basis up to about $10,000. If it pops I will sell some to reduce exposure and let the rest run. Technical analysis does not work for penny stocks. These move on the news and the emotions of retail investors. They are a little better than a lottery ticket but can move the wealth meter if you do your homework and watch them closely every day. Mining stocks and Biotech are the sectors I like the most. Both have great risk but great upside. I do not like any of Byron King’s pick’s. The science behind many of his picks are too further into the future for me. I am too old. My time line on cutting edge stuff is 2 to 4 years. Even mining stocks with potential can take from 2 to 7 years before they actually start mining and making money.

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hipockets
December 3, 2013 5:19 pm
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Thanks for this post, gmmpa

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Ben
November 28, 2013 12:44 pm

SAND is my worst stinker this year- it’s down 65% since last thanksgiving! – and I hold a big chunk of my portfolio in that – so with a few other mining and commodity bets, I am happy to be about break even (YTD) as I type this!

Happy Thanksgiving from Thailand!

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minotaur43
November 28, 2013 1:05 pm

My personal Turkey of the year hasn’t been touted by any letter, it is AgriMinco (ANO.V), a company seeking potash in Africa, which I thought I bought at the bottom at 0.11$ and now at 0.02$ ! Happy Thanksgiving anyway !

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November 28, 2013 2:18 pm

Multi-year turkeys? Explor resources. Done very well with Africa Oil.

HRT – Do not own but have been watching it slide down. Recently posted on hrt:
Pancontinebtal Oil just posted its 11/23/2013 Annual General Meeting Presentation pdf.
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20131121/pdf/42l0t4jchgvcxt.pdf
Pancontinental holds the Namibian block EL 0037 just north of HRT and seems to think the results of Wingat 1 were very helpful. Since Wingat 1 Tullow has farmed in to EL 0037. I recommend reading the AGM closely about EL 0037 ( Page 21-27 , page 31, and the last paragraph of page 36.)

Tullow has an excellent record of wildcat drilling. They and Africa Oil have been VERY successful in finding oil in Kenya, just reported 5th well of 5 in a couple of years.

Quote:,,,,five for five is not to bad at all on a wildcat play,,,that’s got to make the odds pretty high for further success,,.

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Carsten Bauermeister
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November 28, 2013 10:06 pm

Hi from Australia,
I hold three absolute stinkers to remind myself not to listen to the “so called” experts. During the GFC I was waiting for the expert, that I paid good money to follow, to tell me to sell. He didnt, I didnt. Valuable lesson learnt, its my money not his.
I used to follow Small Cap Investigator and found with the “herd mentality” people brought as the share invariably went up ridiculously, on high volume and came back to normal levels very quickly. Despite assurances I have a nagging feeling someone made money and not necessarily the “herd”.
I enjoy reading the Gumshoe. Be nice to throw a Australian tease in somethimes.

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Jim Goodyear
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November 28, 2013 11:04 pm

My turkey was a granddaddy although it didn’t happen last year, but for me this is like confession. I was in college and working nights just to meet expenses when on a Merrill Lynch Pierce Fenner & Smith stock brokers advice I “invested” (don’t invest what you can’t afford to lose) my tuition savings in Astrodata (a very sure thing). It was January 1970 and the very next day it collapsed dropping 50%, (the broker actually thought the stock had split when I called him) and over the next nine months Astrodata went total bust. Of course instead of selling I rode it down to nothing. Unfortunately, without support or really understanding the market the lesson I learned as a young man with no real financial advice-support system regarding markets was “don’t…, so I didn’t for a long time. That was the second mistake which just compounds not getting ahead over time. Oh, over a lifetime It was simple to defer some income into a 401K and watch it grow and then decline and comeback etc, but I still never really studied the market or read financial news or made it a knowledgable part of true retirement planning. Now, spin forward about 40+ years and here I am learning what I should have learned a very long time ago. The good news, it is never too late to invest and I am investing in a several stocks, most up, a few down, but not way down. Just wish I had learned the third lesson abount three decades sooner. Astrodata was a classic.

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herbalix
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November 29, 2013 5:21 am

Belated Happy Thanksgiving to All!!!
Hope even after the Turkey I am allowed to share some of my Turkeys.
Okay, there was SAND, still holding and hoping. But having sold and bought in again at different prices between $ 13 and $ 4.2 I do not even want to know how much I lost here so far. But our Sandy-Day will come, I hope!
Next Turkey was TRTC, also painful. Bought a couple of thousand shares at .45 or so and averaged down again and again until 0.2, but sold them all at 0.06. The hope for change in the laws for Marihuana has diminished for the time being. Could be a long time before something will happen there.
Finally there was ONVO, Travis has mentioned them above. It scared me too, but not enough to make me stay away. Got in at about $11.6 and out at $ 8.9 with 3000 shares. Had been ready to exit at $ 13, but just missed the boat and when I was checking again it was at $12.28. That wasn’t enough. Next time I checked it was at $9.5. Next day I knew I had to get out.
Ok, ok , I won’t tell you about all my excellent winners. But want to thank Travis for excellent investment ideas such as XER, GLRE, MKL, BRK-B, AOIFF … among others. Danke!
Have a a great weekend everyone!
Herbert

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Jeremy worth
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Jeremy worth
November 29, 2013 5:21 am

What about Petropavlovsk POG? I bought a few of these when “questor” in the Daily Telegraph said they had been oversold from £15 down to about £10 I thought yes, a sound gold mining company, when they dropped to £5 I thought “be brave when others are fearful ” and bought more, then again at about £2 (some people will never learn)
Now looking at 63 p and apparently the company is holding a £ billion in debt ( I know, DYOR ) will they ever recover?
I also have some HRT but not enough to really matter thankfully.

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David
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David
November 29, 2013 8:46 am

I’ve managed to make turkeys out of two eagles. I bought DDD and SSYS two days before the shorts attacked and they lost about a third of their value. I hung in there and was rewarded with gains as they fought their way back to a paper profit. Then, I lost my nerve with the government shutdown, and closed out the positions for a small gain a day or two before the deal was reached. For the next month, I sat on the sidelines and watched the damn things take off like rocket ships. I sold in error because I didn’t analyze what was going on to see if my original reason for buying the stocks had changed. It had not, and I should have stayed invested.

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John C
November 29, 2013 11:37 am

I too am into SAND at $7.35 and is my worst turkey. I’m looking at IAM GOLD and would appreciate a comment from someone who knows the difference in operation between the two companies as they are about the same price. From what I’ve been told, IAM GOLD is a miner and SAND is a royalty ???

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poppajohn
December 2, 2013 1:07 pm
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John C Sand was and is one of my turkeys but in all fairness, the whole industry got clobbered. Scottrade and Money.cnn.com allow direct comparisons and over 3, 6, 9 and 12 all have similar curves. Currently I favor MUX and NG because they sem to rise faster on recovery and not sink as much on price declines. Guess we will test this theory today as Gold gets hammered.

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gmmpa
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gmmpa
December 3, 2013 5:16 am
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I did not buy IAM Gold but have watched it for a year. I think the stock was good at lower prices but you have missed most of its upside unless it get acquired by a bigger mining company. The likely hood of that is not good because the entire gold mining sector is very depressed and still is not showing technical signs of a recovery anytime soon. The dividend yield is excellent if it isn’t cut. It does have a fairly lower cost of production than most gold miners. I myself like Barrick gold but I them under water in the position at $18. ABX is trading at $15.54 close its all time low but I think it is an easy double when the gold miners recover. I have a full position or I would buy more. The gold mining stocks have more upside than downside but it is not likely to move up until later next year. You probably can make money with either one but I would rather own the biggest one in the sector which has the capital to ride out to out of favor sector.

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Gary
Gary
November 29, 2013 2:36 pm

NGPHF Northern Graphite Corp lost 57% of it’s invested value for me. Touted as the most important resource in the “new world”, graphite hasn’t panned out. Or if it has become so important, NGPHF has sloppily managed their assets. (Though it is a commodity-type mining stock and perhaps that isn’t fair?)

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Bob S.
Bob S.
November 30, 2013 2:50 pm

My thanks to David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital for announcing he was shorting Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) in June of 2012 at 450. The stock dumped to 233 by October. I bought one long term option (Leap) – a Jan 2014 215 call for 50 ($5000). CMG has gone up to 515, and my option is worth $30k, up 500%, and just got long term capital gain on it late last month. Keep shorting solid Stocks David to give me a decent entry point.

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John
November 30, 2013 5:43 pm

So Bob, let me get this straight, You are the biggest turkey of the year for not posting your biggest loser!

phil01
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November 30, 2013 5:53 pm

Phil P says;
Turkey of the year is rotten old gold

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Shredder
November 30, 2013 11:01 pm

Gold may be a turkey, Barisan Gold, BG.v is up 435% in Nov. Perhaps drilling 235M of 1% copper/gold can do that, drill is turning on hole-04, minerealization from surface, drilling to 1400M on this one. Another RMC.v?

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pkammit
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December 1, 2013 11:33 am

I avoided turkeys this year by keeping my positions small and being stingy with the purchase price. However, my defensive approach lost me some winners such as REED, LGND, and a couple others that were mentioned here. Also, I lost out on FB because it shot up a dollar over my limit order price and I passed up on it. It ran and doubled in price. I didn’t buy any gold stocks this year but I did buy 3 bars of Gold at close to $1500 each.

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who noze
December 2, 2013 3:05 pm

subscribing to agora

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December 3, 2013 5:22 am
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You should check the website to make sure your subscription is not on auto renewal. You are correct in your assessment. Find another newsletter that can help you more.

vivian lewis
December 2, 2013 3:48 pm

What I will not eat is pumpkin pie or sweet potatoes topped with marshmallows. But turkey is part of my heritage despite my global instincts. This year’s lemon is Anoto Group, maker of systems for converting handwriting into internet-web compatible inputs, a Swedish outfit. The first thing that happened is that they eliminated their American Depositary Receipt but me, the editor of the ADR newsletter didn’t sell just because of that. I moved the stock, now a pink sheeter with ticker symbol AOTOF to my bank account which manages oddball investments in funny markets. Sweden is not really a funny market but what the heck. I thought about averaging down but decided instead to wait for the chance to exercise the warrants the fading firm created which go live Dec. 6.
So today I called my broker at the bank and was told that the options may not be bought by US retail investors, only institutions. And if I couldn’t exercise the options I should sell them. But the value of the options is $30.30 and the bank would charge $29.50 for the sale. I would get one big buck.
I tried another tack. How about selling the options and the shares and charging me the standard commish, which is $65? No, this counts as two trades and the fee would be a horrendous $94.50. This is the bank which uses my check account as its float, and which always takes the side of the vendor (even if he is a crook) when there is a credit card dispute.
I then checked with the Swedish company and they said they would be happy to let me exercise the options and buy more stock. The issue is the US SEC since the options are not registered. However, as noted, I already own these shares and would only be buying more with the options issued to shareholders. The SEC could figure out that I know all about Anoto as I get its reports, and can prove it. So it is not protecting me; it is making money for banks and brokers.
That is one turkey.
The second is an Australian REIT which issued units that stopped trading. They are worth something but they will only pay out in 2088, which will be after my time. So right now they are worth zero. This turkey is called BAO Trust and has a cusip, 066996075; it was converted into these weirdo entities so nobody Down Under would sue the managers for screwing up so completely in a real estate investment trust which is supposed to be safe.
The two gobble-bird investments came to about $6000 when they were made. Today the total in the AOTOF share, which still trades, is $313 and change.
I am thinking about adopting Oz nationality in order to get to the bottom of BAO and to also be able to avoid the SEC “protection” over the rights issue. But then I couldn’t celebrate Thanksgiving and eat turkey.

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