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marcy
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marcy
July 28, 2018 4:34 pm

10ppm gained over 11% this past month. That makes it 6 in a row! They lean more on the conservative side when opening trades which also applies to any exits, if needed. Most of the trades are allowed to expire worthless, cutting commission fees in half. Any trades that don’t go their way are cut lose. Trade management is stellar with an excellent track record spanning over 10 years. I’ve been with them for over 5 of them and what they put on the site is exactly what I’ve experienced.

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mike pax
November 19, 2018 12:59 pm
Reply to  marcy

they lost 70% in october. their results are skewed so do not believe them

Howard
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Howard
August 15, 2018 5:07 am

great program. make money good. it work!

Tori
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Tori
September 10, 2018 11:41 am

excellent service! excellent returns! excellent customer service! excellent all around!

Tom J.
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Tom J.
October 11, 2018 8:56 pm

I don’t see anywhere on the site where 10PPM lists information about their license. I have heard that they claim they are a “newsletter” which means they do not need to be licensed and registered. But a newsletter also has to follow newsletter rules. Specifically, they have to put out their newsletter postings the same day each month. Also, their postings can not be based on market movement. However, it is obvious that 10PPM will open or close a position(by sending out a newsletter posting) based on when a good entry or exit point presents itself. This in itself makes them not a newsletter. What they are is an options trading service. Anyone who argues that is not familiar with this service. And in order to be an options trading service, they need to be licensed and registered. So, 10PPM, are you licensed?

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Wilson
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Wilson
October 23, 2018 12:57 am

Very simple and straighforward service. Timing of trades is amazing! Commentary on US stock market is educational.

Austin
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Austin
November 11, 2018 4:02 pm

If you started with $10,000 and got 10% a month return compounding for 10 years, you’d have $927,090,688.18 – just shy of a billion dollars. I thus tend to doubt the veracity of the claim implicit in their name. (If it sounds too good to be true…)

Debra009
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Debra009
January 31, 2019 12:04 am
Reply to  Austin

That’s what I think aslo, forget about going back 10 years, in one year you would without taking compounding into consideration be up 120%. Using the simple formula of 10%X12 and I think I am pretty good when it comes to stocks and options and my portfolio has also been up over 100% twice in the past 12 years.

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mhuckabee1
November 29, 2018 7:28 am

I’m interested in the real performance of this service. Can someone who has either autotraded with them or followed their trades over a span of several years report the real growth of their portfolio? Obviously trading costs eat up a lot with this kind of service but it seems like you would earn at least 30+% per year if you believe their numbers. What have people actually achieved?

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Joe
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Joe
June 4, 2019 5:28 am
Reply to  mhuckabee1

Hello, I had been a client with them for 13 years. I had invested about $60’000. Over 13 years, there were some winning years, but overall I lost a third of my portfolio. So, I ended up with $40’000 after 13 years. I see above the ppm tries to blur the reality by calculating things differently and playing with how they present the numbers (average return and relative %, rather than hard $$$ figures). Looking very short term, you may get lucky and get a few winning moths in a row….but them the bad months come in once in a while and crush you capital. In the mid to long term, their strategy does not work.
I should mention my account was fully auto-traded by them.

Torvey
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Torvey
December 5, 2018 9:22 pm

I haven’t used this service for years but can attest to their performance for the past 10 months. The results are as they state with the exception of brokers not filling orders for autotrade all the time. Mostly, all brokers get the autotrade orders filled with some failing. One that was successful one month may fail another month. It all depends on the market movement and limit order price. If a broker fails to fill an order, 10PPM will try again if the market conditions favor it. They won’t, however, chase the market just to fill a trade.

They do NOT recommend compounding and that’s where the individual’s level of greed needs to be in check. They suggest to keep all profits in your pocket instead of risking everything on every trade. Losses will happen and it’s better to have those wins in your account than to have all of it at risk.

The 10% Per Month name is catchy but it’s not a guarantee. It is their goal and if they fall short, it’s for conservative purposes. For one to assume they will hit 10% every single month, without losses along the way, and compounding to a billion dollars is not realistic. I’m well over 70% after commissions, losses, and missed trades since I joined. 30+% a year is VERY feasible with this service.

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mrmrkt
December 22, 2018 5:19 pm

The way the annual performance numbers are shown is extremely misleading. What they show is ‘average per trade’ per month, not ‘average on the portfolio’. For example if they have 5 losing trades in a month each losing 10%, they will show a monthly return of -10%!!! While in actually fact your portfolio would have been pummeled -50% in that month if you had had five equal weighted trades on the portfolio.
They have no concept of position sizing, portfolio positioning or a model portfolio, which are extremely important in what returns are realized on the portfolio. The monthly returns you see on the site is NOT what you would get if you were following their trades. To their credit however, they show the details of the trades too if you look further, and the ‘average per trade’ works in reverse also (they would show an ‘average’ 10% on one month even if they had 3 winning 10% trade), but the kinds of the trades they put on (credit spreads) are such that the max gains are capped at the initial credit (5-10%), but the max losses can be 100% (minus the initial credit).

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Evan Cranston
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Evan Cranston
January 11, 2019 2:59 pm
Reply to  mrmrkt

No matter how they show their results, someone will complain about it. For the exact reason you stated, they must show the average otherwise 3 winning trades at 10% will show as 30%. As a long-time subscriber, I can tell you that 10PPM does not recommend how much to trade with. This is up to you as you know your situation best. They make no suggestion to position sizing or portfolio ratio and leave that up to you so claiming that they have no concept of it is misleading and inaccurate.

Evan Cranston
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Evan Cranston
January 11, 2019 3:03 pm

Overall, a solid service. There are losses from time to time but investing is a marathon, not a sprint. You can’t expect to have a fortune after a few months or expect every trade to be a winner. Some complain about losses but it’s options trading, losses happen. All trades are shown on their site, including losses. They are very transparent. The long-term returns are what one should focus on. There are speedbumps along the way for everything but if the service can outperform every year even with those bumps, they’re doing a phenomenal job! Don’t cherry pick one or two losing months. Look at their performance over the years.

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jamessko
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January 16, 2019 8:54 pm

This type of trading system is best referred to as “picking up nickels in front of a steamroller”. You see a lot of ads from Agora about how somebody with no experience made $688 in 10 minutes in a coffee shop or whatever (selling naked puts, it turns out). These folks can rightly claim that 95% of their trades are winners, and you will still lose your shirt eventually. The 10PPM option strategy is not so risky as this, but it is the same idea, as the testimonial from schotanusc so clearly illustrates. Read Nassim Taleb’s “The Black Swan” for an excellent treatment of this subject, and ideas on how you might make money doing the exact opposite of what these folks are doing.

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Angela
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Angela
January 29, 2019 2:24 pm

Very professional with high praise to customer service. Whenever I have a question, they answer quickly and it is very personalized, not an automated canned response.

Majority of trades will succeed with rare losers mixed in. They make every attempt possible in closing out the losing trades. Sometimes a broker may not get it filled but that’s not under their control. My broker has been one to succeed and fail as well. I do not fault 10PPM for that. It’s just the market conditions at that time or my broker was slow. I currently use TDA and they do a pretty decent job in getting fills.

Rob cornish
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Rob cornish
January 29, 2019 3:46 pm

Essentially they lose a lot of money in three out of the 12 months of the year. And some of the losses per month a pretty steep anywhere from 20 to 40% so 10% a month is actually around 4%, which is good but it’s certainly not what they advertise. If you look at the month to month performance and put dollars to it the costs after commission and subscription fees or minor

Debra009
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Debra009
January 30, 2019 11:49 pm

Was thinking of signing up for this service but it appears that the losses might outweigh the gains beased on the comments posted here. How did they peform during the last 3 months especially from Nov 2018 to Jan 2019. I don’t mind selling puts but i only sell puts on stocks I would love to own

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jjbornwild
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jjbornwild
February 4, 2019 2:12 pm

Doing some basic math with their advertised returns data – it works out to be negative returns over the years!

Igor
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Igor
March 18, 2019 3:59 pm

More than 70% gain over the past 2 years. Not sure how some people do math.

Overall returns in the long run are great. Expecting wins each and every month is not realistic and real traders know losses will happen. Trying it for just a few months doesn’t do it justice.

Brad
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Brad
March 22, 2019 11:19 am

Straightforward service. Excellent results. Long-term play…can’t jump in and out or “give it a go” for just a few months. Losses will happen but will have positive outcome over long run.

jayg2020
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jayg2020
April 7, 2019 12:22 pm

Unless I am doing the math wrong, here are the calculations for each completed year 2014-2018 on their performance page at: https://www.10ppm.com/customer/customerMain.php?section=customer&step=performanceMonthly

For purposes of this example you would be putting the same amount of risk capital into each trade each month

2014 – Total Monthly Gains +66.8% – Total Monthly Losses (-25.7%) – Net Result +41.1% over 12 months which comes out to +3.425% per month

2015 – Total Monthly Gains +110.8% – Total Monthly Losses (-16.8%) – Net Result +94% over 12 months which comes out to +7.833% per month

2016 – Total Monthly Gains +65.5% – Total Monthly Losses (-47.2%) – Net Result +18.3% over 12 months which comes out to +1.525% per month

2017 – – Total Monthly Gains +70.3% – Total Monthly Losses (-36%) – Net Result +34.3% over 12 months which comes out to +2.858% per month

2018 – – Total Monthly Gains +117.2% – Total Monthly Losses (-62.3%) – Net Result +54.9% over 12 months which comes out to +4.575% per month

So assuming the math i did for the calculations above was done correctly — and outside of any year over year compounding of capital (If these were done in a Roth IRA account as an example–as opposed to a taxable regular brokerage acct) the average monthly gains over time appear to be much less than 10%. Also it is unclear whether the monthly performance figures at: https://www.10ppm.com/customer/customerMain.php?section=customer&step=performanceMonthly —- include average commissions being deducted or not

The following are all rounded up from the figures above
2014 – avg monthly return 3.43%
2015 – avg monthly return 7.84%
2016 – avg monthly return 1.53%
2017 – avg monthly return 2.86%
2018 – avg monthly return 4.58%

If we total all average returns of 5 years (2014 thru 2018) and divide by 5
the overall monthly return average over that time (using that math calc) is 4.048% which is approximately 60% less than 10% per month

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quill1000
quill1000
April 16, 2019 11:03 pm
Reply to  jayg2020

Interesting, thanks for the research effort. 4% + per month isn’t 10%, but it beats most money manager results that I’ve seen.

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Tim Sweeney
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June 17, 2020 6:35 pm
Reply to  quill1000

There are so many hundreds of Stock Gurus who claim they can double your money every month, or week, or day as the case may be. If it sounds to good to be true it isn’t.

Mike
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Mike
April 26, 2019 2:29 am
Reply to  jayg2020

To calculate the yearly return, you have to multiply the returns for the months (if you average them, you underestimate losses: a 50% loss has to be followed by a 100% gain just to break even). For example, the return for aug-oct 2014 (+10.7%, +7.8%, -19.5%) would be 1.107*1.078*0.805. Then, if the full year’s return is N, the compounded monthly gain is the 12th root of N, i.e. exp(log(N)/12).

Assuming I didn’t fat-finger my calculator:

2014: 1.262, 1.95%/mo (i.e. 26.2% gain for the year)
2015: 2.390, 7.53%/mo (woot!)
2016: 1.111, 0.8%/mo
2017: 1.327, 2.3%/mo
2018: 1.147, 1.15%/mo
2019 jan-apr: 0.9937, so currently down by 0.6% for the year

Jan 2014 – dec 2018 total gain: 5.100x, i.e. 38.5%/year, 2.75%/month.

For comparison, the S&P500 went from 1832 to 2510 over that period: 1.370, 6.5%/year, 0.526%/mo. Note that Jan 2014 – Dec 2018 happens to catch the S&P at a bad time (it had already risen before the start, and plunged at the end). It has also increased 16.6% since the start of the year.

So if you believe their performance figures (and, frankly, I don’t), they’re handily beating the S&P500, with 38% average gains per year (almost all of that in 2015). But nowhere near 10%/mo (which would more than double your money every year).

Why are their performance figures probably meaningless? They are “the average performance of all positions that were opened that month”, not the performance of their entire portfolio for a given month. Which means that the holding period could be much longer than a month (but all gains are credited to that month). Perhaps they haven’t yet sold any of the stocks they picked in 2015.

Cheers 🙂

xbnkrbrkr
June 29, 2020 11:47 am
Reply to  jayg2020

Great information. However IMO most new traders would be put off by the draw downs being as high as 18% per month based on sites 12 month history ending in Jun 2020. You must understand the law of averages and large numbers needed to obtain accuracy.
The best advice I could give if you want to know more about options and Iron Condors (or any type of options)check out Tasty Trade…it’s free with years of content and research backed recommendations. These guys built the Think or Swim platform.

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jedwards92886
jedwards92886
June 23, 2019 11:21 am

WHAT HAS THE HISTORICAL RETURN ON THIS NEWSLETTER AVERAGED 3 MONTHS, 6 MONTHS, 9 MONTHS, 1 YEAR & 3 YEARS?

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Tom
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Tom
November 19, 2019 11:17 pm

Has anyone used this service and placed any kind of hedge on the recommendations to reduce the drawdowns?

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