Tom Dyson & Bill Boners MAGIC NUMBER
by sucram1 | May 21, 2020 11:17 am
Hi there guys. Tom Dyson[1] used to work with the palm beach group. He has teamed up a Bill boner and launched a new newsletter called TOM’S PORTFOLIO. In it he reveals a strategy they call the MAGIC NUMBER. When and what to buy and when to sell, as per usual.. But they explain a lot more, it circles around GOLD and silver[2] etc. I will try and post a link to the tease so you can see for yourself.
Let us know what you think about this. The interview is well worth watching.. Cheers.
https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT466322&eid=MKT466958&encryptedSnaid=YpEXyo7%2FZPxOrnSrQ0KGDXqhsVNpU%20rExZ62vM2vj7w%3D&snaid=SAC0017574268&step=start&emailjobid=4648055&emailname=200521-Hotlist-RTP-Launch-AM-Ded&assetId=AST139624&page=1[3]
- Tom Dyson: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/tom-dyson/
- silver: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/silver/
- https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT466322&eid=MKT466958&encryptedSnaid=YpEXyo7%2FZPxOrnSrQ0KGDXqhsVNpU%20rExZ62vM2vj7w%3D&snaid=SAC0017574268&step=start&emailjobid=4648055&emailname=200521-Hotlist-RTP-Launch-AM-Ded&assetId=AST139624&page=1: https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT466322&eid=MKT466958&encryptedSnaid=YpEXyo7%2FZPxOrnSrQ0KGDXqhsVNpU%20rExZ62vM2vj7w%3D&snaid=SAC0017574268&step=start&emailjobid=4648055&emailname=200521-Hotlist-RTP-Launch-AM-Ded&assetId=AST139624&page=1
Source URL: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2020/05/microblog-tom-dyson-bill-boners-magic-number/
Found this webinar very intriguing. Tom worked for Stansberry before going to Palm Beach & I liked his work back then. He seems to be one of those rare individuals whose gut instincts are pretty accurate. As he makes such an extreme prescription for prescious metals allocations, it’s apparent that he feels extremely passionate about his convictions. Would love to know what he’s recommending. My telegram ID is the same as here, if anyone cares to chat this up.
True he sounds counter intuitive. But I am a bit sceptical about going all in and his distaste for diversify. Contrarian theory but might work. I am afraid to act on it though.
SAND is the most likely. Teeka Tiwari has recommended it in the past. I own some.
His magic number is 5 for the ratio of the Dow to gold. Currently it is about 14 so that would mean about $5000 for gold or 8700 for the Dow if the other stayed the same.
If you search the vast/powerful/insightful gumshoe Mecca, I believe it was 2016 August that Tom Dyson was featured and I believe SAND was mentioned then. Some things never grow old. When it comes to gold.
I just received a text message from 38470 indicating the following:
Warning: avoid GLD and SLV if you want to own gold, there’s only one investment we recommend.
Still struggling to understand what this magical single investment might be.
I’m not sold on the company SAND. I own some but wouldn’t dare bet the farm I’m thinking that it is some other magical maestro.
If anybody has a wild idea, let me know. Thank you. Bruce
Clearly he has a preferred dealer. One possibility is an electronically tradably receipt. For example, the Royal Canadian Mint (not affiliated with the Canadian government) offers electronic tradable receipts (ETRs) backed by their vaulted gold, as well as collectible coins minted from precious metals.
Thank you for ETR tip. I’ve not explored that avenue. I think I will inquire with my local physical gold guy and see if he has mentioned such a thing, and it went in one ear and out the other.
The investment he likes above all others is physical gold, i.e. gold you can hold in your hand. He also likes physical silver and gold royalty companies, but the bulk of his wealth is in physical gold. He’s said this many times on his blog.
According to my notes from his presentation last week, he said “Put 85% of [your] portfolio in physical gold and silver (4 to 1 ratio).”
I would also like to know what he is recommending…
Any chance someone knows the name of those stocks please?
He said he likes gold royalty companies. Also, the sales material says that if you subscribe, ‘you’ll get the names of Tom’s royalty “moonshots.” ‘ Also, he said on his blog (Postcards from the Edge) that he has some blue-chip gold royalty stocks. Therefore, probably FNV or RGLD. Possibly SAND or WPM, though WPM is more silver than gold.
I wonder there any gold miners as well.
In addition to recommending gold and silver, he recommended some oil tanker stocks in a special report which you could get for free, i.e. FRO, EURN, INSW and TNK. Volatile but likely to soar, he says.
These oil tanker stocks have not done so well since he recommended. I got another email today indicating oil tanker stocks are his recommendation, beside gold. He’s going to beat this dead horse until… Maybe they make some money?
Teeka Tiwari has recommended SAND for a long time so it is probably tops. It has very low overhead. I own some stock and options.
In Postcards from the Edge he has discussed the ratio of the DOW to gold. Five is his target for buying stock. The current ratio is about 14. So
if the Dow stayed the same that would put gold at about $5000. If Gold stayed the same, Dow about 8700.
A number of newsletters are premoting these guys now… Tom and Bill
Has the scent gone cold on this one? Has anyone discovered what his gold and silver stocks are? I’d love to know.
I’m still receiving emails to view their interview. Has anyone found out more. Do you still think SAND is the one recommendation? Also I’m new at this, so how do you find this ration of 5? When you guys last wrote the number was at 14.50. So it’s not time to invest then? Thanks for any help. Best Regards
I tried digging some more and came up empty. I’m not sure if SAND is the direction. I believe it is somebody else but I haven’t come close to determining.
Never saw the actual interview on that one, and the order form doesn’t have any clues — if you have the original interview still I’d be happy to take a look.
The interview was long and calculated, deliberate.… As usual.
I scratched down the number of URLs, but in the end, nothing of value.
Here is one note that I have and I don’t know if this is a red herring:
Royal Canadian Mint (not affiliated with the Canadian government) offers electronic tradable receipts (ETRs).
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Some of the links have expired. I’m not finding what I think you need.
https://www.emergencyinvestmentsummit.com/
I saved this comment from somewhere deep in his information overload:
Warning: avoid GLD and SLV if you want to own gold, there’s only one investment we recommend.
And I realized that SLV is a silver ETF. So that one. I may have mistakenly jotted down.
This was the free PDF but it is only on his recommendations on oil tankers.
https://click.exct.bonnerandpartners.com/?qs=ee542f22a6e06736cb12ca56c99706bb418ca31247d9274684a00cfb1972da40eaa8d2cf5852fc7e5020afebbab3ca43a3d68d0259cc994f
here is is Dow/gold ratio rationale. Still not helpful.
https://www.palmbeachgroup.com/palm-beach-daily/dow-to-gold-ratio-is-the-economys-barometer/
more of the same discussion on gold/sidelines.
https://www.palmbeachgroup.com/palm-beach-daily/protect-your-wealth-during-market-corrections/
Definitely not the same as the real thing, but these are the 3 videos they used, to promote Tom’s “Summit”.
https://www.emergencyinvestmentsummit.com/?view=module-1#video-1
if you can speed them up on watching, highly recommended.
OK guys, this is crazy. So I receive “postcards from the fringe” from Jim (free subscription). On his last message, he says things are going crazy worlwide fiinancially and the USA is probably the only one that can offer a solution. Here is a part of the message: “here’s one other outcome I’m anticipating… although this is, frankly, an extreme outcome…
And that’s for the world to restructure the global monetary system WITHOUT the dollar as the main reserve asset.
The probability of this is a lot higher than most people think, so I take it seriously.
There are several alternatives global bankers and policymakers could use.
For example, they could use Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) – a currency basket issued by the IMF. They could use gold or cryptocurrency. Or they could even use a combination of all of them.
Gold is the natural choice, though.
The only issue is… They’ll have to hyperinflate the gold price from $1,700 an ounce, where it is as I write, to $10,000 or more.”
So it’s Gold, or maybe even cryptocurrency or some obscure IMF currency.
What do you think?
Here is the Emergency Investment Summit with Tom Dyson and Bill Bonner: https://webinar.rogueeconomics.com/#/client/emergencyinvestmentsummit . Hoping you can watch it … I did.
J have been able to watch it again because I had registered with my e-mail…
I’m still receiving email with Tom Dyson’s interview. Has anyone bought his program? Is it worth it or is it just his favorite way to buy gold? I’ve lost too much lately on stocks/options. I am thinking Gold and Cryptocurrencies but am not sure how to go about it. Any input?
I’m still receiving email with Tom Dyson’s interview. Has anyone bought his program? Is it worth it or is it just his favorite way to buy gold? I’ve lost too much lately on stocks/options. I am thinking Gold and Cryptocurrencies but am not sure how to go about it. Any input? Thanks to all
I can help you with the basics/getting started in cryptocurrencies with the info I learned through a Teeka Tiwari course.
Hi Aundrea,
I’d like to compare my list of Altcoins (from another CC subscription – cheaper than TT’ ) with yours from TTiwari’s. I’ve some questions , I couldn’t get answered anywhere . Your notes might me some clues. Chat up ?
Hi mado311, I’ve bought the Teeka program and ihave been doing some other research if you and Andrea would like to compare notes, I would love it. I actually signed up for classes 🙂 Let me know.
Hi mado0311, it’s a great idea you proposed to aundrea. I’d like to be part of it too if it’s okay. Like I said to Aundrea, I bought Teeka Tiwari 5 coins to 5 millions program. I also signed up for crypto courses through another program from Europe. I’d love to compare notes and see what we come up with. How do you want to do this? email? Mine is bellantonijones@gmail.com Thanks
Hi, mad0311. Sorry for my delayed response. I’d be happy to exchange info. My email is dreascrypto@gmail.com.
Andrea, Yes I’d like to have your opinion on what you learned through Teeka’s system. I bougth his 5 coins to 5 millions program but I’m not sure it’s what you are talking or if he has other courses besides that on cryptocurrency. I also signed up for crypto courses through another program from Europe. I’d love to compare notes and see what we come up with. How do you want to do this? email? Mine is bellantonijones@gmail.com Thanks
I have done Cryto for quite a few years. I would love to hear what others have done. markwdalton@gmail.com. And I am happy to share what I have done. KNC has been doing well for me (recently). And BTC I buy/sell regularly. On Gold I have been doing SAND and RGLD mostly. (I am still riding the stock wave of TSLA, AMZN, and did the Motley Fool recommends (mostly). etc, but I am concerned these will drop eventually).
Has anyone been investing in REN on Crypto market, very surprising increases. Is it written in the code or another factor? Also, thoughts about Bitcoin long term, especially after election and even the new year. My hunch is stock will crash next year and Bitcoin will boom.
I’m still receiving emails with Tom Dyson’s interview. Has anyone bought his program? Is it worth it or is it just his favorite way to buy gold? I’ve lost too much lately on stocks/options. I am thinking Gold and Cryptocurrencies but am not sure how to go about it. Any input? Thanks to all
I’m still receiving email with Tom Dyson’s interview. Has anyone bought his program? Is it worth it or is it just his favorite way to buy gold? I’ve lost too much lately on stocks/options. I am thinking Gold and Cryptocurrencies but am not sure how to go about it. Any input? Thanks to all
I can help you with the basics/getting started in cryptocurrencies with the info I learned through a Teeka Tiwari course.
Aundrea, thank you so much. If you’re talking about the 5 coins to 5 millions, I got the program, but it just gives the names of about 12 cryptos right? I am wondering if Teeka will tell us when to sell them? Another site that is helping me is ivanontech.com I’m still learning but it seems so complicated. Do you have any info on how to invest in gold and is it too late to invest in it? How do you buy it? stocks, real gold??? Did you buy the 12 cryptos Teeka advertised? I’m still in the process to buy some of them. Thanks again.
The safest and easiest way to invest in gold (in my humble opinion) is to buy blue-chip gold royalty stocks. My favorite is Franco-Nevada, and it is recommended by a number of financial pundits. I also like Sandstorm Gold and Wheaton Precious Metals, though WPM is more silver than gold. All of these are great long-term investments, I think. Trevor is a big fan of SAND, and has been for years.
Another one they have recommended is SA
Great thank you so much. Will surely take it into account
I have been fortunate to own SAND, RGLD and FNV. And I even own an ETF (GLD) that I purchased way too high in 2012 and more in 2013. I believe the preferred ETF is GDX and I didn’t know that at the time. And back at the end of March2020 found a local precious metals company. I was able to purchase bullion through them at a reasonable price. I have been fortunate with steady increase in all the last 3 months. They will not be doubler’s or 10 baggers and they don’t need to be complete my objective. I think I will pursue Wheaton. Although rocket fast is most mindsets, slow and steady wins the race. I live in Minneapolis.
I’m with you there btjossem. I want a safe place to put my little savings until the economic whirlwind is gone. I feel Gold will at least be stable and hopefully going up somewhat. For some risks, I think I’ll invest in some cryptocurrencies. It seems that blockchain is the way of the future 🙂 However who knows which blockchain compagnies 🙂 Needing to research there.
Thank you very much Hugh108, I am noting those down. Is it a little late to buy gold. Do you know how to find the magic number Jim Dyson is talking about? Did he mean to wait for that number (ratio of something) before investing in Gold? Thanks
The ratio is calculated as the DOW JONES AVERAGE (25827) divided by PRICE OF GOLD PER OUNCE (1776). A patriotic number.
25827/1776= 14.5
DJIA (up at the top left) and as a bonus you get FNV stock price.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fnv
Gold price
https://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
in order for us to see ratio=5, something like the following needs to happen:
25,000 / 5000 = 5 (gold hits 5000 and Dow relatively the same)
20,000 / 4000 = 5 (Dow 20% drop and gold more than doubles)
and there’s plenty of other combos that get us there.
Tom is currently in gold and waiting for the ratio to hit 5. Currently 25827 divided by 1776 = 14.5
For those of us not in gold, he might say cash is the place to be. Just not in the market.
He is looking for a market correction and gold to skyrocket and then he takes his gold and purchases a collapsed market.
Tom is currently in gold and waiting for the ratio to hit 5. Currently 25827 divided by 1776 = 14.5
For those of us not in gold, he might say cash is the place to be. Just not in the market.
He is looking for a market correction and gold to skyrocket and then he takes his gold and purchases a collapsed market.
Thank you btjoseem, so what’s the point of his program if he is basically saying stay away from stock and it’s too late to buy gold?
No, I don’t think it’s too late to buy gold. Lots of financial experts, i.e. Tom Dyson, Teeka Tihari, Eric Fry, Jason Bodner, etc. have been recommending gold and/or gold royalty stocks this year.
Hugh1108 hit it on the head. I agree that it is not too late to buy gold. It is just Tom positioned himself with his gold (and other gold investments like stocks) purchases ahead of this run-up in gold. Some people are sitting on the sidelines with cash (and a lot of it). That’s really getting them no return. Tom’s philosophy is ride the gold as high as it will go and watch the market drop and buy the market when it is on sale ( with his valuable gold). Best of success in your “gold” investing.
Jason Bodner is considered a “financial expert”????
Which crupto currency to buy, i am new to crypto and would appreciate any feedback.?
I recommend buying bitcoin, bitcoin and bitcoin. This is the safest and most reliable way of making money with cryptos. If you want a flutter, buy Chainlink as well. Bitcoin and Chainlink are recommended by every crypto pundit.
Hello and THANK YOU for all your HELP.
WAS I WRONG, Actually it seems Jim Dyson says to buy Gold up to the Dow to Gold ration of 22 and then sell when the ratio reaches 5.
So do we buy Gold up to the 22 Dow to Gold ratio and stop once it goes down and then sell when ration is 5.
Here is the link about his magic number: https://www.rogueeconomics.com/postcards-from-the-fringe/dow-to-gold-ratio-tells-the-whole-economic-story/
Is it your understanding?
Thanks to all,
Concetta Jones
I don’t understand his stop loss rationale of 22.36 that happened in October 2018.
I would have said that could have been his point to say: time to switch stock market dollars to gold and sit and wait
here’s why:
10/18/2018 25,606 dropped 327 to 25,379. Gold $1226. 25606/1226 = 20.88 (close to 22.36)
The Dow as of 7/2 is 25,827 (<1% increase from 10/18/2018).
I think the only thing Tom is recommending these days is oil tanker stocks and they haven't done very well for me since he recommended in April!! Glad I didn't bet the farm.
Anyway, he's not buying into this market. He probably also has his gold and is buying nothing and vacationing!
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I receive his "postcard" email and browse it from time to time.
His most recent version from July 2 is certainly intriguing. Perhaps more insights in it regarding gold???
A significant amount of "what if" scenarios spelled out.
https://www.rogueeconomics.com/postcards-from-the-fringe/expect-a-shift-in-the-global-monetary-system/
If his $10,000 gold were to happen… That would be a potential scenario for him.
25,827 / 10,000 = ratio = 2.58
but, the theory would be, if the Dow stays relatively the same, Tom would be out and buying stocks at $5165 gold.
If gold hits $5000, I will guarantee you Dow will not be 25,827.
my head hurts at this point.
I think the Fed has dumped so much money into the “system” that I don’t think anything makes sense in the market anymore.
The only thing Tom is recommending now is gold. As long as the ratio of the Dow to gold is greater than 5, he recommends avoiding stocks. I don’t completely agree, but that is his position. He is 100% gold.
https://www.rogueeconomics.com/postcards-from-the-fringe/get-out-of-stocks-and-into-gold/
I read through this long thread carefully, but don’t see that anyone mentioned the 5 stocks he recommended when the Dow-to-Gold ratio reaches 5. Did anyone here subscribe? I’m a new “irregular” so maybe this is off-topic, but would appreciate hearing what those 5 stocks are.
From Tom Dyson’s “Postcards” today:
Tom’s response: Good question. One must always be planning the exit strategy… or, at least, the next trade. I plan to begin selling our gold when the Dow-to-Gold ratio hits 5.
At that point, I want to buy the best, most reliable companies in the world… things like Disney, Coca-Cola, and Home Depot, to name three. These companies have been making profits for years, and they raise their dividends each year.
My hope is, at a Dow-to-Gold ratio of 5, these stocks will be cheap.
Here’s an earlier “Postcard” where he discusses the strategy: https://www.rogueeconomics.com/postcards-from-the-fringe/the-dow-to-gold-ratio-removes-investment-uncertainty/
You can link to all the other missives there, too.