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Circular T336, Idaho’s “Wonder Vein” and the $2 Company Leading the “New Era of American Power”

Soliving Christian DeHaemer's Thorium Teaser Pitch

Christian DeHaemer has a new ad out about a revolutionary new form of energy that he says will net you massive gains thanks to a “wonder vein” energy discovery in Idaho.

It’s really not about this “wonder vein,” though — the discovery of this fuel in Idaho is perhaps a big deal for other companies who might develop mines in the future if demand for the material increases, but it’s about the potential customers for this fuel.

Which is a lot of talking around the point, right? Sorry, the short version is that DeHaemer is pitching a thorium company but not a thorium miner or anyone who actually owns any of that “wonder vein” in Idaho. Thorium is a potential nuclear fuel that is often touted as a way to reduce or eliminate problems of nuclear proliferation, waste disposal, and meltdown risk.

We’ll give you a little taste of the ad here to get you started:

“Classified report known as Circular T336 reveals new energy source that could net you $110,850 in two yearsโ€™ time

“Idaho’s game-changing “Wonder Vein” has remained buried for over 200 years… Now this confidential brief reveals the truth about the energy discovery that’s sending shock waves through the market

“Most residents of the U.S. Northwest only think of the Lemhi Pass as a pristine hiking destination.

“Yet what the residents of Idaho โ€” and most folks in America โ€” donโ€™t realize is that the Lemhi Pass has actually become a foothold in a billion-dollar energy initiative that could make you $110,850 richer over the next two years.

“And mind you, this has nothing to do with wind, solar, or geothermal energy… and it doesnโ€™t involve coal, natural gas, or even oil.

“Instead, American geologists and scientists have been hard at work on what amounts to the ‘Holy Grail’ of energy: clean, abundant, inexpensive, oil-less power.”

The ad is accompanied by lots of photos of the Idaho mountains that hide this store of thorium, but no one is currently trying to mine it as far as I can tell.

The thorium story has been an appealing one for a long time, and Orrin Hatch and Harry Reid tried a couple times to push through bills that would have pushed for more thorium reactor testing — both bills, in 2008 and 2010, died in committee, despite the fact that many enthusiasts continue to say we’re on the verge of the real “age of thorium” — the story was well summed up by rare earth elements guru Jack Lifton here, but that article is from 2009 and not a lot has changed to move thorium forward. At least in the US.

Here’s more from Christian DeHaemer, in case we lose our lust for the magic of thorium…

“Put simply, itโ€™s an element, first discovered in 1828 by a Norwegian priest who named it ‘thorium’ โ€” after the old-world god of thunder.

“One of the largest deposits of this element sits in America, right underneath the Lemhi Pass in Idaho.

“And as Circular T336 recently revealed, this thorium-rich plot of land has been dubbed the ‘Wonder Vein.’

“…. thatโ€™s exactly what this land holds โ€” in plentitude. 185,000 metric tons of it, to be exact.

“And the “Wonder Vein” isnโ€™t the only Idaho plot that holds excessive amounts of thorium, either.

“In fact, there are 218 other easily accessible veins spread across the Northern part of the state.”

Thorium has been talked up a lot, and for years, as a safer nuclear power source than uranium… and DeHaemer quotes a few of the fans who have mentioned it:

“Utah Senator Orrin Hatch recently weighed in on this matter, saying, ‘We have abundant domestic supplies of thorium… We certainly want to make sure it is a viable option in our nationโ€™s energy mix.’

“Ed Cowle, an expert in the mineral field, stated, ‘Thorium will prove beneficial to the future of nuclear energy, and through our work we know that the U.S. has a high-quality thorium reserve fully capable of meeting demand.’

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“And Bruce Blair of Global Zero (an initiative aimed at the elimination of nuclear weapons) labeled this new thorium surge as ‘the most promising innovation on the horizon for reducing the proliferation risk of a flourishing nuclear power industry.'”

The Hatch quote is from the most recent time he proposed legislation to push thorium, in 2010. Ed Cowle is the CEO of U.S. Rare Earths, one company trying to explore and possibly develop the reserves in the Lemhi Pass (more on them in a bit — no, that’s not the stock DeHaemer is teasing). DeHaemer also cited these quotes in a free article he wrote a few days ago about thorium.

And the big picture argument from the teaser pitch is this:

“And since it takes 200 tons of uranium to produce the same amount of energy as just a single ton of thorium… the cost implications are enormous.

“If you do the math, youโ€™ll find it takes nearly $2 million worth of uranium to produce the same energy that $72,560 of thorium can produce.

“Bottom line: thorium is 99.9% cheaper to mine than uranium.

“But perhaps the most staggering fact of all is this: Scientists have found that due to its vast availability, thereโ€™s enough thorium (as I mentioned earlier) to produce more energy than all of the worldโ€™s coal, oil, and power plants combined.”

No, there hasn’t been a global hunt for thorium reserves, nor a lot of bulk mining of the stuff — as far as I can tell few folks are spending money on finding or producing thorium at all, frankly, because no one has (as yet) been clamoring to buy it in mass quantities.

So perhaps it’s good that DeHaemer isn’t pitching a miner — here’s more on what he thinks you should buy:

“However, the big-time payouts wonโ€™t come courtesy of miners, exploration companies, or refiners like youโ€™re probably thinking…

“Actually, thanks to a just-awarded patent, thereโ€™s one small company thatโ€™s primed to pay out bigger gains than anyone โ€” up to $110,850 (if you get in early enough)….

“Patent #8XXXXX917
“A New Era of American Power

“Just recently โ€” in February of 2014 โ€” the U.S. government approved what has been described as ‘the single most important patent.’

“The patent in question was given the number 8XXXXX917, and it holds the key to changing how we view energy around the globe….

“… not only does this small, $2 company have all the thorium it needs… it also has the patent that secures its right to a leading technology that promises to revamp the way we supply the world with power.

“Thorium Technology = Pay Dirt
“And hereโ€™s the company thatโ€™s leading the way.”

So who is it? According to the Mighty, Mighty Thinkolator this is Lightbridge (LTBR), which has for a long time been the one company associated with thorium that’s not a miner. They specialize in consulting on nuclear power in general and, at least in the past, on next-era thorium reactors… though the word “thorium” isn’t featured very prominently on their website these days and they don’t usually mention it in their press releases.

Lightbridge is currently not focused on thorium to a great degree, from what I can tell, their commercial focus is on the next generation uranium fuel cell design that they think can feasibly be commercialized by 2020 — the design seems like it might apply both to thorium and to uranium, but presumably the thorium implementation is further off because the word “thorium” doesn’t come up in their latest investor presentation or factsheet.

The “secret” patent they were awarded earlier this year, by the way, is number 8654917 and you can see it here if you like.

Lightbridge’s priority seems to be continuing to renew their consulting agreements and get additional work in support services, they’ve had some success over the last few years in South Korea and in the Middle East in that regard and, more importantly, to keep advancing their materials testing with the goal of getting their fuel designs into a test reactor over the next several years, leading eventually, they hope to wide adoption of their fuel designs in existing reactors, which then would bring in royalties on the use of those designs.

Here’s how they put it in their last quarterly press release:

“As Lightbridge research and development activities increase over the next two to three years, the primary focus will be testing and demonstration of the Company’s metallic fuel technology for Western-type pressurized water reactors (PWR), he said. The main objective of this research and development phase is to prepare for full-scale demonstration of the Company’s fuel technology in an operating commercial PWR beginning in 2020.”

So 2020 is the optimistic take on any hope for future commercial-scale royalties — “research”, “development”, “testing” and “demonstration” are code words for “not making money for a while.” The stock shot up in value in February when their most important patent (according to them) was approved for their core fuel design, but they won’t be making any big revenue on that fuel design for many years as far as I can tell… that’s why it’s just a $40 million company even after the stock climbed recently to near $3 a share.

They don’t lose money all that quickly, with a burn rate of one or two million dollars per quarter these days, so they may not have to do anything super dramatic in the near future… but they don’t have much money in the bank, either — so they’ll need to either sell some more shares (something they’ve excelled at in a decade as a public and profitless company, going from about two million shares outstanding in 2005 to 15 million now without ever posting an operating profit) or make some deals that bring in cash faster than it flows out the door, and that will probably have to happen this year.

So… maybe the actual patent award will help spur things a little bit, and they are talking with Babcock and Wilcox about their joint plans to fabricate the fuel for testing, but it’s pretty hard to look at LTBR shares and see a need for urgency.

The one company really talking up the Lemhi Pass and future mining (or rather, reopening of mines — there were thorium mines in the area that closed down 40 years ago due to the lack of demand) is U.S. Rare Earths (UREE), which also happens to be a near-$2 company and similarly sized with a market cap of about $60 million. Can’t see any reason you’d want to own that one unless you see another bubble in rare earths stocks coming, from my quick glance nothing’s moving very fast with them.

And the company most recently teased as a thorium play (by the Oxford Club last year, which touted the wealth to come from the “junk metal” thorium), which we discussed at some length (and which led to a long debate about thorium among our readers) was MolyCorp (MCP), the one “real” producing rare earths company of any size in the U.S. They do have thorium reserves and can produce it alongside their rare earths, sure, but it seems unlikely that they’ll do so (or make any money at it) until there’s a real market for thorium fuel. Molycorp is a mess right now, with the equity collapsing and the need to raise more cash very soon… and with Leon Black rumored to be moving in to take the company over by buying up their debt.

Molycorp and U.S. Rare Earths are rare earths plays, really, and thorium is often found along with rare earths or uranium, and the prices of all of those commodities are falling — leading to the disastrous performance of MCP stock. So I’m glad DeHaemer isn’t pitching a thorium miner given the long lead time before there’s any real strong chance of people bidding up thorium stocks as a hot “story” and the longer lead time before any of them might make money.

But, frankly, I’m not all that thrilled about Lightbridge either — it’s got a good business model now, aiming to sell a fuel design into the existing U.S. reactor fleet that could turn into a pretty good business as it generates royalties for them… but the nuclear power business moves really, really, really slowly and the fact that they aren’t even hoping to have a commercial scale test of their fuel design for more than five years means it might be tough for them to keep investors happy for the next few years and leads me to say, “why now?”

I imagine lots of Gumshoe readers are rare earths or thorium enthusiasts, and perhaps there are some Lightbridge shareholders or researchers out there as well — so while I’m a bit pessimistic after my brief look, I’ll keep an open mind and wait to hear why folks are excited about LTBR or thorium… just use that happy little comment box below to share your thoughts.

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ArtE
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ArtE
July 9, 2014 3:00 pm

Road the LTBR bus when they were helping a Mideast country consider a nuclear power plant to help with desalination power needs. Never made a dime. They have a difficult sell until the world decides to get of the carbon trail and go back to nuclear energy.

Bob
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Bob
July 9, 2014 4:09 pm

MCP just plunged 17% today alone; there’s speculation that it will go bankrupt. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/09/why-molycorp-inc-stock-plunged-today.aspx

HENRY MARKANT
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HENRY MARKANT
July 9, 2014 4:49 pm

I researched thorium for my last book “Coming Crises” and discovered that Toshiba has produced “skid ready” (portable) thorium electric power plants and that a small city in Alaska had ordered one to be placed on line last year. It was also supposed to have a
huge market for powering ocean going ships that currently either keep their diesel
powered generators belching fumes while in port or hook up to coal burning electric
power plants (inland). Thorium generators were supposedly maintenance free for 30
years and created no spent fuel disposal problem. I found no mention of where they obtained their thorium. I bought some Toshiba shares as a result but it has gone nowhere.

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Dave
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July 9, 2014 7:40 pm
Reply to  HENRY MARKANT

: I consider thorium reactors (and particularly the LFTR designs) to be far more promising than pressurized-water uranium reactors, in both economic and safety aspects. They may also be better for non-proliferation (although I have read contrary assertions — not that they’re worse, but no better).

It matters little where Toshiba gets thorium; the stuff is widespread and plentiful. There seems to be an opportunity here with a substantial company (#145 in the Global 500) — that’s both good and bad. More stable, deeper pockets, but also harder to affect the bottom line a lot.

“I bought some (TOSBF) but it has gone nowhere.” Yeah, that seems to be their story. The stock crashed in 2000 and again in 2008. Today it’s a little lower than it was in 1996, although I’d rate the chart as “neutral”. And there appears to be no dividend, which I find surprising.

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Dave
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Dave
July 9, 2014 7:54 pm
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“TOSBF … no dividend” Correction: There’s a small dividend currently, looks like < 2%.

David Grumbling
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David Grumbling
July 10, 2014 1:50 am
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Dave—Why don’t you tell us what “company #145” is?
thanks,
David Grumbling

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Gary Fox
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July 9, 2014 6:53 pm

http://www.independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/dont-believe-thorium-nuclear-reactor-hype,4919

Not sure of veracity, presented for interest vis a vis the Toshiba comment.

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William F Tilson
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William F Tilson
July 9, 2014 8:59 pm

Very interesting article, Travis. The idea of a relatively low cost and much safer atomic fuel for power reactors is a compelling idea, and the fact that the post Bush43 House of Representatives let related bills die in committee twice just enhances my belief in the value of the whole concept – The House as constituted is not the brightest assembly of legislators with which we have ever been blessed – they are too busy being obstructionists to actually do anything that could benefit the country. On the other hand, I cannot believe even some carnival barker masquerading as an investment advisor would be touting Lightbridge based upon Thorium – especially with the “pie-in-the-sky” idea of making US$ 110,850 over the next two years – Lightbridge has a compelling patent and story, and there will be a fortune made on that play when Lightbridge starts converting the US naval nuclear fleet, but I do not think that is the story DeHaemer is selling – the pieces just do not mesh – there have to be more facts we just do not yet understand, Henry (above) has an interesting observation about Toshiba that seems to fit better than Lightbridge, and I think the key to DeHaemer’s story may be an unknown mining company in cahoots with Toshiba that can use Toshiba’s treasury to start buying mining concessions in Idaho. If that happens, Toshiba can even beat Lightbridge to the punch. The one thing I have learned in the last 50 years is that a group of motivated people can do damned near anything quickly if they have a reason and the resources.

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Rob
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July 10, 2014 1:46 pm

I think you should keep your politics off the site. The house is doing its best to prevent the collapse of this great nation.

John Harris
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July 11, 2014 1:06 pm
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Oh give me a break. This nation is not about to collapse any more than it would have under Bush or Clinton (when we actually had a surplus). You don’t have to be a left winger to realize the right wing of the house has tried to shut down the country repeatedly over the debt limit (which was absurd and stupid and hurt the country and the stock market) and to know that the republicans have said publically that their number one priority is and was to ruin Obama’s presidency, not to save the collapse of this nation. The nation would be far better if we had moderate republicans who would negotiate with the left but instead we have radical right wingers (tea party) that refuse to do the work of government at all who like spoiled children say if they can’t have it their way they will take their ball and go home. Just pathetic and as Mr Tilson correctly said, not the brightest bunch.

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bj
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July 11, 2014 6:03 pm
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NEGOTIATE!!!??? Obama and his Democratic Party sycophants negotiate ONLY Republican surrender to his “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the United States” policies.

carbon bigfoot
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carbon bigfoot
July 13, 2014 4:43 pm
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If we would get the government out of the way the Nuclear Business will eliminate the Bird Shredders and the money that is being pissed away trying to improve the outdated electrical grid.
Modular reactors have been on the drawing board for decades. The black hole of the NRC is stalling their approval. Fluor/Nucor and Mitsubishi have operating models and will be small enough to place in the country and suburban settings.
As long as this moron(s) is in office subsidizing crony capitalists nothing will be done to solve the looming energy crisis. This winter be prepared by having an emergency generator and carbon fuel storage or face freezing to death.
Don’t think it will happen –I lost a good friend of mine from a heart attack from working at the NJPADE power connect trying to balance load profiles and we came damn close to a full blackout last Winter.
As my Dad use to say while he was alive there isn’t a dime’s worthy of difference between a Republican or a Democrat. That’s why I am a conservative pragmatic engineer.

lockeptrv
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September 4, 2014 9:45 pm
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Tea Party! That’s me. Constitutional Conservative. Don’t feel ‘pathetic’ at all. LOL!!!

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Tim
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September 5, 2014 11:51 am
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Well whoever suggested keeping politics out of it was on the right track. I used to be a Democrat leaning independent after what I saw the Dumya and Greenspan do to our country and it’s economy. But it was not too long before it became apparent that Obama’s message for change was just political sloganeering. So Obama continues to lead is hardly the word, down the paths of destruction that the Dumya invented, precipitated and only partially explored. I can only be a Tea Party Empathizer as they hate me as much as the far left for genuinely not giving fig about birth control and the Right to Life/Choose issue. But Ron Paul showed us the way to relegate these social issues to the 10th amendment and he was mostly welcomed by the Tea Party. No one really cares that the national debt is going to top $30 Trillion by the time this crop of US Senators elected in Nov have their terms expire. Those in this Senate race are still proposing that entitlements can be fixed in “The Out Years”. But the imaginary SS disability fund will be bankrupt before they sit down to the second year congressional session. They will not have any out years fixes for that just a plan to rob the inmaginary SS pension Trust fund to make up the difference. Obama scare Obamscare adnauseum but no one is speaking against the Mediscam RX-D raid on the imaginary Medicare trust fund. Just more Bread with no taxes or spending off sets to pay for ever. The country is on a path for a cataclysmic collision of the unsustainable monetary policies egging on the Congresses to continue with unsustainable fiscal policies. But it is all about whose FEELINGS are most offended when we go to vote. Most of my Republican friends HAVE kept the health insurance they had and the Drs they liked. Go figure? Clearly Obamascare has to be eradicated BEFORE it becomes as popular as Mediscam Rx-D!

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quincy adams
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July 9, 2014 9:27 pm

From what l read, thorium is indeed widespread and plentiful. If Mr. DeHaemer prefers, there reportedly is a real “wonder vein” of already mined stuff not in Idaho, but buried somewhere in Nevada, care of our DOE.

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Michael Hullevad
July 10, 2014 5:58 am

Thorium is a winner, but it will be VERY long term. I have put a small amount in Lightbridge stocks recently (2 months ago), so far they have gone up 15-20%. The US Navy is buying “organic” fuel in spite of the very large price gap to mineral oil. It looks like there will be a shortage of uranium in the medium term. Converting to Thorium that is safer and a lot cheaper looks compelling. The chinese has also looked at thorium as a possibility. My best guess is 5-10 years! But if the financing comes up it will take off very quickly.

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Wayne Mognet
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July 10, 2014 11:08 am

I always find the info from this site to be credible and that is refreshing in our world today. The fact is that Thorium could have been used years ago but the political leaders and the Defense Dept. decided to go with uranium.
Today there is a company in New England that has been experimenting with Berillium Oxide and claims that is even better than Thorium.
The fact of the matter is that there are reactor fuels that are better than uranium. The agreement between the USA and Russia to supply the USA with uranium ended in Dec. 2013. Our country only produces about 4% of the nations need for uranium. This could now lead to an interesting situation for the USA because of the impending shortfall of uranium supply and our Governments view on mining. This is a subject we all need to try and keep informed on.

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Alan Harris
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July 13, 2014 8:56 am
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I always get nervous when someone says ‘ The fact of the matter……’ Is there a Thorium reactor working anywhere in the world, regardless of USA political leaders?

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Jose
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October 4, 2014 12:33 pm
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China is currently building one. There is a lot of people waiting to see how that goes…

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gard
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July 10, 2014 2:04 pm

We all ask ourselves why, if Thorium has been so promising for so long, hasn’t much been done. Even if it’s due to political incompetency in congress, there is still the rest of the developed countries with entrepreneurs, physicists and engineers that would progress the development of Thorium reactors. Haven’t done a lot of research into what the problem with thorium is, but it seems to be in sustaining the reaction, which is part of the story of why it is safer. As to uranium, I have speculated a little with USU(Loss) and URX(small gain). And thanks to Travis, (thank you Travis) Uranium is sold in long term contracts and is therefore, not very sensitive to Russian Treaties or mining output or other such nonsense. But it sure makes for good stories from investment newsletters. Uranium should only be an investment long term and thus its future is uncertain and so the stocks.

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sooku
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July 10, 2014 5:47 pm

India and China are staking their energy future on Thorium, but (1) they have huge reserves of their own, and (2) the Thorium demand per megawatt is only 1% that of Uranium. I don’t see how a vein in the ground can make us all rich ๐Ÿ™‚

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Gambini
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July 10, 2014 9:44 pm

I was born and raised in rural Midwest Ga. After a four year tour in the USAF I returned to that area. My Dad and my brother told me that a “drilling crew” showed up one day on our neighbor’s property (a corn field) just across the state hwy from our property. Our neighbor, now deceased, was told that they were there representing the US Govt to confirm the presence of uranium under his property. They did indeed drill and according to that crew, there is uranium. The “well” was capped and our neighbor was told to stay away from the site. He was also told that someone would come back in the future to harvest the uranium and that he would have no choice in the matter as well as no claim to ownership to the uranium, “it belongs to the US Govt”. Just saying, do we have more deposits of uranium than we’re told? Sorry about double spacing, can’t single space right now.

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Gambini
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Gambini
July 10, 2014 10:06 pm

Oh, I forgot, that activity took place in the mid 1960’s and to this day no one has shown up and the well is still capped. During that same time frame I was stationed at Pope AFB,/Ft Bragg NC and our C130s were very busy hauling Green Berets’ and 82nd Airborne troops to the French/Belgium Congo to secure the US position in relation to the uranium mines there. At least, that’s what we were told.

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vivian lewis
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July 12, 2014 8:57 am

my memory of that war was living in Brussels as a journalist and going to the airport where the survivors of various horrible Conglolese horrors had arrived and the man from CBS walking around amidst the women (and nuns) asking is there anyone here who has been raped and can speak English.
A big thorium enthusiast of British nationality is named Something Tickell. I met him at the UN where his father Crispin Tickell was British ambassador and he did talk up Thorium something fierce. It was a decade ago. Since then the Brits have welcomed more uranium power station construction. it must tell you something but I am not sure what

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fedwatcher
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July 16, 2014 2:22 am

Thorium is the future of Nuclear Power. However, mining for Thorium is not. Thorium was considered a waste product thus there are large amounts of Thorium buried as waste. There will not be a shortage of Thorium for many decades. North America has the Thorium and knows where to get it. Decades of supply exist.

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forme3d
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August 2, 2014 5:44 pm
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Correct. I am interested in LTBR for their design, consulting, licensing, etc., potential. There is Thorium buried in the Nevada dessert as a waste product as well (since the 50s). I had read th India and China were the ones developing Thorium based reactors because of their safety concerns….anyone hear anything specific on those countries efforts. I also heard the story about an Alaskan town working with Toshiba to create those mini Thorium based reactors…..I wouldn’t be surprise if these designs were being suppressed.

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fedwatcher
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fedwatcher
July 16, 2014 2:30 am

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lightbridge-added-russell-microcap-index-114007626.html

Problem is that money is flowing out of this space. When an ETF has an outflow and holds this, it sells. The fund does not discriminate and all members get hit. Thus Index Funds can hit individual stocks if the index losses favor.

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Nats
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August 23, 2014 6:58 pm

I enjoy your site Stockgumshoe a lot, besides learning from your researches Travis! I read even all the letters to you and the comments. Lucky me I discovered you stock Gum shoe.
Hooray to you Travis!

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John Loren
October 3, 2014 12:27 pm

What is New on this ?

Will
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Will
November 16, 2014 5:18 pm

Finally a source to unbiased results!

pumaro
December 29, 2014 5:29 pm

Is LTBR going to be delisted?

dougj34
dougj34
January 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Travis, How about a comment regarding recent moves LTBR has made. I agree this fuel is a long way off, I also believe what LTBR is doing will add a valuable energy resource that has far more benefit than energy alone. These guys appear to shake their heads at today/next week/the coming qtr and focus on what we need for more responsible future energy. LTBR has only 16.1M in the float, lots of room for responsible growth. I listened to the 11/12/14 Webcast, it was encouraging. I see LTBR as a stock to be long on, an opportunity to support change we will all benefit from.

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