Pre-VIC thoughts

by Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe | April 2, 2014 11:23 am

What's on the table for the Value Investing Congress pre-conference workshop?

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8 responses to “Pre-VIC thoughts”

  1. Interestingly, per our article yesterday, Tilson has been discussing his short positions and just noted that Organovo (ONVO), a short bet that he’s patiently waiting on, is one of the worst businesses he’s ever seen. He’s just waiting for it to crack so he can add to his short position.

    He calls the whole 3d printing business an obvious bubble, too, not just ONVO — “3D printing is real, the stock valuations are not” … and said that the alternative power sector (PLUG, Ballard, Capstone) is another one.

  2. He did get into much more detail on his shorts later in the day, including deeper analysis of his DDD short and his QCOR short, both pretty compelling arguments.

    For DDD, the short version is: never in history has a large cap non-pharmaceutical manufacturing company been valued at 10X sales when it reached a $10 billion market cap, that kind of high valuation has been reserved for huge margin companies like internet stocks and biotechs, and there have only been a dozen or so of them that he can find. DDD is extremely promotional and valuations assume mass adoption eventually of 3D printers, which is not likely in the near term. He likes SSYS better because it has a better business and is less promotional (to investors), but it’s also victim to the overvaluation hype so he is short every 3D printing stock he can find (there are five of them that are reasonably sized public companies, he is short all of them but DDD is the most egregious and misleading in hyping itself, he says).

  3. ockrazor says:

    Thanks for the updates Travis.

  4. sportsbiz says:

    So, were his comment on alternative power companies mostly a throw away line or did he get into a discussion of them later. They ran up in the last couple of weeks and sort fo ran past, way past, what I would think of as reasonable valuation for most of these companies which are, admittedly, still being values on the basis of technology not sales.

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