Is the “Placebo Effect” Real? And Might it be Really Useful?

More non-financial thoughts from "Doc Gumshoe"

By Michael Jorrin, "Doc Gumshoe", July 22, 2014

[ed. note: Michael Jorrin, who I like to call “Doc Gumshoe” (he’s a longtime medical writer, not a doctor) writes about health and medicine topics for us from time to time. His words and thoughts are his own.]

The word “placebo” is the first person singular, future tense, of the Latin verb “placere,” to please or be pleasing. It means “I shall be pleasing.” It was a familiar word in antiquity, with no medical meaning, as the first word of a dirge for the dead, Placebo Domino in regione vivorum – “I shall be pleasing to the Lord in the lands of the living.”

From that definitely respectable point of departure, the word took on a somewhat negative tone. To sing a placebo meant to be a flatterer, a sycophant, a servile and perhaps deceptive sort of fellow, the kind we would now call a con man or a hustler.

The first citation in my Oxford English Dictionary that relates in any way to the current medical use dates from 1811 and comes from Hooper’s Medical Dictionary: “Placebo – an epithet given to any medicine adapted more to please than benefit the patient.” And then this one, from the New York State Journal of Medicine in 1946: “You cannot write a prescription without the element of a placebo. The fact that it is signed by a doctor, that it has to be taken to a drug store to be made up, that it has, perhaps, a bad taste, all of those are placebo elements in a prescription.”

Now we’re getting to it. The OED’s definition is “a substance or procedure which a patient accepts as a medicine or therapy but which actually has no specific therapeutic effect for his condition, or is prescribed in the belief that it has no such activity.” In other words, according to that definition, the physician knows that the pill is a dummy, but the patient thinks it’s real. When the physician gives the patient a placebo, the physician is engaging in deception, even though the physician’s intent is to benefit the patient in some way.

And from the patient’s belief that he or she has been given a bona fide, effective medication or treatment, flows some kind of benefit, by some mysterious process that has been called the placebo effect.

That, at least, is one way of defining the placebo effect, as a deception by the physician and unwitting acceptance of that deception by the patient. But there is another way of describing the placebo effect. Some workers in the field now believe that patients derive a benefit from the experience of being treated in a therapeutic setting, whether or not the specific treatment has a clinical benefit. No deception is intended by the clinician, and no acceptance of deception needs to take place on the patient’s part. We’ll discuss that version of the placebo effect later on.

A warning to citizens of Gumshoeland who hope that despite Doc Gumshoe’s repeated disclaimers that he does not recommend stocks, nonetheless there will be a tiny hint of a pharmaceutical or other company that might somehow cash in by cashing in on the placebo effect. Be it known that there will be no hints, veiled or otherwise. This is not to say that at some point a way to make serious money legitimately from the placebo effect will not be found, and when (and if!) such a way is found, Doc Gumshoe hopes that he will be able to spot it and let you all in on it.

So why should you be interested in the placebo effect? Two reasons. One, because it is difficult if not impossible to assess the efficacy of any treatment or intervention without understanding the placebo effect. And, two, because at some point in our lives, it’s almost certain to affect us personally, and it’s kind of nice to know what’s going on, right?

A bit of background: what put Doc Gumshoe on this topic?

From the first moment that I began to put my toes in the swirling waters of medical writing, I was aware of placebos and the placebo effect. And it has become increasingly clear that the two terms have somewhat different meanings. That is, the placebo effect, as it is discussed in clinical studies of drugs and various types of interventions, is not always caused by the kinds of substances that were traditionally used as placebos. There’s a lot of confusion out there.

It is certainly the case that physicians have, whether knowingly or not, prescribed a lot of placebos. It used to be fairly common that doctors gave some patients “sugar pills” (whether they were really sugar pills or not, they were meant to have no clinical activity). These might be patients whom the doctors suspected of being hypochondriacs – malades imaginaires – or patients who had vague symptoms and felt generally lousy, but for whom doctors had no specific treatment at hand. So the treatment consisted of a bit of soothing talk and a pill of some kind, in the hopes that the patient would indeed feel better. And, lo and behold, a good deal of the time the patient did feel better. In many cases, this was because the malady resolved spontaneously. But sometimes, it was thought that when patients thought they had received a bona fide treatment, they actually responded with a real improvement in their symptoms.

And it is also the case that there were, “in the old days,” a lot of remedies that didn’t really have any clinical efficacy, but definitely had an effect on patients’ mood. Geritol was a hugely popular tonic back in the mid-20th century. It was marketed to the elderly, and it was supposed to combat feelings of fatigue. It actually did have some active ingredients – iron, and Vitamin B, and as such might have delivered some benefit to people with anemia (although iron supplements also lead to a condition called hemochromatosis, which can be dangerous). But the ingredient in Geritol that made patients feel good was alcohol. Geritol was about 12% alcohol, about the same as a robust cabernet sauvignon.

Another such “health tonic” was Peruna, a sweet gingery-tasting concoction, which was about 18% alcohol. Were Geritol and Peruna placebos? I would contend that they were. Some people might have been taking these (and other) concoctions for the alcoholic content alone, but many genuinely took them as tonics, to perk themselves up and feel better. And lots of people swore by them, convinced that there was something in them that helped with whatever symptoms they were experiencing.

And then there’s the case of my mother, in whom a drug that I think was intended as a placebo did not work. She was then in her late 80s, and she began to experience severe pains in her lower back. So she went to her regular physician, and came away with a prescription. After more than a week, she told me that she was feeling no better. I asked her what she was taking, and she told me it was Elavil. Elavil is amitriptyline, a very common antidepressant. When I explained to her what she had been prescribed, she was decidedly vexed with her doctor, and took him to task for trying to fob here off with what amounted to a placebo.

Although not in my mother’s case, it’s entirely possible that in some persons, an antidepressant might have helped a patient with aches and pains. It could help a person (not my mother!) relax, and thus perhaps ease muscle tensions. And there are likely to be other mind-body connections that might make placebos effective.

I might add here that antidepressants are a standard treatment for fibromyalgia, a diagnosis that groups a number of aches and pains that are sometimes misdiagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis, as well as other symptoms. There are some health professionals who shake their heads at treating that complex of symptoms with an antidepressant, suggesting that for want of a treatment that more directly addresses the underlying disease process, what physicians are doing, when they put patients with fibromyalgia on antidepressants, is prescribing placebos. (By the way, my mother certainly did not have fibromyalgia, which can be a puzzling condition.)

Can a diagnosis in itself be a placebo?

Here’s another little story for your entertainment: a friend of my wife’s had persistent headaches. He went to a neurologist and was informed that what he had was idiopathic occipital neuralgia. Supposedly, no immediate treatment was indicated. And he felt better after being given that “diagnosis.” But when my wife told me what this chap’s diagnosis was, I was baffled. What the neurologist had told him was precisely nothing – namely that he had persistent headaches (neuralgias) of unknown cause (idiopathic) in the back of his head (occipital). If the neurologist had used those plain English words, my wife’s friend would have felt no better. But the medical terminology evidently made him feel better, because he thought that he was in no imminent danger. This evidently had a placebo effect. (It later turned out that he had a brain tumor, not malignant but space-occupying, and it was successfully removed.)

And consider this. The December 12, 2011 issue of The New Yorker had an interesting article by Michael Specter entitled “The Power of Nothing,” with the subtitle “Could studying the placebo effect change the way we think about medicine?” It was serious and well-written, but in my view, deeply wrong.

Specter tells about an episode of worrisome chest pain that he experienced. Even though he has no cardiac risk factors, he thought he might possibly be having a heart attack and went to his doctor, who examined him and told him he was fine. His pain “suddenly disappeared.” He asks himself, “could words really banish a pain I had struggled with for hours? After I got home, I realized that I had been given a placebo.”

Specter’s doctor made sure that Specter was not having a heart attack, and he did nothing more than relieve Specter’s anxiety about the possibility that he might be having a heart attack, and when his anxiety was diminished, the pain went away. If Specter had indeed been having a heart attack, and his doctor persuaded him that he was okay, the pain might possibly have diminished a bit. But the reassurance would certainly not have stopped an MI in progress. He might have keeled over dead.

What Specter got was a form of cognitive therapy, in addition to a genuine diagnosis. And there’s no doubt that cognitive therapy works – it’s not a placebo, and no reputable clinician thinks so.

So, what’s the underlying difference between what happened with my wife’s friend and Michael Specter? In the case of my wife’s friend, what helped him feel better was nothing more than the aura of the physician – the healer’s touch, the magical incantation of medical terminology. Specter, on the other hand, had a bona fide medical examination which turned up no evidence of a myocardial infarction. So he could legitimately stop worrying.

However, it can be difficult and confusing to try to sort out those two potentially benign effects.

The role of the placebo effect in clinical trials

In a great many clinical trials, the new intervention – whether a drug or a procedure – is compared with a placebo, at least initially. (Further along, the new intervention may be compared with an established intervention, but in the early stages the placebo-controlled trial is the standard.) The people running clinical trials go to extraordinary lengths to make it difficult-to-impossible to tell which intervention is the real thing and which is the “placebo.” Not only must the patient or trial subject not know, but none of the health professionals carrying out the trial know. Presumably, the “placebo effect” can have an effect not only on the patient, but also on the investigators – if they believe that the patient is getting the “real” intervention, it may color their interpretation of the patient’s condition. So if the investigational drug is a little capsule, blue on one end and pink on the other end, so is the placebo. That’s easy. It’s not so easy when what’s being tested is a device. If it’s an electronic head-band that’s supposed to alleviate depression and if the device buzzes when it’s switched on, so must the “placebo,” or dummy device. Surgical interventions are not usually subject to placebo-controlled clinical trials, but just about every other kind of intervention is evaluated this way.

And what do they find? Not surprisingly, some patients in the placebo group actually get better. The question that has vexed a great many physicians, and others, for a good many years, is “why?” It’s fairly easy, in many kinds of illnesses, to discount the placebo effect in most cases. For example, if we’re testing an antibiotic against a certain class of infections, the data (and experience) tells us that those infections do resolve spontaneously some of the time. The antennae of suspicion rise when we know, say, that those infections tend to resolve in 8 to 10 days, but many patients in the placebo group report improvement in their symptoms in 3 to 5 days. However, trials in infectious diseases assess not only how the patient is feeling – clinical outcomes – but also bacteriologic outcomes, i. e., whether the drug is reducing the population of the pathogen that caused the infection. If a placebo were able to affect the bacteriologic outcome, the medical community would really sit up and take notice. This doesn’t happen. Placebos do not kill germs, but they do seem to affect symptoms

The placebo response in clinical trials: what does it mean?

When subjects in clinical trials demonstrate a suspiciously high placebo response, investigators quite reasonably look for any possible cause other than the placebo effect. For example, could the patient’s participation in a clinical trial by itself have influence the outcome? The patient is seeing health professionals, is aware that he or she is in a clinical trial, and may be behaving in ways that have health implications.

As we would expect, there is a great deal of variation in the responses of placebo-treated patients in trials in different medical conditions. The more the supposed efficacy of the intervention depends on patient self-report, the higher the response in the placebo cohort tends to be. Pain medication trials frequently report fairly high responses in patients treated with placebo, partly, of course, because some pain episodes resolve spontaneously, but perhaps partly because of the placebo effect: that is, some patients think they have been given the active medication, and convince themselves that they ought to be feeling some relief from their pain, and this – somehow – results in actual, real pain relief. Or perhaps, as we’ll see later, patients benefit somehow from just being in a therapeutic setting.

One of the conditions in which exceedingly high responses are reported in the placebo-treated cohort in clinical trials is major depressive disorder (MDD). The efficacy of antidepressants is usually evaluated according to one or more of several so-called “validated instruments,” such as the Hamilton Depression Scale (HAM-D) – “validated,” because patients’ scores on such tests tend to agree with the assessments of trained clinicians. An antidepressant is considered to be effective if it improves the scores of a patient taking that antidepressant by a previously set measure. It is not at all unusual for as many as 25% of patients in the placebo group to improve their scores by the target amount. And in some cases, the active drug improves their scores by only 15% or even 10% more than the placebo. Even such a small improvement on the depression scale can be enough to have a drug approved by the FDA for treatment of major depressive disorder.

Is the improvement of patients taking the dummy pills in such a clinical trial evidence of a placebo response – or are there other likely explanations?

Well, there are certainly other likely explanations, and some of you have doubtless thought of them already. First, MDD is a condition that waxes and wanes, sometimes with no particular external reason. Second, even when there is what clinicians call a “neurophysiologic” cause – meaning something going on with the brain chemistry and wiring – depression also has obvious external causes, i.e., life goes on and things get better, or worse, as the case may be. Third – and this is where the placebo response issue comes into play – even though the patients in these clinical trials are specifically not receiving talking therapy or cognitive therapy, they are in a therapeutic setting, speaking with health professionals, taking self-assessment tests. And some of them think that they are getting the active drug, and they perceive that their depression is actually lifting.

Is this a placebo effect, or are they just kidding themselves? Or, to put it another way, is the placebo effect nothing more than people just kidding themselves, or is something real going on?

So, back to the original question…

This brings us back to where we started: is the placebo effect real, and if so, can it be put to work in legitimate patient care. Well, a number of highly-credentialed clinicians lean towards answering that question in the positive.

A professor at the Harvard Medical School named Ted Kaptchuk, along with several colleagues at several hospitals affiliated with the medical school (HMS) created the Program in Placebo Studies and Therapeutic Encounter (PiPS), which is headquartered at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. It’s a multidisciplinary program, searching for explanations of how the placebo effect works – not if, mind you, but how – and drawing on the locally available expertise from many fields, not only clinical medicine, but psychology, neurology, biology, anthropology, and whatever else may seem relevant. From Kaptchuk’s perspective, if the placebo effect can be channeled and applied to patient care where appropriate, it would be foolish not to try to employ it. That would be like having a useful tool in the toolkit and not putting it to work.

Kaptchuk has curious credentials for a professor at HMS. He had been an acupuncturist, with a degree in Chinese medicine from an institute in Macao. He is evidently pretty smart, since soon after joining the Harvard faculty, he was winning grants from the NIH and publishing in top medical journals. What got him started on studying placebos is that fairly often, when patients came to him for acupuncture treatment, they started feeling better before the treatment started. So he designed a clinical trial, in collaboration with a gastroenterologist, in patients with irritable bowel syndrome (IBD).

In this trial none of the patients actually received acupuncture treatment. The patients were divided into three groups. Group one was told that they were on a waiting list for treatment. Group two received sham acupuncture treatment – that is, the needles made contact with skin at the appropriate points, but did not penetrate. And group three received the exact same treatment, except that it was accompanied by a whole lot of touchy-feely attention. No surprise, group three experienced by far the greatest relief from their IBD symptoms.

What this meant was that the placebo effect, at least in this case, didn’t arise only from the clinician’s deception and the patients’ acceptance of that deception, but from the patients’ experience of a therapeutic setting and the sympathetic behavior of the therapists.

This trial was followed by another study in IBD patients, where two groups were compared. One group received no treatment whatever. The second group was told in advance that they would receive a placebo – they were actually given inert pills in bottle labelled “placebo.” And even knowing that the treatment they were receiving was a sham, the second group reported twice as much symptom relief as the group that received no treatment.

So what is it that makes placebos work, when they do work? The potential answers come from brain chemistry.

A quick look at the other side of the placebo effect

In some clinical trials, the incidence of adverse effects in patients taking placebos is considerable. Some researchers call this the “nocebo effect,” nocebo being Latin for “I will harm you.” Nobody really believes that a totally inert pill by itself is capable of causing the severe headaches, nausea, dizziness, or other symptoms observed in clinical trial subjects taking placebos. However, their acceptance of the fact that they may be taking an active drug and that active drugs are known to have adverse effects, may somehow trigger physiologic changes resulting in those same adverse effects.

Neuroscientists at the University of Turin, led by Fabrizio Benedetti, have studied this effect, and come to the conclusion that certain specific neural pathways are affected by these verbal cues. Says Benedetti, “What we have learned is that therapeutic rituals move a lot of molecules in the brain, and that these molecules are the very same as those activated by the drugs we give in routine clinical practice.” The brain regions identified by this team include the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal (HPA) axis and also the hippocampus, which is involved with memory, but also with anxiety. The adverse effects that were presumably triggered by this awareness were nullified by the anxiolytic diazepam (Valium), suggesting that anxiety played a major role in these effects. Diazepam, by the way, had no effect on any underlying pain experienced by these patients – only on specific pain arising from the “nocebo effect” – that is, (for example), the headache would go away, but not the pain in the arthritic knee.

How might the placebo effect work?

Researchers have also found that other neurotransmitters are active in the placebo effect. When patients are given agents that block the transmission of endorphins, which are active in pain relief, the placebo effect ceases. Thus, it can be surmised that placebos trigger the release of endorphins. And placebos have also been shown to increase the levels of dopamine in the brain. When placebos work, they do so by activating physiologic responses that have well-understood effects.

Kaptchuk and associates did a study of the placebo effect in migraines that demonstrated the very large effect of how the pill – whether real drug or placebo – was labelled. Migraineurs were given either an active antimigraine drug (rizatriptan, Maxalt) or a dummy pill. All the pills were labelled in one of three ways – as placebos, as either placebos or Maxalt, or as Maxalt. In each case, the pills labelled as Maxalt worked the best. Real Maxalt labelled as Maxalt worked better than real Maxalt labelled as placebo, and better than real Maxalt labelled as placebos or Maxalt. And the same relationship held for the dummy pills – a dummy pill labelled as Maxalt worked better than a dummy pill labelled as placebo. Furthermore, the dummy pills correctly labelled as placebo were more effective than no treatment at all. Judging the overall results of the study, the investigators concluded that the placebo effect accounted for about 50% of the effectiveness of the treatment.

In another very carefully conducted study, Kaptchuk and associates evaluated four different interventions in asthma patients: active treatment with albuterol inhalers, placebo treatment with fake inhalers, sham acupuncture treatment, and no treatment at all. When patients’ lung function was assessed, the only intervention that worked was treatment with albuterol inhalers. But when patients were asked to assess their own response to treatment, they reported that the two fake treatments worked as well as the bona fide albuterol inhalers.

This begins to zero in on where the placebo effect might be valuable – as well as where it might actually be dangerous. As in the general case of infectious diseases, where the placebo effect might relieve symptoms, but not attack the cause, something similar apparently happened with the asthma patients. An asthma attack is scary. The patients think that any minute they won’t be able to breathe at all. The more they try to force air into their lungs, the tighter their airways get, and the less lung capacity they have. Easing the stress, relaxing a bit, can help a good deal. And it’s conceivable that the placebo effect helps to trigger the sympathetic nervous system response that leads to the release of norepinephrine, a neurotransmitter that promotes bronchodilation.

At the same time, asthma can be fatal. An asthma attack can require medical intervention. A placebo could well fool a patient into thinking that he/she is getting better and doesn’t need to get help – until it’s too late.

Getting back to the case of Michael Specter, who thought he was having a heart attack, went to a doctor, had tests, was assured that he was not having a heart attack, and felt better. If the doctor had merely assured him that he was not having a heart attack, without doing the tests, that would have been a placebo. But it might have put Specter at serious risk.

And in what types of conditions might it be useful?

For a start, placebo investigators are clear that placebos will not cure cancer or kill viruses or remove plaque from clogged arteries or clear away beta-amyloid from the brains of people with Alzheimer’s disease. When we hear or read of miraculous cures of people with serious, life-threatening diseases, we can be pretty sure that it wasn’t placebos that were at work.

At the same time, the evidence that they relieve a range of symptoms is pretty strong. Mostly, these would be termed “subjective” symptoms. However, those subjective symptoms can have a major impact on people’s lives. Depression, for example, is one of the leading causes of missed work in the United States, is linked with all manner of life-altering comorbidities, and can lead to suicide in some individuals. And no one should underestimate the consequences of chronic pain.

Pharmaceutical companies are exceedingly interested in the placebo effect – not because they would like to harness it, but because they would like – if possible – to minimize it in clinical trials. One of the findings of the Harvard Program in Placebo Studies is that particular variants in a gene linked to dopamine release affects individuals’ responses to placebos, such that some individuals hardly respond to placebos at all, while others are highly responsive. Pharm companies would like to recruit those persons who do not respond to placebos (e.g., my mother) so as to eliminate that source of doubt in clinical trials. If they were able to do that, clinical trials might be able to enroll fewer patients, and cost a whole lot less money.

A tentative conclusion: it’s not primarily about deception. It’s mostly about the patient’s total experience in the therapeutic setting.

It’s not magic, and it’s not quackery. Doc Gumshoe, your sworn skeptic, trained by Miss Truesdell to put the little grey cells to good use, thinks that the therapeutic experience needs to have more to it than the physician entering information on the computer and coming up with a treatment plan as recommended by an algorithm. The physician needs to look away from the computer screen and become a healer. When patients are involved in that kind of experience, the experience itself elicits genuine physiologic responses that result in real relief of symptoms. And if the principal consequences of a medical condition are symptoms which by themselves result in no further harm, this kind of placebo effect might be quite helpful.

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Many thanks for all the comments! If you think I’ve gone over to the side of the quacks, don’t hesitate to shoot me down. As for future pieces, I’ve been pondering doing one on depression, which I mentioned a couple of times in this piece. Other possibilities: fibromyalgia, psoriasis, skin cancer. Please let me know. Best to all, Michael Jorrin (aka Doc Gumshoe)


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Jim Hasak
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Thank you, Michael. Having read your article, I feel better already.

Wahhab
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A lot of “modern” maladies, such as Fibromyalgia, are treated with antidepressants, or with nerve “stabilizers” otherwise known as anti-seizure medications. Much of this has to be Placebo effect combined someone’s desire to make money.

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Some anticonvulsants and antidepressants are used in pain medicine as there are a multitude of receptors, pathways and second messenger systems that are activated in pain states. These medications act on different areas of this, especially in patients where there is central sensitization occurring within the pain state., for example fibromyalgia. (I obtain no monetary benefit from prescribing anything, and often my patients leave the consulting room with no prescription- just appropriate management advice. The opioid seekers don’t like that at all!) For the author, amitryptiline is used commonly in the pain arena in (doses too small for its antidepressant… Read more »

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In addition to Geritol there was also something in that same era called Hadacol or Hadacal. When it came time to name this elixir they hadda call it something so they called it Hadacol.

Daver
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Daver

Please do eventually ALL of the items you listed for potential future articles as many people are afflicted with each of them.

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D

I felt bad until I read this wonderful article. Now I feel much better — thanks!

(BTW, the notion of a diagnosis itself being a placebo is brilliant. I know of more than one case where it applies.)

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Interesting article, Doc. I have noticed varying degrees of response to placebo effect in my extended family (including myself), over the years. I have long suspected a link to depression which we are also afflicted with varying degrees. Another possible variable related to placebo might be hypochondria, since, I believe, there has been an established statistical correlation between depression and hypochondria. So I am looking forward to your article on depression. Good work!

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Thanks for the article. It’s a very thorough review of the placebo effect yet understandable to layman. I was a bit concerned when you started talking about pharmas trying to minimize the placebo effect. How could a pharma reasonably claim that its clinical trial population is representative of the public at large if they start cherry picking participants based on their affinity toward placebo treatment? They would have to convince me that the biological reason for that lack of affinity has no interactions with other metabolic pathways, some of which their treatment may be targeting. And they’d have to do… Read more »

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Gentlemen: the old saying “mind over matter” has been completely “overlooked” by the medical profession. Years ago I took a four day seminar with Silva Mind Control where we did psychic healing from a “distance”; and it worked! Over six million people worldwide took this course – it was “forced out of business in regard to the psychic healing aspect and forced to deal with just “habit control” why? Our country in cohorts with the medical profession in cohorts with the Pharmaceutical industry forced Silva Mind from teaching people “how to heal” – at a distance – not one on… Read more »

Mark Power
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The problem with the doctors I have encountered is that they seem to have an Ego that resides in BOTH hemispheres!

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Of interest is the opposite problem – all to rampant in academic medical land – and that is to attribute improvements in some condition entirely to placebo effect and to totally discount the possibility that some unconventional therapy had any contributing effect. The medical world totally discounted chiropractic care and acupuncture for decades as totally placebo and quackery (and some misinformed and badly deluded people still do). But even Harvard finally found that lots of well designed studies proved both of these therapies go well beyond placebo effect for many conditions like low back pain. Despite reams of evidence and… Read more »

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It has been proven that Chiropractic and Acupuncture are no better than Placebo, just not to Chiropractors or Acupuncturists.

John Harris
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I suggest you back up your claim with references instead of making claims based in the myths of past ignorance . And I suggest you tell that to Harvard Medical school which endorses chiropractic for low back pain, or to the VA which is adding chiropractic care throughout the VA hospital system, or to the many insurers who now mandate a trial of chiropractic care for non-specific low back pain prior to surgery because they know how much they save by so doing. The list of studies showing chiropractic effective for a number of conditions is long. Here are a… Read more »

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Matt Chambers
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If those alternative therapies are truly more effective than placebo, there is no reason that it can’t be shown with a double-blind clinical trial. If Harvard “finally found” that “lots of well designed studies proved” acupuncture and chiropracty to go well beyond placebo, then it must have been with a double-blind clinical trial. Otherwise the studies wouldn’t have been well-designed. Your statements about vitamin C are laughable unfortunately. Please don’t spread misinformation. Cite your sources, if you have any. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/779063

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I never said there were not double-blinded studies showing chiropractic effective. There are lots. I excerpted a few above and gave a link to lots more. I am less familiar with acupuncture but it is also accepted in much of the scientific community that once doubted, and I expect due to well done studies as well.

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As to your laughter at high dose intravenous Vit C check this out form Web MD which is hardly biased toward alternative therapies. http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20140205/intravenous-vitamin-c-may-boost-chemos-cancer-fighting-power?page=2 There is a good deal of history in using IV vit c as well for infections. http://www.riordanclinic.org/2014/high-dose-intravenous-vitamin-c-as-a-successful-treatment-of-viral-infections/ While I grant you that double blinded trials are missing, there are lots of case studies and case series showing effectiveness. And the method of action makes sense via the hydrogen peroxide pathway. This all should lead to good trials to test it but as in the case with vitamins no one will pay for it. All I know… Read more »

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I clicked on the WebMD link you provided and found this as part of it -“It is important to emphasize that many vitamin therapies have shown interesting results when applied to cancer cells in test tubes yet, to date, these approaches typically are not effective and occasionally prove harmful in human studies,” he said. “At this time, there is still no evidence that high-dose vitamin C should be part of the treatment for women with ovarian cancer.”

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Yes Web MD gave a doctor a chance to express reservations – being a balanced site but this was a person who doubted the value of Vit C for cancer – typical of the medical oncology world that tends to oppose anything other than cut and burn. What you did not bother to copy and add, which directly follows the part you copied above is the following from another doctor who is a bit more open minded: While she agreed that larger trials need to be conducted, Drisko was not as hesitant. “It’s safe. It’s inexpensive. There’s a plausible mechanism… Read more »

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Check out this article which suggests High dose vit C may help fight TB and even the antibiotic resistant strains. They are calling for human trials, not yet done, but in the lab Vit C killed all strains of TB and they posit a probable explanation. http://www.einstein.yu.edu/news/releases/907/study-finds-vitamin-c-can-kill-drug-resistant-tb/ Just because the double blinded clinical trial have not yet been done does not mean it is laughable. These researchers were surprised but are not laughing.

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by the way your citation on Medscape is useless for most of us that are not subscribers.

Rich
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Rich

Very well presented, and agrees well with observed behavior.
This information both predicts, provides a plan to test, and those tests have confirmed that the personal treatment in a credible setting in a professional manner results in actual benefit to the person seeking help regardless of direct drug activity, as well as that real physical attacks do require real medical treatment.

Michael Kilgus
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Michael Kilgus

Vitamin C and now this, I haven’t been reading you for long but it does throw me off.
Considering your interest the podcast on the effect on Radiolab is amazing:

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91539-placebo/

Mary Harris
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Mary Harris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev65KnPHVUk
Dr. Crum discusses this area in this video. She is from Harvard and will be teaching at Stanford.

mary
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mary

One of my co-workers had a pt. who complained of unrelieved severe pain no matter which pain med she was given. My co-worker finally became frustrated and gave her “the strongest pain med we have”… a red tic-tac. The pt was relieved of her pain and slept well that night. Everything was fine until she requested a rx from the doctor! As for someone indicating chiropractic adjustments relieving pain was due to the placebo effect: that is not my experience. I have intermittent low back pain: when it travels from my lower back & down my leg crossing over at… Read more »

Michael Jorrin,
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Michael Jorrin (aka Doc Gumshoe)

My take-away is that every bona fide treatment carries with it an element of the placebo effect, but also that the placebo effect itself is real, even when the treatment is not bona fide (meaning that it’s not in good faith), and is related to the effects of brain chemistry. Chiropractic and acupuncture are both bona fide treatments. I visited a chiropractor when my son Toby (whom Travis knows well) hit me in the knee with a baseball. I went down like a felled tree, hobbled to the chiropractor, and walked out erect. It was bona fide treatment, but there… Read more »

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mary
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mary

I agree…there is a some placebo effect to any treatment–bona fide or not.
The mind is so powerful; science has only a dim idea of the possibilities!

steven
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I can see how you can possibly argue that Acupuncture is placebo but how can you have a doubt about Chiropractic? If you have been to chiropractic, you know that it works really well.
When you have a disk issue and you have pain of 9-10 and can not sleep, it is not placebo if your pain goes down to 2.
Whoever says it is on the same level as placebo is probably promoting surgeries.

george.h
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george.h

No one mentions prayer as having a powerful placebo effect. I don’t have the gene for religion nor do I believe in god. Yet when I repeat the lord’s prayer in German and English as learned on my mother’s knee as a child (I learned the Latin and French versions later in grad school) I put myself to sleep quite easily. Even a prayer to an absent god has a placebo effect. And, as one can read in that excellent book Snake Oil Science (Bausell, 2007) , the mechanism has been identified (ch 9, “How we know the placebo effect… Read more »

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mary
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mary

Doc Gumshoe is not late—its just a topic that many find interesting. And God is not absent—he is answering your prayers! (If I knew how to do it I would put a big smiley face here…I am trying to make a smiley response here, not an argumentative one! LOL!!)

Pushpavati Amin
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Pushpavati Amin

Very interesting comment. As a meditation teacher and practitioner I would like to add that a prayer is a form of meditation. The mind is constantly being bombarded by 100’s of thoughts, conscious and unconscious. This creates stress that has a negative effect on the body and manifests in the form of “Dis-Ease”. The process of meditation is to reduce the number of thoughts as much as possible by focusing on something. It could be a prayer, or repeating a holy name, or simply focusing on the breath. It can be considered as a training of the mind. It helps… Read more »

arch1
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George Just idle musing…What would be the evolutionary advantage in creating something in the organism of man that promotes prayer?

JR
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JR

As a pharmacist, I can recall many instances of placebo successes and failures. In the past we could order empty capsules that matched the size and color of Phenaphen #3 (APAP and codeine) or Fiorinal #3 as well as muscle relaxers for examples. Nowadays, none of the placebo empty capsules are available and it is considered unethical to dispense placebo prescriptions. It has been years since I have been consulted about placebo treatments so I guess med schools have deemed them unethical too.

jomcintyre
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jomcintyre

It was interesting to learn that placebos also can have negative side effects. Here’s my placebo story: I’ve been deathly afraid of flying in airplanes. My daughter was deathly afraid of dentists. She loves flying and I’m not at all afraid of the dentist. She did an internet search for a homeopathic medication to conquer terror and found something that consisted of “flower essences” in an alcohol base. It worked for her! When we discussed my great fear of flying, she offered me a little bottle of her medicine. “I don’t know whether this is a placebo or not,” she… Read more »

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arch1
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JO please watch link on post#11 this thread. Mind/body is one organism with powerful effects on either. Perspective matters. You can make your mind over & become a new person.

jomcintyre
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jomcintyre

So right, frank! Great video – thanks Mary Harris. I have used the placebo effect on myself – many times. This validates research that shows that even when the pt knows s/he is receiving a placebo, s/he does receive some benefit. Once I heard on the radio about a healer (see post #18 below), and this one, too, said she could do it over the phone. A night or two later I awoke with a terrible pain in my arm. I recalled that conversation and performed “therapy” on my arm by kissing it. The pain disappeared. I chose that therapy… Read more »

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Gambini
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Gambini

Indeed, interesting article and comments. Could a placebo be effective when presented to a patient in psychosis? A placebo in the form of a “power of suggestion” got a great result in a case that my son was involved in. He had a patient that was admitted to the psychiatric ward in a major hospital with the belief that someone had “put a spell” on her to make her very ill. She was convinced that modern medicine available at the hospital would not save her. My son wanted to help and he may have violated protocol by the action he… Read more »

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hipockets
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Great article, Michael, as usual. Thank you.

thomasehealy
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thomasehealy

Some years ago, some wags did a skit on NPR “advertising” the Side Effects Drug Company – all their products had were side effects, no active ingredient. Sort of the opposite of placebos.

Rourke Decker
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The opposite of the placebo effect does indeed exist and is known as is the nocebo effect, which comes from the Latin meaning “I cause harm.”

Livia
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Livia

I already feel better after reading Michaels article, though when a friend first told me about Timeless You, I was hesitant. I didn’t think I’d have the time for it. After a few exercises, however, I was hooked. Deepak Chopra`s “Timeless You” is the best thing a experienced in several years. I recommend you take a look at http://bit.ly/deepakchopra2014 Peace!

Alan L.
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Alan L.

Gosh—How does one prescribe a placebo for oneself?

Opposeablethumb
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Only works if you also suffer from Alzheimer’s.

dggums
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dggums

I would like to hear what you think of the work being done by Compugen CGEN in immunotherapy and predictive medicine.

Thanks for doing such a wonderful job presenting technical medical information. It is excellent.

Doug G

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steve
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steve

I think your article brings out a very important point which is beginning to be recognized in research: there is a body/mind relationship, and it isn’t a one way street.

Get Straight
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Hello Micheal. Thank you for your post. That really educates me a lot!