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gentrybn
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gentrybn
July 1, 2014 10:18 pm

The number one criteria with any service with picks is performance. I only gave the service 5 months try, during that time I lost 27% of the capital I had chosen to invest in the picks, buying and selling as suggested. Obviously not a good performance. I was also frustrated that there were so FEW picks to begin with, which meant every pick that came out (you are paying $995/yr for the service) was costing about nearly $100 and you felt nearly compelled to do the pick, whether you liked it or not. My 2 cents, definitely not worth the money.

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David Quist
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David Quist
July 25, 2016 12:22 pm

I recently signed up for Cycle9. I took a large $7 put position on PBR @ .45
cents. Should I add to this if the price drops to .40 cents? Adam mentioned he might be rethinking the energy sector. Please let me know, thanks.

silver1939
December 20, 2016 1:14 pm
Reply to  David Quist

Nothing that comes from Harry Dent or his minions with respect to trading is worth 2 cents. And that goes for Weisse, Davidson, Rickards, Lewitt et al.
They are all great writers but when it comes to trading advice a big fat 0.

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TrueDepth
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TrueDepth
December 22, 2016 8:13 pm
Reply to  silver1939

Really? Because I joined, and looking at the history, if you made every trade he recommended in 2016, you would have made over 200% of whatever you put in each position.

WHY do you say this? Don’t just blow hot air. What proof do you have? From what I can tell, some positions will lose 100%, but overall you make a lot more than you lose. Unless he is lying about his archives and past trades, which I have seen no evidence of.

rajbarnett
rajbarnett
April 27, 2017 1:14 pm
Reply to  TrueDepth

glad to see report that offers balance on O’dell/ Cycle 9… did you find time to vet his picks or just move on the GO signal — GREEN ?

Bob
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Bob
May 5, 2017 10:30 am
Reply to  TrueDepth

Actually, his numbers don’t add up. The option price he indicates as his purchase price is, for the most part, lower than the price you pay. I’ve lost a considerable amount of money with both his systems and have elected for the past several months to read his recommendations as I would read a novel. In my view, playing options his way is like betting on a racehorse.

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Andy
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Andy
November 2, 2018 4:06 pm
Reply to  TrueDepth

I have done the return the calculations for Cycle 9 in 2016. Total pre-tax return of 3.32% before commissions for all 17 trades. I assumed an equal dollar amount is invested in each trade.

Henry
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Henry
September 9, 2019 11:21 pm
Reply to  TrueDepth

Then why does Adam now only post his current open positions on the Cycle Nine website – likely because he doesn’t want anyone to see his long streaks of losing trades.

RJ Barnett
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April 27, 2017 1:00 pm
Reply to  David Quist

i am looking at the Cycle 9 pitch — and thought about sharing the cost rather dive in to service . Was it worth it? are you still in? or willing to share info?

Sebastien
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Sebastien
July 1, 2018 6:11 pm
Reply to  RJ Barnett

RJ, I’m in the same boat. I’m the on fence about joining his service. It sounds very compelling. Have you joined yet? Anyway I can reach you?

vrishilli
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vrishilli
February 6, 2017 5:20 pm

I’m in the Max Profits Alert, and it’s been a phenomenal loser – I made a lot of money with Harry’s recommendations, but lost it x1.5 with Adam’s crap “system” – not only is it terrible, but there’s very little communication, no answer to questions, and the recommendations are few and far between, unlike the rate at which recommendations were promised. — Adam should’ve done a mea culpa on this one and called BS on himself, because this is a program for how to make the other guy rich.

rajbarnett
rajbarnett
April 27, 2017 1:17 pm
Reply to  vrishilli

Am looking at Cycle 9 as possible research tool. Only see one positive. Is “Max Profits Alert” part of Cycle 9? or a lower cost alt.? would you like to share expense and exchange info?

twine
twine
March 22, 2017 1:27 pm

I took a trail for Adam’s Cycle 9 service back in 2014 for a couple of months. The thing that really made me mad was that they claimed a 74% win rate, but when you looked at their performance list (which you couldn’t see until you subscribed), they legged out of a number of winning positions twice, and thus counted them as two wins. Needless to say, they exited out of the losers only once. So overall their record was around 59%, which is very close to 50/50 in my book, and definitely not worth the subscription price. I don’t know if their current record is any better, but I felt that they lied by tweaking the results, and I don’t trust them. I would suggest that you stay away from them, and I wish someone had warned me about their dishonest spin.

Harry Dent has been warning about a crash for the last 4 years. I guess he will be right eventually, and I am sure he will tell everyone that he knew it all along.

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Jim
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Jim
March 23, 2017 4:32 pm

I think some of the Dent people do a good job but that definitely does not apply to Adam O’Dell. I joined the lifetime network 18 months ago at the cost of $10,000. Since then, single handily, Adam’s recommendations have carved out a 32% loss in my portfolio. He is cocky and so sure of himself, but he does not perform. Even more frustrating is his inability to admit any type of failure. Instead he continually relies on extending the time frame for his results until he can show numbers that he likes. Adam – just answer one question. What has been your return in the last 12 months?

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rajbarnett
April 27, 2017 1:23 pm
Reply to  Jim

thanks for sharing the O’dell info – am watching for sources / research that confirms momentum trade/ trends and macro-events. I’ve been member of Lemetropole which the Gold group (GATA) ..- great analysis of banks ( JPM) and COMEX /market manipulation/ SEC cover-ups. Could we review results and help this community with insights? Will share info …

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ford
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ford
June 2, 2018 2:06 pm
Reply to  Jim

Losers of trades based on Adam O dell–he has zero in his name and that is what you get.if you follow him.Check James Rohrbach-trend following on daily chart with ema15 above ema30 for entry. exit long when ema10 goes below ema20.reverse logic for shorts. do testing for6 weeks understand the process as you backtest you make gains easily.

Deb
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Deb
July 10, 2017 10:33 am

I wish I would read these reviews before I subscribed to Cycle 9. I have been a member for 10 months. There were 12 recommended buys. I tracked all buys & sells on a spread sheet. here are the results; 4 loses 3 were total loses. one trade was break even, one small profit & one profitable. Three trades I did not make because of 4 loses almost in a row. After 6 trades I had 4 losses and lost faith that Adams system works. I did not make the next 3 trades. I had lost $2500 so I bought 2 more trades to try & break even. I call this very poor performance. I have noticed a lot of Adam’s weekly alerts are about how well his system works and predicts the market as if to convince us the system works. One of the most annoying things about the whole Dent Research group is they are constantly sending emails to try & sell you something.

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Sebastien
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Sebastien
July 1, 2018 6:19 pm
Reply to  Deb

Deb, thanks for sharing your experience. Are you still with cycle 9 alert? Have things turned around for you yet? Anyway I reach you via email? Sebastien

Glenn
July 17, 2017 2:27 pm

So far I have been doing quite well with Cycle 9 over the past 4 months (July 2017) We will see how things do when the market turns.

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Howard
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Howard
August 19, 2017 8:50 am

Why not go against his trades if he is that bad? You then would have a profitable position.

Will Dodds
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Will Dodds
December 18, 2018 5:10 pm
Reply to  Howard

I would love to see an analysis of the scenario where you invested in a Call every time he recommended a Put, and vice versa over the past year. I bet you would make a good return.

Ad van Lieshout
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Ad van Lieshout
August 19, 2017 12:25 pm

Really a service without any value. $995 for nearly nothing. How is it possible that a Harvard
educated man as Harry Dent fully promoted this very bad idea. I will ask a partial refund.
Has anyone gets an answer from the publisher on these complaints?

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Michael B
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Michael B
August 19, 2017 3:24 pm

I joined Cycle 9 late November 2014 based on the extraordinary profit claims in their emails. Once subscribed, I had access to their actual trade performance. For 2014, looking across all trades, the Cycle 9 system was showing a 14% *loss* YTD. To be fair, the 2013 data was better and showed a 33% gain. Combining all 2013 and 2014 trades, Cycle 9 was showing an 11% profit. In the same period, the DJIA went from 13,435 to 18,053 (up 34%). The conclusion was clear: in that period a DJIA index returned 3x more than following all the Cycle 9 trades. I immediately called Dent Research to cancel my subscription as I was within the 90 day no-risk window. I had a 10-minute very ugly phone call with some ‘customer service’ agent who was insistent that Dent ALWAYS has a 10% cancellation fee. In the end I called my credit card company and filed a complaint through them, and eventually got all my money back.

In mid 2015 I subscribed to Rodney Johnson’s Triple Play Strategy. For 2 years I followed all trade recommendations (37 buy/sell recommendations in all). I placed $3k on each purchase. At the end of 2 years, my net profit from all those trades was a whopping $81. If I subtract the subscription fees (495/yr), it essentially cost me $1,000. Too bad. These systems sound soooooo good in their emails!

Mr G
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Mr G
September 9, 2017 9:33 pm

The 90 money back guarantee got me to try it out. Decided if I could make back the annual fee in the 3 months I would stick with it. First thing I did was analyze their stated performance. Noticed quickly that one is in cash (waiting for next buy signal) for nearly 1/3rd of the time. But the average profit (according to my calculations) was about 20% for an average pick in about an average of about 68 days. That means you could probably do this 4 times in a year, so that’s more like 80% annualized return. Also noticed you must be disciplined (as they recommend) and never stake too much on a single trade as there are loosing streaks that could wipe you out if you are not disciplined. I divided up what I was willing to risk into 6 equal parts (figuring that there would only be about 5 or 6 going at once). That was 3 months ago. My return on their picks has been about 27% (would have been more like 35% to 40% had Cramer not scared me to the sidelines in July). Made some plays of my own choosing (AMD, MU, SNAP, MOMO), and made out even better with a 45% return in 30 days or less (their picks have been mostly ETF’s, I don’t feel at liberty to mention their picks here). So far, no losers, which is why I am currently out performing the 20 % average per trade I calculated above.

P.S. I don’t think this is worth while to someone who has less than $10,000 to commit to the strategy (i.e. $1,000 minimum per go signal). And I think it would be unwise to commit more than 1/3rd of what you have worth risking.

Mr G
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Mr G
September 9, 2017 9:41 pm

Correction: I counted half closed positions twice to get my 20% average return per trade last 4-5 years. More like 27% (at least according to my math). But I figure if you take/get the 90 day money back guarantee, you can do your own analysis.

Caulker
Caulker
November 27, 2017 4:38 pm

Lost during the trial, got out

Nelson bradbury
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Nelson bradbury
May 8, 2018 9:08 am

Overall I am not at all impressed by the performance of the picks. In fact , over the past three months or so my returns are a negative 30 to 40%.

Sebastien
Guest
Sebastien
July 1, 2018 6:26 pm

Sorry to hear. Did you get your refund money back?

sharon
Guest
sharon
June 13, 2018 8:40 am

I’m in both of Adam’s programs. 10× and the cycle 9. One thing I will say is that I have never lost money faster. I’m down 96 % on his 10 x and on his cycle 9 3 of his picks right now are down over 90%.
He should be ashamed and at least refund our membership fees. I did notice that on his 10x he doesn’t list the big lost we took on it in the eportfilio. He sorta forgot to put that in.

Ad van Lieshout
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Ad van Lieshout
July 2, 2018 7:22 am

How is it possible that this can exists. And thats all part of Dent’s Research. Probably they are researching
the bad trades and tell there subscribers to go long.

rwnomad
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rwnomad
July 28, 2018 12:56 pm

Adams methodology is based on plagiarism of the sector rotation strategy. If you want to follow this method, all you need is a book on the subject from Amazon. The guy has a good model, take commonly available knowledge, repackage it and sell it.

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Paul
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Paul
September 24, 2018 7:41 pm

Want to guess what happens to the strike price when you tell all your readers to sell? Yep, only Adam makes out on the trade.

Andy
Guest
Andy
November 1, 2018 6:00 pm

I have completed an analysis of all Cycle 9 trade recommendations in 2018 (12 trades, 11 realized) as of 10/31/18. Assuming an equal dollar amount for each trade results in a cumulative pre-tax return of 16.11%. I’ll leave it up to each individual whether such a return is compelling on a risk-adjusted basis.

Will Dodds
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Will Dodds
November 29, 2018 7:06 pm

I lost more than $7000 investing $2000 in each recommendation so far during 2018. To me, O’Dell’s claims seem to be inflated because you can seldom buy in and cash out at his advertised prices even if you react quickly. On his biggest trade this year, I assume most subscribers missed the trade because they couldn’t buy below the max recommended price. If you missed that trade, you probably lost money.

My recommendation is to stay away from anything he is selling.

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