MERIT PAYCHECK – Trading the QQQs. from Wendy Kirkland

By xiexgp@gmail.com, January 15, 2014

Has anyone had any dealings with this service? All I’m finding is some great commentary and high recommendations from review sites. Is the ”P3 squeeze” for real? Would be very interested in any comments from anyone who has had time to check this out!

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I’ve read a bit of Wendy Kirkland’s first book and received her email promo about her Merit Paycheck service. The results she promises seem too outrageous to be possible. Checking online, at first I only found “reviews” that are actually PR releases if you look at the URLs. Finally I found a blog written by a trader who knows Wendy personally, has read her books, has traded using her system, and has moved on. http://bevjackson.blogspot.com/2011/10/options-animal-wall-street.html Bev Jackson doesn’t trash Wendy at all. She merely says that Wendy’s system works only in up markets so when the market went down, Bev… Read more »

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webmind
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That’s not really fair as her experience of using her system was admittedly from several years ago. I’m sure the system has been updated somewhat since then, but nobody has the holy grail. In the end, no matter how good the service may be, the buck stops with you. Learn the art and craft of trading and expect to put in many years and some hard earned money in the process.

Bev Jackson
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That’s absolutely true, Dan. It’s not fair to judge Wendy on my very OLD experience when she was first getting started. I only wanted to underline the fact that I spent thousands of dollars on people’s mentoring programs, and lost money in every case. My blog is to encourage people to educate themselves with the TON of available FREE information on the internet. I think Wendy is smart and creative, and not meaning to ever bad mouth her.

Happytaps
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Happytaps

Bev .. is there someone or service for trading options you recommend ?

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Mike
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Mike

I have some doubts. She wants almost two thousand dollars up front with no money back guarantee

William
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William

I viewed her latest webinar and the current guarantee for Merit Paycheck is. “If not profitable after one year, refund issued”.

FT
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FT

Dan, “that’s not really fair” to be critical of her? There are too many trading advisory services out there making very lofty claims. With that, they better be good! Yeah, nobody has the holy grail as you say. Yet they all claim that they do! And Wendy Kirkland certainly claims she has the holy grail. You sound very naive.

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Wait a minute! It’s not advertised as do-it-yourself learning. If I’m going to learn to be profitable by myself, why should I spend $1997 for Wendy’s alerts? This is a product, and as such it should have some value. As for your criticism that this is old data, how about this? I subscribed to the QQQ “merit paycheck” service in November 2017 after seeing Ms Kirkland’s ads for many years. The trade frequency was very low, and the trades were very unsuccessful. I asked to be switched to the Triumph program (trades a selection of ETFs) to have a higher… Read more »

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dlbnext

Wendy is a Con Artist. She used to have a Monday night open form. Before she came on one Monday I asked those logged on, has anyone made money using Wendy’s P3 system? Not one person had. She has made a million dollars selling Hope and Change , not a system that works. She has reinvented new names for her con over the years., but it’s still a con.

Darryl
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Darryl

Any experience trading options using Chuck Hughes programs?

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janet olson
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He charged $5,000 for the crappiest “service” ever. He’d send a trade, then follow up on it quite a bit later saying, “Opps, wrong strike, or wrong symbol,” or whatever. Happened MANY times. You cannot trust his “service,” as he “inadvertently” sends you the wrong information. I asked for my money back and he told me to whistle Dixie.

Azam Khan
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Azam Khan

What I am finding useful is to attend their FREE webinars if I have time or read their PDF’s if I don’t have time, and then do my own research on the strategy and paper trade. What they are touting are common strategies which are complex for starter traders, paper trade until you are comfortable and then start with small plays!
All the best!

Jack W
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Jack W

Azam Khan, I believe you are on a great path. Traders with a few years experience behind them should be able to watch, read and learn. Some of the free materials out there is all you need to get started testing out a method new to you. The problem arises when beginners want to “jump start” their trading and begin in high gear, Purchasing an expensive alert service can be helpful but it becomes a crutch for many. They get into trouble and blame the system, it is NEVER the trader’s fault. I am NOT an apologist for some of… Read more »

Mike
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Mike

He is a con artist

Patrick Hefley
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Wendy Kirkland is a complete fraud. I used her service and her track record is about 5% winners and 95% loosers – that is the reason she sells her “system”. SHE IS A HABITUAL LOOSER!!!! AND A VERY GOOD LIAR.
She claims 95% success rate and this is completely ficticious – she just made it up to steal your money. And then she gets on the internet and posts raving review about herself. EVERYTHING SHE SAYS IS A LIE!!!

Bill
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Bill

Did you follow her trades exactly and what about all those people that say they make a lot of money in those testimonials? Anybody can win more than 5% of the time trading options.So how can you say she loses 95% of the time? Doesn’t sound correct.How much did you lose? She does have a 12 month money back guarantee if you do not make an overall profit after 12 months you get a complete refund.

Jim
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Jim

Bill, just the fact you ask these questions means you deserve to lose your shirt! Please do join and come back and let us know how you did. And if you think there is some kind of guarantee, I have a bridge I would like you to consider buying. Wendy Kirkland and those associated with this scam should be locked up to protect those poor suckers like you!

Just Say'n
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Just Say'n

Amen Jim.

uudsligar
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I subscribed to the QQQ “merit paycheck” service in November 2017 after seeing Ms Kirkland’s ads for many years. The trade frequency was very low, and the trades were very unsuccessful. I asked to be switched to the Triumph program (trades a selection of ETFs) to have a higher trade frequency. I followed the service alerts exactly and my account nearly disappeared within 8 trades. I continued to follow her alerts, obviously without trading them. After one year, 44 trades, the average loss not counting commissions was over 19%. This is current data. I have requested the refund which was… Read more »

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About testimonials: Have you noticed that some folks’ testimonials are used to peddle 2 or more different products? Same picture, same words. Such as Terri F (3), Bob and Fran, Robert C., Nathan, Melvin C (3), Laura S., Forrest etc.

Butch
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Butch

Really? If that is true ,how come she gets all these great reviews by people that use her advisory service? Also, how come no one has killed her yet?

Jim J
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Jim J

Butch,
I highly recommend you invest all your assets in using Wendy’s trades and come back here in about 3 months and tell us all just how well you have done.

Grace
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Grace

thank you for mentioning why her system made many lose a lot. this makes your comment very useful as spreads are critical in managing risks. also thank you for mentioning the weakness of her system in dealing with market down trends.

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ABishop

Thanks for the excellent post, lots of mail coming from North Carolina home of the unbeatable trading systems. The ad copy is very effective and the price seems so low for a lifetime of trading success . Why would anyone work if trading was so easy? The weekly options systems are also fun to read. Thanks again to stock gumshoe for saving us from ourselves.

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Actually, if you use the P3 system in up markets, you will make money. I have been using it for several years successfully. However, it doesn’t work too well with miners and it doesn’t work too well in down markets. However, if you learn about options, as several here have stated, and apply the extra knowledge you would then bring to the table, I think you can do quite well with the P3 system–just beware of the limitations. I did not see this thread when it started or I would have commented then. I was looking for something else when… Read more »

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Tim
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Tim

The thing is the weaknesses are never revealed. You just get the 95% in my opionon that is not being truthful.

DAVID TAVERAS
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DAVID TAVERAS

I want to know about you service

Steve
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Nicely presented brochure by Wendy…but aren’t they all. Having traded options for years I can tell you that there is absolutely no free lunch. Sure, it’s possible that Wendy does well trading options…at lease that’s what she says and she most certainly is a smart lady..However, trading options for aliving is a pipe dream for most people. Unfortunately I have come to believe that the “gurus” who send out these brochures telling us that making options is so easy that a blind dog with a note in his mouth can do it are not to be taken seriously. If it… Read more »

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Joe
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I have friends who trade options for a living so I know it can be done. I trade options and have made good money and lost some also. It all depends on that individual and if they will apply themselves and take the time to learn. I get Wendy’s newsletters in mail and I must admit it’s very tempting to join up, but I’ve been in other services that hit and missed on their alerts. No one in their right mind should believe a newsletter that boast of never having any loses. This is not being honest and forth coming.… Read more »

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John s
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Seems a All these newsletter services com from the same source tradewins and they all have a sad story of how they were devasted they make their money selling news letters

dlbnext
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dlbnext

Yes John, any thing coming from that NC address a trash mail.

Ken
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Ken

Tradewinds is a site created by Chuck Hughes – enough said?
View the site and look for reviews on “their piggy banks” – you will see a common trail.

Stephen
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Stephen

I have traded for over 30 years, primarily options. I have experience with Wendy’s system and find it unmatched for timely entries! I have combined it with other systems to be most effective. I usually go further than one week out so that I can sell weekly options against the position to turn what may be a small loss into a profit. It is important , as in any other system, to minimize losses. This is up to the trader to position this. If one is having “huge” losses with Wendy’s system I would blame the trader for poor money… Read more »

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Lori
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Lori

Thanks Stephen! Could you tell me which service(s) of Wendy Kirkland’s you are using?

Sp
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Sp

Could you recommend any others services?

Mike
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Mike

The Options Animal course is expensive and does not make lofty promises but it is good

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dlbnext
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dlbnext

Stephen, Wendy has a lot of friends (paid or not) that will support her. I call it the liars club.

JackRusse1l
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JackRusse1l

dlbnext, would you care to list the members of ‘the liars club’? I would be curious to know the number you have identified and some of the sources where I can help you keep up with these individuals.

jhonny
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jhonny

Hi Wendy

summerpd
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Why be rude? Stephen just told you what he experienced. I don’t use her service, just her P3 system. As Stephen noted, it is excellent for timing entries. I have added other items to use in addition but Stephen is correct.

Tim
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Tim

So you are saying that you get 95% results form her system just by following it as she advises. For those people who just want to trade the signal you are giving them false hope.

Bob
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Bob

I tried Wendy Kirkland’s Merit Trading service using her six month subscription from January to June 2014. I used her autotrade service. Every month was a losing month. I found her operation to be less than professional. On numerous occasions on the alerts she would send out the wrong call i.e. she would say sell when she meant buy and vice versa. They obviously just cut and pasted from previous alerts without checking their work before sending it out. Her guarantee states you have to have lost money for a full year before you can get a refund. So six… Read more »

Barry
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Barry

Hi Bob, did you ever re-sign for another 6 months or 1 year, whats the latest on your situation, or did you just run away.Barry

lobo85
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No, I didn’t. I was not happy with their attitude.

Debbie
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Debbie

Hi Bob….

My friend is just about to plunge 22,500. into her program. I’m trying to convince my friend not to get involved. He’s excited about the program but open minded enough to listen to other people. If I’m not imposing could you talk or email my friend about your thoughts. He asked me to give you his email address
agaskill@maalnet.com

Thank you for your time and trouble if you have a moment…..Debbie

Chris
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Chris

I too lost money using Wendy’s Kirkland system. Couldn’t get refund after 2 weeks of service. They said I passed the 78 hours time frame which were never disclosed in the website or the email or the order confirmation I received. Her materials were back ordered for over a month. They said had to wait a year to get refund. Who would want to wait and loose more money with her system. Majority of her alerts were loosing trades. Very unprofessional customer service. They were very nice when you tried to sign up, assuming they were getting some commission. Nasty… Read more »

CT Bell
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CT Bell

Bob, you did not read her guarantee correctly. I do not trade Wendy’s system (because I am profitable with my own system). But, Wendy’s system does NOT say that you will not lose money. It specifically says that if HER RECOMMENDATIONS do not make a 100% return within 12 months, you will get a refund. She cannot, and does not, guarantee what YOU will gain or lose. That depends entirely on how you place your trades, when you take profits and where you set stop losses. If you don’t trade with greed, there is no way that you can have… Read more »

Tim
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Tim

So even thought people haven’t made a profit from her system & people find the offer deceiving the people who pay over a $1,000+ are at fault because they are greedy? Boy are you something. Scolding people won’t help, try to do something constructive and provide information and direction to help them.

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uudsligar
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Sorry, Guest — Are you representing or employed by the Kirkland service? Because all the risk management you like won’t help the fact that her average loss Nov 2017 to Nov 2018 (following her trade entries / exits, not my trades) is over 19% per trade. Position sizing — allocating the same dollar size to each trade. Doing this, the alerts produce either a loss or a gain, irrespective of money management. Wendy’s service produced a net loss.

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vern
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yea bob i lost my entire trading account plus the 1000 fee she charges and her people kept trying to upsale me. its my fault for falling for this scam. the gurantee should allert everone

Jim
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Jim

Whenever some “service” tries to continually “up-sell” you….run away as fast as you can! Better yet, don’t get involved with these so-called trading services. I know of only one such web-site that is successful and its cost is extremely affordable. And never any “up-selling.”

George
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Hey Him,
Would you be so kind to give me the name of the web site that you mentioned that is successful and affordable?

bob
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bob

Jim, I am very interested to know what the website is that you like. Thanks!

Jim
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Jim

Tastytrade.com

Loya
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Loya

What website, Jim? I so want to become successful…. Loya

Julie
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Julie

Tasty trade and theotrade are the only 2 honest ones I’ve ever found. And they have a lot of FREE info on YouTube vids as well.

Jonathan Nelson
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Jonathan Nelson

I have been a member of Wendy Kirkland’s service since January, 2014 and am patiently waiting for my year to run out. The guarantee offered is for 100% profit within a year. So far, I do not even have a profit. After experiencing at one point 4 out of 5 trades with full losses or almost full losses I stopped trading her trades live and have been paper trading them so I can document my claim for my refund. Someone said she is smart. That may be but it is not in trading. Her one skill is she knows how… Read more »

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