This article first ran on October 8, 2014. The ad is running heavily again as of early March, and remains more or less unchanged… the article below is unchanged as well. The stock teased has returned about 14% since the article first ran, roughly twice the gain of the S&P 500.
Our headline today is from Dr. Kent Moors, who is pitching his series of special reports/recommendations that he calls the “Great Game”, essentially a series of ideas based on the big “chess game” going on around the world between China, Russia, the U.S. and others for “global supremacy,” largely in control of resources.
They’re bundling up these special reports in order to get you to subscribe to Energy Advantage, which is Moors’ “entry level” energy-focused newsletter ($249, “on sale” for $49.50 … or $99 if you get all the “special reports”). We’ve written about ideas he has pitched many times over the years, Moors touts himself as a “facilitator” and “advisor to governments and oil companies” worldwide, and I have no reason to believe he’s not being truthful — and also no reason to believe that his consulting work (he’s a political science professor at Duquesne in his day job) makes him particularly gifted at picking stocks.
But we’ve seen some interesting ideas out of him in the past, regardless of how ridiculously hyped such ideas have been once they work their way through the newsletter marketing copywriters, and folks are asking about this “graphene desalination” pitch he’s making in his latest ads … so let’s at least solve that one for you, shall we?
(We may get to the others in the future, there are a half dozen or so “Great Game” stocks pitched… but the ad is overwhelmingly focused on this graphene pitch.)
Let’s get started … this is how the tease is introduced:
“The Zero Line….
“Two Nations With a Combined 230 Nuclear Warheads Under Their Control… May Be On the Brink of War….
“Even Though These Nations Control Enough Nuclear Weaponry to Level the Entire Planet
“All it Takes is One Warhead to Unleash Global Bedlam.
“Well, in one of these countries…
“At Least 8 Radical, Islamic Factions, Including Al-Qaeda and the Taliban… Are Dangerously Close to These Nuclear Warheads.”
So that’s how he sets the scene — I won’t lay it on as thick as he does, but to sum up: Moors says that the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan, by far the most volatile border dispute among countries with nuclear arsenals, is flaring up again. And that we can’t rely on 20th Century notions like “Mutually Assured Destruction” to keep them from launching nukes, since Pakistan has a “first strike” policy with regards to some Indian actions and is close to being completely controlled by jihadists.
He further distills the dispute to one major factor: The Indus River, which is the most important natural resource to Pakistan and flows through India and Kashmir before it reaches Pakistan. This river is divvied up by a major treaty that allows India to use it for hydropower and agriculture, and with India growing the demands on the river are far higher… which means less is making its way to Pakistan, exacerbating tensions (except during monsoon season, like now, when way too much water crosses the border — not that India controls monsoons). Neither country can do without the Indus, and no one is in a conciliatory frame of mind.
So what will happen? Nuclear war that spreads? Other huge conflict? The disputed border area is fully militarized, so actual shooting does flare up from time to time, but could it get much worse?
Moors says that working to settle that dispute is a major priority of Western diplomats, with lots of aid money and effort being expended to bring Kashmir down to a low simmer. Which I suppose is also probably quite true.
And then he gets into somewhat wilder speculation… along the lines of, “if we could solve this water fight over the Indus, then things would get much better” … here’s some more from the ad:
“In 1960, When Pakistan Signed the Indus Waters Treaty, They Had a Population of 45 Million People. Today, They Have 178 Million.
“When India Signed That Treaty, They Had a Population of 448 Million People. Today, They Have 1.2 Billion….
“At its core – this situation – isn’t about a nuclear war….
“No, it’s a story about a resource war.
“Water and energy in Pakistan and India….
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just click here...“I can say with firsthand knowledge that a lot of money is being allocated through backchannels by our government to solving it.
“We’ve already funneled $27 billion to Pakistan…
“And billions to India as well.
“So we’ve tried the diplomatic route.
“We have a strong naval presence in the Arabian Sea – we have tens of thousands of troops stationed in the region.
“Our special forces have been on the ground.
“So we’ve tried peaceful, yet serious military tactics….
… now we’re taking a new approach – a private sector solution.
“It’s coming from a defense contractor I know quite well.
“I believe it can stop this Zero Line Crisis from escalating into a nuclear war.”
OK, so that’s the backstory. What is this defense contractor, and why can they keep the Kashmir dispute from escalating into nuclear war? Here are our clues:
“The Smarter Defense Contractors Have Realized That They Have to Diversify Out of Pure Warfare Technologies… And into Solving Problems Before They Lead to Conflict….
“… one under-the-radar player in the defense sector has the solution to this Zero Line Crisis and many future conflicts….”
Which is, of course, the stock he’s teasing. What has this “under-the-radar player” done to develop a solution? Moors says they have developed a new filter for desalination. Desalination plants are huge investments, sucking up a tremendous amount of energy as they remove the salt from seawater, and one reason for the huge energy cost is that conventional plants have to push water through thick filters to remove salt. Graphene, we’re told, can solve that problem:
“the desalination filter this defense contractor has developed.
“Besides being ultra-thin, this desalination filter is…
- 1,000 times stronger than existing technologies.
- It can convert saltwater to freshwater 100 times faster.
- And it uses 1/100th – that’s 1% – of the energy it previously took.
“Desalination now becomes economically viable in even the poorest countries.”
So that would obviously be awesome, even for places like California and Saudi Arabia, let alone the ability this kind of technology might have to dramatically increase fresh water supplies in the Indian subcontinent and, therefore, perhaps ease tensions over the Indus river. Lots of moving parts in that sequence of possibilities, of course, but the possible positive outcome would certainly be nice.
So what is this defense company, and what is this graphene technology they’ve apparently developed? From Moors:
“This defense contractor was one of the early innovators with graphene.
“I was sent their internal memo that reveals this desalination breakthrough.
“Originally they had been working with graphene in what they called their ‘core markets, including aircraft and spacecraft.’
“Then they discovered that they could use it to: ‘Revolutionize the process of desalination by making it far more efficient and less expensive.'”
And then the chain of possibilities and coincidences gets extended a little further…
“Coincidentally, around the same time this technology was first presented, India committed to building 500 desalination plants by 2017….
“India is now allocating $92.1 billion a year – that’s a year – towards solving this water crisis.
“And coincidentally again – I know for a fact – the Indian government is going to cut big checks… we’re talking checks totaling many billions of dollars…
“They are being quietly directed to the company that controls this incredible filter.
“The contracts are signed.
“Here’s another coincidence…
“This company has already set up shop in India.
“They now have an office in New Delhi….
“Now here’s another coincidence…
“This same company, with this miraculous desalination technology…
“It has already secured very large contracts with Pakistan as well.”
Gosh, a defense contractor that is already dealing with two of the world’s largest defense spenders? That is a coincidence! Insert snarky little sarcasm emoticon here.
(OK, to be fair, India and Pakistan are not the largest defense spenders — both spend about 2.5% of GDP on defense, in dollar terms India spends about as much as Germany or Japan, Pakistan about as much as Mexico, neither is even in the running on “defense spending per capita” because they have massive populations — they spend about $30 per person on defense, far less than Australia, Brazil or even South Korea… the US spends about $2,000 to lead the pack, naturally).
So what will this be worth? Why are we jumping over tables to rush to the front of the class so we can buy the special report from Dr. Moors? Here’s his projection:
“Factoring in just the most conservative growth rates for this technology, it could propel this defense contractor’s share price up 464%.
“… that’s a conservative estimate.
“This contractor has big plans for taking what they’ve learned from this graphene breakthrough.”
Those “big plans” are the same stuff other graphene folks are talking about — using graphene in biopharma, electronics, oil and gas, etc. Which is kind of like saying, at this point, that I have big plans for the house that I’m going to sell in 2025 — I haven’t drawn up the plans yet, but my vision is so compelling and my knowledge of real estate so powerful that once I do start building it in 2019, it’s going to use the best techniques and technologies and will be awesome, and by the time I sell it in 2025 it will have risen so much that it will fund my lavish retirement.
Yep, it might happen — but I don’t enter that in the ol’ financial planning spreadsheet when I figure out how my retirement plan is going. We are REALLY early in the graphene story — wonder though it may be, it’s going to take a while, and many of the ideas for graphene applications aren’t going to work out… hundreds of scholars and scientists and companies are filing thousands of graphene patents a year now as the intellectual property landscape is staked out, so if you think you’ve got a handle on which patents or processes or applications are going to be most useful or profitable or valuable, well, you’re far wiser or more prescient than I am.
But anyway, what is this graphene desalination company being teased by Dr. Kent Moors?
Thinkolator sez this must be… Lockheed Martin (LMT).
So yes, we don’t usually like to see profanity in these parts… but you will be forgiven for saying, “under the radar, my ass.”
It’s silly to project 468% gains for LMT because of graphene desalination filter technology. They have developed such a technology to at least some degree, it’s now called the Perforene filter and they announced it (with some premature excitement, I’d argue, even though their engineer said he had been working on it for six years by then) about a year and a half ago. They also now feature it as one of their “emerging technologies” on their website, if you’d like to read their PR material.
They don’t say anything about what they’re spending on this project, or what the timeline for development might be — they did say, in the initial announcement in March 2013, that they were looking for a partner to help with commercialization in the 2014-2015 time frame, but as far as I can tell nothing has been announced since then.
And yes, Lockheed Martin has been in India for a long time, and has recently made some deals there — particularly their large deal to sell India C-130J Hercules planes used mostly by their special forces, though they also sell a lot of other weapons to India (among probably 20-40 other active customer countries).
And they have also sold weapons to Pakistan (or to the US government to be given to Pakistan) for years — in fact, a few years ago they apparently had to reassure India that, yes, the fighters they were selling to India were more capable than the F-16s they had already sold to Pakistan.
So I don’t know if you want to lay a lot of hope on the fact that Lockheed Martin is going to get rich by easing the Kashmir conflict — they’ve definitely made money supplying the military forces on both sides of that conflict in recent years, and those earnings must dwarf the possibility that their in-house R&D project for graphene filters will become a viable business over the next several years.
If you think Lockheed Martin is going to see its shares rise by 468%, then you think the world is going to be more violent and the US government and its allies are going to order a lot of F-16s and C-130s and C-5s and, more importantly, next-generation higher-margin F-35 fighters in addition to lots of drones and missile systems. Lockheed Martin is the largest defense contractor in the world, by most measures, with annual sales of better than $40 billion (and a market cap of more than $50 billion), so it’s going to take a lot to move the needle.
If the company grows by 468%, that will mean that Lockheed is a $300 billion company — if the stock rises 468%, that would be close to a $1,000 stock price (though presumably they’d split before then). I suppose that’s possible if they have a strong several years, it has happened before — LMT was at a low in the teens about 15 years ago so it has gained more than 1,000% over more than a decade, and more recently it has doubled in just about a year and a half as the reality of their near-term funding overwhelmed the fears of the US sequester defense cuts. But it gets harder with a larger company, and it’s not going to come in the blink of an eye… and I’ll wager that any such growth is not going to come because of desalination.
And frankly, Lockheed getting a lot bigger might become an issue for the government when it comes to dependence on any one company — Lockheed Martin is already, as of 2013 and according to the Top 100 Contractors Report from the Feds, getting almost 10% of the Federal Government contract allocations (twice as much as Boeing, three times as much as Raytheon or General Dynamics).
Desalination and water treatment in general is interesting both as a global priority and as an investment opportunity — but it’s not a great reason to buy Lockheed Martin, in my book. Check out the assessment from the folks at Desalination.com here when Lockheed announced this discovery of Perforene, and a year later when they checked in on progress. Lockheed is not the only company or entity researching graphene filters, and filter membranes, while critically important, are but one part of the cost structure and efficiency of desalination plants. If they can make these filters commercially in a couple years, God bless ’em and that could make a substantial difference to the efficiency of desalination plants … but billions are being spent on desalination plants with or without Lockheed Martin, so place your bets on that defense contractor based on whether you think they’ll make money selling warplanes and other services to, yes, India and Pakistan, but more importantly to the United States.
LMT is a very well-run company, they’re levered to some big-ticket items like the F-35 Fighter program but also somewhat diversified in defense spending (they’re also the largest IT contractor for the US government), and above all they are levered to US government spending… which has worked out pretty well for decades. They have a fantastic record of dividend growth over the last decade, a great balance sheet with little debt, and a decent valuation of about 15X next year’s anticipated earnings (trailing PE is about 18), so it’s not a terrible idea — it’s just that you have to have a comfort level with their growth prospects — revenue and earnings are about where they were five years ago, so the boost in the stock has not been from better performance but instead from investors liking it more.
What does that mean? LMT had a PE below 10 five years ago, it has a PE of 18 today — the revenue and earnings are about the same, it’s just that investors think those earnings are more valuable or have a higher opinion of the future prospects than they did in 2009 (or 2010, or 2011, or 2012). That’s more or less the same re-rating by investors that most of their defense contractor peers have seen, though LMT has performed better than most of them. Analysts are expecting 10% earnings growth out several years into the future (though it will be lower than that next year, we’re told, more like 7%), so they’re priced for growth over the next several years that’s substantially better than what they have achieved over the last several years.
Which means there’s not necessarily a huge margin of safety on this one at this price, despite the high quality of the company, the solid dividend and good balance sheet that might provide ballast if they choose. They can easily buy back shares, as they have been, or even borrow to raise the dividend if supporting the stock is a high management priority, but that doesn’t mean investors will keep paying a high multiple on earnings if they don’t grow earnings.
And, of course, there’s the little graphene research project among dozens of smaller projects and programs (materials science, new cybersecurity ventures, drones, robots, etc.) that could provide positive surprises someday — but if graphene membrane sales play a measurable role in Lockheed Martin’s stock rising by 468% over the next five years, then I completely misunderstand the company.
Sound like your kind of stock? Have any other ideas in graphene or desalination that you’d like to discuss? Let us know with a comment below.
Graphene = CABN
Any reason you can give why CABN is more than pump-and-dump junk? Looks like a press release with a $1.5 million market cap at first glance.
I heard awhile back that aeration (spraying salt water into the air, the salt precipitates somewhat each level, until the salt is completely gone). No filters to replace, easier and far cheaper. Never heard any more about it so apparently this was a no-go.
Check my website (www.ideasforourfuture.com) about making Baja, Mexico our 51st state and paying off our humongous debt).
That’s a way to get salt but not salt-free water!
By distillation – byproduct of energy generation: One company has a new blade-less turbine – much lower cost and more versatile than conventional bladed ones – where any salty or polluted water can be run through it – producing clean (distilled) water while generating electric power – at the same time – at NO (extra) cost. And they are running this on the clean, FREE (heat) energy of the sun – so it’s all CLEAN. The turbine is much lower cost (1/10 th) and their whole system can be mass produced in existing manufacturing facilities (no high tech, high cost sophisticated plants needed) so it all looks lower cost than anything else – and verified by independent engineers (from 4 universities) – to me looks like the holy grail – clean water with clean power for about 7 cents / KWh.
It is just developed (after 13 years) with many other new patented techs, and they now have about 14 towers (1 MW ) working in their pilot plant which they will likely be announcing in the near future – they are a public company, tho contact info needs to be received in order to provide info and ID of the company, which can be had through web site here: http://powertaxcredit.com – introducing their program of converting your tax liability into ownership in their power generation plant (at no cost – using the credits and deductions available) – best deal ever. With a tax bill of $10,000 for example, you would end up with about $7000 in their plant and $3000 in your pocket (you spend $7000 instead of $10,000) .
My antivirus software reports the powertaxcredit.com website as UNSAFE. According to Webroot, “This is a suspicious site. There is a higher than average probability that you will be exposed to malicious links or payloads.”
I don’t visit such sites, and suggest everyone exercise the same caution. Why doesn’t RT just give us the name/ticker of the company? Very likely he/she is a stakeholder in “PowerTaxCredit”, rather than the unnamed company.
RT’s nick should be BS
I have never seen or heard of any warnings on this – (my) site – should be OK. Stakeholder, sure, but it does not change anything. It is a real deal. You will probably have heard of it within a year.
Lockheed got a patent for “perforene” in October 2013 – but it’s a long distance from patenting to reliable mass production at a suitable scale. When they get to that point they are likely to spin off the desalination business so it can be managed properly.
Just read that chief technologist John Stetson (LMT) expects prototype testing in a reverse osmosis plant in “2014 or 2015”. Expect commercial use by 2020.
If would be nice to see a smaller pure-play graphene company commercializing this technology. Maybe a partnership between Focus Graphite (Graphite Mining / Graphene Technology) and Consolidated Water (Desalination Plants). That would give investors more exposure to the potential of graphene in desalination than Lockheed Warmonger.
I agree. LMT is not how to play the desalination boom. Someone else will build those plants and/or collect decades of payments from all over Asia.
Not only Asia — also Baja, Mexico (which would make a GREAT 51st state for the U.S.A — if it had FRESH WATER).
I’ll assume you’re pulling our legs unless you care to dispute that, Teddy Roosevelt was certainly a great President for his time and even James Polk may have a his fanboys (but not anybody I know or care to meet) but manipulating public opinion to rationalize sending our legions into foreign terroritries in dubious battle is not 21st century. Oh, that’s right Cheney/Bush did that, so I’m factually wrong but I trust you’ll agree with the gist of my remarks.
The Dumya used these kinds of policies to get himself re-elected which his Father and Jimmy Carter failed to do. No one ever asks anymore why Bush41 did not go all the way to Baghdad, “to finish the job”. Jimmy Carter was right about the Ability of the US to maintain economic hegemony over 80% of the productions of global natural resources. As with today we all want more , how much more , and will not even consider capping the COLAs on entitlements. 30% of the Boomers who experienced the miracle of the Reagan Voodoo economics that ultimately led to the US having massive debt out to as far as the eye can see, have zero $s saved for retirement. It seems only the Presidents who are most willing to act irresponsibly on doling out more largesse can expect to get re-elected. As if generating the ground swells of nationalism by invading any most convenient Arab nation in retribution for 9-11 was not MISSION ACCOMPLISHED on the Re-election, the Dumya also rolled out Mediscam Rx-D which every Republican Congressman assures us is a very popular program. They also continue to stay as vague as possible when discussing entitlements as saying,”entitlements must be addressed”, but then help facilitate that NOT happening as with what occurred to the Simpson-Bowles spending cut sequesters that were repealed last Feb and then in April made nice nice on the Debt ceiling with the Murray-Ryan Tax/budget reconciliation to raise the debt ceilings some more. Like the Foot ball teams that lose badly the Repiublicans gleefully traded for more defense spending while giving the Dems more entitlements spending, because they saw the ratings for Obama tanking and they plan to “get’em next year”. Obama DID pass some kind of Universal health care without even considering what the cost could or would be. This was enough pandering to get himself re-elected. Obamascare has turned out to be a whole lot less comprehensive and less affordable than most of it’s supporters expected. Those Senators voted out of Office in 2008 for being stooges of the Dumya are going to see their party now turn the tables on the Dumbo and his Democratic Senator/Stooges up for re-election who were victorious 6 years ago because of failed and failing leadership by the President. Those freshman Senators are begging the President to stay far away from their states as they scramble to bail their own cookies, whilst the President is on the phone a lot more these days talking to Lloyd of GS, asking how much and how much more can I expect from you Lloyd for this Presidential library thing. Remember Lloyd not a single one of you and your buddies Cayne, Killinger, Thompson, Corzine, Mozillo, Prince, Thane or FULD ever went to jail. You guys owe me big time. Never mind keeping the change I want that too.
We should have bought Iceland for the 51st state when they went belly up
This really small one seemes quite interesting, as pure water is a high priority in the chinees five-year plan.
Josab International has recently been almost half bought up by the halfgovernment controled Heilongjiang InterChina Watertreatment Co Ltd that are planning to expand to 8 regions from 2 regions today.
Josab International AB (JOSA)
http://www.josab.com Market: AktieTorget, Stockholm Sweden ISIN nr: SE0001106469
Largest owners – per 2014-06-30 **
Nam Capital % Votes %
Interchina Water Treatment 36,78 36,78
Andrej Setina 12,84 12,84
Grundbulten 8839 AB 8,84 8,84
Avanza pension 4,64 4,64
Avanza Bank AB 4,21 4,21
“Josab has developed, designed and patented a modular mechanical water treatment concept that takes advantage of the clinoptilolite’s excellent properties such as adsorption, ion-exchange and micro-filtration.
Josab’s ecological purification method is a mechanical water treatment in which particles and microorganisms larger than 1 micron are removed. The clinoptilolite’s properties such as a large surface area, adsorption and ion exchange, is used in a pressurized tank.
A UV filter disinfects the filtered water and ends Josab’s ecological water purification method.
The treatment capacity ranges starts at 0.5 m3/h.
The UV-filter eliminates remains of, for example, heterotrophy, coliforms and Escherichia coli bacteria, as well as Giardia lamblia and Cryptosporidium parasites. “
Interesting, though Chinese businesses that are this directly connected to the government are so opaque they give me hives — I’ve seen plenty of “clean up China’s water” pitches over the years, it’s a great and obvious need, but most of the good stories haven’t played out well in that space.
Here is a proposal called Vivian’s law: never buy a newsletter pitching a stock which is supposed to go up 468% or by any other non-rounded up number. The false-precision is a sign the stuff has been tossed together by marketeers.
And the numbers. Where do they get this precise number of 468%? Not 450, not 460 or nearly 500. It has to be 468. They want to convey the feeling that they do such a great job that the outcome can be predicted just one digit above the decimal point. It creates the opposite feeling for me – I do not trust their numbers.
For some reason, I just absolutely love your name, Vivian … I hope you don’t think I’m a creep for saying this lol… But I’ve been thinking it for a while!
with a name like Sedlecksky, of course you would love the name Vivian Lewis.
Meanwhile, why not compliment Vivian on her intelligence and interesting posts!
This is not a dating site, Eliott — do you have something to add on Energy, Graphene, LMT or any of the “Great Game Blueprint” deals, like Argentina’s Solar company from China, or the Saudi Mecca Cities Plan, or the Trans Afghan Pipeline, or the North Sea Salvation or the companies involved in the technology leading to “free” Green Oil from the US? We want names here, like LMT! Quick, name the other five!
What do you mean this isn’t a dating site???? Travis, I want my money back!
In the energy space, I like Argan (AGX), a small cap company that builds power plants. They have a strong backlog and pay a nice special dividend every year, although you’ve missed it for this year.
I also like Occidental Petroleum (OXY) and Chevron (CVX). Lots of stuff looks cheaper now, but that’s just cheaper than it has been, not necessarily as cheap as it’s going to get. I’m nibbling, but not going all-in.
Carry on, I’ll go back to the biotech threads… Sorry to disturb you all.
This is another case of wishful thinking trying to overcome physics.
Most of the energy requirement of desalination plants goes into the energy needed to separate the pure water molecules out from the saltwater in the filtration process. Then there are energy-consuming water circulation and filter cleaning needs. Neither of these would be much different with different filters. While graphene-type filters may or may not provide a small energy benefit in terms of pressure gradient requirement, they may well be more costly than current ones. In either case, the energy need for creating this gradient is the determining overall cost factor.
Travis! What’s in the water up there?
As I read your stuff lately, I get a vision of you with a pumped up chest and the buttons flying off! Maybe even a ceegaar clenched in the corner of your mouth.
Something tells me we need a new picture! Go get ’em Tiger!
The wars of the 21st Century will be fought over water.
Our water desalination pick in the global investing blogosphere is an outfit owned by two Israeli major players called Israel Desalination Engineering, IDE. You cannot buy it directly. It will be spun out too probably before Lockheed spins out anything. It is building a plant in southern California if you want to try to figure it out Travis.
Here is a song from my youth: “Tell me can it be true, tell me can it be true? did we send up Powers in that Lockheed U-2.” There was this guy named Gary Powers who went down over Russia in this U-2, an early clunky spy plan which led to the cancellation of a summit with a Russian president not named Putin.
The other idea we have is a Canadian small cap which save water by running systems to check the integrity of pipelines. It has operated in North Africa (it set up a system for the Great Man-Made River under Qaddafi).
Travis I like snarky sarcasm when correctly applied to this type of letter writer. I have tried a couple of his letters and cancelled. What we need is a graphene filter to remove all the bullshit they put in their over hyped promotions, I think most of them sold used cars to get their Phd. Love your site, it really makes my day.
Water is one of those evergreen investment themes that the newsletters love — it’s obvious and clearly fresh water is in short supply and SOMEONE should be getting rich, though often it’s not the little “secret” stocks they tease.
And Vivian, thanks for the challenge — Presumably you mean the Israeli Delek Group (pink sheets for US traders, it’s very illiquid on the pinks so I’ll let folks look it up if they’re curious), which is selling everything to focus on oil and gas so will presumably try to get out of their half of IDE soon; and Pure Technologies (PUR.TO)
Do tell us what the name and ticker symbol of your Canadian small cap is. If it can inspect water pipelines it should be able to inspect any pipeline. Even though I generally retch over the very thought of even indirectly investing in fossil fuels in this case a glass of clean water can do wonders for easing the conscience, LOL.
C’mon Vivian, the U-2 was and is probably the least-clunky aircraft in history.
“The commander of Kirtland Air Force Base near Albuquerque was told to…prepare for the landing of an unusual aircraft making a deadstick landing, and get it inside a hangar as soon as possible. The U-2 successfully landed after having glided more than 300 miles, and its strange, glider-like appearance and the space-suited pilot startled the base commander and other witnesses.” Wikipedia.
You could offend a lot of pilots and glider pilots with sacrilegious remarks such as that.
Pardon the extraneous incursion: These are certainly not unoriginal ideas about the catastrophic California/western states drought of which graphene could be the breakthrough that California et al need if not generally mankind/the world needs. As an interested though “practical engineering-challenged” observer, I’ve been advocating to my (bored) google groups, “bird” hobby and “miscellaneous investing,” an infrastructure of waterways from Canada/Great Lakes/wherever. The seemingly millions of workers needed for the (perhaps 10 foot wide concrete) pipe foundries/factories, and/or surely hundreds/thousands of eventually tied together excavation projects could conceivably bring FULL employment. I am generally of the liberal-left political-cultural persuasion, while this concept/interpretation is not per se “anti-development,” because if the fall-out/pollution from the land utilization and the construction is an essential for our survival, which I today perceive to be a manifestly obvious thing. If it’s to be mainly de-salinization plants for now, then okay by me for whatever is deemed necessary, feasible and more efficient. This is not to be about our gridlocked conventional thinking. I suggest an Elon Musk type/ an exceptionally-grifted leader-administrator, though the behemoth would probably be “shutdown in the planning” by our tragic political wrangling process before it would ever get started.
And don’t forget to ask the Midwest and Canada if they’re eager to drop the level of the Great Lakes… 🙂
China is the proving ground for all kinds of projects like this — authoritarianism makes it a lot easier to reverse the flow of rivers or move lakes around.
I live within sight of Lake Ontario at the bottom of my street. I am amazed how much farther the shoreline is from where it was when I was a kid (based on concrete breakwaters that it used to touch). Water levels seem to be permanently reduced. The watershed of the Great Lakes is surprisingly small and water turnover in Lake Superior is greater than 100 years. Probably not good candidates for use as reservoirs.
I’m surprised they haven’t built flow-control facilities (i.e. dams or weirs) at the east end of Lake Ontario to maintain the water level.
I’m not sure what that has to do with graphene or water desalination but there is such a partial flow-control structure at the outlet of L. Ontario, it’s called the Beauharnois Lock.
Mr. Cohen you do know that the treaty between Canada and the US prohibits the withdrawal of Great Lakes water by any political jurisdiction that is not adjacent to the Great Lakes? Hence Iowa, not matter how dry, will not see a drop of Lake Michigan until the treaty is changed which probably is not going to happen.
As someone whose daytime job involves designing and building desalination plants, I would certainly welcome a technology that uses 1/100th of the energy of conventional processes. But alas, while graphene could potentially make a super strong membrane that resists damage, it still would not be impervious to fouling and clogging. Not to mention the copious amounts of salty wastewater (brine) that desalination plants still have to legally dispose of.
In time graphene may greatly improve wastewater treatment membranes but I give it about 20 years to make it into common use. In the meantime I plan to invest in engineering focused companies involved in infrastructure improvements aimed at conserving precious water resources.
If you are looking for quicker returns, I think developments in the Internet of Things hold more promise than graphene. Our company already routinely monitors our water plants through the internet rather than having to visit locations thousands of miles away using products made by Sierra Wireless. I hold their stock because I can see the direct benefits of their technology.
Thanks for the excellent perspective!
I’ve been thinking of looking into SWIR again, the Motley Fool has been touting that stock heavily again recently.
A.D. would like your take on recent limited info I came across regarding why desalination plants wont be viable for some time. that is, “they make the ocean saltier” in other words they destroy the marine life environment of the ocean around the plants if brine is returned. I am assuming that’s the biggest reason we don’t have some here in ca.
There are three (I think) desalination plants in California. Not massive scale, but they exist.
I don’t know what the impact would be on salinity of the surrounding ocean — given currents, it’s hard to see it being more than a “drop in the ocean”
The $1.0B Carlsbad Desalination Project located on the coast in north San Diego county will be the largest desal plant in the western hemisphere when open in late 2015.
It’s 50 million gals/day output of fresh water will transit through a 54″ dia. pipeline to be joined with the San Diego Metropolitan Water Authority’s Second Aquaduct located 10 miles east in San Marcos, CA. Informational website: http://carlsbaddesal.com/
Dear Adrian,
You wrote “…I plan to invest in engineering focused companies involved in infrastructure improvements aimed at conserving precious water resources.” Anyone specifically on your radar now ?
Lots of desalination talk at MIT where the graphene topic was one of them:
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/topic/desalination
Graphene seems a lot like fusion energy, lots of talk, lots of hope but no true progress. Not to mention decades long lead times for any results to show up.
Spot on analogy. I work with graphene. In production. They’re pulling another bucky ball/fusion scam, sigh. It’s real it can do wonderful things. It is not the panacea the hucksters claim. It is scalable now. It will never be scaled to industrial applications though until they can work out how to charge more.
Hi Edward,
Is graphene patented ?
Is the technology to produce it patented ?
If not, can any big old tech powerhouse (like Samsung, GE, Mitsubishi, etc) get into the business of producing it ?
hendrix Graphene exists in nature as it is a layer of carbon atoms
one atom thick ina specific matrix which makes up Graphite. You can get a sample of Graphene by applying cellophane tape to a block of Graphite and peeling it back off,,,a layer of Graphene will be on the tape.
What yo can patent is a better method to harvest Graphene commercially of finding a commercial use for it once obtained . Yes all those big companies might do that but so could you. Go for it!!!!
Exactly my point, it may be a fabulous material but how can any one entity grab a huge advantage in its production, use, and application ? Even if LMT has as production patent for the making the stuff, you’d need to be an expert to determine if these excludes all other possible production methods from being viable. Maybe the patent of Perforene is bullet proof, but maybe not.
True, they do have that particular patent — but a patent on a specific application of graphene filters made in a particular way (with microscopic holes), not a patent on graphene itself. There are hundreds, or likely thousands by now, of
Graphene-related patents — like a land grab in a new technology area, I expect no one will know which patents are super-valuable for quite a long time.
Graphene patent held by LMT
Here is a link to news release describing the patent.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2013/march/lockheed-martin-achieves-patent-for-perforene-filtration-solutio.html
If it is true then LMT has the patent on the material
Travis, I know you’ll be on top of it when some newsletter teases what small cap(s) LMT contracts with on this but here’s a radical concept I hope you’ll consider, start the party without them and make them eat your dust.
When Graphene becomes a viable construction material desalination plants will just be a forgotten side product.
Travis, Very good to see Mr Moors’ constant bubble of self-promotion pricked so expertly. Any development of this nature will be a small component to be utilised by the constructors of such desal plants and not a revenue driver for Lockheed. These people will make sure they are not beholden to LMI for any critical technology.
Moor considers himself the Henry Kissinger of energy to the world. The problem: he’s the only one who thinks so.
ERII is THE desalination leader in the world right now and the share price is near a 52 week low. ERII will have an inflection point if and when their energy recovery business in the oil and gas field takes off. I think the risk reward on ERII is quite good right now and recently took a position.
To Vivian, et al: Of course the 468% is designed to get your attention. Judging by all of the commentary on this, the ruse worked…probably better than the graphene filters ever will.
Anyone who really KNOWS that a particular stock is going to skyrocket will NOT ADVERTISE that stock. They will purchase the stock cheap before the crowd. People who KNOW WHICH STOCKS WILL ADVANCE do not need to sell a stock picking service. People who know how to pick horses or professional sports teams do NOT need to sell advice. When I had a horse that was 60-1, I did NOT want to tell anyone. I wanted to be the majority owner of winning tickets and did not want to dilute my shares of winning tix by giving away info. Let’s get real here. NO ONE gives away winners EXCEPT when it’s INSIDE INFORMATION and that is illegal. The greatest investment companies make their billions by people paying for their service. The investment company knows it may get it wrong, but if they get your money first, they can’t lose. NO ONE gives you the right stocks in a news letter. They may get it right, but if they were able to read the future, they don’t need your $99 a year. If they are all so great at picking stocks, why do they always use the March 2009 date as the starting point of how well their stock choices have done!!! Sure, the stock went up 238% after it went down 300% first and took 5 years to reach its high point. People are such suckers.
Would like to get a copy of the book : “The great game-Action Plan. What do I have to do ?
I agree…no one really knows what’s going to happen. But newsletters can give you quite a bit to chew on for a reasonable price….just because someone in a news letter likes it doesn’t mean it’s going to go down, either. I also like getting different points of view.
I bought a little $LMT not on this news, but the fission news at ~$173.
I realize that’s an even more outrageous longshot than this Graphene filter, which I had also heard of, but the idea of a defensive stock that was paying a relatively safe 3.5% dividend, and would protect my portfolio on downturns with a way outside shot of a huge payoff if some of these SciFi projects ever become reality, wasn’t such a bad idea.
When the stock went to $205, I sold half of that position, so my investment is protected down to $147.5. (IRA)
Sorry for the war story, It just seems to me that $LMT is a bit of an interesting 2-way play. A crazy technology spec, and a solid defensive dividend payer.
Though as a pure aerospace play, I prefer and own Boeing.
Dan D.
C5’s arent made anymore – since 1982 .
I actually watched the whole Moors video from Money Morning. Near the end, he mentions America’s “checkmate”move. It was almost a throwaway, and it seems a bit Perpetual Motion-ey, but he mentions a super-secret “fortress” somewhere on a river that “alters the molecular state of oil” and takes 100 barrels of crude and turns it into 135 barrels of clean, green, “renewable” “FREE” oil, which, of course, would change everything. Any idea what tha’s about? Have you already covered it? I’d love to see that one given the Gumshoe treatment in a future edition!
Hi Ralph. It’s a long shot but maybe the company I posted in new discussions is the one,
I found a company that has a lot of patents in nanotechnology that apply to oil.
Discussion posted tonight “Oil…Gas conversion…Nanotechnology”
Best regards
Too bad that $LMT appears to be such a good long term investment. Historically war has been the most common direct cause of economic crashes. They are also at times necessary in order to obtain or preserve freedom. Regardless of the hyperbole in this pitch, the India/Pakistan conflict is worrisome, as is Russia/Ukraine (or Ukrainian civil war, as some would call it).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/01/ukraine-unofficially-has-272-percent-inflation/
Agree I like LMT as a player with top defense technology that the US will keep going for military reasons…regardless of whether we like the politics…Long LMT