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What’s that “August 28 ICO” pitch from Martin Hutchinson about?

Checking out the introductory "will be bigger than bitcoin and ethereum" ad for Crypto Alert from Agora Financial

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, August 15, 2017

“An entirely new digital currency will hit the net on August 28

“It will rapidly replace ALL current “crypto-currencies”… and then ring the funeral bell for the mighty U.S. dollar

“Profits on this new currency are completely uncapped (unlike Bitcoin)… and based on past modeling, I predict they’ll be 1,000 times higher than we’ve ever seen before

“Making this your ONE LAST chance to get in on the ground floor of the hottest market trend in more than 2,300 years… RIGHT NOW”

That’s the attention-getting promise from Martin Hutchinson’s pitch for his new Crypto Alert service with Louis Basenese, which is a fairly pricey ($3,000 one time fee, $199/yr maintenance fee) newsletter published by Agora Financial.

And I’ll warn you up front, I don’t know for sure which coin it is that Hutchinson is hinting at — though I’ll share a low-conviction guess with you after we roll through the clues.

The time is ripe for these kinds of pitches, of course, because we’ve seen cryptocurrencies skyrocket over the past year, even big ones like bitcoin and ethereum, and we’ve also gone from fewer than 100 cryptocurrencies a year ago to more than 1,000 now, with dozens more being launched each month as new developers try to get in on the frenzy or add something to the blockchain/altcurrency/cryptocurrency marketplace.

Hutchinson also claims credit as an expert on cryptocurrencies, partly as a result of the article he coauthored for the Cato Journal a couple years ago. He says that he “won’t bore you with all the technical details” of that article, perhaps partly because the article was entitled “Bitcoin Will Bite the Dust,” but I thought it was worth reading (and he has backtracked some from that assertion of late).

That article did wisely point out one of the problems of Bitcoin, the reliance on that network of miners to validate Bitcoin transactions, and the extent to which economies of scale (and an arms race in computing power) would pressure the system:

“Despite its success, the Bitcoin system is unsustainable due to a design flaw at the very heart of the system. The problem is that Bitcoin requires competition on the part of “bitcoin miners” who validate transactions blocks, but this competition is unsustainable in the long run because of economies of scale in the mining industry. Indeed, these economies of scale are so large that the bitcoin mining industry is a natural monopoly. Furthermore, there are signs that competition in this industry is already breaking down. Once that happens, the system will no longer be able to function as it hitherto has. Its key attractions (decentralization, absence of a single point of failure, and anonymity) will disappear; there will no longer be any reason for users to stay with it; and the system will collapse.”

And there’s some interesting info in the conclusions as well, here’s part of the sum-up about bitcoin:

“Even in the unlikely event that it survives into the medium run, we would still rate its longer-term chance of survival as zero. First, we should remember that a recurring theme in the history of innovation is that the pioneers rarely, if ever, survive. This is because early models are always flawed and later entrants are able to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors. There is no reason why Bitcoin should be an exception to this historical rule. The second reason is that in the very long run bitcoin would be uncompetitive against efficient closed-wall systems such as PayPal or COEPTIS, the successor to e-gold. Once the production of bitcoins becomes insignificant, then the Bitcoin system will entirely depend on transaction fees to cover its operational costs, and its fee levels would be higher than those of more traditional payment systems because of the need to maintain excess hashing and excess capacity to deter new entrants into the transaction validation business. Put differently, Bitcoin can never achieve the technical economic efficiency of competitors that can operate with a very small number of servers, or even just one. In the very long term, when there are no new bitcoins being produced to subsidize the validation process, the Bitcoin system will no longer be able to compete.20 Last but not least, there is still the problem that Bitcoin is not backed by anything.”

That doesn’t mean anything about the near-term value of an asset that is traded based almost entirely on sentiment and momentum, of course, and it doesn’t really give great insight into the immediate prognosis for any of the other cryptocurrencies — bitcoin was trading between $200-$250 at the time that article was published, during the doldrums following the first real run in bitcoin prices in the years previous (and many of the first wave of “me too” cryptocurrencies had already lost 99% of their value), and it recovered sharply over the following year and, as we now know, went almost parabolic in 2017 as the bitcoin price surged from $1,000 to $4,000.

Let’s get back to the ad…

“When you see teenage hackers with backward baseball caps start getting clued into the same exact tipping point as gray-beard economists with silk ties… and Silicon Valley venture capitalists… and Wall Street investment bankers…

“Even ordinary Americans like Jared Kenna (a beer brewer who made more than $30 million trading Bitcoin). Or Charlie Noble (who revealed to CNBC that a fellow Ethereum trader made a 300,000% gain in less than a minute).

“That’s when know that something must be about to happen.”

That scares the heck out of me, mostly because it’s the same thing that drove sentiment during the internet bubble in 1999 — and, frankly, that drives most bubbles: “We’re all making money because we’re all making money!” When a cab driver gives you stock tips about the next internet sensation in 1999, that’s scary… when the waitress talks up the twelve houses she bought with no money down in 2005, that’s frightening… and when the high school kid who mows your lawn tries to convince you to buy the latest initial coin offering for a new cryptocurrency in 2017, I can’t help but feel that same twinge of fear.

Sometimes, as we know, the “something” that “must be about to happen” is a big old slap in the face as reality hits all at once.

Reality might not hit, of course, or it it might not hit anytime soon, I don’t know — many of the pundits persist in predicting that the next debt ceiling showdown will drive the prices of cryptocurrencies higher, as arguably happened during the first bitcoin surge a few years back, but that’s clutching at a rational reason for things that have already increased by thousands of percent, in some cases, for no real reason. Maybe it will happen — the cryptocurrencies do tend to react to crises like gold does, at least recently (as in, they rose during North Korea fear last week, and fell during the return of North Korea complacency this week), so you can place your bets where you like regarding the next possible dollar crisis this Fall (or whatever the next crisis du jour might be).

What Hutchinson seems excited about here is the potential for this alt-currency market to become a “winner take all” arena… where, naturally, he’ll have chosen the winner:

“You’re talking about a toll-booth for every single transaction that happens, every single second, all around the world. And it’s all no sweat, because there are NO physical barriers whatsoever to one currency dominating ALL of it. And FAST….

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“… the whole point of a currency is that it becomes the standard that all other transactions are measured by.

“Again, winner takes all.

“That’s why your grandchildren won’t use ‘dollars’ to describe a big score.

“No, they’ll use the name of the coin being issued in this historic ICO…

“How do you make the best investment opportunity of the 21st century 1,000 times better? Just add a few more zeroes…”

The big pitch is that bitcoin and ethereum have been huge winners, but that this next coin offering will supplant both of those and the US dollar and become a ridiculous profit-maker… more from Hutchinson:

“… what’s even more amazing here…

“Is that there are still so many more zeroes on the table, by getting in on this next big ICO.

“Remember, if I’m correct that this ultimate digital currency will replace not only Bitcoin and Ethereum, but also the U.S. dollar itself.”

He even includes a chart that indicates the total potential for this initial coin offering is the “total value of all physical currencies” … so we can’t fault him for a lack of ambition.

And, yes, he does include the stipulation that this probably won’t happen:

“So let’s be real – turning a few hundred bucks today into the sum of all the money in the world is not going to happen for you. You are not going to literally make a trillion dollars from this ICO trade.

“Obviously you’ll need to set your sights lower than that.

“All I’m trying to demonstrate is how BIG this revolution in the world’s currency use could become… because this theoretically could all happen over the long run.”

The big sum-up:

“Because in the long run, only ONE NEW CURRENCY will become the STANDARD. (Just like the dollar did in the 20th century.)

“My research convinces me it will be THIS one. And the thing is, when I say ‘long run’ here, I don’t mean a century.

“I’m talking months, or even weeks.

“I know, that’s extremely unlikely.

“But we’re talking about history here. And the one lesson we’ve learned from history, across thousands of years, is that things do not stay the same. And when they do change – it always happens much, much faster than conventional wisdom says it should.”

So what is the actual ICO that Hutchinson is talking about here? I can’t claim to be much of an expert on the intricacies of all the different cryptocurrencies (though I do own small chunks of bitcoin, ethereum and litecoin), but let’s see if he drops enough clues for us to throw some guesses on the table for you:

“In an uncapped ICO, the early investors buy as much as they want. And then in the weeks, months, and years after the ICO, further production of the coin is sensibly limited to avoid inflation.

“Which means if the coin is in high demand, its price will then go through the roof!

“That’s why I’ve been searching carefully over these past few years for an ICO with totally uncapped profits….”

OK, I guess that makes some sense. You want the ICO price to be low enough and the future coin generation to be low enough that you stand a better chance of making money. That’s just logic, though, and there isn’t any one rule about how you price an ICO (since, for most cryptocurrencies, there’s no “there” there — there’s nothing on which to base a valuation).

“Since Bitcoin hit the scene in 2009, digital currencies have been something like a Catch-22 for investors:

“The MORE reliable coins tended to have capped profits

“And the LESS reliable coins tended to have uncapped profits

“There just wasn’t a great choice for traders.

“Until now.

“… that all ends on August 28, when this new uncapped ICO takes off.

“Why I’m staking my entire career on this ONE digital coin… predicting that it will RAPIDLY replace both Bitcoin and the U.S. Dollar… and digging into my own wallet to make this effectively FREE for the first 199 readers who take me up on it today….

“I’m putting all of my chips down on ONE new coin, and declaring it the swift & final WINNER of the digital currency wars.”

OK, so that’s certainly a bold statement. Which is what you have to make if you’re trying to get someone to pony up $3,000 when they don’t know you from Adam. Any other clues?

“I don’t want to bore you with the specifics, but the way this entirely new kind of currency works is that it puts a tiny fragment of code on millions of computers all around the world.

“And each of those computers has a different fragment of the code.

“Put them all together, and the amount of computer muscle devoted to securing this system equates to more electric power than the entire states of Nebraska, Delaware, and New Hampshire use.

“More than 19.23 terawatt-hours in total.”

OK, as a non-expert that pretty much sounds like most of the other clues in the ad — like it could apply to almost any cryptocurrency, all of which (as far as I’ve seen) rely to some degree on a distributed network of computers verifying transactions and monitoring the security of the blockchain. That is, after all, the point of the blockchain, that you have a distributed system where security rests on so many people’s shoulders that it’s almost guaranteed.

More from Hutchinson:

“The strongest mathematical models in the world imply that it would be impossible for this new type of security algorithm to be broken.

“This makes the new digital currency in this Aug. 28 ICO more stable than the dollars in your pocket – where we’re one Janet Yellen ‘taper’ or Donald Trump ‘tweet’ away from total mayhem.”

And one more clue:

“… the technology behind this new ICO even allows for the creation of ‘smart contracts,’ so that free people can make business deals without any lawyers, or brokers, or bankers, or regulators involved whatsoever.”

That was a big part of the selling point of ethereum, that it was effectively more of a programming language than just a transactional blockchain-controlled currency and could incorporate smart contracts and all kinds of other useful tools… and lots of other coins or tokens or cryptocurrencies or whatever you want to call them offer this kind of function as well.

So does that get us any closer to our answer? Not really. The clues are all generic and could apply to pretty much any cryptocurrency, particularly since so many of the new ICOs are based on ethereum and have that blockchain’s access to smart contracts… and the limitation of time could be pointing to one of the dozen or so ICOs that have been announced or are underway as of the end of August, or to the need to inspire immediate action for possible newsletter subscribers in an artificial deadline, or a coin offering that is underway and might end as early as August 28 if there’s a lot of demand.

There are dozens of possible ICOs that could match these clues that are now open or will be open soon, you can browse them at places like ICO Alert or TokenMarket or CoinSchedule, though there are plenty of others that have slightly different data.

And I don’t see any sign of one that stands out in those lists, frankly. So… I’ll throw out a guess based on what I’ve read of Martin Hutchinson’s work over the years… my guess is that he’s pitching what he has often talked about wanting: a secure, possibly anonymous cryptocurrency that’s backed by gold, and there is one such service that’s currently in the “ICO” phase and has a fixed token price so won’t inflate away the gains with ICO overbidding, (though they don’t use the term ICO): OneGram.

OneGram could easily not be the one he’s actually recommending, of course, this is very much a guess — and this one is a bit atypical in the cryptocurrency world, partly because it has its own blockchain instead of being built on bitcoin or ethereum’s blockchain (most new coins are based on ethereum), but they do say that their blockchain is based on successful parts of bitcoin and other systems.

OneGram is essentially a way to buy expensive gold and get an uncertain cryptocurrency for your trouble — they indicate that each coin is backed by a gram of gold, and that you buy the coin with gold (using their own brokerage only, GoldGuard, and after adding a premium/fee of something like 10%). They say that they will finish the token sales when they hit their limit or in about 38 days, but at this point they’ve sold about 2/3 of the available tokens so they may well hit the limit around August 28, I have no idea.

I also don’t know anything about GoldGuard, or what other fees they might charge. The appeal here, as I understand it, is that they will try to turn this into a real cryptocurrency that is used for transactions, and that the transaction fee they charge (2% or so, presumably) will be rolled back into the asset base, adding marginally more gold to the value of each OneGram token over time. Assuming, of course, that there are a meaningful number of transactions.

And the promise, which is appealing, is that the downside is limited because of that gold backing — since they actually have the gold in a vault somewhere, the coins are not likely to trade for a lot less than the value of the gold they represent… so perhaps if gold goes up in value and a gram is worth twice as much in a year as it is today, your token will rise in value as well.

I can see the appeal of that, but I have no idea how the market will take it. The only real point in trading in these wild west cryptocurrencies, unless you want to make it your life’s work to really become an expert on all the underlying technology and pick winners and losers (I’m not qualified for that, perhaps you are), is that they might surge by 1,000% and reward you amply for the risk you’re taking… so will this seemingly lower-risk gold-backed currency end up rising less because the price of gold acts more as an anchor than a foundation… or will crazy cryptocoin traders bid it up regardless of the underlying gold value? You’d need a couple PhD’s in psychology to predict how it will play out, I expect, and even then you’re guessing.

OneGram is also, by the way, a project based in the Middle East and backed by some big investors there, with the focus of their launch as a transactional currency likely to be the various Gulf emirates… and the currency is designed to be Sharia compliant as a gold-backed investment, though I don’t really know whether all Muslim cryptocurrency investors are likely to draw the line at the same place OneGram has. I don’t know if that will make a difference or not in their effort to launch and gain some traction. OneGram’s website is here, should you wish to research it further, and it includes a typical (though quite short and detail-light) “whitepaper” descriptive commentary as well as a link to token sales, which go through Gold Guard.

So… that’s all the guesses I have for you on that front, I don’t see an obvious candidate for an ICO that’s currently being offered that has the potential to unseat bitcoin or ethereum, which are the established brands, (and the currencies by which many of those new currencies are valued), but I’m also pretty skeptical about the whole idea… I love the idea of the blockchain, it has the potential to be as powerful as the world wide web or email in terms of transformative technologies for the Internet, but I don’t see a way in which any current cryptocurrency holders really “own” that technology in a meaningful way, and it’s really a wild west R&D project — the only real world business that’s important in the world of cryptocurrencies right now is the business of creating and selling new cryptocurrencies.

Cryptocurrencies matter, and maybe they’ll be part of the solution of our constantly depreciating national currencies or the inflation explosions that destroy economies from time to time, but that doesn’t mean I can come up with a reasonable logical answer to the question “what should bitcoin (or ethereum, or any of the others) be worth today?”

And if I can’t at least guess at an answer to that question using a sharpie and a bar napkin, I’ve got no business putting much money at risk in it. Perhaps if you trust the OneGram folks and wade through the fees and think it will be worthwhile there’s some “value” underlying that token thanks the gold backing, but, well, on that front I’m just as happy owning an actual gold coin. I’ve held some cryptocurrencies for a few years, in relatively small amounts even after they’ve surged by 1,000% or so (they would make up about 3% of my equity portfolio if they were stocks), so I don’t think they’re pointless and I do think they’re worth following… I just can’t get past the fact that I can’t put a reasonable price on them, so that keeps me from getting my feet any wetter than they already are. I won’t be buying any OneGram, but perhaps I’ll pick up another gold coin.

Curmudgeonly? Dimwitted? Missing the boat? I’ve had much worse yelled at me across the cyberseas… what do you think about the cryptocurrencies? have a favorite new one that you think other folks should get excited about, or that you think Martin Hutchinson is peddling? Think they’re all junk? Love or hate your bitcoin or ethereum or ripple or steem or whatever? Let us know with a comment below.

P.S. Things have gotten crazy enough with the deluge of ICO’s that the SEC stepped in with a warning letter… and also clarified that these coins are generally classified as securities and shouldn’t be sold willy-nilly without regulation or oversight or licensing (OK, they used different words than that) — you might want to check out their letter here, beyond putting some worthwhile fright into the mind of potential speculators, which is healthy, it also gives a decent overview of the ICO world and explains some of the terms pretty well.

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bludolphint
August 24, 2017 9:14 pm

Your thought on OneGram sounds quite close. If I were interested in that area, I would rather go with the one Peter Schiff has just gotten involved with, (I think he bought part of the Company) It is called GoldMoney, and he suggested that it had far more appeal than a regular Crypto. It sound better as well, because you are basically setting up a checking account backed by gold that you transfer your cash into, or trade your bitcoins for gold at the regular price of gold when you transfer. I just remembered- Schiff merged the company he started; SchiffGold into GoldMoney because he said it was set up so well it was better than his. They even give you a GOLDMastercard to make all your purchases with it or pay your bills. This has been out for a while so it doesn’t jive with August 28. Anyway that is my 2 cents worth, or maybe that’s 2 grams worth.

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gristinvest5
August 24, 2017 9:23 pm
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the farad coin is backed by energy and an actual company.

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August 25, 2017 6:47 pm
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Goldmoney.com is great. I’ve been a client with them for over a year. Great platform. As blu.. mentioned not classified as a “crypto” not on the blockchain. OneGram IS on the blockchain, however the “fees” are very high.

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Fred Pulver
August 24, 2017 10:48 pm

I suspect it may be Utrust.io, except that USA citizens are barred. Any ideas, comments or suggestions?

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August 25, 2017 9:38 am
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Fred-if you have a wallet with any exchange i have seen. When you go to the utrust website where they list the address to send tokens etc, you go to your exchange, enter the address and click send…you bought it. Just about every ICO i have seen says NOT FOR SALE TO US INVESTORS. Due to SEC regs etc. But it doesn’t prevent you from buying it…..but buyer beware, many perils exist etc. Once you click send, your tokens are gone. Many phishing scams exist, thieves are mirroring websites and facebook pages and substituting phony ether address’s etc. Enter the exact address on your browser, then bookmark it…..never follow a link that opens the page etc. You may get robbed, if so the SEC says we told you so etc.

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August 25, 2017 9:48 am
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If you use Coinbase and are a US citizen and only participate a small amount of money, do you stand a risk being a US citizen? I have never done this and want to know if I buy some coins in an ICO and do it the safe and careful way, do I get in trouble? Lose the money?

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jimbo16
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August 25, 2017 4:59 pm

Coinbase is a US based exchange, as far as i know they are fully regulated and licensed etc. Their website says your crypto is held in segregated accounts, any US Dollars on deposit are held in US Banks therefore insured by the FDIC. Soooo bottom line is you won’t be in any trouble, they even conveniently have a tax preparation feature now. Problem is one can only buy BTC, ETH and LTC….you cannot buy ANY of the new ICO’s. You would only be able to participate in a new offering by sending your crypto to something like myetherwallet and shapeshifting into whatever you are buying. I can only advise caution Phillip, open an account first, see how this works, buy the main tokens they sale and listen, learn….much knowledge is necessary to play with the ICO market, scams and phishing attacks are the norm, not the exception.

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mrabinof
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August 25, 2017 5:14 pm
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the video on the following Fortune Magazine page shows the promise of blockchain, vs. the article shows the massive risks with crytocurrencies that haven’t been worked out, daily thefts even from Coinbase, so use the protections mentioned at the bottom of the article to protect your crypto-money
http://fortune.com/2017/08/22/bitcoin-coinbase-hack

Also, the following shows the Wild West nature of some ICOs (buyer beware), so do your due diligence and think about buying into ICOs led by solid experienced teams with a winning business record
https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMarkets/comments/6vez4x/has_anyone_tried_contacting_the_team_directly/?st=j6pvg1dz&sh=bbfe8463

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Dwayne
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August 25, 2017 10:25 am
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Jimbo – a couple exchanges I have seen say something like “do not send coins directly to an ICO or crowdsale”. Is that just a general type of warning to be aware of scams? Or is that a hard and fast rule that if you do, you will lose your coins? Thank You.

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jimbo16
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August 25, 2017 4:39 pm
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Most of the ICO’s i bought involved sending tokens via myetherwallet where tokens were shapeshifted if you know what that is. I have even had bitcoin sent to myetherwallet and shaped into ether which were for ICO’s on the etherium blockchain…most of these are using smart contracts that run on etheriums blockchain anyway. One exception is EOS as the ICO runs a year until june 2018 and funding is i think intentionally difficult, but i am accumulating tokens via an Exodus wallet….you can shapeshift many crypto (with many more being added) into whatever floats your boat…Exodus is cool as you can view the blockchain in action and see first hand how ong a transaction takes etc. I have seen bitcoin take 1-3 hours (prefork) while litecoin is real quick.

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Dwayne
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August 25, 2017 7:32 pm
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Sorry, I hate to be so obtuse, but I basically didn’t understand anything you just said. Shapeshifting? Geez, I haven’t heard of that since 1970s sci-fi movies. Maybe this is a REALLY stupid question, but how can anyone expect crypto to go mainstream if it is so darn difficult to execute?

So, let me ask again in a little different fashion…………if I want to participate in an ICO that takes either Bitcoin or Ethereum, can I do so by transferring BTC or ETH from a Coinbase account directly to the ICO or Crowdshare site? Or use another platform like, say Bittrex to do so? Thanks for your patience.

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jimbo16
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August 25, 2017 8:44 pm
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You are correct dwayne, it is a little complicated. From your coinbase account (they give you the address and details, mostly) you send to myetherwallet or a similar destination. Once it is transferred it can be shifted (the service is called “shapeshift”) into whatever token is needed to exchange for the new token or offering. Once the ICO is completed they deposit the new tokens in myetherwallet. At that time they tell you what exchanges will accept the tokens. At some point in time later other exchanges will accept them also (with some luck) understand the odds of any of these ever being listed or accepted by coinbase is slim to none but you mention bittrex and they take dozens of tokens or crypto. Hope that clears things a little.

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Dwayne
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August 25, 2017 9:41 pm
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Yes sir. It does help a lot. Next question – can a wallet store any type of token and more than one type at a time? Like the 3 from Coinbase and any of the various ones supported by Bittrex?

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jimbo16
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August 25, 2017 10:54 pm
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No way, everyone lists what they store or trade. as you know coinbase supports 3 only, exodus provides this list of current and pending athttp://support.exodus.io/article/96-exodus-wallet-roadmap

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Dwayne
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August 26, 2017 9:45 am
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Ok. What I still don’t get is — you said previously “Once the ICO is completed they deposit the new tokens in myetherwallet.” But if your wallet does not support the coin from the ICO, how can anything from the ICO be deposited into your wallet?

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August 25, 2017 11:30 pm
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Some wallets are single crypto, some many more. Jaxx,io, for example, has 16 cryptos, but some are not very mainstream yet. BTC.com has bitcoin and bitcoin cash tokens only. Abra.com, is only bitcoin, but it is an easy way to get USDs into play…easy convert to BTC (bitcoin)…but you can only have either fiat currency or bitcoin…not both at the same time.

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Bob Snelgrove
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August 26, 2017 2:35 pm
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jim,

I’m very new to this and have opened a coinbase account and bough $50 of BTC. I also signed up with Utrust but don’t know how to buy tokens on Monday.
Do I need a “wallet” or can I use the $50 BTC at coinbase?

thx

bob

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Dwayne
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August 26, 2017 11:38 am
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Exodus is great. Very easy to use – even for a novice like me. Thank You! Looks like there is a great opportunity for some crypto genius to figure out how to be able to store any and all coins / tokens in ONE wallet. Once it gets to that level of sophistication and ease, it would be much easier for the mainstream to adopt it.

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August 26, 2017 10:35 pm
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That company you’re talking about is PILLAR – they had their ICO last month (.10 cents) it’s now about .13 cents now – Great company and and ceo – Mr. David Siegle – Their wallet will be coming out soon (in stages)… – this will be a money maker to buy their tokens. Just search for PILLAR. IMO

Random
August 26, 2017 8:41 am
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The reason is just that exchange wallets are set up for trading between currencies, deposits and withdrawals; they aren’t set up for anything more complex than that.

For example, many ICOs require you to send an ether payment to a particular address, and tokens are then issued in return to the address from which the ether were sent. The exchanges don’t typically offer fully-fledged etherium wallets that allow you to handle tokens, so if you were to pay the ether directly from an exchange then the second half of that ICO process wouldn’t work.

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Dwayne
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August 26, 2017 9:48 am
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Thank you. But how can tokens be issued to the address from which the payment is sent if the wallet you sent payment from does not support the new ICO coin?

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August 27, 2017 5:08 am
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Because the new ICO coins probably operate on Etherium, so they could be placed in the wallet along with Ether – but the wallet would tell the difference because it is programmed to accommodate non-Ether, Etherium coins. Coinbase will let you buy Ether and place it in its Etherium wallet – and you can make payments from that wallet but it will not accept ANY coins that are not Ether. Coinbase only trades Bitcoin, Ether or Litecoin and that’s it.

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August 27, 2017 8:20 am
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Something like 9 of 10 of these ICO’s are running on the etherium blockchain, buyiug ERC20 tokens. When the offering is complete your ether via myetherwallet is exchanged for the new token….see VERI as classic example. Don’t think coinbase will accept it or allow you to trade it but the more exchanges that do accept it the better as more liquidity and coverage. Any one seen the empirecoin white paper?

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August 25, 2017 12:06 pm
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Can not find where to buy tokens on site. Anybody know where?

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August 25, 2017 11:31 pm
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Dman…you need to give some more details…which site and/or which tokens?

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August 27, 2017 12:24 am
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Go to this link https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD and then go to the platform and click on the “join the revolution” they will give you an account with 50 mUTN, with a ‘checker’ either on facebook or gmail. That’s it. If you take their mini tokens you are connected. Wait for further instructions.

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August 25, 2017 6:58 am

It 2 days before the “launch” of August 28th

Has a definite name been established for the mystery ICO ?

Is it 100% CORION ?

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August 26, 2017 8:31 am
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Just got another Agora solicitation for the August 28th ICO. I think the key is this line in the middle of the pitch, “That’s what REVOLUTION means. It means history can happen so fast that your head spins around”. If you go to the Universa site https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD#_=_ and go to the platform you are invited to “join the revolution”. They are looking to raise $50 to $100 million on 30 million tokens. So a price of $1.65 to $3.33 each. $100 million is a lot for an ICO this vague – so I’m pretty sure this doesn’t close in a day.

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August 29, 2017 3:21 pm
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Pretty sure Universa is NOT the crypto that Agora was hyping, but we all stumbled across it looking for it. I don’t have the Bitcoin to participate in the pre-ICO, so I’ll wait for the ICO. As Shatner used to say, “its going to be big!”. If you want the link to pre-ICO and 50 free mUTN tokens ( = .05 UTN – a plug nickel?) go to this link https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD#_=_ Good luck to us all!

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August 25, 2017 9:49 am

Is utrust a safe buy does anyone have a comment?

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August 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Is any ICO safe…humm buyer beware is the best answer. As far as an opinion, here is mine….i have looked at utrust.io a couple times and almost pulled the trigger. The promise is basically a credit or debit card using crypto, there are many (5-6) new offerings in this space so it is getting crowded. Best guess is 1 or 2 will dominate before it is done. Someone previously posted they paid the newsletter fee and this is what it was but i am not positive, neither is travis.

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August 25, 2017 6:24 pm
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Based on ALL of the info / research – I know it’s Universa https://check.universa.io/-9xWtQH#

the CEO is rock-solid (just look for yourself) its the ONLY ICO that fits the description of the ICO (aug 28) As it’s “cheaper and 10,000x faster than bitcoin AND ethereum. I’m IN – 90% of my allocated funds (for this ICO article) will go into Universa and to play it safe… 10% to ChronLogic (it looks promising) No way can it be Corion – (respectfully) . And I feel HelloGold and Aholee have promise (but they’re not the ICO mentioned in the article. Time will tell – Your thoughts? I’m looking for some to “Poke-Holes” in this. But Universa is truly the best match!

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August 25, 2017 6:39 pm
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So, how do you get “IN” on the ICO? I can find NO website that covers ICO’s showing this on their list. What source did you find the ICO date?

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August 27, 2017 12:28 am
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PNGento, Go to this link https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD and then go to the platform and click on the “join the revolution” they will give you an account with 50 mUTN, with a ‘checker’ either on facebook or gmail. That’s it. If you take their mini tokens you are connected. Await further instructions. I’m thinking 12:01 am on Monday.

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August 25, 2017 7:08 pm
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How do we “buy in” to Universa? I clicked your link but “sundog88” shows up. Affiliate link, I hope not?

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August 25, 2017 7:31 pm
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They sent out a link to access the site….use that link or any other link. Many to most of the ICO’s have referral links. The pre-ico does not start till Aug 28th.

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August 25, 2017 7:36 pm
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Thanks, Completely new to this so I’ll just follow you guys 🙂

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August 26, 2017 8:55 am
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It says that 30% of the ICO will be distributed from the Universa platform – so as long as you signed in and got your 50 milli tokens = .05 UTN (a plug nickel?), you are in the loop.

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August 26, 2017 9:56 am
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I have gone to the site several times and cannot find a link to sign in and get the UTN. What browser did you use? What’s the trick?

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August 27, 2017 12:29 am
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Go to this link https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD and then go to the platform and click on the “join the revolution” they will give you an account with 50 mUTN, with a ‘checker’ either on facebook or gmail. That’s it. If you take their mini tokens you are connected. Wait for further instructions.

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August 26, 2017 1:25 pm
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August 25, 2017 9:24 pm
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So, how do we buy Universa? Only if you have a bitcoin account?

thx

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August 27, 2017 12:36 am
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That might not be as tricky as I once thought. I had recommended joining an exchange like Coinbase or Kraken – but having played around with Universa sample it seems like it has a built in exchange on the platform. That is going to make it very unpopular with the moneychangers in the digital temple! As I mentioned before they want to raise $100 Million, quickly. I’m thinking they are going to be VERY accomodating. Still think you need a wallet, though so go to myetherwallet.com or add the coinomi app to your smartphone.
If you haven’t already, go to this link https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD and then go to the platform and click on the “join the revolution” they will give you an account with 50 mUTN, with a ‘checker’ either on facebook or gmail. That’s it. If you take their mini tokens you are connected. Wait for further instructions.

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August 26, 2017 5:04 pm
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I think you guys all got it wrong. I think its going to be Empirecoin (Emcoin) with only a 1 minute blocktime. Thats where Im putting my money on anyway.

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August 27, 2017 5:44 am
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Have you been to their website? Amateur hour! “Our Advisors” and then three blank spaces with “prof.” underneath each. “Sponsors” and then four blank spaces. The CEO has no picture but the other three team members are very African with very African names. I swear I felt like I was looking at the cryptocurrency version of the Nigerian Prince scam! What Was really Annoying was the Inconsistant capitalizing Of their Text. Go to Emcoin.net and tell me I’m lying!

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August 27, 2017 8:41 am
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I agree 100% aqrobles, i would score it a 2 in 10 at best.

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August 27, 2017 8:39 am
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You are 100% correct Leo, the author of the pitch is listed on the website.

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August 27, 2017 5:12 am
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ChronLogic. “Time will tell” – I saw what you did there.

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Marwa
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August 25, 2017 6:33 pm

I guess the ICO pitched has to do with decentralized internet. It is more likely to be blockstak. See the email I received today which make think in that direction.

https://blockstack.org/videos/reason-tv-blockstack-a-new-internet-that-brings-privacy-property-rights-to-cyberspace

The “Blackest of Swans”
Can cryptocurrencies destroy Google’s virtual monopoly over the internet?…
An internet “with no firewalls, no tolls, no government regulation, no spying”…
Then Louis Basenese shows you why cryptocurrencies are the “blackest of black swans”…

Dear Reader,

The “cryptocurrency” moment has burst upon markets as a bolt from Zeus.

Fortunes have already been made… more certainly will be.

Their drummers say these digital currencies and the “blockchain” technology in back of them could revolutionize money, finance, banking… a thousand fields of enterprise.

But could it revolutionize — and truly liberate — the internet itself?

You may believe the internet is already liberated.

But the Googles, Facebooks, Twitters and Microsofts of this world exercise vast control over its infrastructure.

In their role as gatekeepers… are these not monopolies of sorts?

And the internet lies under the cold and weighty hand of government regulation.

But if this crypto business has authentic juice in it, that all may change.

Louis Basenese is our resident cryptocurrency authority. We let Louis sketch the scene:

If you haven’t seen HBO’s hit show Silicon Valley, it’s essentially about a startup company that develops new innovations.

This season, they’re attempting to decentralize the internet.

Now, the internet might seem decentralized already. But the data we send and receive must pass through data centers — which are controlled by giant companies like Amazon and Google.

And companies like Comcast and Verizon act as the gatekeepers, controlling who can even access the internet.

In the show, they’re attempting to make the internet fully peer-to-peer.

As one of the characters says, “If we could do it, we could build a completely decentralized version of our current internet… with no firewalls, no tolls, no government regulation, no spying. Information would be totally free in every sense of the word.”

Seems like a pipe dream, right?

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A black swan is “an event, positive or negative, that is deemed improbable yet causes massive consequences.”

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Regards,

Brian Maher
Managing editor, The Daily Reckoning

Editor’s note: Louis Basenese now stands at the epicenter of the cryptocurrency market.

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August 26, 2017 8:21 am

What about boule coin?

alwayslooking
August 26, 2017 2:52 pm

Here’s what I’m buying 28 Aug 2017:

HelloGold: solid management team, already doing business selling gold
Ahoolee: potential to rival Amazon.com as the premier source for online shopping
UTrust: potential to replace PayPal as gateway payment platform
EmCoin: still waiting for White Paper, minimal information release so far
Universa: still waiting for ICO info; not so confident in their management team

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August 27, 2017 7:15 pm
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How to buy hellogold

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August 27, 2017 9:24 pm
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I am also intrigued by Ahoolee. They sent me a query for what size/amount I was interested in participating at. Then nothing. How are you purchasing them, Alwayslooking?

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August 26, 2017 5:33 pm

I’m with Sundog88 on this: Its got to be Universa. I use ixquick.com as my searchengine they participate with googleads (shaded blue). Type in “Universa ICO” and every single ad is an Agora affiliate. I have friends in Taiwan that are talking to me about Universa – so I am thinking that they may actually pull this off. If they get their $100 million in a matter of days because they have lined up investors and restricted access to pre-ico info and links to bottleneck the demand at the door (typical AppleStore tactic), it will catch a lot of U.S. money people by surprise with the buzz. The knee-jerk reaction of the investment masses is to massively bid up the secondary market and so Universa becomes a success because it is a success – self fulfilling. Look at all the effort we’ve all put into tracking it down here in the U.S. The slick stuff is being shown to the Chinese, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Japanese and Indian techno geeks.
Let Universa know who you are and I expect at 12:01 greenwich on August 28 you will get an invite. This link will get you in touch with Universa https://check.universa.io/-3gMMHD then go to the platform and join. This link will get you to a place to create an etherwallet (which you will need) https://www.myetherwallet.com/ and if you do not already have an exchange I suggest Kraken https://www.kraken.com or Coinbase https://www.coinbase.com . If you do not have any cryptocurrency to start with, Coinbase may be your only option as most of the others REQUIRE you to wire money (can’t do it until Monday morning for receipt on Tuesday) or wait 4-5 days on an ACH from your bank account. Coinbase will allow you to buy Ether instantly through your debit/credit card. Its only $50 as a starting limit – but that may be enough to get your foot in the door with 16 to 31 UTNs. Good luck to us all!

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August 26, 2017 9:23 pm
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This a good youtube video on myetherwallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpha8_Ytos

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August 26, 2017 6:03 pm

I’m with Sundog88 on this: Its got to be Universa. I use ixquick.com as my searchengine they participate with googleads (shaded blue). Type in “Universa ICO” and every single ad is an Agora affiliate. I have friends in Taiwan that are talking to me about Universa – so I am thinking that they may actually pull this off. If they get their $100 million in a matter of days because they have lined up investors and restricted access to pre-ico info and links to bottleneck the demand at the door (typical AppleStore tactic), it will catch a lot of U.S. money people by surprise with the buzz. The knee-jerk reaction of the investment masses is to massively bid up the secondary market and so Universa becomes a success because it is a success – self fulfilling. Look at all the effort we’ve all put into tracking it down here in the U.S. The slick stuff is being shown to the Chinese, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Japanese and Indian techno geeks.

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August 26, 2017 10:13 pm
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I agree this is the likely one, but have not seen any ad that is an Agora affiliate. You have any link to one?

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August 27, 2017 12:00 pm
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To get in on Universa, go here to get registered: https://check.universa.io/-abJt63

Monte
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August 26, 2017 6:39 pm

How do you participate in an ICO if I am a US citizen . A lot of them say we can’t

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August 26, 2017 8:39 pm
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I think just do it anyway.

Bob Snelgrove
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August 26, 2017 8:44 pm

This thread style is very confusing; replies to earlier posts show up eralier rather than chronologically? Very hard to keep up on the flow. Is there sort setting or ??

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August 26, 2017 9:29 pm

Some of you are content to sit out the cryptocurrency bull because you believe it is a bubble. I agree, its a bubble. Real Estate is a bubble, stocks and bonds are in a bubble. It doesn’t mean you can’t make some really good money until the music stops. My bet is that cryptocurrencies may be the last to go – primarily because of the Chinese.
They are hostage to our dollars and dollar denominated debt because they are trying to keep our dollar stronger in relation to the yuan. Normally to exchange yuan for dollars, you sell dollars (bidding down its value) and you buy yuan (bidding up its value). I say normally because this sort of thing gets reconciled by SWIFT. The Chinese solution is to hold on to those dollars and make internal loans against them in yuan.
But what if?
If the Chinese sell their dollars to buy a non-sovereign, cryptocurrency like XRP (which is a crypto currency designed to circumvent SWIFT), the value of the yuan vis-a-vis the dollar doesn’t change. They get out of dollars and the rest of the world supports the cryptocurrencies as the dollar and other major currencies crash.

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August 27, 2017 10:45 am
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Interesting comments. Personally, I don’t think that cryptocurrency is in a bubble. In fact, I feel it’s the exact opposite – in a startup phase. There may be SPECIFIC coins that are in a bubble and no doubt, over the next few years, a lot of coins may be weeded out. But my view (and what do I know?) is that this whole thing is just getting started. It hasn’t hit the mainstream yet. There is a lot of buzz, but I think, overall, it is just starting. Banks and other businesses are starting to look at how to interface with blockchain. I would suspect that all the market makers and brokers are trying to figure out how to integrate crypto into their platforms. I have no doubt that there will be crypto ETFs and Mutual Funds approved by the SEC soon enough. But enough longer term than that…………………….blockchain seems to be a disrupter on the level of the internet itself. There are likely applications for blockchain that we, in 2017, cannot even conceive of yet. And, on the level of governments, the Federal Reserve Banks around the world have got to be looking at crypto and blockchain. I just have a gut feeling that crypto is going to absolutely explode in 2018. To me, it’s like getting into the internet in the mid-90s when no one knew what it was. (I just wish it were easier to deal with crypto at this point vs. a vs. the platforms, wallets, etc. – but that will come over time.)

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August 27, 2017 2:13 pm
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Totally agree. The masses are just starting to wake up…this will explode. Any bubble bursting is years away. Cryptos are here to stay…and until every Tom, Dick and Harry is aware and involved, there is nothing but the stars ahead. Not all coins will do well…buy with caution.

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August 27, 2017 3:59 pm
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“But my view (and what do I know?) is that this whole thing is just getting started. It hasn’t hit the mainstream yet.”
AMEN, BROTHER! I’m with you there.
“To me, it’s like getting into the internet in the mid-90s when no one knew what it was. (I just wish it were easier to deal with crypto at this point vs. a vs. the platforms, wallets, etc. – but that will come over time.)”
That is why I found Universa so intriguing. I was mucking around on the platform and somehow got sucked into a UTN interactive. As I played with it, it seemed to have an imbedded exchange and wallet! Right now we have to get a wallet, join an exchange, maybe a shape-shifter in order to deal with these cryptocurrencies. Crypto won’t go mainstream until you simplify/eliminate all that – thats what Universa’s UTN seems to do. Instead of mining the blockchain gets stronger through participation. Since most of us signed on to the platform through Facebook or Google, I’m betting that by receiving UTN’s those accounts become defacto wallets and the wallets we now have will be more like vaults. That is why I think this is the gamechanger, because the mainstream doesn’t have to think about its money – the phone receives money and you spend money with your phone – without the Applepay fees!

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August 27, 2017 4:04 pm
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Interesting…but not open to US investors!

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August 27, 2017 9:27 pm
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At what point will they check your passport? 😉

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August 27, 2017 10:09 pm
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The serious ICOs, like HelloGold, require a photo of your passport, a selfie with you holding your passport, and a photo of your ID next to a utility bill with your home address. UTrust just asked you to self-certify that you are not a US citizen. Nothing yet from Ahoolee or Universa, and time is getting close to their ICO release time. Also, they can check the IP address of your email and Google your name for a quick check.

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Allan Innes
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August 26, 2017 9:29 pm

So if its https://check.universa.io/-bxpGQp# (disclosure this is my link I think)
how do u buy ….it tells me that by joining I get 50 mUTN I guess these are tokens ??
So how do you get more ?
I have had BTC for a while but new to this ICO thing , so trying to choose 3 to 5 to put a wee bit in each.
Any others that would be worth looking at ??
So many questions :)….Cheers

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August 27, 2017 8:12 am
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Universa Update: I just found out (on their social media) some IMPORTANT information….(which has be thinking that Universa IS for sure the company) ….. The PRE-ICO Press Release will be out tomorrow. (day of pre-ico) The MINIMUM to get in will be 12 btc (that’s 12 bitcoins) AND the ICO will start in 60 days later (which the minimum investment will be only 10 dollars) https://check.universa.io/-9xWtQH – Personally… 12 bitcoins (is too much for me) I will not be investing during the PRE-ICO, but I WILL be putting in a GOOD chuck on the FIRST day of the ICO! as I know this IS the one in the article! It would be great if we could “POOL” bitcoins to meet or exceed 12 btc with everyone. But that would be tough? Unless someone knows how we can do it….in some type of escrow account? Just a thought…. Good Luck to All https://check.universa.io/-9xWtQH

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August 29, 2017 11:33 am
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UPDATE/CORRECTION: The minimum for Universa IN “Pre-ICO” is: approx 5 Bitcoins – http://www.newsbtc.com/2017/08/29/five-advantages-universa-blockchain-bitcoin-ethereum/

Barefoot
August 27, 2017 7:48 am

The ICO has been named a couple of times already in this discussion it is Chronologic. The question is ,are you really going to buy in because Agora recommends it? The Timemints (self mining coins) are limited to the first 3,333 participants and not available to US citizens. Agora is not recommending participating in the ICO but rather buying the DAY coins when they become available on exchanges like Bittrex.

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August 27, 2017 8:10 am

Universa Update: I just found out (on their social media) some IMPORTANT information….(which has be thinking that Universa IS for sure the company) ….. The PRE-ICO Press Release will be out tomorrow. (day of pre-ico) The MINIMUM to get in will be 12 btc (that’s 12 bitcoins) AND the ICO will start in 60 days later (which the minimum investment will be only 10 dollars) https://check.universa.io/-9xWtQH – Personally… 12 bitcoins (is too much for me) I will not be investing during the PRE-ICO, but I WILL be putting in a GOOD chuck on the FIRST day of the ICO! as I know this IS the one in the article! It would be great if we could “POOL” bitcoins to meet or exceed 12 btc with everyone. But that would be tough? Unless someone knows how we can do it….in some type of escrow account? Just a thought…. Good Luck to All 🙂 https://check.universa.io/-9xWtQH

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August 27, 2017 11:49 am
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So, 12 BTC initial buy-in pre-ICO? Where did you find this? So far, this is the only site I am finding: https://check.universa.io/-abJt63. Which is fine to sign in and get account, but other than that, what is your source (link please) for your info?

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August 29, 2017 11:34 am
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Correction: Approx. 5 BTC minimum for PREico.

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August 27, 2017 9:31 pm
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Hey sundog88, I’ve been camped out at their facebook page and ….. nothing. Twitter …. nada. What social media are they using? Is it Russian?

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August 28, 2017 7:11 am
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Universa does look interesting..but im also a little confused as to how to buy more
https://check.universa.io/-3HLwtb
Any one know?

Thanks in advance

andysurg
August 27, 2017 4:30 pm

Hi – so universa.io shows me (based on goog sign in) with 50 mUTN – but is Stops there ! No gmail confirmation or any further steps possible .. so how you buy in ??
Thx.

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Kris
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August 27, 2017 7:58 pm

What about Wolk and Smnx? I believe it will be one of these two so I’m buying both, and if you want file coin just go buy it, your supposed to be anonymous on the web right. Go to the sale threw a proxy server and holy moley your not in the us anymore. dam rules. Governments and there bullshit are not supposed to be in control of us.
Later

inexist
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August 27, 2017 10:16 pm

Maybe it’s: Onecoin

quinn8888
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August 28, 2017 12:46 am

I think its possibly Utrust which has its pre-ico starting 8-28
It claims to be a payment protection platform for all crypto currencies.
Check it out.
https://utrust.io/#

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August 28, 2017 1:06 am
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quinn8888 – yes it’s possible. I’m IN – looks like a winning opportunity regardless if it IS or ISN’T (the one in the article) It looks solid – one to HOLD for a while – Utrust – I believe it starts in the afternoon. Good Luck.

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quinn8888
August 28, 2017 1:04 am

Well more research shows another possibility.
https://solomonex.info/
Another payment platform using bank accounts and credit cards, etc.

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alwayslooking
August 28, 2017 1:18 am
Reply to  quinn8888

Very underwhelming team (one person with gold mining experience). No thanks.

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