Over time, I will try to collect past posts on these topics and collect them here. I’ll try to get the original posters and dates, although some are missing in this first post.
JIN SHIN JYUTSU POSTS BY REBS (formerly Roger)
Roger – At 87 I do Qigong, 8 brocades, Yang 10, 24, 48, 42, and old frame Chen, 24 sword and a bit of others about every other day. Also take walks (only about a mile per day). I give and receive hands on hour sessions in Jin Shin Jyutsu, a hands-on therapy using Asian medical system on a daily basis. Also do some breath work.
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In Jin Shin Jyutsu, a Japanese branch of traditional Chinese medicine, there is a simple way to alleviate migraines within minutes.
In JSJ migraines are recognized as being frontal headaches on one side of the head or the other.
For a right migraine, place a hand on the space between the outside right ankle and the Achilles’ tendon. (Actually one slides a finger or thumb lateral side of the Achilles’ tendon behind the external malleolus.) That place will be sore and painful when there is a migraine. The migraine will be relieved in a few minutes. I believe the theory is that the bladder and gall bladder energy flows go from the right side of the head to the space between the ankle and Achilles’ tendon. It is thought that because these flows make a right angle, there can be an impeding of the energy, and dissipating the swelling with energy can restore the path and end the pressure on the head. This treatment can be applied by one’s self as well as by others.
I admit that this treatment may make no sense in Western medicine, but I have noted that you are open minded (for example your acknowledgment of Sister Kenny and the unexplained benefits of hands-on therapy.)
I have done this twice and rapidly ended migraines.
For a left migraine, the corresponding spot is held on the exterior left space between ankle and Achilles’ tendon.
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I thought that when Nixon went to China we learned that Chinese Medicine could be useful. Chinese medicine attempts to get the body in harmony so that it can heal itself. I don’t personally like to be stuck with needles, but I have seen good results from acupuncture. Similarly, Jin Shin Jyutsu, that attempts similar treatment by moving energy past blocks seems effective. My wife was at a party when a cardiologist had a heart attack. As a Jin Shin Jyutsu teacher and practitioner, she grabbed the little and ring fingers in a scissor with her fingers. By the time the ambulance arrived, the Dr. was feeling well enough that he decided to stay at the party instead of going with the ambulance. It makes sense to me that since heart pain can travel through the left arm down to the little finger, that holding the little finger may send a message to the heart. Two major hospitals are now using Jin Shin Jyutsu to alleviate pain and find that patients who receive it after surgery are able to return home sooner.
Anyway, just as much of Western medicine relies on a placebo effect, Eastern medicine should be equally able to create a good placebo effect.
Please do not think I am suggesting that infants shouldn’t receive the normal vaccinations; I am not.
I do think it criminal when a child dies needing a transfusion, for example, because its parents prefer a religious alternative. Obviously, Western medicine is needful and nothing herein suggests that it be sidelined. Of course it is criminal to leave a child or dog in a car with windows closed in the heat of summer.
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There are pro and con research about whether religious prayers and secular wishes for healing are effective. Because of the Gummune’s, I hope they are but remain skeptical. I will tell you what I have learned as a layman about health over my 87 years.
This is not particularly a just world, and every day we hear of children, women, and men being killed, maimed, or subjected to slavery through war, collateral damage, left over mines and armament, and psychopaths. “Nobody gets out of life alive” (from Edna Ferber’s So Big). If there is a glorious afterlife, so be it. If there is nothing, so be it also. I don’t subscribe to the idea of everlasting burning in hell for not following any particular beliefs; conversely, I don’t expect that Christian baptism or Islamic martyrdom of themselves will get me into heaven. I had a heart stoppage from an attack caused by atrial arrhythmia and was resuscitated–unfortunately there was no bright light.
The most important thing is meeting whatever is happening with courage and humor. Besides the lives of Socrates, Jesus, Job, and various religious and medical martyrs, we have a couple modern writings: Tuesdays with Morrie by Mitch Albom and When Bad Things happen to Good People by Harold S. Kushner, Rabbi that are helpful.
The greatest source of spiritual strength comes from meditation, either religious or secular. By spiritual strength, I mean the ability to accept whatever fate brings. People close to the earth used drumming and dancing as meditation aids. Some orders of Sufis used the same as well as whirling to great effect to allow the mind and body to cure. Tai Chi, Qigong, and Yoga can also offer meditation. Repetition of sounds, such as OM or ONE or a mantra or a name of a god, or repeating prayers of mystical significance of every religion are popular effective meditative tools.
Hands on therapy, such as massage, Jin Shin Jyutsu, Reiki, acupressure and acupuncture can be wonderful healing aids and useful in pain relief, dealing with the aftermath of chemotherapy, giving comfort and shortening healing time. There are many wonderful, selfless, hardworking erudite physicians. But medicine is not pure science, it is an art, and medical judgments are made by human beings, who even with the best intentions, may be incorrect.
One must keep the faith and take responsibility for his own health and the health of his children, and meditate, exercise, maintain appropriate weight, fast some of the time, avoid sugar, and eat largely a vegetarian diet with probiotic food included, and enjoy meat as a condiment and take Vitamin D3 and magnesium. Remember, as Dr. KSS tells us, it wasn’t till recent times that Dr. Semmelweiss fought the medical profession in having Drs. wash their hands between surgeries and birthings. Early in American history doctors probably were responsible for the death of many who could ill afford to part with the blood from the common bloodletting treatment. Finally, it is really important to find a really good doctor.
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Dr., you probably are tired of my suggesting Asian medicinal techniques; however, I sit on my hands with little fingers on the ischial protuberances for 20 minutes a day and meditate by following my breathing or mentally chanting a mantra, prayer, or whatever. My weight at 87 is what it was in high school despite stresses in life and an enjoyment of good food with a glass of wine or beer. I have seen this technique work wonders with weight reduction groups who sit on their hands together, and I taught it to Tai Chi, Qigong groups on shipboard cruises (an avocation). It is a technique of Jin Shin Jyutsu, a hands-on Asian harmonizing art. In Asian therapy, one doesn’t heal, one sets the systems of the body in harmony so that the body can heal and regenerate itself.
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fenlin, Curcumin and cumin are not related; however, curcumin (tumeric) as well as cumin would go well in your chili.
After distressing muscle pains following the use of statins, I discontinued them and started using Costco curcumin. My cholesterol levels are maintained at a satisfactory level although the ratio between LDL and HDL is not as favorable. But, although it makes physicians pleased, it remains to be seen whether maintaining a substantial ratio between LDL and HDL improves longevity or the quality of life.
I mention Costco as my source because I read in a recent expose of bogus supplements that Costco was one of the few that came out as advertised rather than filled with garlic powder and other harmless ingredients.
I am 86 and had sextuple by-pass surgery about 25 years ago. I had both ventricular and atrial arrhythmia and elected not to use coumadin but use natto-kinase instead. I have had no arrhythmia episodes in the last year. My physician is not usually very happy with me, but I enjoy good health and mobility considering my age. I do take prescribed drugs to control blood pressure and maintain a good level. It probably helps that I am retired from a high pressure occupation and have a good caring wife.
I also do Tai Chi, Qigong, meditation, and self help Jin Shin Jyutsu (eastern hands on therapy somewhat related to acupuncture) daily.
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Since treatment of hemorrhoids has ben mentioned: In Jin Shin Jyutsu, (Asian energy medicine) hemorrhoids are treated (successfully in my experience) by placing one hand halfway between the ischial tuberosity and the anus on the side where the hemorrhoid is, and placing the other hand on the external knee, or the junction of fibula and tibia. I have held hand position for 20 minutes at night and the hemorrhoid discomfort was relieved the next morning.
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In my 86th year, I find I am lonesome for all my contemporaries who smoked, since almost without exception they are dead. I smoked pipes in college and cigars until I was 30.
Smoking is like being in combat, everyone assumes that he will survive and only other guys will be dead.
I quit because I when I finally realized that it was a precursor to cancer, heart disease, hypertension and diabetes, I wanted to be around to help my loved ones.
I did see a picture of a man smoking a pipe in China, who was purportedly over 100 years old. He did Tai Chi several times a day. I do Tai Chi, Qi Gong meditation, and self help Jin Shin Jyutsu, (Asian massage akin to acupuncture without needles) every day. I have natural hypertension and heart disease and a family of short livers. I lived a high stress life as a trial lawyer. I doubt I would be alive without my routine, and moderation in diet and alcohol consumption. I look younger than my age and am reasonably active and vigorous.
Alan, I wish only longevity, health, and good things for you.
Orpheusrog.
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I have heard of bone spurs dissolved. If the body can accumulate; it can also dissolve. I speak of Jin Shin Jyutsu a Japanese art based on Traditional Chinese Medicine. My wife is an RN and a JSJ practitioner and teacher, who has taught all over the world for over thirty years. Spurs in the back or knee can be dissolved by appropriate hands on therapy with greater success and a fraction of the cost of surgery. At any rate, there is very little to lose from giving JSJ a chance to dissolve bone spurs.
I suspect that the success of the surgeries is largely dependent on the efforts of the patient afterwards.
I would guess that there are Chinese therapies that work as well.
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Using Asian medicine, Jin Shin Jyutsu, for acid reflux hold the right hand on the right side below the margin at the base of the skull and the left hand under the left mid clavicle. It takes about 3 minutes to clear the bile in the bronchial tube and settle the stomach. It works for me; besides what do you have to lose?
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The discussion of the approach to medicine of treating something with pills that give some benefits but create greater problems, which one then treat with other pills causing more problems –and so ad infinitum–is fascinating.
All of us are apt to reject great ideas because they are proposed by people who are uncredentialed. Sister Kenny is a great example of the rejection of a great approach by someone outside of the fraternity.
Some suggest that George Washington was bled to death by medical treatment. The difficulty that Semmelweiss had in trying to convince obstetricians to wash their hands before delivering babies stands out as an example of the arrogance of some physicians in the rejection of common sense. (I’m not suggesting that the fault is unique to doctors.)
I realize that this is not a column regarding personal experience, testimonials or heath anecdotes but I cannot resist mentioning that, while I like and respect my family doctor, at age 85, I am willing to take my chances with some alternate medicine. I quit using statin drugs after bad muscular problems and substituted curcumin, which seems as effective in keeping cholesterol in comparable reduction. I rejected the suggestion of using coumadin and aspirin following a few episodes of atrial arrhythmia and have been using nattokinase. Having suffered hormonal imbalance from the use of one diuretic and gout from another, I am cautious about prescribed medicines.
I think the best health activities I do are aerobic exercises and daily Tai Chi the maintenance of moderate weight and some Asian hands-on therapy called Jin Shin Jyutsu, which is now being adopted in some hospitals where it is found effective in reducing pain and the time of hospital stay. I don’t know if the benefit is from the Traditional Chinese Medicine health approach or merely that humans thrive from personal touch, but anyway it seems to work well.
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On getting old. Am 85 with family of heart disease, diabetes and short lives. Do Tai Chi classes 3 xs per week and do a bit every day. Get hands-on therapy from Jin Shin Jyutsu daily. Take curcumin (tumeric) instead of statins, which caused muscle problems. Take natto-kinase instead of coumadin for avoiding strokes from very occasional atrial arrhythmia episodes. Take amiodarone. Retired lawyer who taught Tai Chi on shipboard in return for our traveling from age 70 to 81. Getting out of the high stress lawyering was best thing I ever did. Happy to have discovered Dr. KSS and the Dim Sum String comradery. Twice widowed and twice divorced. Happily married to someone I love and respect. Life is good, except for losing all of the people I grew up with. Have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, love them, but have emancipated myself from supporting people over 65.
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Author: Roger
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I would be happy to officiate or just participate in an over 70’s discussion group and offer self help hands on remedies using Jin Shin Jyutsu. For example I have a quick and simple daily immune flow and as a result of using it have had no colds for 3 years. Formerly I had frequent colds and even pneumonia. If there is an interest, we could approach Lynn and Travis.
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Reposting club house to here because it didn’t come through there:
Health Note from an 87 lively octogenarian: Most of the ills in America come from overeating and bad diet. We are omnivores, and most of us can tolerate a broad range of food, but cannot tolerate too much meat or shellfish. Avoid sugar and pure starch. It’s not hard to get along without sugar or sugar substitutes, but xylitol (birch sugar) having only a 5-carbon ring can be used when some added sweetness is felt necessary. Keep regular; I find that a couple of cups of coffee, magnesium, and a stool softener are sufficient to insure daily evacuation. Regularly exercise the stomach (I do crunches and stomach muscle rolls) and avoid getting a prominent gut. Keep the belt length below 40″ at the waist and preferably at high school size. Try to maintain weight comparable to high school days. Avoid one sided exercises (i.e. tennis, fencing because they distort the body). Many illnesses and health problems can be helped by a water-fast for one to three days, and I fast when necessary. The trick is to do so joyously without dolor. Do push ups and cobras leaning from 45 degrees against a table or wall, and half squats holding onto something. Do raises on you toes. Avoid elective surgery, and if you have to have it, go to the best hospital you can find, get a second opinion, and get an experienced surgeon. Stay out of hospitals and emergency rooms in general. Get out of the hospital as soon as possible even if the medications per os are more expensive than per drips or shots. Learn to meditate; do consciousness breathing. Sit on your hands to regulate hunger craving (per one of my earlier letters). Learn simple self-help hands on techniques (I use Jin Shin Jyutsu) to avoid colds, evacuate kidney and gall stones, ameliorate headaches and migraines, emergency angina or heart attacks when digitalis or whiskey are unavailable (after calling 911 or whoever), alleviate morning back pain, stop superficial bleeding, burns, avoid stitches, alleviate or avoid paralysis after a stroke, retrain neural pathways, dissolve bone spurs and tissue accumulations, among other things. Do modest aerobic and strength exercises. Do TaiChi/Qigong, or Yoga regularly and take walks. Limit alcohol to 1 oz per day. No smoking! Love someone and be loved. Happy sexual activity is desirable. Use your mind as much as possible and if you find memory not as acute, that’s what computers are for. Read. Spend time doing real things and not being involved in spectator sports, television, etc. unless you are supporting athletes and actors whom you know. Accept challenge but avoid stress you can’t handle. For example, Lou Gehrig had an incredibly stressful life and challenge. That means don’t measure your success against your neighbors’, don’t try to impress anybody, have no serious regrets nor expectations, and don’t take risks that keep you awake at night. (I keep 15% to 40% of my brokerage account in cash and would never mortgage myself by margin.) Don’t buy on credit (except a home). Don’t borrow and worry about payments and margin calls. Pay at least enough income tax to keep from being audited if possible. Smell the roses. Make life beautiful! It’s all simple and common sense; but it takes knowledge and practice to do it all graciously, joyously and without any resentment, and unfortunately will power may not be enough. My kids always shrug it off with: Who wants to live so long? Some people may be born with such knowledge; whatever I have was dearly paid for after many mistakes and ills.
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Author: Roger
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A few have commented that you like Jin Shin Jyutsu hands-on tips. If there is a demand, I would post one per day to the clubhouse. For example, for angina or heart attack if one has forgotten his nitro and has no alcoholic drink to dilate blood vessels, after calling 911, if appropriate, hold the left little finger and ring finger with the right hand palms facing, by inserting right index finger between left little and ring finger and scissoring left little and ring fingers with right thumb and middle finger. Hold till angina or heart attack stops. Can be done for self or another. It works. If there is someone else present, he can hold the victim’s big toes at the base. At one party my wife attended, when the victim had a heart attack, this technique was used and by the time the ambulance arrived, the victim had recovered and decided to stay and enjoy the party. Please use thumbs up or down to indicate whether these kind of tips would be interesting. (Never had a thumbs down, but if I did, I would take it as a learning experience of what others wanted and harbor no animus nor sense of rejection.)
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Immune flow: Prevents and helps conditions like colds, sore throats and many more:
Hold each position for about 60 heart beats or a minute.
1. Rt. hand on L (shoulder next to neck and back) and Lft hand (same side) back above the hip bone and below the lowest rib.
2. Lft hand top of L thigh at origin of quadricepts muscle.
3. Rt hand on sole of left foot. (I usually sit up to do this flow and bend my left foot under my right leg so that it is possible to reach the sole of the left foot.
Do same for other shoulder and leg. Note that you are working with same side of body and leg in each of these flows.
Used to have colds and flu often, but do this little flow every day and have had none for about four years.
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JSJ Note: For sciatic discomfort there are various involved flows a practitioner may use, but there is a simple self-help remedy that can be effective. When people told me they would like to take my TaiChi class but had sciatic pain (used to be described as lumbago) I have suggested they take 10 minutes doing the self help and have then had people feeling good enough to take the class. I. For left side sciatic pain, 1) place the right hand on the inner part of the left knee at the place the femur and tibia meet. 2) Place the left hand over the hurting place at the sciatica. 3) After about five minutes, leaving the left hand on the sciatica, move the right hand to hold the left shoulder next to the neck as far down the back as possible. Repeat if necessary. In Jin Shin Jyutsu, the inner knee is called the Safety Energy Lock #1, the sciatic at the crest of the hip is called the Safety Energy Lock #2, and the place below the shoulder on the back is called the Safety Energy Lock #3. For right side sciatic discomfort reverse hands and side.
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The self help 1, 2, 3 might work at least temporarily to provide some relief if done on both sides. I don’t know where you live, but you can call Terry at the Jin Shin Jyutsu, Inc. office in Scottsdale at 480-998-9331 and get the names of any qualified practitioners in your area. You could write me through Lynn if I can be of any help. I don’t think anybody-even a fine physician-can diagnose and treat without a full history and without examining the client.
Dave, the only thing I charge for is legal advice, and I would feel that any commercial activity by anyone through discussions on the Gumshoe network would be a betrayal of Travis and Dr. KSS. Besides some things a man should do for money but the rest he should do for love and keep the difference between them straight.
I write of my experiences, but only a complete fool or charlatan would offer the little 1,2,3 self help as a panacea for all back pain. I have studied Jin Shin Jyutsu for many years now, but I have never been a professional practitioner, never wanted to be. Any hands on I do is without compensation.
I know all of us commiserate; back pain is no fun. Although I, like most of us, have had back pain with age, I have been lucky and mine responded to hand’s on treatment.
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Posted self help for sciatic pain on Clubhouse. Tomorrow and Monday I will give adventures with Fingers and Toes and helping someone with brain or neural damage and how it is done. Thereafter I plan methods of avoiding jet lag, repeat of dealing quickly with migraines, dealing with other headaches, staunching bleeding in wounds, dealing with minor burns, weight management made easy, sore throats, dental pain, facilitating elimination and more so long as you like them. If not, let me know, and my feelings can handle it. It’s more wanting to give something back rather than generate accolades.
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Opposite fingers and toes are a simple technique that helps almost everything and can be done by friends and family members for daily maintenance, for helping with illness, and for helping neural pathways. During my later 70s, I was teaching Tai Chi and Qigong on shipboard in return for free passage for my wife and me. We went on a four month plus trip, circumnavigating South America, visiting Antarctica, South Georgia Island, the Falklands, a couple of islands in the Caribbean, and stopping at various Italian, Greek, Spanish, French ports on the Mediterranean and Aegean, and Turkish ports as well as some ports on the Black Sea. My wife and I both got nor virus or something comparable, and hers was bad enough so that the ship’s physicians felt she needed to go off ship for management, especially since we were headed South along the South American coastal and then through the Straits of Magellan–where medical facilities would be more primitive. We went by ambulance to a clinic in Valparaiso, Chile, and I set up a bed in her room. The physician was good, some of the nurses were dedicated, and she got continuous IVs and antibiotics. I did nursing, encouraging, and being a patient’s advocate. She was so sick that the only Jin Shin Jyutsu she could tolerate was opposite fingers and toes (full description about that in the next letter.) I got her out of the clinic as soon as she was able to walk, almost a week and a half later. We took a taxi to the Santiago Airport, and the next morning I half carried her to the weekly plane which flew to Punta Arenas at the most southern tip of Chile, where we waited a couple of days until our ship arrived. The passengers and staff hugged us almost to death. Later when I was a student in some of the 5 days Jin Shin Jyutsu classes my wife taught in Europe and the USA, she said that “opposite fingers and toes” was very powerful, and she believed that I had saved her life doing it.
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Author: Roger
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This is the second promised letter about fingers and toes. For about 40 years I represented a former successful mid-western farmer who had emigrated to my City, in business and property acquisition, estate planning, and even a successful criminal defense of a black sheep son.. He came to me as a friend advising that his childhood bride, who had borne him nine children, was about to be discharged from a rehabilitation center because the center felt there was no further progress going to happen. She had been admitted after a stroke and hospitalization and was now about a year post stroke. She was still bedridden. My wife and I went to see her in the rehabilitation center in City about an hour away. Her daughters were present too. My wife performed and showed the daughters how to do opposite fingers and toes. The daughters then arranged to do it twice a day. The client’s wife made health progress, lived another couple of years and was ambulatory and rational. when we visited both of them in a nursing home. The client wanted to compensate us, but I pointed out that the only services for which I charged money was the practice of law, and my wife, who was volunteering at my request, felt she could not morally accept anything.
Holding opposite fingers and toes is performed as follows: A friend or spouse holds simultaneously for about one minute each: Left little toe and right thumb, left ring toe and right index finger, left middle toe and right middle finger, left index toe and right ring finger, left big toe and right little finger. Then right little toe and left thumb, right ring toe and left index finger, right middle toe and left middle finger, right index toe and left ring finger, and finally right big toe and left little finger. Altogether it takes about ten minutes. There is no objection to holding each finger and toe for a couple of minutes for that matter and the order of hands and feet and is not important, so long as the correct finger and opposite toe on the opposite foot are held simultaneously. I do it in the same order each time so that I will remember.
I leave to you physicians and neurologists the contemplation of why this practice may be effective. I have various theories, but how it works is not as important as that it does frequently make a difference.
Tomorrow about sitting on hands.
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John I really am inadequate and have no special medical training, but I will change my planned post for tomorrow for a position of flow that is purported to prevent permanent injury if done immediately after a stroke and to ameliorate it otherwise. Unfortunately when I was around those who had strokes, I did not know Jin Shin Jyutsu and the only help I could give was recognizing the problem and getting an immediate ambulance, and I felt so inadequate. There is one flow for each side, but more of that later. I will pass the information on but do not want to give anyone any false hopes. None the less, I think the hands on position is useful. Opposite fingers and toes really is best done by another for you; the flow I will describe can be done for yourself when you are again in possession of your faculties. In any event, I cannot see how the flow can cause any damage. I would be concerned that all JSJ is placebo except that I have seen big changes in babies and animals who probably don’t have any expectations of being helped. By the way, if you are present when someone is getting a stroke the first thing to do is get an ambulance there immediately.
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For a possible stroke victim, call immediately for emergency help, usually an ambulance with a medical tech, and a race to the emergency room (911 in the United States). It is important not to wait until you are sure the victim is having a stroke; if there is a possible stroke, call immediately because for blood clot stroke victims there is a short opportunity to administer medication to dissolve the clot and avoid greater permanent damage. While waiting for the ambulance to arrive, you may do what is the first step of a Jin Shin Jyutsu flow. Left hemispheric stroke is more common and perhaps more serious.
For left hemisphere brain injury or cerebral vascular accident, which will be generally accompanied by right side paralysis, you hold the victim’s Left Safety Energy Lock 16 and the Left little toe. A chart of the Safety Energy Locks was posted above by SoGiAm, copied from a good book”The Touch of Healing”, but if you go on line and ask for charts of Jin Shin Jyutsu Safety Energy Locks, you will find several larger good ones. (I hesitate to print any because I do not want to create any risk of copyright violation for Stock Gumshoe.) The left Safety Energy Lock 16 lies between the outer left ankle bone and the Achilles tendon. For right hemisphere brain problems resulting in left side paralysis, do the same thing on the Rt. foot. If possible, the technique should be continued as long as it does not interfere with medical care.
The opposite fingers and toes I posted yesterday are more commonly used for older stoke injuries. The left 16 left little toe flow is more for immediate application after stroke. These are adjuncts and not substitutes for appropriate immediate emergency medical care! At the risk of being repetitive: if a stroke is suspected, one should not wait to call for an ambulance. It is many times worse not to get emergency help for a possible stroke immediately when it is needed than to be mistaken and call for it when it turns out not to be needed.
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Sitting on the hands is done for weight harmonization and will help one achieve his ideal weight . It also considered a rejuvenation flow in Jin Shin Jyutsu. I find it has other mood benefits, but I do not want to make extravagant claims based on personal experience. It is usually done for weight reduction but I was taught that it could result in weight gain for those who needed it.
Several years ago my wife at the request of a corpulent lady discussed sitting on hands. The lady established a group that would sit together on their hands regularly.
When my wife saw the same lady a year later, now svelte and attractive, she asked if she had been on a diet. She said, ”Are you kidding, I’m Italian. We all had big meals on Christmas and New Years and for the holidays. All I did was sit on my hands.” In fact the whole club benefited.
Sitting on the hands for weight harmonization and regulation are done as follows simultaneously on both sides: With palms up place the little finger on the ischium or sitzbone, the middle finger on the crease between the back of the thigh and rump, the second finger forward on the back of the thigh, and hold the thumb at right angles to the palm vertically on the thigh. Sit for twenty minutes. If someone cannot sit with palms up, sitting with palms down is the next best thing.
I personally do it when I wake up at night, as old men tend to do. I sit on my hands in bed leaning against the backboard and do various forms of meditation . I now wear size 36 pants. My weight has over a few years come down to what it was during my high school and college years, although admittedly more of it was youthful muscle then. Sitting on my hands worked for me.
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I haven’t offered more Jin Shin Jyutsu self help aids because I am getting the feeling that nobody really cares much about it. However, I will offer one more. To avoid jet-lag, hold each finger at the base for one minute as you go through each new time zone. I consider that each finger is composed of a tip, a middle, and a base (where it is attached to the hand). My wife and I have gone half way around the world by flight and have avoided jet-lag by this technique. Next tip will be what to do for acid reflux if there is no bicarb or other base medicine in the house.
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Not Jin Shin Jyutsu but Qigong: To keep the typanic membranes soft, flexible, and responsive, insert forefingers in each ear and withdraw quickly (making a pressure change).
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Are you sitting on a soft surface when you sit on your hands. Palms up and middle finger on the crease between the behind and thigh? I suppose it could be painful if you do it on rocks or plywood, but if you are sitting in bed with your back against the backboard or upon an upholstered cushioned chair, I can’t imagine anything that can cause pain. It’s so simple, I can’t imagine a diagram. Sounds as if your weight is pretty harmonious. It should also quietly rejuvenate. If you advise what city you live in and what borough or county, I can give you the name of someone who could show you, if you still have difficulty. We do have lots of friends in many places.
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Holding your high ones (inner thighs half way up leg) can be used in two ways and can be self administered or done by a third party:
1. It will cause you to cough up anything stuck in the throat or breathing and can be used as an alternative to a Heimlich maneuver if there is no one to apply it or if subject has ribs that would be hurt. Works well.
2. It will help with stimulating elimination. You may have to hold it for a few minutes.
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Author: REBS
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To stimulate thyroid and hyperthyroid, tap to each side of the adam’s apple 1en times per day. Roger
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Author: REBS
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John, I too wear hearing aids. I think that once the cilia are gone, they’re gone. Keep the wax our with olive oil or hydrogen peroxide in appropriate strength. Don’t injure the drums with q-tips or other objects. So far all the cures I have read are scams. Of course, good nutrition and health may help prevent further damage. Do balance exercises to retain inner ear balance. I use Hi Innovations from my medicare. I have used expensive aids, and it didn’t seem to make much difference in so far as crowds and bumper noise loud music in restaurants were concerned. Have you found any hearing aids that really are superior?
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Author: REBS
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Thanks John. I had heard about hopes to grow ciliae but had’n’t heard of much development. I bought Hi Innovations, under $1000 through my Medicare. I checked with Costco and the audiologist didn’t think the Costco hearing aids would do any better than the ones I had. The Hi Innovations worked as well as my $6,000 Widex ones. I will try to get Costco to let me try some out. By the way, keeping the tympanic membrane flexible by suction is important and my Dr. of Audiology was impressed by mine or 87 years of age. If you hear of something better let me know. Sometimes people who love you are kind when you can’t understand, but sometimes not. People don’t understand that it is not loudness that helps, just careful diction. Companies keep bragging of special directional selection, but I have yet to notice anything that really cuts out loud restaurant acoustics.
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Jin Shin Jyutsu aid to passing kidney stones: Place left hand on right shoulder between neck and shoulder point (in JSJ diagram on your Safety Energy Lock 11), and place your right hand on the line between rump and thigh (in JSJ diagram on your right Safety Energy Lock 25). Hold until stone passes (I’ve heard that it sometimes takes 20 minutes or an hour). Google for diagrams of JSJ safety energy locks. In the anecdote I heard, a practitioner was holding client’s safety energy locks. My sympathy, I’ve heard it’s very painful. My doctor friend used demerol to help him. If I’m being presumptuous in mentioning it, my apologies.
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Author: REBS
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I have tips here and in last few regular threads. When I had to put clients with emotional problems or personality disorders on the stand, I would run the stairs with them and then sit down and do deep breathing together before going to court. More than once in domestic matters they were cross examined about whether they had taken any calming drugs before testimony. If there are any particular projects you have, I will try to respond with any Jin Shin Jyutsu help I know of. JSJ like most Asian medicine, seeks to establish harmony so that the body can heal itself. I remember talking to a fine ER doctor who said that what he learned about skin in medical school was that if it protruded you cut it off, if it was indented you pulled it out, if it was wet, you dried it, and if was dry, you wet it. JSJ would look to stomach flow primarily for skin problems and spleen flow for infection and bring appropriate energy
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Author: ed_walker
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If your doctor agrees, try less invasive options first. A simple one that has helped some avoid knee replacement surgery is simply consuming gelatin. This was first mentioned to me by my friend, a neurosurgeon very familiar with joint issues. After researching I found some interesting info. Here’s a review from Amazon:
12/21/2010: Ken from Henderson, NV, Usa: ”My experience.. Back around
1985 my knees had to be replaced. The cartilage had worn away, and jagged bone was scraping on bone. Best known Dr. in Boston, MA took xrays. (BRUINS & CELTICS DR. ) both I and my wife saw the xrays. Got a 2nd opinion from specialist in Lowell, MA. Same diagnosis same xrays.
Looked very bad.
I COULD HARDLY WALK UP STAIRS AT all, Knees hurt so bad. No tennis, racketball, waterskiing, skating, no nothing. Bone against bone in both knees. Went home and on line found a study being done at Harvard Univ. They gave ground up chicken cartilage to patients about to get knee replacements. They reported amazing reversal of knee problems.
It took about 2 months for some pain to go away… I started taking 4 packets of KNOX GELATIN in orange juice every day. After 60 days I saw improvement starting. At six months I could climb stairs and run around with a frisbee with my kids. At one year I felt back to normal. About ten years ago I fell on my shoulder and it was xrayed in Winchester, MA. I told the doctor about my knee problem, he asked if he could xray my knees, and he did. HE POINTED OUT TO ME ALL THE WHITE CARTILEDGE IN MY KNEE JOINTS. He stated emphatically that I never had a knee problem in my knees.
I am now almost 70 and my knees are perfect. I know people who suffered with knee pain and Knox gelatin made their pain go away. I still take one packet every week or two. I actually told Knox about how it affected my knees, but they weren’t interested. (I know there is a lot of money made with knee surgery today. ) So basic it’s hard to believe. If I can help one person I’ll be very happy….. Please try it. It is practically free (the Knox is so cheap at the food store). I am no doctor, but I have great knees. Also if you have used Knox let me know how it worked for you. MAYBE WE CAN HELP SOME OTHERS……. KEN” I am now 71, and my knees are still perfect. many have done this world-wide .
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Author: boldlygo
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Tom: Had stem cell injection in right knee about 15 months ago. Am very pleased with result. I had tried cortisone, hyaluronic acid, acupuncture, then considered knee replacement. Researched and tried stem cell shot (am a gambler). Cartilage growth is about 1 mm at best, but some unknown mechanism is at play, it appears. I walk about 2 miles each day; if not, I experience mild ”discomfort” in the knee.
My doc in SLC (am in CO) harvested stem cells from hip bone marrow and fat (had plenty enough), plus platelets. Insurance did not cover (experimental procedure), but Dr. KSS’s biotech $$ did.
My doc also advised using testosterone cream during recovery, and you being a young pup may find it stimulating as well.
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Author: arch1
Comment:
Joe I get mine at a farm supply store. You might check the horse/tack section.
Link shows the stuff i get from a different supplier. Very pure and has less undesirable taste and odor. I use very little after thorough skin rinse. If it works for you , more does not seem to make better.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/dmso-16-fl-oz
Amazon has several options at higher price Google brings up lots for sale
I boil chicken bones or use pressure cooker to extract gelatin/collagen as it seems there is something else in that you don’t get with beef {Knox} gelatin. Always use in conjunction with citric acid/orange juice,calcium Citracal has both citric and calcium, and magnesium for max effect. Gelatin by itself does not work for me. Maybe Grandma was right about chicken soup.
🙂 May all be placebo but horses heal faster from acute stage of injury when used
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Author: fstelson
Comment:
I first was exposed to the use of alpha hydroxyproline, a special amino acid found in gelatin, to help with osteoarthritis of the hip 30 years ago by the German orthopedist who first diagnosed this for me. My left hip is extremely malformed, and likely has been so since early childhood, but did not give me much pain despite high activity levels and really enormous burdens placed on it lifting weights. The alpha hydroxy proline seemed helpful as did other cartilage derivatives. When I returned to the US I could not then find such products. I came up with the idea of consuming unnflavored gelatin in large amounts, usuall a package a day dissolved in coffee , which I have now done most of the time for 30 years. I have recommended this to some patients with osteoarthritis as an inexpensive and benign therapy and have had some good reports. I have developed the plausiblee hypothesis that somethIng in gelatine/cartilage, perhaps this amino acid unique to cartilage, inhibits chondroclasts, the cells which destroy cartilage in cartilage remodeling. This would be a kind of negative feedback control which normally would inhibit overactivity of these cells by giving the ”message” that too much cartilage had already been destroyed. The equilibrium would then favor the relative activity of chondroblasts, which form new cartillage. Probably consuming gelatin also assures that the nutritive elements needed for new cartilage synthesis are also likely to be available. Anyway, if it is a placebo, it is usually harmless.
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Author: greenfire67
Comment:
Ohh dam. I eat the hell out of centrum silver. 2 a day, sometimes three when I’m feeling beat down. All references related to such research would be much appreciated
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7.9.17
Roger
Re vitamins and supplements also in accord with my recollections of Dr. KSS’s comments:
One of the greatest triumphs of marketing over evidence was the incredible rise of vitamin supplement use in the 20th century. Supplement makers successfully created a “health halo” around vitamins, and taking your vitamins became a virtue, something mothers told their children to do. The evidence, however, does not tell such a simple story.
In recent years it has become increasingly apparent that there are unintended consequences to taking vitamin supplements, and in fact there may be a net negative health effect. This is especially true for those who are healthy and don’t need vitamins, and for those who exceed the recommend dosages.
A recent review of the last 20 years of literature on the subject, presented at the American Association for Cancer Research 2015 meeting, found an overall increased risk of cancer among vitamin users. Dr. Tim Byers presented the study, which echoes the result of a 2012 review that he and others published. He specifically refers to two famous studies showing an increased risk of cancer from vitamins.
The 2011 SELECT trial found an overall increased risk of prostate cancer among men taking vitamin E.
It has also been shown, first in a 1994 NEJM study, that high doses of beta carotene increase the risk of lung cancer in smokers and those exposed to asbestos.
In fact, antioxidants in general lack evidence for an overall health benefit and in high doses may increase cancer and overall mortality.
Folic acid and cancer risk is a more complex topic. There is evidence that taking folate reduces the risk of breast and possibly colon cancer. There is a “U” shaped relationship between dose and cancer risk, however:
Women with daily dietary folate intake between 153 and 400 μg showed a significant reduced breast cancer risk compared with those 400 μg.
There is preliminary evidence that higher doses of folate may increase cancer risk.
There are several possible mechanisms by which excess vitamin intake may promote cancer. Cancer cells are metabolically very active. Taking more vitamins than is necessary for healthy cells may only serve to feed cancerous cells, promoting their growth. Elevated levels of vitamins, exceeding what the body need for normal metabolism, may also result in the creation of alternate downstream metabolites that have negative health consequences. Further, taking megadoses of a vitamin may alter the body’s natural homeostasis with negative consequence. This is likely true with antioxidants – oxidative compounds are used by the immune system and act as signals for the creation of protective proteins. There is a balance between oxidants and anti-oxidants, and shifting that balance is not beneficial.
There are also possible unintended consequences. The evidence is fairly clear that having a healthful and well-rounded diet has health benefits. Taking vitamins does not replace having a good diet. However, taking vitamins may lead to a false sense of security, justifying a less healthful diet with net negative health consequences.
Conclusion
Dr. Byers gave a reasonable summation of the evidence:
This is not to say that people need to be afraid of taking vitamins and minerals. If taken at the correct dosage multivitamins can be good for you. But there is no substitute for good food.
My reading of the evidence leads to several specific recommendations:
Do not use vitamins as a substitute for an overall healthful diet. Try to get your vitamins and minerals through a well-rounded diet with sufficient fruits and vegetables.
Routine supplementation in healthy individuals is unnecessary.
Do not take megadoses or even exceed recommended doses of vitamins or minerals. The evidence suggests this can be harmful.
Targeted supplementation of specific vitamins at correct doses in specific individuals or populations can be beneficial.
For targeted supplementation (such as folic acid in women of child-bearing age) follow accepted guidelines, or the advice of your physician. Often physicians will directly measure the blood level of specific vitamins and supplement accordingly.
Perhaps the greatest harm of the supplement industry over the last half-century has been the cultivation of the idea that vitamin and mineral supplements are harmless, that if some is good then more is better, and that the public can determine their own supplement needs based on industry marketing and magazine articles (and now websites).
It turns out that none of these assumptions are true. There is a risk to excess vitamin use. Determining who should receive what dose of which vitamin is also a bit complex and nuanced, and perhaps a little professional guidance is in order. It’s quite possible that vitamin supplement use, in addition to costing billions of dollar per year, has been a net health negative. We can save money and ensure that it is a net health positive with more rational and evidence-based supplementation.
Posted in: Herbs & Supplements, Nutrition Tagged in: antioxidants, beta-carotene, cancer, Diet, dietary supplements, folic acid, iron supplements, minerals, vitamins
Posted by Steven Novella
Founder and currently Executive Editor of Science-Based Medicine Steven Novella, MD is an academic clinical neurologist at the Yale University School of Medicine. He is also the president and co-founder of the New England Skeptical Society, the host and producer of the popular weekly science podcast, The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe, and the author of the NeuroLogicaBlog, a daily blog that covers news and issues in neuroscience, but also general science, scientific skepticism, philosophy of science, critical thinking, and the intersection of science with the media and society. Dr. Novella also contributes every Sunday to The Rogues Gallery, the official blog of the SGU.
Author: mvssysprog
Comment:
Roger, I do agree with you about the use of megadoses of vitamins and minerals, but with respect, Indian Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) have both been around for about 5,000 years (if the documentation on the web is accurate) and are plant and herb-based. I am wary of lumping Ayurveda and TCM into this category of concern. I believe a number of drugs that the pharmaceuticals have developed came from these two forms of regional medicine.
And one more point before I explain why… I agree with you and Dr. KSS about many of the supplement makers engaging in fraud, or not following established procedures to ensure the accuracy and purity of what they sell. Having said that.. let me explain my experience with TCM and why I cannot lump them into Dr. Byers’ category.
I realize this is anecdotal, but back in 1998, I had been diagnosed with a protuberance of my c-2 disk. I was in agony, and the doctor prescribed steroids and pain killers. After a week, I was still in a great deal of pain. One of the gentlemen in my church recommended that I go see his acupuncturist and I did… He was trained in TCM and acupuncture in China, but did not have his license at the time to practice medicine, but he was a licensed accupuncturist. After about 15 minutes of feeling my pulse and other observations, he had me lay on my stomach on the table and applied over 20 needles in various parts of my head, neck shoulders and back. Within minutes, the pain disappeared. There was no tens unit or any electrical charge applied like we see nowadays. After removing the needles (after about 15 minutes), he told me that I should be pain free for about 3-4 hours, and I was. I continued to go to him every day for the next 5 days, until the pain was manageable and the disk shrunk enough from the steroids.
I realize that what I mentioned is not herbal or vitamins, so I’d like to mention another situation where I resorted to TCM to relieve extreme discomfort. Years earlier, I was in San Francisco, attending an IBM software class. Prior to my going, I started getting upset stomachs and nausea that really didn’t go away, regardless of how much pepto-bismol I took. After two days (of a 5 day class), I couldn’t keep food down. I went to the physician that the IBM site recommended and he told me to keep taking pepto bismol. It didn’t relieve my nausea though. One of the guys in my class was chinese, and recommended that I see his physician (TCM trained). he called ahead and explained the situation and they told me to come just before they close that day. I went over and the doctor spent 15 minute or more watching me breathe, feeling my pulse, and marking things down that he apparently observed. Based on his observation, he prescribed a number of herbs, gave me 5 bags of it, and actually brewed an additional bag for me there. It truly stunk, but when i drank it, within minutes the nausea disappeared. I was to take the bag of herbs and boil the contents with a cup of water every morning . While at the hotel, I was able to get a boiling cup of water add the herbs and sift the debris out before I drank it. I was nausea free for the rest of the class and for the next couple of days when I got home.
Please forgive the length of this post, Roger. My only point is that I am unwilling to lump all forms of herbs, nutrients, etc. into the bucket that Dr. Byers is talking about. With absolutely no intention to disparage anything that Dr. Byers was saying, I am reminded by Hamlet’s quote: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Respectfully submitted….Dave
Author: Roger
Comment:
Dave. Posted the article re vitamins and supplements but make no claim to any expertise but pretty much agree with Dr. KSS’s assessment.
Personally I practice and receive Jin Shin Jyutsu hands on therapy, and do Qigong, Tai Chi, meditation (Sufi), water fasts, stretching, moderate exercise on a regular basis. Could give many anecdotes, but accept Dr. KSS in his maintaining that the plural of anecdote is not data. I used meditation in law practice with many clients before their testimony. I successfully defended a professional before a state board using experts to prove that acupuncture was of benefit. I use tumeric, nattokinase, magnesium, D3, a stool softener, Vit C, daily and don’t use NSAIDS, sugar, opioids, sugar, or corn syrup. Drink in moderation. Don’t smoke. Enjoy coffee and tea.
Family members practice and teach Jin Shin Jyutsu. Stepson is a professional acupunturist accepted in VA Hospitals. Other family member has brought Jin Shin Jutsu treatment on the floors of two major hospitals.
I acknowledge that lay opinions in medical procedures are based on hugely less information than opinions of physicians who spent years in medical school and specialtry training and practice, and treat conscientious knowedgeable experts opinions with great respect. Family with a few M.D.s.
DaMo or Bodhi Dharma is reputed to have brought martial arts exercises to Shaolin in China from India,and any respect for Eastern medicine must include Ayurvedics.
7/10/17
Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
The commonest capricious mutation occurring in nature is the accidental guanine-for-cytosine substitution. Coffee helps prevent it. Really.
Author: hedy1234
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$STATINS
COQ-10 can help with statin symptoms.
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Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
Yes, true, it can, especially in ubiquinol form, not ubiquinone. But two caveats: first, no large clinical trial has ever examined this approach for statistical efficacy (and that’s because pharma denies that statins cause any problems). Second, for dyed-in-the-wool statin intolerance, and I am speaking here mainly of myalgia, don’t count on CoQ to make a cardinal difference. If you’re gonna take CoQ, take it in the am, as it can jazz you up a bit and cause insomnia.
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Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
Remember that magnesium supplementation we’re always talking about? Well, recent evidence shows that magnesium binds to and blocks a binding globulin that serum testosterone usually sticks to. When testosterone binds to this globulin, it’s not available to stimulate testosterone receptors that drive male function. Bottom line: full regular supplementation with magnesium can boost libido in men by up to about 25 percent because of the resultant rise in free testosterone.
We’ve got you covered at Stock Gumshoe.
#Magnesium Supplemention – Thank you JohnM.. Best2You
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Author: glennwarren
Comment:
$Mg SUPPLEMENTS. Doc, please help. The capsule sizes are all over the place. If I was going to try a glycinate plus a threonate, what mg sizes am I looking for?
Author: rusty15
Comment:
$mg supplements Maybe just me but I’ll never take $mg again. The gas, bloating and other undesirable side effects not worth whatever benefit there might be (and yes I tried every type of it out there).
Author: linling88
Comment:
$MG
Not all magnesium supplements come in the same chemical forms. That is why Doc advised using the “magnesium chelate”- either in the form of glycinate or the threonate, but not both.
I take 2 x 200mg per day for extra needs. Without it, I would have leg cramps while jogging or phantom pain while sleeping. Weird how fast magnesium could resolve these problems – almost instantaneously.
/Helen
Author: johnboyy2g
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Try soaking in Epsom salt, it is very absorable form of Mg, don’t take internally unless you want to live on a porcelain throne.
Author: johnboyy2g
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I take Mg Citrate which is cheap and absorable.
Author: linling88
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$MG
Doc can correct me if I am wrong on this: my experience, also the general understanding, is that you would experience less side effects (i.e., diarrhea) with chelated magnesium without compromising its absorption.
Author: mvssysprog
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$MG
I take 4 – 100mg Mg tablets spread out over the day – 100 mg Magnesium-L-Threonate in the morning and lunch, and 100mg Mg Citrate tablets at dinner and at night. Since doing this, my leg cramps have disappeared. But also, there is documentation from what I would perceive is a reputable source – WebMD, that may have a positive effect on the brain and memory.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20100127/magnesium-may-improve-memory
From what I have read, men should take 400mg/day of a chelated form of Magnesium. As our good Dr. has stated, Mg Threonate is chelated but Magnesium Citrate is not a chelated form, but it is readily absorbable.
I can’t speak to whether my memory is any better or worse, but if nothing else – no more night leg cramps.
With respect to the comment the effect of Mg on your digestive tract (diarrhea), I have not run into that problem as long as I spread out the Mg tablets during the day,
Best wishes all…Dave
Author: toddba
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$Mg
I take 1 750 mg capsule of LESlabs Mg citrate nightly primarily to assist in strengthening and healing my left femur and hip. After almost 30 years of working overnights and swing shifts, I’ve had difficulties obtaining a solid sleep and consistent BM’s. Since being on Mg I’ve improved markedly in both areas and seem to have more energetic workouts.
Cheers – Todd
Author: SoGiAm
Comment:
#Mg – Thanks Todd. Did not know Mg would assist in obtaining solid sleep. My 96 year younggin’ and #ZKSS swear by MiraLAX for constipation and BM. She take 1 dose every 3rd day.
Dr. KSS MD PhD
Here’s the big unstated problem with the opioid and drug abuse crisis in this country: getting into the hands of someone who can help you. Just see your primary doc, you say? No way: they won’t touch you. They fear board action against them, don’t know how to triage and manage such conditions, don’t know the importance of signed opioid therapy contracts with patients, and generally lack the certification to prescribe lifesavers like buprenorphine. You have to go to a provider like our very own Rick, MD, but he is overburdened, his practice is blowing its lid off it’s so full, and it’ll take 6 weeks to get an appointment. You’ll have relapsed into heroin by then.
Why not have drug-abuse treating practitioners on the front lines?
If you have time read the full text of this new NEJM article at the link so you understand the issues, and the needless ostracism that providers like Rick face in some areas. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1706492?query=featured_home By the way, anyone with a DEA certificate and number CAN write for methadone, but only if it’s for pain and not for maintenance of you as an opioid addict. And they have to document the hell out of your case in a clinic note. Bupe is far safer than methadone, which has a long halflife and can build up in you, leading to death from respiratory arrest.
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sheldon
I helped start the methadone and buprenorphine programs here in Ontario. Luckily, things are not as bad here re access or ostracism.
I try to see referrals within a few days.
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rsmattis
$noticker $buprenorphine
I just finished my morning load of patients in my suboxone clinic, hit refresh and read this. Great summary. Primary care is not set up to do this well, or even correctly most of the time. And that’s IF they have the suboxone certification in the first place. If they do get the certification, they will often limit to their current patients, or they will be inundated quickly when word gets around. OR, they will not infrequently go to “cash-pay” clinics, which is great for the doc, but not so good for a very large number of patients. The clinic I work for has done a huge amount of work to make it right, and it shows. Simply writing an Rx once per month does NOT get patients off of opiates. Counseling, drug screens, education, etc… Methadone is NOT a good alternative, and methadone clinic patients are seeking suboxone prescribers.
BUT, here is my question for Dr KSS and others…How do we get people off of meth?? Is there anything in the pipeline? Suboxone works for opiate addiction, and addiction in general to some degree, but certainly does not treat meth addiction specifically. I have many patients who no longer use opiates, but use meth daily, and other than threats of stopping their suboxone, I have little to offer. When is THAT drug going to be targeted by biotech???
Rick (the other rick MD)
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Dr. KSS MD PhD
Hi Rick: You raise some great questions. I think people need to be acutely aware that methampetamine is addicting, because I am not sure everybody gets that. Most agents tried for treating have failed, and these including GABAergic agents, atypicals, SSRI. I had one patient successfully treated with sustained propofol anesthesia. I am aware of favorable but as yet limited data for modafinil tapers, buproprion (because methamphetamine addiction appears to be an acquired hypodopaminergic state) and naltrexone (which has addiction breaking properties that transcend mechanism of addiction, or so we think….and have no idea why it should be that way). I have personally prescribed the drug acamprosate (Campral), and genuinely believed I was seeing efficacy. This drug acts in complex ways on the brain but in many corporate sponsored studies has shown itself to be reasonably good at “all comers” detox….and is in my view very underappreciated. Mechanistically, one would think it would be effective only in the face of alcoholism and abuse of benzodiazepines, zolpidem and barbiturates, but data do exist showing favorable, calmer outcomes when used in the wake of stimulants also. Full disclosure: though I am not a formally trained addiction medicine doctor, I was functionally “it” in one community where I practiced (liver patients are mostly addicts), and was a paid consultant for a time to Forest Labs regarding Campral.
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rsmattis
$KSS, $addiction
OK sorry to bug you, but one last question, since it certainly IS your area of expertise…
Is there money to be had by companies to develop treatment drugs?? I DO NOT mean, “Dr KSS, can you get me rich…”, I mean literally, is it really even worth it for companies to develop addiction treatments? Essentially all of the drugs you mentioned are generic, including methadone, propofol, buprenorphine, etc. So that tells me either there is no pipeline, or the FDA or medical community has no interest in studying meds until they accidentally find a use years after the company made nothing on its initial release. So why would a company in todays world spent millions developing a novel drug to combat meth? Is it worth it? Honestly, the cost to the public of limiting meth addiction has to be comparable to the cost saved by slapping some AC5 on a bleeder, and yet we ain’t talkin ’bout any addiction drug companies. Do you see that changing in the foreseeable future?
The Other Rick
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Dr. KSS MD PhD
It’s worth pondering. My exposure to this as a practicing physician has been that the majority of the problem is in a downwardly mobile population, ie MedicAid patients and the uninsured. That limits what one can do and the money to be made. Both $BDSI and $TTNP have made modest financial rewards from alternative delivery systems for buprenorphine (a buccal patch and am implant, respectively). These are problematic patients to treat because personality disorders often go along with substance abuse, and becaue substance abuse has a way of changing how the brain run its shop permanently. If you culture human CNS cells and expose them even once to cocaine, for example, the mRNA patterns seen on Northern blot analysis of cell lysates are forever different to cocaine-naive cells. Interpersonal therapies take time, take lots of sessions and so run up bills in addition to pharmacy bills. In a philosophical way, I wonder if the answer to pills can ever truly lie in alternative pills when what one needs is state of non-subjugation to medicines.
In my opinion, one of the most successful ideas for treating drug addiction with a drug has been the agent nalmefene, sold in the EU as Selincro. It’s a partial opioid antagonist that curbs drinking behavior and can gradually extinguish alcoholism, especially among people of high cognitive function desirous of quitting. Because of patent bugs, it will never be available in the US, but its existence makes one hope other agents along similar lines, that blunt pleasure, that obviate craving could be devised. For several years I’ve had an idea of a way to cure smoking along these lines….one I don’t want to reveal here because I’d love to patent it. However, when BioTie tried a dopamine beta-hydroxylase inhibitor to tame the thrill of cocaine and so get people off that, it failed…..presumably because addiction behaviors are highly complex with roots in sociology, psychology, neurology, interpersonal dynamics, genetics, parenting styles and even very very primitive behaviors of a pre-conscious sort rooted in the activity of the nucleus accumbens. It’s often very stunning to people to learn that more than 50 percent of American medical students have at least one parent who is alcoholic, and part of the motivation for the achievement of getting into and going to medical school is to distance oneself from such a family of origin, to escape it and rise above it. The analogy is often given of lobsters all stewing in a pot on a stove; one gets a wise idea and tries to escape for a better life…..but the others adamantly pull him back down into the pot with them.
I think that if neuroscience can master VMAT and the CNS dopamine transporter, we have a real shot at curing addiction and making profit in so doing. Give the field 10 years at least, however.
I say this cautiously because I don’t want to ruffle feathers of colleagues, but I am often concerned in this country that the treatment of addiction may overreside in therapy and counseling because practitioners profit more from that. For example, I cured dozens of alcoholics with the help of Campral and a strong doctor-patient relationship, and think Campral is a powerful, underappreciated medicine, one that should’ve made lots of profits but never did. I spoke on it to large audiences, and at the end few if any practitioners would ever even agree to TRY it in their patients because they wanted to go about things the old fashioned, more lucrative for them way. In our system, recovering addicts often treat present addicts, and many are only willing to go with the approach that they were treated with…..even if that may be harder. I know there is much disagreement and even rancor on this subject, but it’s my personal opinion that AA doesn’t help anyone and that it codepends the problem for sake of perpetutating its belief system. I am rather personally concerned by replacing subjugation to a drug with a substitutive subjugation to a higher power, because that’s just not the way my personal philosophy invents the world. I believe in personal accountability over blaming my failings on a devil and my successes on a god, and feel that my own personal Higher Power, which is a very private matter, is much happier with me when i take the rap or the credit, when I am my own best ally.
“Teach us to outgrow our madness,” was Kenzaburo Oe’s prayer and mine too.
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My opinion is that both neuroscientific and psycho-social-spiritual methods will be important going forward. My definition of “spiritual” is extremely broad. Addiction is a very isolating, self-centered condition. Your brain becomes hijacked and your whole world is wrapped around obtaining and using drugs/alcohol.
AA was born and raised in a judeo-christian society and was patterned after a men’s Christian self improvement club-the Oxford group. Most US members have this concept of God or a “higher power”. You can, however, place the basic principle of getting “out of yourself” and being with/helping others with a common struggle in any culture around the world and get the same results.
It is clear that some people become “dependent on AA” and use “God’s will” as an excuse to shirk personal responsibility but I would argue that this is a minority of members. I think it actually takes an act of courage and strong self will to start getting to meetings/treatment and doing what is needed to keep the disease of addiction in remission. If you look at the AA steps they are all about taking an honest account of yourself and then doing right buy others.
I have plenty of patients benefiting from AA who remain devout atheists, agnostics, buddhists , etc who have good recovery programs. I think it is all about moving away from self centeredness and learning to love others. Sound familiar? I think this is one of the characteristics of our community here (Dr. KSS in particular) that I find so attractive.
Rick
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Rick raises here an incredibly important point which I think bears emphasis. Which is that in true addiction, the patient’s entire waking life, or most of it, 80 percent of it, is subsumed by figuring out how to procure the next fix. Will the neighbor 4 doors down have some pills she’ll sell as she did last month? Will the illicit order from the mail order pharmacy abroad arrive or get intercepted by the post office and sent back again? If it does arrive, will the pills be genuine or fake? Maybe I can use another online search engine to scour for some secret pharmacy in the US that will ship to me (they do exist) so customs doesn’t get involved. Kim whom I knew in high school…she’s good at showing up and bringing me a party pack of spliff and a few gabapentin (she says they’re gabapentin) now and again…wonder if she’ll answer her phone this time? What doctor’s office will I run to and what lies will I tell if I absolutely run out? Will they report me? Will they query the state controlled substance prescribing database about me? Do I have enough money in the line of credit I talked the bank into to pay off my $6000 MasterCard bill for last month’s illicit shipment of Xanax (or hydrocodone or methylphenidate). You know….I NEEDED those pills because my life is STRESSFUL….nobody gets how stressful….I’m GOING to quit as soon as the stress subsides. That secret pack of 5 Valium I hide in the cabinet for emergencies….let me go check and be sure it’s still there. It soothes me to touch it every day.
Imagine wringing your hands and pacing the house all day every day in this manner and you have a glimpse at an addict’s life.
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No magic bullet for stimulant (meth,cocaine,etc.) addiction. Meth addicts especially need a lot of psycho-social-spiritual treatment. I will frequently try bupropion especially if there is co-occurring depression. Baclofen is a popular med to try among addiction med docs (for alcohol,cocaine,and meth cravings). Topiramate is commonly used but it has significant cognitive side effects. Disulfiram is also an interesting one to try.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2861803/
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rmwrip123
$addiction medicine
This article warms my heart. The problem starts in medical school. Maybe half of third year medical students at U WI spend 1 day with me in my clinic. They report receiving maybe 1 hour of instruction in the science/clinical aspects of addiction during their first 2 years. That is all they get! This is despite the very large (at least 20%) percent of people who see their primary care doc or go to an ER with addiction related concerns. Only now, in the midst of the worst drug epidemic the country has seen, is this starting to change. Any physician can get a waiver to prescribe buprenorphine. Any primary care practice an get this (and other) life saving meds started while they are referred to specialty care. Also, any physician who has completed a residency in any specialty can do a 1 year fellowship in addiction medicine.
Any general psychiatrist can treat addiction but few do. Our residents do get some training in addiction psychiatry during their second year. Most feel unprepared and most choose to do a forth year elective with me to get additional experience. Treating addiction has historically been a low priority even in the specialty of psychiatry.
I, and my colleagues in addiction medicine/psychiatry, are all doing our best to be agents of positive change but it has been very difficult. Every physician and administrator I talk to agrees with the need to improve the system but it is very slow going.
The last part of the article describes how rewarding and heartwarming it can be to treat this disease. People go from a life of misery to a life full of reward and promise. We have meds that work extremely well but also good, evidence based, psycho-social-spiritual treatments to offer. There is also an amazing network of mutual support groups (AA, NA, Smart recovery, celebrate recovery, church organizations, buddhist communites, etc) that help folks maintain sobriety and lead very rewarding lives. My work is truly a labor of love.
Rick
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Don’t you think it’s sad, even pathetic, how many MD’s eschew the opportunity to treat addicts? As if it’s beneath them. As if addicts are a monster race. As if treating addicts is a debased way to practice. Addiction is a disease. So is gout. So is bronchitis. No shame in treating those….because no one goes into a moral dimension. So why do we go into a moral realm about addiction? How does that help?
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I think it goes back thousands of years. Addicts have always been seen as being morally deficient or insane. While the ancient Greeks described addiction as a chronic disease we have only started to understand and define addiction as a brain disorder.
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Is addiction solely a brain disorder, or can it also be indicative of a particular brain type? I say that because, anecdotally, creative people appear to have a higher incidence of addiction–either drugs or alcohol–than the general population. Along the same lines, I like to tell people that without clinical depression, there wouldn’t be any great literature. And from an informal survey of the many uber-creative people I know, it seems to be a delicate balancing act between giving their imagination space to soar and getting mentally out of synch.
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http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/adhd-and-substance-abuse-is-there-a-link#1
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thinairmoney Ritalin has at times been the most common “street” drug among young and homeless/runaways who start cooking it to use iv in early teens. If they are not run aways they soon become so, start using harder stuff, often 3 or 4 kinds concurrently & often turn to shop lifting or prostitution to support addiction. Boys & girls prostitute with boys being paid more.
These are ADD ADHD etc using their prescribed Ritalin to start. Personal observation & opinion.
POO IMO
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Ok, how or what does Ridalin cook into that gets you high or zoned out that kids would cook it for? This is a new one to me.
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It remains ritalin. Only filler is removed to make it iv. That gives it the effect of meth/speed when it hits the brain rapidly . Cooking only refers to practice of dissolving in tablespoon of water, heating with cigarette lighter and filtering through cotton as drawn into syringe. Exactly same method used with tar heroin. Very common street use supplied by parents or children selling their “crazy pills”. Price per pill $10 to $20,,, one dose.
As an aside,,, Seattle hands out free syringes to addicts hoping to cut down on Hep C and Aids.
Just reported,,, they are handing out over 20,000 a year. They still get shared and re-used.
Human and $$$$ cost is insane.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Autism%2C+symptoms%2C+ages&searchToken=5kudhdqdglwm7rvr3nx0hr70n. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder#/search. Autism first link, 2nd link ADHD
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Dr. KSS MD PhD
Trust me STM, it’s only recall bias. The creative and the gifted are absolutely NOT more likely to abuse and be addicted, and that notion has been refuted again and again by solid data. Spend a single day in an addiction practitioners office, and you’ll see mostly a lot of patients lacking any real talent except for lying and manipulating the truth. I have been fortunate to be friends during my life with 10 people of stupendous, surpassing, epic, externally validated creativity….and not a single one ever abused a substance.
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I noted that Drs. have access to drugs while LLBs. have access to alcohol. Better intelligence helps someone find love, exercise, the outdoors, meditation, and change. From what I have noted, those who see through brown colored glasses and those with mental aberrations or post traumatic brain disorder have a most difficult time becoming motivated. Finding joie de vivre is the most important thing. I would propose AA and its counterparts, except that I have no religious beliefs and its program does not have enough joy, playfulness and fun that allow one to wean from drugs or alcohol without feeling angry or deprived.
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rmwrip123
You might be surprised. AA meetings are full of joy, playfulness, and fun. Sure there are folks there that are struggling but there are plenty of others who are there to help them out. People in decent recovery do not feel angry or deprived-far from it. The predominant feeling at a typical meeting is gratitude. Check out a couple of open AA meetings for yourself.
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rmwrip123 Absolutely true. Common to say that one has a demon, owned by Satan & that continues in the idiom of today,,,a monkey on ones back. Especially with todays drugs ( Meth primarily) it seems like some stranger has taken up residence in a persons body. The former person only being seen rarely and briefly.
I am becoming more convinced there is no “cure” short of absolute prevention of an addict obtaining the drug. That is an exceeding difficult task, as meth cannot even be kept out of high security prisons.
Not widely known by the public is that there are are many high functioning addicts that can control to the extent they keep use unknown,,,except to their Dr. and those who must deal with them when High.
Respected public figures and persons of wealth included as that group.
I live in a remote area ,,, two sq. miles per person, and you might think drugs would not be a problem.
Au Contraire’ meth use is higher than in the city slums. The population is aging and unemployment is high, so young people leave the area to find work. My observations & opinion of a layman.
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There is no cure for addiction. It is a chronic, relapsing/ remitting disease. We do, however, a number of evidence based treatments that can keep it in remission.
Addiction cuts across all socioeconomic and educational parameters. I made it through medical school and a psychiatry residency and only my wife had a clue as to what was going on.
Certain populations such as those who experiences childhood trauma or have certain psychiatric issues (bipolar, ADHD) are more vulnerable.
Meth addiction is definitely more prevalent in rural areas across the country – not sure exactly why.
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Something we have not discussed re Fentanyl and opiod abuse. K9s at risk.
http://wgntv.com/2017/07/17/drug-sniffing-k9-officers-saved-by-dangerous-overdoses-by-antidote-made-for-humans/
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Dr. KSS MD PhD
Everybody, I mean, everybody, needs to do the following once a year. Set aside one calendar month, and go without drinking any alcohol in that month. If you can’t go a month without consuming alcohol, you have a problem and need professional help straightaway. Conquer it early….or it WILL conquer you. The US is just loaded with occult alcoholics.
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“Everybody, I mean, everybody, needs to do the following once a year. Set aside one calendar month, and go without drinking any alcohol in that month. If you can’t go a month without consuming alcohol, you have a problem and need professional help straightaway.”
Thank you for reposting this. I started doing it three years ago after you first posted. October is my dry month – summer BBQs are over and holidays haven’t started. I’ve told many people about it. One said: “Great idea, It’s important to know if you are having the wine, or the wine is having you.”
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Crystal Meth Facts- https://www.thoughtco.com/crystal-meth-facts-608400
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Doc, I’m not an MD, but do hold advanced degrees in business and economics. However, both of my Brothers have Dr in their titles, as well as my brother in law, cousin, neice etc. Most recently,.my nephew completed his PhD, MD from University of Pennsylvania. Now at his first choice, at the children’s hospital in Philadelphia. Anyways, both my brother and brother in law who are both of retirement age, believe that MDs over prescibe pain meds. They both believe that MDs only think either Tylenol or an Opiod are their only choices for pain control.
I have an older friend that is about to turn 80, severe back pain, just now addressed with surgery, he is almost pain free now. But, I digress, his regular physician gzve out oxycodone like candy. Before the surgery he sucked to those down and unfortunately his daughters thought he was an addict.
Thankfully, once his pain ended, he had no desire to use oxycodone.
Perhaps, the solution is better training at all the different types of pain meds that are available before using opiods
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I agree. We underuse NSAIDs, on fear of their gastric and renal effects, but they’re fine analgesics and can be safely used in most people, even if by cycling on and off. I worry that agents like gabapentin and pregabalin merely gork you so that you notice pain less, but then depending on where you learned pharmacology, that’s actually all opioids do: blunt the emotive and visceral-panic response to pain, so that you don’t care and don’t report sensations as pain. Even in 2017, so late in the day, pharmacologists still argue over whether opioids actually KILL pain. As you may know, this effect is quantified by placing lab rodents on hot plates and timing how long til they leap off…is that because it takes longer for pain to get to them, or because their sensorium is so clouded they are laggard in responding. No one genuinely knows, I feel. Certainly pain perception can be markedly abated by taking measures to ensure that patients sleep deeply, that they have good nightly REM sleep. I am personally astounded by how few people sleep adequately in this country…..and no, agents like Ambien and Lunesta are NOT the solution. The truth is that most Americans practice appalling sleep hygiene, and can be taught to sleep. Trazodone is a marvelous, and underappreciated, drug that restores dream sleep without causing addiction or side effects. I have confidence that Recro can finally discern some analgesic utility in dexmedetomidine if they can find a way to finely control dose and not cause global CNS sedation and apnea.
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Comment Link: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2017/06/oncotutorial/comment-page-21/#comment-4948123
Author: Roger
Comment:
In the past while practicing meditation I gave up alcohol for 3 months. At this time of my life, 87, I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with dinner and if that is addiction–so be it.
John, there are good anecdotes re Jin Shin Jyutsu treatment of addiction.
The personal bandaid self help procedure is holding the right 23 (small of back between hip and bottom rib near spine) with the right hand and holding the left 21 (touching base of left cheekbone next to nose) as a treatment for addiction (all kinds). The treatments themselves frequently involve the practitioner’s doing stomach energy flows.
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Comment Link: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2017/06/oncotutorial/comment-page-22/#comment-4948129
Author: Roger
Comment:
Holding the right 11-3 and 25 may release tensions which restore harmony to the body. Rt. 11-3 is the junction between the neck and Rt. shoulder reaching back with the left hand as far as possible close to the spine; Rt. 25 is at the crease between the rump and the under part of adjacent thigh on the Rt. side.
Good Luck STM, I remember your past kindness and if there is such a thing as KARMA, I know it is working on your behalf.
Holding rt. junction between neck and shoulder as far back as possible and the rt crease between thigh and rump releasing tensions were written in relationship to passing gallstones for Save The Manatee.
Comment Link: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2017/06/oncotutorial/comment-page-22/#comment-4948291
Author: xmandave
Comment:
Doc, I take 1/2 of a men’s multi-vitamin daily, on the premise that it may smooth out variations in my diet. So that would be 1 mg of B6, and 3 mg of B12 daily. Am I wasting my money, or even causing potential harm? I’m 71. My 32 year old daughter does not take any supplemental vitamins, saying that the food she eats will give her what she needs. If I’ve understood you correctly, my daughter is right, with the exception of vitamin D.
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Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
The data says you’re wasting money and causing potential harm. The data says your daughter is correct,
Author: rmwrip123
Comment:
$addiction medicine
This article warms my heart. The problem starts in medical school. Maybe half of third year medical students at U WI spend 1 day with me in my clinic. They report receiving maybe 1 hour of instruction in the science/clinical aspects of addiction during their first 2 years. That is all they get! This is despite the very large (at least 20%) percent of people who see their primary care doc or go to an ER with addiction related concerns. Only now, in the midst of the worst drug epidemic the country has seen, is this starting to change. Any physician can get a waiver to prescribe buprenorphine. Any primary care practice an get this (and other) life saving meds started while they are referred to specialty care. Also, any physician who has completed a residency in any specialty can do a 1 year fellowship in addiction medicine.
Any general psychiatrist can treat addiction but few do. Our residents do get some training in addiction psychiatry during their second year. Most feel unprepared and most choose to do a forth year elective with me to get additional experience. Treating addiction has historically been a low priority even in the specialty of psychiatry.
I, and my colleagues in addiction medicine/psychiatry, are all doing our best to be agents of positive change but it has been very difficult. Every physician and administrator I talk to agrees with the need to improve the system but it is very slow going.
The last part of the article describes how rewarding and heartwarming it can be to treat this disease. People go from a life of misery to a life full of reward and promise. We have meds that work extremely well but also good, evidence based, psycho-social-spiritual treatments to offer. There is also an amazing network of mutual support groups (AA, NA, Smart recovery, celebrate recovery, church organizations, buddhist communites, etc) that help folks maintain sobriety and lead very rewarding lives. My work is truly a labor of love.
Rick
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Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
Don’t you think it’s sad, even pathetic, how many MD’s eschew the opportunity to treat addicts? As if it’s beneath them. As if addicts are a monster race. As if treating addicts is a debased way to practice. Addiction is a disease. So is gout. So is bronchitis. No shame in treating those….because no one goes into a moral dimension. So why do we go into a moral realm about addiction? How does that help?
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Author: rsmattis
Comment:
$KSS, $addiction
OK sorry to bug you, but one last question, since it certainly IS your area of expertise…
Is there money to be had by companies to develop treatment drugs?? I DO NOT mean, “Dr KSS, can you get me rich…”, I mean literally, is it really even worth it for companies to develop addiction treatments? Essentially all of the drugs you mentioned are generic, including methadone, propofol, buprenorphine, etc. So that tells me either there is no pipeline, or the FDA or medical community has no interest in studying meds until they accidentally find a use years after the company made nothing on its initial release. So why would a company in todays world spent millions developing a novel drug to combat meth? Is it worth it? Honestly, the cost to the public of limiting meth addiction has to be comparable to the cost saved by slapping some AC5 on a bleeder, and yet we ain’t talkin ’bout any addiction drug companies. Do you see that changing in the foreseeable future?
The Other Rick
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Author: rmwrip123
Comment:
I think it goes back thousands of years. Addicts have always been seen as being morally deficient or insane. While the ancient Greeks described addiction as a chronic disease we have only started to understand and define addiction as a brain disorder.
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Author: savethemanatee
Comment:
Is addiction solely a brain disorder, or can it also be indicative of a particular brain type? I say that because, anecdotally, creative people appear to have a higher incidence of addiction–either drugs or alcohol–than the general population. Along the same lines, I like to tell people that without clinical depression, there wouldn’t be any great literature. And from an informal survey of the many uber-creative people I know, it seems to be a delicate balancing act between giving their imagination space to soar and getting mentally out of synch.
Author: Roger
Comment:
Achandra, Re your questions on Jin Shin Jyutsu: Going on line I found a page with an accurate chart of numbered energy locks: http://www.jinshinjyutsu.org.nz/self-help-charts/. Pat yourself on the right back with your left hand as deep down as possible, and you are on the 11 and 3. The numbering system is best learned in a 5 day course and has to do with the Sino-Asian 10 organ flows and 5 circles of energy that go up the back and down the front. The circles of energy, or lines, or depths have myriad applications and meanings. These are also related to the development of the vertebrate from one cell and the specialization of cells, the development of body, finding disharmonys and their clauses and more. All of the fingers, toes, organs, vertebra, and rest of the body and parts are related to them with exceptions. Jin Shin Jyutsu Inc. is in Scottsdale and there are numerous 5 day classes taught for beginners and reviewers. I found the study opened new worlds. Sorry, no one do 5 pages of teaching and hands on experience in one paragraph. The study opened new continents for me.
Cleveland
Unique Longevity Benefits of $Magnesium
October 2017
http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2017/10/Longevity-Benefits-of-Magnesium/Page-01
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Hugo – an observation from the “cheap seats”. Although the article goes into the subject of magnesium supplementation in some detail, it does not specify the particular type of magnesium. If I remember correctly,
Dr.KSS prefers “chelated” Magnesium and specifically the Glycinate or Threonate versions, but not both at once.
I’m using the Glycinate version.
PetervR
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Author: mvssysprog
Comment:
#Magnesium –
Cleveland, in addition to longevity, certain magnesium compounds can affect brain health:
http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2016/6/Unique-Magnesium-Compound-Reverses-Brain-Aging/Page-01
I’ve been using Magnesium-L- threonate for several years. I can’t tell if it is helpful, but I think I am still coherent…lol.
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Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
The thing about Mg is that a blood test poorly reflects “on board” magnesium because Mg is mostly within cells and not free. I’ve been in many clinical situations where I’ve given 4 grams of iv magnesium without checking any levels because Mg levels respond to dosed Mg only very gradually. It’s very very very hard to have too much Mg on board. Still, nothing said here is a substitute for you talking with your own doctor about your unique situation, which may be encumbered by medical considerations you’re not thinking of at this moment. In most cases, you’ll find that your own doctor is self-supp’ing with Mg.
Sometimes an article comes along that really jolts me, maybe some of you folks here at SG are aware of the issue. Just read a very good article, in Politico of all places, concerning the possibility that increased CO2 levels may be negatively affecting the nutritional content of the food supply. Could this be possible? Early studies seem to be showing us that as CO2 concentrations are increased, it revs up photosynthesis, which one would think would be a positive. However, analyses of many different types of plants are showing a decline in protein content as well as declining concentrations of minerals like zinc, iron and magnesium, and an increase in carbohydrates (sugars). If this phenomenon is borne out with further studies, it is not good news for humankind.
Much of the article focuses on the frustrating odyssey of Dr. Irakli Loladze, a mathematician by training, after he first came across a similar phenomenon whereby increased light on phytoplankton (algae) seemed to be making it less nutritious (“junk food”) for the zooplankton that feed on the phytos.
If you are taking supplements like Mg or D3 (I have been for about 5 years) this is definitely worth reading. “The Great Nutrient Collapse” http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511
Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
Concise, friendly reading about calcium, phosphorus and especially magnesium, their intake, and their relationship to health. Have a go.
http://www.bodybio.com/content.aspx?page=Mineral-balance-Calmag-phosphorus
Author: mj1484
Comment:
#noticker
Hi All,
I’m listening to the conference call now.
Cohbar has DEFINITELY piqued my interest. And, I will invest.
But, I had a thought:
My great-grandmother swore by “home remedies”. She lived to be a healthy 106. She ate onions daily. Grandma (now 98 & healthy) has always been big on onions, garlic–not to the point of it coming through her pores, though–and Brewer’s yeast. Her grandmother (who lived to be 96) always had the grandkids taking Brewer’s yeast.
I always figured those were good things to incorporate into one’s diet. I figured the niacin content in garlic and Brewer’s (and then NAD) might have been part of the equation. I assumed the onions were beneficial, in part, because they’re prebiotics. For the biologists (and others) here, do you guys think those are correct assumptions? Just curious.
Banish Toe Fungus
Forget Jubila et. al.
Listerine Blue Mint
Soak Toes twice a week for 4 weeks then once a week for another 4 weeks in Listerine Blue Mint for 30 minutes then maintenance once a month for 30 minutes in Listerine Blue Mint.
Ignore blue toes. This flat out works. Entire family has tried..
Author: ScorpioRising
Comment:
$Hangover cure – Because all of us gummies would like to occasionally enjoy a few drinks from our $500 bottles of cognac or wine (which we will be able to afford with Dr. KSS on our side) without feeling a little hung over the next morning, an FDA compliant cure for hangovers.
http://www.businessinsider.com/hangover-cures-drink-morning-after-morning-recovery-sisun-lee-2017-6
Comment Link: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2017/10/aurinia-rd-day-new-york-city-october-20-2017/comment-page-2/#comment-4956543
Author: Dr. KSS MD PhD
Comment:
People like the authors hate to be wrong down the road and the truth is that while data point in the direction of cancer prevention along many lines, including known effects of D on certain pathways, the “proof” right now is something tough to hang one’s hat on. But there ARE plenty of other reasons to take D3, including growing evidence of how it seems to foster a “good brain,” ie, cognitive health and a sense of emotional well-being. I know scores of people who insist that regular D3 has replaced and trumped psychiatric drugs in their lives, made them emotionally stabler, made them happier. All anecdote, I admit. But since D3 will not hurt you and is so inexpensive, taking it seems highly reasonable. And most MDs do. Your brain abounds to a ridiculous degree in receptors for vitamin D3 EVERYWHERE. Why? We’ve not got any idea! Not yet, at least. But they must be there for a reason! The body is thrifty, and is not in the habit of stuffing itself with receptors as decorations.
Catherine, I started out as Orpheusrog, then started using “Roger,” then when Rogerson used “Roger”, I switched to “REBS” until I found he was using “Rogerson”, when I went back to “Roger”. If there are other problems for which I can offer alternative hands on solutions, let me know.
# Alternative Health
Thanks, Roger, I appreciate the background information. I’ve only been in the Gummune about 6 months, and was delighted when I stumbled across alternative health ideas as well as stocks, amazing detail, informed opinions, kindness, and humor. Even when I’m just quickly scanning a page, yours is one of the icons that I’ll stop and read, and think about. I was very interested in your hands on procedures, and am fortunate not to have migraines, acid reflux, and such – but will be keeping your offer in mind.
Catherine
Catherine, You are very kind.
#TheConversation, Search analysis, research, academics…
Academic rigor, journalistic flair
What #supplements do #Scientists use, and why?
https://theconversation.com/what-supplements-do-scientists-use-and-why-87954? January 11, 2018 7.16am EST Updated January 11, 2018 11.28am EST
#Turmeric 😉 #VitaminD 🙂 #ProBIOtic #PreBiotic #Omega3
Nothing but REAL #FOOD – Discussion: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2016/09/microblog-food-discussion/
#One of https://www.stockgumshoe.com/author/sogiam/ threads
…Rather than taking expensive and ineffective synthetic products, we should get all the nutrients, microbes and vitamins we need from eating a range of real foods, as evolution and nature intended. 🙂 #Best2ALL! 🙂
Author: Roger
I guess whether statins provide longevity remains an issue. I had muscle deterioration and problems with statins and switched to using the Tumeric with piperine. Cholesterol in good control and no side effects. In place of blood thinners, I use Natto Kinase pills (from the Japanese Natto, a vile smelling stuff Been doing so for a couple of years. Get it from Pure Encapsulations.
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Author: tanglewood
Hi Roger; do you need to have your blood level INR checked while on Natto Kinase? I am on Coumadin, and while checking the INR level monthly is a pain, the real problem is when you need to stop it and switch to Lovenox injections if you are having an operation.
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Author: Roger
Tanglewood, I had a couple of episodes of arrhythmia and my Dr. wanted me on coumadin and aspirin. I opted not to do either and read about natto kinase and started it. Since I never was on coumadin, I didn’t have to do the checks. I had very bad experience with a family member’s bleeding and difficulty with regulating coumadin. Anyway I don’t do aspirin nor coumadin, but have no special medical knowledge–it is simply my layman’s decision, but I am kind of a stubborn maverick. No advice given. Good luck whatever.
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Author: Roger
Tanglewood, It just hit me that you are concerned that natto kinase thins blood and requires testing to avoid subcutaneous or other bleeding. My research was done on line with Google, but I believe nattor kinase works without thinning blood and does not carry any risk of bleeding. But remember, I have no medical background. Luck!