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“The Greatest Leap of Mankind… Unlimited FREE Energy” (Dr. Kent Moors’ Picks Revealed)

Moors says: "If you could only own one solar company for the next 10 years, this would be the one." Which? Answers from the Thinkolator

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, November 18, 2015

This email pitch from Dr. Kent Moors for his Energy Advantage newsletter seems to have hit just about every inbox in North America. It has come in under a bunch of different subject lines, from “stunning breakthrough set to make OPEC obsolete” to “$5 stock make OPEC obsolete” to “Say ‘Goodbye’ to Your Electric Bill… Forever!” to “This could be the end for big oil” and “it all starts with a tiny grain of sand.”

But yes, all those subject lines and notes from a dozen different newsletters and pundits link to the same ad from Dr. Kent Moors which launches with an enticing spiel about how these tiny grains of sand are going to provide unlimited free energy.

This is an absurdly long sales pitch for Moors’ newsletter… when I print it out, it runs to 40 some pages, and he doesn’t actually get around to admitting that it’s solar power he’s talking about until page 13. And he goes to some length to push aside the concerns that many investors might have about solar by saying that it’s different now…

“Now, am I talking about solar energy? Are these energy particles the basis for what we call solar power?

“Well, yes and no…

“Technically speaking, this perpetual energy comes from the infinite power of the Sun.

“But this NEW GENERATION is completely different from what most folks imagine when they think of traditional solar power.

“I don’t know about you, but when I think of solar power, I think of expensive, cumbersome panels plastered all over my neighbor’s roof.

“And I think of liberals taxing me into oblivion so they can make everybody ‘green.’

“Rest assured, today’s new solar power has changed so much, it’s virtually UNRECOGNIZABLE.”

So yes, in the end he’s pitching some solar stocks — what are they?

A bit more of a taste from the ad to get you setarted:

“And while there will be numerous plays coming down the pike, you will NEVER have another opportunity like you have today – right now!

“You see, at the center of this energy revolution sits one tiny company that’s about to go from virtual obscurity to household name.

“Their revolutionary technology has completely transformed the way this fuel is harvested.

“At the same time, they have over 750 patents protecting their market share.

“To say this company is in the driver’s seat would be an understatement of epic proportions.

“At this moment, every major energy player on the planet is banging on their door looking for cheap energy.

“In fact, their client roster is a ‘who’s who’ of global energy players.”

I’ll try to spare you the long and drawn out spiel (you’ve already gotten it, I imagine, or you can see it here if you want the whole magilla), but let me try to pull out a few of the better clues about this “tiny company” at the “center of this energy revolution” so we can feed the Thinkolator and make sure we get the right answer…

“They’ve already locked in enormous long-term deals with the likes of Walmart, Google, the U.S. Department of Defense, and New York City.

“In addition, cities, companies and countries from around the globe – the biggest energy consumers on the planet – are rushing to harness this company’s innovative technology.

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“I’m talking about China, India, and even Saudi Arabia!

“Domination of this emerging sector is near certain… and early investors could see a potential 10, 15, 25 times their money BEFORE this even gets going full steam.”

OK, so that’s a few clues. More…

“This company is tiny.

“And with even a small piece of the potential $48 trillion flowing toward it, the expansion is going to be off the charts.

“We’re talking 80,000% potential growth. And that’s being conservative…

“And at this moment, they are preparing an announcement that will likely send their stock into orbit, delivering early investors 10, 15, even 25 times their money, for starters.”

He doesn’t say much more about what that “announcement” might be, but he does then move on to the chemical engineering advancements and technology that he says has allowed this company to help cut costs by “a mind-blowing 99%”…

“The company I’m recommending today has taken solar cells to a whole new level… helping bring the cost of solar power down by a stunning 99%.

“And the way it works is amazing.

“In fact, their patented technology turns grains of sand, right off the beach, into highly efficient, wafer-thin solar cells that deliver dirt-cheap energy.”

Isn’t that what they all do? Turn sand into purified silicon and polysilicon and slice it into wafers? Well, apparently this particular company has some improved technology… here’s how he describes it:

“During the process, very small particles of Si called “seeds” are suspended in a cloud of gas.

“Si in the gas attaches to other Si particles, forming larger and larger beads.

“These beads eventually drop out of the gas like rain….

“The beads are then melted and formed into wafer-thin slices of 99.99% pure Si…

“The technology is 1,000% more efficient than the industry standard.

“And the big thing: The cost…

“Again, traditional solar cells delivered energy at a cost of $76 per KWH.

“This company’s technology is so efficient, and creates such pure Si, they are supplying a utility company with solar at 5 cents per KWH.”

That’s not a fair or recent comparison, I expect, nor is it the work of solely this (or any) company, I think we should note. I’m not sure where he’s getting the $76 number, but it is true that solar module costs were about $76/watt back in 1977 (they’ve fallen to close to 50 cents/watt now, but were in the $5-10 range for most of the 1980s-early 2000s). That’s different from the cost per KWH that utilities are actually paying for electricity — but five cents per KWH is now pretty much the average cost of utility-scale solar projects. I think that’s where the number comes from, because later in the pitch he says “the cost of solar technology has plummeted from over $76 per watt to about 5 cents per watt” — which isn’t really accurate if you’re talking about the cost of modules, but, yes, we’ll stipulate that costs are way down throughout the solar power industry even as we argue that no one company is responsible for that 40-year drop in costs.

Photovoltaic electricity generation costs have fallen more than any other electricity generation costs over the past five years, and Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway has so far signed the cheapest solar power purchase agreement I’ve seen at under four cents per KWH from a Nevada solar farm. Costs have been coming down dramatically, with the two biggest impacts (if you ignore clean energy subsidies, which fluctuate) probably coming from both the falling cost of silicon and the falling cost of financing (solar power facilities don’t price their power based on the ongoing cost of fuel, because there isn’t any, they price it on what it costs to build the facility and how much it costs them to finance that construction — low interest rates may be as important as falling polysilicon prices).

So what is the “tiny company” Moors is touting with pronouncements like, “If you could only own one solar company for the next 10 years, this would be the one?”

We’ve got a bunch of clues in that miasma of hype we’ve gone through so far, but here’s one more:

“they signed a deal with Southern California Edison and PG&E, the nation’s two largest utility companies, to convert California’s power grid into solar.”

Uh oh. Is this maybe the worst-timed teaser pitch in history? The ads just started running early yesterday, as the stock was in the process of falling another 30%+ in a single day, part of a drop of 50% in just the past week following their earnings report… and, in total now, a drop of 90% since the peak in mid-July.

Yes, this is the stock that has almost singlehandedly destroyed a handful of hedge funds this year: SunEdison (SUNE).

Or maybe, reports the hopeful optimist, this is a well-timed pitch because the stock is bottoming out?

I don’t know — there is very little margin for error in SunEdison these days, largely because of the huge leverage they employed and the instability of the financial engineering platform on which they perched this company.

I used to know a little bit about SunEdison many years ago, back when they were MEMC Electronic Materials and were a producer of the high quality polysilicon wafers used in semiconductors and, later, solar panels. For a while there they had a nice pricing advantage, they got a good foothold on the wafer business partly because they were a serial acquirer, and demand was high… but the story has changed a bit in the years since then, they bought SunEdison back in 2009 and they’ve more recently moved to jettison the wafer production and become more of a “pure” solar company with a focus on large, utility-scale solar projects like those that SunEdison was just starting to complete six years ago, and before long they changed the name of the company to match this new focus.

And, with a push from the hedge fund guys starting a year or two ago, they tried to “create value” by committing to build huge projects but then spinning off their cash-flowing, stable assets into “yieldco” trading vehicles, companies that own solar power plant projects and the like but don’t really do anything other than pay for maintenance, collect checks, and spit out their cash to shareholders… and issue new shares to buy new projects from their “parent”… kind of like a MLP.

The figuring was that these “yieldco” companies, as they bought the solar power plants that were “dropped down” after SunEdison built them and signed long-term contracts for the power, would essentially be a cheap source of financing, because income investors would lap them up. And now, with SUNE sitting on a big ol’ pile of debt and the yieldcos trading with a dividend yield of 10%, there’s no cheap financing to be had and SUNE, now that they can’t roll over financing by selling stuff at a stiff price to the yieldcos, is essentially getting the equivalent of margin calls on the acquisitions they committed to earlier this year.

This is either a horrible time to buy, because there is a substantial risk of the company actually defaulting on debt and having even more serious issues, or a great time to buy because they’ve bottomed out and they do still own a lot of valuable power plants, and will be building more. I haven’t scoured the books, but even the analysts are having trouble modeling the outcome — not unlike Valeant, this is a shocking drop for a stock that was built to please hedge funds, who always believe that more value can be “unlocked” by some new financial structure or strategy, and showed so much strength and momentum just months ago.

SUNE was a $5 billion company a year ago, and (very briefly) a $10 billion company back in July, and now the market cap is under a billion dollars and still falling (well, OK, it’s up a few percent so far today — but do you know what it takes to recover from a 90% drop? That’s right, a gain of 900%… you don’t see those very often).

And they have $10 billion in long-term debt and another $3 billion in the minority interests that presumably represent their holdings in Terra Power and Terra Global, the two yieldcos… which also are worth far less than they were a few months ago. I don’t know if Dr. Kent Moors follows a stop loss strategy with his Energy Advantage newsletter recommendations, but if he does this might be one of those odd cases where a position could have been stopped out at the very moment that the teaser ad is beginning its heavy circulation (if you’re a subscriber, I’d be curious to hear if there was a response to today’s drop — which, unlike the earnings drop a week ago, was not caused by a known-in-advance catalyst)

And yes, if you’re dotting your i’s and crossing your t’s and want to make sure the Thinkolator is right, Google did provide about $145 million of financing for one of SunEdison’s projects, their Kern County solar plant in California that was subsequently dropped down to Terra Power (TERP). Presumably that money is part of the debt SunEdison is carrying on the books, though the debt may have all dropped down to TERP as well. Not sure how they account for debt or if SUNE still has a controlling stake in TERP.

And yes, SUNE does also have about 750 patents, and they claim to have a technology, much as Moors describes, for creating high purity silicon — they think it will let them get module costs down to 40 cents per watt, which would be 10-20% cheaper than what the cheapest high-volume producers in China have been able to do so far… they describe that process, which they call Fluidized Bed Reactor Technology (FBR), in general terms on their website here.

More hype from Moors, in case you’re running low:

“Think of an octopus, an ever-expanding octopus with 750 arms, reaching around the globe, into every country, every utility company, every corporation…

“Every aspect of the rapidly expanding solar sector… and pulling out big fat profits.

“They are so integrated in every phase of solar that they’re bound to expand in direct proportion to the niche itself.

“It is impossible to project how far they could go, because we’ve simply never seen a situation like this before.”

That’s probably true, it’s impossible to project how far they could go — but one possibility, and it’s not a non-trivial possibility given their huge debt service obligations, is that it could go to zero. I don’t know what the covenants are on their debt, if any, but from what I read they can’t currently afford to pay the debt service from their existing cash flow, so something has to give. They either have to find new buyers for their new solar projects, either the yieldcos or someone else (and the yieldcos aren’t in any shape to pay a decent price right now), or they need financing from some other source. With the stock at $3 it is tempting to assume that there is enough value to protect at least a little sliver of equity like that from being wiped out — and there probably is, but the risk is still high when the balance sheet swings so far over to debt. If things do bounce back, or if the fear subsides over SUNE (and some analysts are certainly standing up for them and think the stock should still be well over $10, though even Deutsch Bank, which defended their $28 target a week ago, cut it to $16 this week), then the rise in the share price could be phenomenal… leverage has taken them down so far, but it cuts both ways — if things turn, that leverage could also send them flying higher. There was no mention of “bottom fishing” in the teaser pitch from Dr. Moors, but that’s what you’d be trying to do if you buy SUNE here… sometimes it works, sometimes what you thought was the bottom (like $5 for SUNE last week?) turns out to not be so solid.

Your money, so it’s your call — what do you think? Expecting SUNE to recover? Think they’ll dominate the solar industry with their utility-scale projects and their new FBR process? Let us know with a comment below.

(And yes, I know Dr. Moors also teased a couple other solar picks in this ad — but I’m out of time, I’ll get to them for you tomorrow.)

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Vance
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Vance
November 30, 2015 10:48 am

I considered that today BFish. But, in the end went with nearer term calls on SUNE. I suppose I was persuaded by finding next to no volume/open interest in the further out / Leap options. I did find plenty of open interest in the nearer term calls…How old of positions, do not know.

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Kim
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Kim
December 2, 2015 4:08 pm

Thank you, I really thought I may be missing something big. I can’t believe I watched the whole thing. I so appreciate you clearing the air. 🙂

David
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December 3, 2015 3:08 pm

What is the ticker for this?

mc
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mc
December 4, 2015 9:48 am

Why must these scams run so long in video and print. Do they somehow gains some advertising revenue for keeping one online for so long or somehow slipping in some program on your cpu. I’ve started to watch some of these and as soon as they start with blah blah and are not into the meat of it withing 1 min I am gone. B unch of BS!

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Costas C
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Costas C
December 4, 2015 11:11 am

Yeah, until ppl wise up to these tactics. They won’t always be able to fool some ppl all of the time.

don_x
January 1, 2016 10:27 pm

Maybe they think if you hang in for the whole presentation, you’ll buy because you’ve already invested a lot of energy in hearing them out.

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Francis
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December 7, 2015 11:56 am

I guess he gave his game away when he mentioned 750 patents. By googling it, I found SUNE and its horrible price plunge, and of course this website, which gives very good analysis.
Thanks

Jacob R
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Jacob R
December 13, 2015 2:32 pm
Reply to  Francis

Same here!

randy
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December 7, 2015 10:29 pm

I look at http://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/SUNE/ quite a bit. The history of buy and sell recomendations for SUNE are there for the past year, more. There are a lot of buy recomendations. Also, looking at the Marketbeat page, a lot of target price lowering is going on. The recomendations on marketbeat are not news letter pundent like Dr. Moor.

Question? Which is worse, a pundent like JPMorgan Chase & Co., Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, or Dr.Moor, Oxford Club, etc.?

It seems like SUNE is sitting on at least soemwhat of a trojphy like asset and it is hard to believe that their stock price could go to $0. But like it has been pointed out, they are in dept. I would wait and see what happens when interest rate are raised to see what happens to their dept profil. When interest rates are raised, their stock price will probably take another dump in the woods. If one waits, could get in at a better price.

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bbpernell
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December 9, 2015 12:24 pm

looks like pump and dump to me. as several noted , short if you want to make mulah. always check travis first before you buy long or short. good trading.

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rprozesky
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December 10, 2015 8:18 pm

I listened to the last earnings call. The CEO mentioned that they are busy licencing out the technology they developed or starting joint ventures. No agreements in place yet, but the amount mentioned in the call was $1B per agreement. One of those hit the revenue line and the share will surely pop. Also, the CEO mentioned that they can pick and choose their contracts and territories now because they get more requests than they can handle. He indicated that they only pick the most profitable contracts now. He indicated that his focus is now to make SUNE a boring company, i.e., his focus will be on making the financials look good and not on ruling the solar energy world. Tough to believe that a company with such a strong revenue stream will not make a rebound. I am bullish on it at $3.50 or lower and predict that the stock will go up to at least $9 before the end of 2016. This is my biggest holding in my speculative portfolio. I was lucky enough to get in at $3 and will buy even more if it falls below that again.

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Brian Bishop
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Brian Bishop
December 10, 2015 10:18 pm
Reply to  rprozesky

Is $9 your exit price? It’s possible, but you have to remember that it is a $3-$4 stock now. That would be a 150% or so gain. It will be interesting to hear updates from management with respect to progress that the company is making and debt repayment obligation. Earnings for Q4 and Q1 will also be important to hear before having a good judgement from now. I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as I am sure that many others are also. It is one of those companies in the headlines quite frequently.

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rprozesky
December 16, 2015 3:51 pm
Reply to  Brian Bishop

$9 is my “save exit price”. Now with the tax credit extended. I’m up to $15. Agreed, I will be listening to their Q4 and Q1 earnings calls with great anticipation. I know they are going to present things in as a best a light as possible, but you can also pick up on positives that are not in the financials. I have to admit, I don’t follow their financials in detail. I look at revenue and total shares outstanding (including effect of conversion options). I divide $15/15 for a P/E ratio (sunny weather P/E ratio). I take $1 earnings per share and multiply it by the shares outstanding. That gives earnings (net profit). I times that with 100/10 (optimistic net profit margin of 10%) and I see if the resulting sales number is within their reach. It’s a shortcut for pre-profit businesses, it helps. I add to that management’s optimism during the earnings call.

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Brian Bishop
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Brian Bishop
December 10, 2015 10:08 pm

Here it is on the 10th of December and I received the emails from Kent. I am an email subscriber mostly to hear about the lastest in oil and energy forecasts. I read the report and wanted to know what stock he was referring to. He makes it sound like a small start up company with a breakthrough solar technology. I almost clicked on the subscribe for $49.00 button to get the ticker, but decided to research for myself. After sifting through the search engines for a half hour or so, I finally found Stock Gumshoe. Duh!!!,, Iv’e come across your sight before and I am so glad that I did again this time.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT ENERGY ADVANTAGE IS TOUTING SUNE STILL. Hahaha!!! That is
hilarious, after watching the stock tumble so much over the last month!! What the hell is he thinking? I sure do feel sorry for any new investor that comes across his email and subscribes without know the full story of SUNE, TERP, and GLBL. That is a damn shame for him to still be recommending this company. Investors have lost crazy money on these stocks and they could still possibly lose more.
Thank you GumShoe for the continued efforts and research into these subscriber solicitation emails. You saved me today. I should know better by now, these emails are relentless in attempting to sell their horrible services. Any MoneyMap Press is another one. Please anyone paying attention avoid, do your homework, and best investing or trading. Thanks.
Brian.

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Glen
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Glen
December 17, 2015 11:27 am
Reply to  Brian Bishop

Sooo…yesterday and today stocks in SunEdison are shooting through the roof…what say yee now?

Jack H
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Jack H
December 21, 2015 7:28 pm
Reply to  Glen

Hey Glen, Ever heard of a dead cat bounce???

ragan77
ragan77
December 13, 2015 12:07 am

I am a new e-mail member and wish I had researched before shelling out $79 for a 2-year membership to Energy Advantage. The reason I found this place was Kent Moors wanted to let me in to his “Energy Inner Circle” for a mere $1950 for a year. I am very interested in his report on an asymmetrical trade with crude oil where you can make money whether oil goes up or down (the “Win Both Ways Oil Trade). I was really considering putting the money up to get the report and then making use of his 30 day money back guarantee. I have read so much on this page about his hype and the difficulties one individual has had in getting a refund that I won’t risk it.
If anyone knows about this trade, I still would like to know about it– who wouldn’t?
Thanks to all.
Don

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Costas C
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Costas C
December 13, 2015 3:54 pm
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So the initial invitation was just a ‘hook’ for an even bigger outlay for the unique privilege of being a member of his ‘inner circle’. Nice. Presumably, it wouldn’t end there either, coz then you’d be contending with the recs he makes to his ‘inner circle’, the most likely outcome of which would be to put you in hock to even bigger losses. So look on the bright side. At least you managed to mitigate your losses. Put it down to experience pal, and just be a bit more conscientious with your dd next time round. I’d say you got off lightly. $79 for a valuable lesson is cheap at the price.

Dave
Dave
December 13, 2015 9:23 pm
Reply to  ragan77

Ragan, you might want to look into a cancellation of your membership and then a refund of the $79. Most of these companies are pretty good about allowing subscribers to change their minds.

Costas C
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Costas C
December 14, 2015 8:58 am
Reply to  Dave

Also a plan. Worth a try. Thank you Dave.

INFORMER
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December 23, 2015 8:49 pm

Dr. Kent Moors and his 360MB MP4 monologue. He must be second only to the famous Congressman from North Carolina who defended some filibustering speech, by saying he was speaking to the people of Buncombe. The utter waffle that man comes out with becomes almost painful, when you have to hear his voice droning on for more than half an hour.

it’s all gone a bit Pete Tong though for this “miracle stock” !
we have already had the “dead cat bounce”, and now it’s
time for the undertaker ….. cue Berkshire Hathaway ?

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Richard
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January 3, 2016 1:30 pm
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If I hear the phrase “this energy” one more time I’m going to f*** scream. Could not make it through the hideous monologue.

True Believer
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True Believer
December 24, 2015 9:38 pm

Why is it so difficult to accept that, if the cost of sollar power went from $76/watt down to $0.05/watt, SUNE
Could skyrocket?
What about the impact of the recent
Global conference in Paris on Climate Control? Doesn’t that spell the demise
Of coal, oil, and significant reduction
Of nuclear energy! Wind power has serious inherent problems and it can not become dramatically less expensive than it is!

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pat
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December 26, 2015 6:10 am
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Oh, I don’t know about that. All these heads of state might have been conferencing in Private on how they were going to Prolong Big Oil, Coal, Gas, etc.

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Alberta Investor
January 24, 2016 5:25 pm
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I can’t believe that they were behind closed doors trying to figure out how to prolong big oil, gas and coal. In Alberta, we recently elected a new government, who is has made it very clear that the coal and natural gas fired electrical generation with in the Province of Alberta will be dramatically curtailed. They will be taxing the life out of any electrical producer and users who refuses to end their dependence on fossil fuels for producing their electricty. You must remember that Alberta is the fossil energy centre of Canada. Home of the oil sands. I know Premier Rachel Notley and she’s no friend of big oil. Alternative energy and her are the best of buds. The previous Premier would not have even mentioned, never mind attend, the Paris Climate conference. There’s a big change coming to Alberta if this government can stay in power. Won’t happen over night, but they are coming. Fight it or embrace it, but don’t think it’s not going to happen.

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Joe
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Joe
January 28, 2016 11:43 pm

Don’t be so naive.

BJI
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BJI
February 5, 2016 8:04 pm

Solar power in Canada? Will there be a square mile that ISN’T covered with solar cells???!!!

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c. r. aiello
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c. r. aiello
March 9, 2016 11:05 am

Yes, I’m afraid there is a big change coming to Alberta. The NDP government will do what it history has shown it will do, destroy. It is hard to believe that a little over a year ago , Alberta was at the top of its game. Then came the drop in the price of oil, and after that, the election of an NDP government. Alberta, and its people are resilient, we have recovered from oil busts, we know how to weather that storm, but an NDP government is something that has never been tried here before, and people are now starting to realize why. Rachel Notley has said that Alberta has the highest standard of living in the country, but the lowest minimum wage. She intends to fix both. By the time the NDP is through with the province Alberta, it will no longer have the highest standard of living, but it will at least have the highest minimum wage. Alberta is living in a nightmare.

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Spaman
Spaman
June 2, 2016 7:41 pm

Canada destroyed itself with that election and it was doing so well…

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desi_erasmus
desi_erasmus
January 3, 2016 12:12 pm
Reply to  True Believer

The discussion of SUNE’s debt structure is very helpful. No matter how wonderful the product is, if you’ve accumulated so much debt that the earnings will be eaten up by debt service (or not even adequate for that, so you default on the debt), the return to equity holders will be nada. No stock will “skyrocket” if its future earnings that would fuel a price rise are missing.

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Al
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Al
January 10, 2016 1:10 pm
Reply to  True Believer

Sorry, wind can be lots cheaper. There is a thing called the Tension Turbine. Much better technology, and about 70 percent lighter than the three bladed monsters.

True Believer
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True Believer
December 24, 2015 9:45 pm

Many countries have no oil and they maybe prevented from using coal?
In that case don’t you thing such ridiculously cheap solar energy will be welcome?

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pat
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pat
December 26, 2015 6:13 am
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….Only if Big Oil, Coal and gas can take it over first. The we’ll be paying through the nose all over again for it being “new”, “untested”, blah blah blah. Like Marijuana. It won’t go completely legal until the Tobacco/Cigarette companies place themselves first in line to monopolize it.

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King Yu
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King Yu
December 25, 2015 7:19 pm

Always study and verify what you are getting into, empty hypes and promises will give you nothing in return. If something is so good, it should be able to summarize on a one page statement. There are many solar companies in the markets, very competitive and some are not doing well, especially shell companies that do nothing more than paper works.

laketangler
December 26, 2015 2:30 pm

SUNE has been a very profitable stock for me because of the volatility it has exhibited. I have sold puts (40) twice at $3.00, and once at $2.50 in the past 3 months, and all have expired worthless, giving me a net profit of $4,845.00. I will continue this process as long as the volatility continues. I would be happy to own 4,000 shares at $3.00 if one of my future puts fills.

Laketangler

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Jane
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Jane
December 26, 2015 10:18 pm
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Good idea. Didn’t realize it traded in options.

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Normally Dubious
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December 30, 2015 9:40 pm
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Yes, it was once bigger, so there are options available. Perhaps you would like a $2 call against their $5 stock price?

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Sarah W.
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Sarah W.
January 21, 2016 8:22 pm

Yes. would like a $2 call against their $5 stock price.
How?

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March 3, 2016 4:10 am
Reply to  Sarah W.

Hope u didn’t jump in…;It’s now $1.79 !!

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laketangler
January 10, 2016 12:29 pm
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Ho Hum, another big drop for SUNE. Another 40 puts (Jan 22 expiration) for $3.00 @ .37 for a return of $1,455.00. If this one happens to fill, I will own 4000 shares @ a total cost of $5,700.00, or a cost per share of $1.43 if you take into account the Option premiums above plus the latest premium from January 6, 2016. I keep hoping one of these puts will fill so that I can then sell covered calls as the stock bounces back up again. This has been a beautiful stock to play options because of the massive volatility. If I don’t fill this time I may just buy the shares and wait for the next rebound above $5.00 and then sell the covered calls. That way I can play the volatility from both sides of the equation.

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archives2001
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March 3, 2016 4:12 am
Reply to  laketangler

What’ll u do if it keeps on going to $0.00 ? It’s at $1.79 now !

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Keith
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December 27, 2015 7:43 pm

A few companies (like REC, GCT, and Edison) have been developing FBR technology to purify Silicon to make polycrystalline polysilicon … If they can commercialize it and get decent product, they could dramatically cut production costs compared to the mainstream Siemens process, which ironically, is an energy HOG!. Cells produced using the traditional metallurgical / trichlorosilane / Siemens reactor process have to operate for years just to create an amount of energy that was required to produce them in the first place. So the FBR technology could actually be a game-changer.

arch1
December 28, 2015 1:50 am

Before buying into the hype look at some realistic reporting. such as this;
http://www.pv-tech.org/guest-blog/fbr_polysilicon_technology_promise_or_hype

There is a big hurdle be overcome in turning an idea into a commercially viable operation and early estimates are usually way too optimistic. Solar cells may get by with a lower grade of silicon than computer chips but lower quality will mean lower output and/or less life of the cells. There is much more involved than silicon price. IMHO

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Bill Gilmore
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December 29, 2015 9:03 pm

The following may not seam relevant, but it’s basically the reason the Islamic ‘black hornets’ nest is being slapped.

Mans carbon nano future, the ‘carbon age’ (man made carbon based materials that way outperform therefore replace everything) can only come about with cheap, safe, clean, abundant, energy, which for the first 200 approx years of the ‘carbon age’ can mostly only come from LFTR (thorium MSR fission). In the ‘carbon age’ man can concentrate on the beauty of nature instead of using nature.. For example, wood will only be needed as visual comfort, not as structure anymore.. Man made carbon materials will require lots of carbon, which will have to come from fossils, leaving hydrogen as a useful byproduct.. http://phe.rockefeller.edu/AustinDecarbonization/index_files/image006.gif

Carbon nano’s require lots of energy to create, so the ‘carbon age’ is impossible without very low cost energy. Instead of fuel, fossils are orders of magnitude better for carbon nano raw material resource + they have hydrogen byproduct (fuel cells).

Of course there’s a lot more to it, but if you knew what the ‘carbon age’ does for humanity you would understand.. You see, the current beast over humanity can not survive in the ‘carbon age’, it must destroy progress, or die. This is the big picture, the nut of the problem humanity faces, but getting humanity to realize this isn’t easy.. You’re on the right track, because freedom trumps terror, and the more freedom the faster man will get to the ‘carbon age’.

100% efficiency solar panels would still be a joke in comparison to LFTR.

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Coldwater Fred
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December 29, 2015 10:49 pm

Keith points out that the relatively meager output of PV solar panels can take years
to equal the energy required to produce the panels themselves. Another significant point is that the energy density from the sun is only about 11 lumens per square foot here in the central U S and it is only practical to recover it for about 5 hours a day unless you add the considerable expense of tracking arrays. Solar is not a practical economical alternative to fossil fuels. Groups like the Thorium Alliance believe that small and safe molten salt reactors are a much wiser investment. The technology was developed and proven at Oak Ridge 65 years ago. The Chinese are pursuing it.

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February 8, 2016 12:13 am
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Considering China’s energy needs vs. the US’s subservience to oil co’s, I’d bet on China.

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Ken
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December 30, 2015 8:07 am

I get the impressing that all of this BS is financed by taxpayer subsidy. A better us of that subsidy would be to encourage conversion of residences and schools to ground heat systems.

D
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D
February 2, 2016 1:15 pm
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Subsidy is it when it comes to solar. It’s now an overcapacity, glutted industry headed for dramatic consolidation.

If you’re serious and realistic about reducing fossil fuel pollution, the ways forward are natural gas and nuclear. The rest is hype — expensive, heavily subsidized hype.

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