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What’s the “Personalized Medicine” Pick teased by Extreme Fortunes?

Checking out Paul Mampilly's latest teaser pitch for 1,000% gains

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, February 9, 2017

Paul Mampilly is out with a new promo for his Extreme Fortunes newsletter, making this absurd promise:

“Anyone who joins my research service Extreme Fortunes, and invests $10,000 following my recommendations, will have the chance to earn a profit of $100,000… in the next year.”

So before we begin, let’s throw away that possibility. You’re not going to be able to think clearly about a stock if you go in with that kind of lottery-ticket mentality — and $10,000 is a lot more money than you would probably put into buying lottery tickets. Stocks do sometimes make 1,000% returns, though it’s extremely rare for it to be in a single year… and that promise implies that if you invest $10,000 into his basket of stocks or array of recommendations throughout the year you’ll have a chance at $100,000 in profits.

Some of those stocks are going to go down or provide very small returns, that’s just the nature of investing, so that means he has to have at least one pick that provides something far more dramatic, like 3,000-5,000% returns. (Alternately, if he said investing $120,000 a year, $10,000 into each pick each month, would present the possibility of one of those investments returning $100,000, the promise would be a little more rational but far less enticing).

But the newsletter publisher has something going for him: he knows that if Paul picks a stock that goes up 70%, subscribers will be delighted and will forget that they were promised 1,000% returns… and he also knows that while they’re promising those returns, they are NOT offering refunds on this newsletter, for any reason… so I’m not exactly sure what it is that’s behind that promise, other than Mampilly’s belief (probably sincere, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt) that he can turn $10,000 into $100,000 for you.

But then they put “Paul’s Track Record” in the ad, and that makes it a bit more clear — it looks like he’s just adding up the percentage returns from each investment and somehow magically making it look like that’s your investment return. So to cherry pick the best gains he claims, back in January (of last year, presumably) he recommended Coeur Mining, which gave him a 738.87% gain, the GDX ETF, which returned 106.8%, and NVIDIA, which returned 108.56%…. and the ad implies that you can add that 738.87 to 106.8 and 108.56 and somehow turn that into a 950% return. That’s not how percentages work.

Those are great trades, of course, assuming that you could actually make them in real life (the CDE trade, for example, means you bought on his recommendation on January 15, 2016 and then sold at the absolute peak on August 9 for a ~740% return — people almost never sell at the peak and I don’t know when he might have recommended a sale … if you held to today, that return would be more like 400%)…

… but even making that trade perfectly doesn’t get you even close to having a 1,000% return on your investments with Paul Mampilly — just use the example he’s offering today of a $10,000 investment that he says he can turn into $100,000 within the year. If you had $10,000 to invest in those three stocks last January, and divided it equally, you would, according to the ad’s return calculations, end up with roughly $27,900 in CDE, $6,900 in GDX, and $6,950 in NVDA. That’s $41,500. So that’s a lovely return of 315% on your $10,000 investment in January, and a gain probably made in only about a half a year, so that’s worth celebrating… but it’s not the far more dramatic 950%+ return that they claim (they actually claim 1,124.71%, but that’s adding on picks made in May and June and July last year which returned anywhere from 3.5% to 44%). The math isn’t made up, but it’s misleading.

So ratchet your expectations down a little bit, and then we’ll go into looking at the actual “Extreme Fortunes” stocks they’re recommending today. It’s never good to count on 1,000% short-term returns, but it is possible to make huge gains on stocks that are selected well, particularly if you have a lot more time than that… and sometimes Mampilly does choose good stocks (though not always, of course) — right now he’s riding on some attention here in Gumshoedom because he has been banging the table for STMicroelectronics (STM) since late last Spring and that stock has indeed done quite well (and, to be fair, I didn’t like STM when he was teasing it and I don’t like it now, so I’ve missed those returns personally).

That STM pitch was for Mampilly’s less expensive $79 “entry level” Profits Unlimited letter, and when you’ve got some investors who are excited about a good pick or few you’ve made the time is ripe to hit them up for “my even better ideas” — at a much richer price, naturally. So Extreme Fortunes is now being pitched as the “upgrade” letter for $2,995 (no refunds).

Mampilly then runs through a long list of stocks that his strategy would, after “rigorous backtesting” using the “DNA of stocks that are primed to jump,” have identified as potential 1,000% winners. But those aren’t actually stocks he recommended — he has had successful picks, of course, as have all newsletter pundits, but he’s not satisfied with those claims of gains of 355%, 634%, or even 2,539% in Sarepta Therapeutics, which is the example he keeps coming back to — he has to imply that somehow he would, using the system he’s suggesting today, also have found multi-year 1,000%+ (or even 10,000%+) winners in past years.

Always be skeptical of “my system would have found these gems back then and made you rich, if only we had discovered this fantastic system and shared it with you then” claims — identifying AMZN as a 50,000% winner in retrospect is easy, but it was far more difficult to pick it in the late 1990s, or even after the dot com crash (would you have have sold AMZN when it was dropping by 90% in 2001? If so, you missed a lot of that potential return), and it was more difficult still to stick with it for long enough to generate those absurdly high 50,000% returns. Backtesting makes fortune-making look easy — and backtesting that doesn’t include the possibility that some of the stocks that satisfy your backtest criteria probably lost 50% or 80% or 99% is disingenuous (the “system” itself uses pretty loose criteria, at least as described in the ad, so you could probably use it to claim almost anything you want).

So what are those criteria? What is it that Mampilly says he’s looking for? He says his “DNA” for stocks that are “primed to rally 1,000%” includes a few steps:

First, he says you need to find out “if the company is an industry disruptor” — here’s how he puts it:

“Finding disruptors is one of the foundational pillars of grabbing a 1,000% gain.

“This could be a new drug, new technology, a new system for doing things, a new medical device… the list is endless.

“But it has to disrupt the industry.

“And — this is key — I pay close attention to the potential market size for this disruptive company.

“If the potential market is small, the stock can only climb so much. But if it has a big potential market, the stock can easily climb 1,000%.”

That’s nothing shocking for growth investors, of course — that’s what David Gardner at the Motley Fool calls “Rule Breakers” stocks, and a lot of them fail… but the big winners do, like Amazon or Netflix or Priceline, generate staggering returns.

“Phase II is the number-crunching phase. Once I know a company is going to disrupt an industry, I need to make sure it has the potential to go up 1,000%.

“I look at a lot of numbers. Some are really basic.

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“For example, I want lower-priced stocks. Generally, I look for stocks that are priced between $1 and $25. Above that, and the odds of the stock going up tenfold diminish quickly….

“I also want companies with a market cap of $150 million to $3 billion. They still have a lot of room to go up….

“I want to find companies that currently have under $3 billion in sales, while growing sales an average of 10% to 20% a year.

“At this rate, a company would double its sales within five years … something which — without fail — catapults the stock price.”

And then he says that his other key criteria is “Insider Activity” — here’s how he puts it:

“Specifically, I look at insider buying and selling.

“If the C-level executives of a company don’t own a good portion of their own stock, I don’t want to touch it. Full stop….

“Insiders need to have millions of their own dollars at stake.”

So those are the criteria — small cap stock, low-priced, insider ownership, sales growth… what, then, is the one stock he focuses on as the big buy to lure in investors? Here’s how he introduces it:

“This is the most excited I’ve been about an investment in years. I expect people will be talking about this company decades from now, just as much as they talk about Pfizer in pharmaceuticals. It has all the makings of being a mega-sized company… and just like all those companies, anyone prudent enough to be there, at the ground-floor, stands to make money hand over fist in the months ahead….

“This company is at the heart of a relatively new science … a science already disrupting one of the largest markets … health care.

“It’s called precision medicine.”

What other clues do we get? Here’s what I culled out of the ad for you:

“Early-stage firms have already reaped huge returns — like Illumina, which is up 3,000% so far.

“But the real winner is emerging at this very moment … the company I am going to share with our viewers today. This company is specifically planning to dominate the precision treatment of cancer … positioning it for the $107 billion haul for cancer treatment in the short term…

“In fact, the Swiss pharmaceutical giant Roche just invested $1 billion in this company….

“I project sales to soar 70% by the end of this year, it has a market cap under $1 billion and the stock is priced under $25….

“… in the last year, insider ownership has doubled….

“The Roche purchase woke a sleeping giant … Wall Street.

“Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield and Byers — one of the largest venture capital firms in Silicon Valley — has now taken a large stake in this firm…

“Institutional giants like BlackRock, Vanguard and Oppenheimer quickly followed.

“I expect this company could move very, very quickly. Again, small stocks mean increased volatility, so those following my recommendations should be aware of the risk, keep the buy-up-to price in mind and avoid ‘chasing the stock’ too far.”

OK, so that is a fairly easy pile to chew on for the Mighty, Mighty Thinkolator — we’ll have to use the electric start during this snowy weather, but I got it chugging along pretty nicely, shoveled the whole pile in for you, and got the answer out right quick: This is Foundation Medicine (FMI).

Foundation Medicine is indeed a “personalized medicine” stock, focused on cancer treatment, and it fits all Mampilly’s criteria — it has a market cap of about $850 million, is growing revenue at about 15%, and has a huge investment from Roche (Roche spent about a billion dollars to get a majority stake two years ago — that sent the stock flying, since Roche paid a huge premium for that controlling stake, but it fell back down starting a few months later and has spent most of the past 18 months bouncing between $15-25… it’s at the top of that range right now, and it appears to me that it’s probably Paul Mampilly’s pressure driving it up, since the stock has climbed about 25% in two days.

I don’t know whether the company’s fundamentals mean it should be trading at this $25 price, but I don’t see any fundamental change between Monday and today, and it was trading at $19 on Monday… so in these kinds of situations it’s always important to be a bit wary. Buying pressure doesn’t necessarily keep stocks moving up forever, particularly if it’s just buying pressure from a newsletter recommendation… that newsletter will move on and recommend different stocks, or the pundit might even suggest a sell at some point, you never know. Or maybe it’s the beginning of a massive blaze of enthusiasm, and the fire has just been lit — I tend on the side of skepticism after these kinds of pops, but I don’t know the stock well.

Analysts are predicting continued revenue growth for FMI, but not anything that will be in danger of tipping them over into profitability anytime soon — they’re expected to lose $3 a share when they report in about two weeks, and another $3 a share in 2017 and $2 a share in 2018 on 20%ish revenue growth. They have already pre-announced 2016 numbers, in a press release that came out on January 9 and had little to no impact on the share price, so it seems silly to count on the earnings providing a positive surprise beyond that.

And the company also noted that this year, as they transition to a new CEO, they have the following non-financially-specific outlook:

“As part of Foundation Medicine’s commitment to being a partner for the patient journey, the company expects to advance a number of key business objectives in 2017. These include: advancing its universal, pan-cancer companion diagnostic assay through the FDA and CMS parallel review process to decision and launch in the second half of 2017; broadening Medicare and third-party payer coverage for its clinical CGP products; growing clinical volume across its product portfolio, including expanded global market presence; and expanding its biopharma business, including additional companion diagnostic collaborations and SmartTrials clinical trial access programs.”

The business essentially develops and sells genetic tests (comprehensive genomic profiling, CGP). These are used both in testing patients and identifying strains of cancer, and in making assessments about which treatment is best for which variety of tumor a patient might have. That is certainly an interesting business, though I don’t know what the competition is like or whether FMI is likely to see their market share in the testing business balloon because of any specific tests they’re hoping to roll out this year.

And with that, I’ll leave you to it — it’s not a stock I’m buying, but the Roche investment is an important foundation for the shares and they do have positive trends in terms of sales and testing volume so there is a real business that is improving… whether that means it’s worth the $600 million market cap it had before Roche invested a couple years ago, or the $500 million it fell to a year ago, or the $850 million it popped to this week when it hit $25 a share, I have no idea — that’s a lot of volatility for a company whose numbers do not change all that much, and which is nowhere near profitability even with pretty solid revenue growth projected, so you’ll have to make your own call. Let us know what you think with a comment below.

P.S. On the “insider ownership” bit FMI has been hit or miss over the past few years — they do have some substantial insider ownership, though it pales compared to Roche’s giant stake, but there has not been any buying over the past six months, just the (fairly typical) steady stream of relatively small sales from insiders. Having insider owners in itself is generally “a good thing,” all else being equal, though if you’re looking for the impact on shares the only real academic research into this indicates that the only thing that indicates a stock has a better chance of rising is when multiple C-suite insiders buy shares with their own money (i.e., not just getting a grant of stock or stock options that don’t cost them anything). Having employees who buy stock is far more compelling as a “tell” for possible good things happening than having employees who are given stock as part of their compensation.

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MoonLight
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August 20, 2017 5:27 pm

Hank,
Do you mainly trade stocks or options?

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August 20, 2017 5:34 pm
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I rarely EVER trade options. I have about 50 stocks going (at all times) and 1/2 different futures positions when I have confidence about their direction.

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August 25, 2017 5:35 pm

Just to answer the question that someone asked about TM service. Even though Paul is better than most, it’s still trash and garbage stuff. It’s true that NRG made a decent return, but there are also others that lost over 20% such as USG and ICPT. Some such as THO and CGNX are either down or flat. They will always try to sell their service to you by focusing on the ONE trade they made money, and they will never talk about the other TEN trades that they lost big money on. How many times do we have to hear about Paul’s Netflix recommendation over and over again on every promotion?? The bottom line is no one will help you get rich. They are interested in helping themselves get rich by selling you their “get rich scam”. Right now, half of Paul’s EF trades are down and I highly doubt any of them will get a 100% return this year, mind the outrageous 1000% return claim!
Speaking of scams, Agora financial is even worse. Some of their recommendations are down anywhere from 20-90%! No one will get you rich. If you can do it, they wouldn’t need to beg for your pitiful subscription fee. By not paying them these outrageous subscription fees, you are already $2000 to $4000 richer!
I think Hank might be the smartest investor here because he doesn’t pay these smucks thousands of dollars like some of the suckers here like us!! 🙂

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August 25, 2017 6:04 pm
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ML,

Of course you are mostly right. As for EF, I don’t know if PM has initiated any sells for his three big winners. I’m guessing surely NO for CRCM and FMI, but there’s a possibility he did with PI which, BTW, looks interesting again at its current lower price. (Frankly, I wouldn’t be selling FMI anyway, whether PM suggest so or not.)

In any event, I have recently bought 200 shares of PI and plan to get another 300 after watching the action for awhile.

Here’s the thing: All of us have to PARSE recommendations no matter whence they come. Surely we knew this beforehand, but if a reminder is in order then a reminder it is. Not all of PM’s recommendations are going to work. I mean some will be down right bad….and from the get-go!

That said, I am happy with PM. As I said over a month ago, I have used many of his ideas and found winners on my own…..from ‘the direction’ Paul provided. When I was a stockbroker, working for the big firms, there were ideas floated about every day–mostly horrible ones, BTW. I think of PM now as a broker in my old office…..but a good one.

As far as Profits Unlimited is concerned, it was one of the best 50 bucks I ever spent. And I believe that $50 is still paying off. I thought his most recent suggestion — again, in Profits Unlimited– along with the accompanying mega-trend analysis seemed thorough.

So much so, I am contemplating using an option strategy (selling puts/ and buying calls simultaneously) on the first big down day.

Food for thought.

MoonLight, I doubt you will ever be a “sucker” again. The school of Hard Knocks is the ONLY way to learn in the stock business. I am convinced of that. You won’t find a single Harvard guy in his 20’s that would be of any help in this business. Not a chance. (This game demands a different kind of smarts.)

Everything comes from experience.

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August 25, 2017 10:58 pm
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PI has returned nice gains. Initially a stock that went up $25. Then pulled back. Tied to Amazon thus to Whole Foods. FTC decision was due this week. Earlier this week I bought a call option that more Than doubled in a few days during the approval stage. If you watch how Wall Street manipulates emerging companies you can benefit from tagging along with their game Options can be tricky so make sure you do ur homework before pulling a trigger.

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August 26, 2017 9:54 am
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Actually I wasn’t referring to PI with my option thoughts. For one, PI, with its newer status, doesn’t have long-term options. For another, the fact that it is an IPO (still) makes it trickier than the devil, as you apparently agree.

I was referring to Mampilly’s latest piece coming from Profits Unlimited whereby he mentions a mature stock, one he has provided extensive research on–mainly that the stock is not a bankruptcy candidate and he underscores why.

Hence, sell the puts (if the stock goes down you get the stock at a cheaper recommended price) but, if it doesn’t, you finance the LONG-TERM CALLS going out to 2019 and get those calls for free.

As you know, your risk is the stock is a bust and goes down forever. That said, Mampilly explains why he thinks this won’t happen.

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August 25, 2017 8:41 pm
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EF picks are unlikely to reach 1000%. That is actually a good thing as year 2 will be free. I’m a 5 year plan and believe the returns will far outweigh the initial investment in the service. The ONLY guy that has a proven track record is Mampilly. TM may/may-not be a wise investment. Consider year 2 being “free” which halves the price. I steered away from this service for several reasons. First it doesn’t fit with future potential. Rather it tries to get returns now with no promise for “massive” gains ( a term over used by PM). IMO why buy into a service from a guy selling a 1,000% service for the same cost? Banyon Hill marketing is cheesy and JL Yastine speaks with forked tongue. Watch his pitches that predict gloom and doom at the same time tout “massive” gains. Screams “danger Will Robinson”. All analysts tout each other’s​ services which is a HUGE RED FLAG. I can say I have paid already paid for my EF Subscription with Mampilly profits. The rest will be pure gravy if you are not looking for instant gratification. Based on the Banyon Hill marketing platform you have to read between the lines for your specific investment strategy and goals.

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August 26, 2017 4:58 pm
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Hank,
I totally agree with you that PU is totally well worth the money. In fact, I think all of their newsletter are well worth $100/year. But paying $2,000 to $4,000 for their “premium service”, you are not really getting more bang for your bucks. (At least for the average investor).

Just Say’n,
I am glad that you already made out on EF and got your money’s worth. I didn’t have time to do my homework and constantly watch the money, so I just went with Paul’s recommendation on all the picks. Not only that I didn’t win back my subscription money, but actually I am down a few thousand dollars on top of the $3,000 subscription fee.

I think Hank made a really good point- you still have to do your own homework and can’t just totally rely on his recommendations. But then if I have that kind of time, why would and why should I still pay him $3,000 per year?

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August 28, 2017 5:54 pm
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Hank.. what do you think about Q, DGX and PM’s latest MXIM as part of his PU.

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August 28, 2017 6:48 pm
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I like the MXIM story….very much. Also think you can buy 100 shares here with the idea of having another 400 or so (so you get the percentages.)

I have put my toe in.

Mampillys thesis on MXIM, noting its cash holdings, was first rate. No bankruptcy for MXIM in its future.

I had looked at DGX and Q and I didn’t pull the trigger because of the cost. (There is no leverage available when 100 shares cost $10,000.)

And I have a LOT of stock right now.

That said, Q is a brilliant idea–a way to play the biotechs w/o worrying about getting an actual drug to come to fruition.

I suspect Mampilly may have seen an error in his ways: He has made too many biotech recommendations. Picking the right one/two/three biotechs is impossible in my book. This is a way around that problem.

There are a bunch of these stocks, however. CRL is another.

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September 29, 2017 6:57 pm
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MXIM pays an amazing 3% dividend. And it has raised dividends since 2002. It is a Dividend Aristocrat!

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August 28, 2017 6:31 pm

Eddie22,

Saw your query in the email alert but can’t find your comment anywhere in the thread! (This has happened twice now?)

Anyway, glad you are getting Barron’s digital.

Regarding IVAC, click magazine, past editions, 2016; its either the Dec 19 or Dec 26 edition. Read the article. “Interview.” Per the guy’s fundamental analysis, the enterprise value of IVAC suggests the stock HAS TO revisit the old high. But when is the question.

My notes to self this AM: “IVAC, watch 9.”

Obviously the stock is fooling around with holding at 9. ‘Nine’ may be a bit too cute, chart wise, for me to trust it yet. A ‘fake out’ down and a quick revisit back up might do the trick for me.

As we know Monday is a holiday. Holidays are technical events, often presaging major tops, bottoms and accelerations…. in either direction. The S&P looks to be up to something in the near future. A quick sudden jerk down is obviously one possibility. A sudden quick violent surprise down–so fast no one can get on board (except the best pros) may be the ONLY way for this market to correct.

It would be too good to be true because the market is loaded with Paul Mampilly-type stocks that haven’t even left the gate.

In other words, it’s a tricky week to get aggressive with starting/adding any positions, including IVAC.

Intermediate term, the market is going higher. That’s my guess for the day.

Lets keep talking. We all need ideas/help/luck. I’ll take any one of those.

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August 30, 2017 1:18 pm

Guys, what is the new bitcoin? that Paul is promoting/recommending now.

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August 30, 2017 8:03 pm
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I didn’t know there are actually 2 people with the username MoonLight here. Sorry guys, different person.

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August 31, 2017 11:38 am
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its the EMcoin that Banyanhill is all over.

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August 30, 2017 3:19 pm

Is it Kin? It’s been around since 2009 and it’s going to do ICO (initial coin offering) on September 12th.

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September 1, 2017 1:15 pm
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no, because the coin is already used, and as a way to book hotels, nothing to do with pharmaceuticals

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September 6, 2017 8:56 am

Did PAUL announce his new bitcoin recommendation?

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September 6, 2017 10:26 pm

Paul and his EF team are very dishonest in calculating the supposedly “gains”. The claimed entry price for each pick now is based on the price when he sends his email out, which all EF subscribers are well aware of the fact that there is NO WAY you can actually buy any of his picks at those prices. But the time the email is out, it is already jacked up at least 12-15%. So even if you are actually following his guide and losing money, they still claim “gains” based on his trades.
What infuriates me is on their new EF promo, they claim, “Several of our recommendations are already beating the stock market by 200%, 500% and even 600%.” THIS IS BS and FALSE advertising. As a subscriber, I can tell you his highest gain pick at this point is under 86%, and that’s with cheated calculation! Not all of his picks are winners. He is only batting 61.53% as of 9/6/17…..

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September 7, 2017 12:47 pm
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That’s a very good point you make. I blinked with his new recommendation pCOM and its already up 22%

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September 23, 2017 5:22 pm

Bottom line Is he worth it? Looking to join Lots of info here

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September 24, 2017 8:35 am
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PM picks with EF are worth it if you don’t expect 1,000% gains short term. I’m a 5 year plan so can stomach the volatility most picks experience early on.

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September 25, 2017 12:38 am
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Good for you. You might be the only person who actually has that kind of patience, time and money to waste on them.:) I already paid $3,000 for the service. If they can’t deliver what they promised, don’t expect me to pay them any more money. I am sure most subscribers would agree with me. Think about it, if their promo is “1,000% return within 5 years”, I highly doubt most people would be interested or willing to pay $3,000 for it!

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September 25, 2017 8:12 am
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None of the picks will come close to the 1,000% guarantee. The 2nd year will be free. I look at it as $1,500 for the year with more picks to come. This because they didn’t deliver what they promised. The return on the service fee should pay itself off easily IF, IF, you can be patient.

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September 25, 2017 12:10 pm
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ya I see his Profits unlimited and EF as profitable .. might not be what they promised but yet. … you make more money compared to others.

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October 3, 2017 8:09 am

Does anybody know PM’s new recommendation – the heart of the electric vehicle industry.

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October 3, 2017 11:28 am
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Yes, anyone? If you know, please share.

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October 4, 2017 7:04 pm

Paul Mampilly’s latest extreme fortunes pick is Kandi, KNDI. China and 39 other countries now declared to outlaw gas engine cars in the near future. Electric vehicle is the wave of future, and the entire world may convert from gas engine to electric vehicle in the near future. China is largest auto market, and now national mandate to convert to electric vehicle. Chinese government providing subsidies and other support to transition the entire country to electric vehicle. Beside Tesla, Kandi is the only other pure electric vehicle maker. KNDI financials and book value appears better than Tesla. KNDI book value appears better than market cap. All other automakers make gas engine cars, and now getting into electric vehicle business, but at cost disadvantage compared to pure electric vehicle maker. All other automakers have to carry the infrastructure and pension costs of making gas engine cars, while converting to electric vehicle. GM announced heavy conversion to electric vehicle. KNDI gets the 100% benefit of being the only other pure electric vehicle. KNDI has joint venture with Geely auto, a top 10 Chines automaker, which will provide nice financial backing to KNDI. PM expects KNDI to do very well in the future. IMHO, it looks like one of PM’s best picks.

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October 5, 2017 12:28 am
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Investor, are you saying that KNDI is one of Paul’s picks? Or you think it is?

Archegos

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October 4, 2017 7:16 pm

Paul Mampilly’s latest extreme fortunes pick is Kandi, KNDI. Besides Tesla, only other pure Electric Vehicle maker. China and 39 other countries publicaly
declared to ban gas engine in the near future. Most likely to fully convert to electric vehicle in the near future as gas engine is outlawed.

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October 6, 2017 9:45 pm
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Two words: Thank you.

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October 9, 2017 5:05 pm

Yes but Manpilly stated that it is not a vehicle manufacturer in his pitch

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October 9, 2017 9:43 pm
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KNDI joined with the owner of Volvo–Geely–to make two cars, Volvo and the Panda? Volvo going fully electric. KNDI knows something Geely doesn’t. What the percentages are–KNDI’s take, that is–I’d like to know.

I read 50/50. If so, who builds the car is irrelevant.

Anyone?

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October 10, 2017 11:49 am
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Kandi announced a 50:50 joint EV venture with Geely in March 2013 to build CarShare (aka Micro Transport) garages for the city of Hangzhou. When the first few CarShare garages opened up in Hangzhou last year, Kandi and Geely have garnered headlines and praises all over the world. With just the Hangzhou’s CarShare project, Kandi JV has already become the leader in PEV production at the end of last year. When Kandi JV launched its group car leasing program and delivered over 700 EV to Xiangshan community residents, headlines once again were made all over China. Kandi JV’s EV are nicknamed micro buses by the Chinese.

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October 10, 2017 11:51 am
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Kandi and Geely Joint Venture
On February 1, 2013, the Company’s wholly owned subsidiary, Zhejiang Kandi Vehicles Co., Ltd. (‘Kandi Vehicles’) has signed a cooperation framework agreement with Shanghai Maple Guorun Automobile Co., Ltd. (‘Shanghai Maple’), a 99% owned subsidiary of Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong Stock Exchange, Stock Code: 175) (‘Geely Auto’), to establish a joint venture company, named Zhejiang Kandi Electric Vehicles Investment Co., Ltd. (‘JV Company’) to engage in the investment, research and development, production, marketing and sales of electric vehicles in China . The goal for the JV Company is to implement Public EV sharing systems.
The JV Company also announced the two car models to be delivered to the CarShare vertical parking and charging facilities in Hangzhou. The SMA7000BEV is an updated version of Kandi’s JNJ6290, while the SMA7001BEV is remodeled based on Geely’s popular Panda vehicle. These cars are priced approximately US$10,000 and US$14,000, respectively. Both models receive $7200 subsidy from the Central government, plus local subsidies where applicable. There is speculation of new or upgraded models to be released by the Kandi JV, as Mr. Hu confirmed at the annual meeting that “there are also other models from Geely that are in the process of being remodeled,” in addition to the SMA7001BEV.

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October 10, 2017 10:06 pm
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Check out BYD it’s a Chinese EV that Buffett has had is money in(FYI) Try this link for Kandi- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandi_Technologies

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October 17, 2017 10:28 am
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Hank, any idea what is the cybersecurity company that Paul will pitch today. I think it will be one of these 3 companies that they have been pitching for the last few months. PANW, CUDA, or CYBR. I bought some CYBR in anticipation of the announcement today. Lets see.

Arch

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October 17, 2017 10:38 am
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No…but of the three I like CYBR ‘s chart pattern. Also, that it’s a new IPO. As well, that its important for Israels’s national defense.

FEYE has to be another possibility.

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October 18, 2017 11:25 am
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Neither CYBR or FEYE or PANW or CUDA stocks pop today ..so I am not sure which one Paul recommended. Does anyone know what was the Cybersecurity company that Paul recommended yesterday?

Arch

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October 18, 2017 1:29 pm
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Its Proofpoint Inc (NASDAQ:PFPT)

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January 13, 2018 4:53 am
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KNDI is again a buy! It is in China and everyone is going from a life in the fields to a lifestyle in the cities…and they all want electric cars…with their massive population in China that is a no brainer but but it in small batches when it is down…do not buy 1000 shares at one time…dont ever do that…im sure StockGum shoe will tell you why…but maybe you know…it will spike the stock and then drop….it is still very small…as a company…there will be a lot of volatility in it…but when it takes off and that train has already begun…look at the price in the last 6 months…it is still a buy…buy stock betwen 1 to 3 pm and set your limit order low…i go with my gut and everytime i set it very low i am not surprised to see i match the low of the week and it is in line with the lows just like when you draw technicals…after paper trading for a decade you can see things in 3 year images that you dont see in 20 day images of a stock..you have to adjust and look at the stock for the past two years…see your entry point…no one gets rich in one year unless htey have half a million dollars and they buy a mampilly pick that goes up like FMI did in 2017…that was almost a double in one year and that is great…STM i have mentioned several times because even now it is still a buy…and now major firms are calling it a buy..well the 100,000 subscribers are tiny in comparison to all us and foreign investors…so it is still a buy…i bought it at 5.15 and i am still buying it at 24.00…2 years later…if you look at it it is also going up like a prabola…for 2.5 years.+!

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February 7, 2018 11:54 am
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im afraid to pay 2000 but was tempted…idk its a bit scary to pay that much..its a scary market too. how many newsletter can u subscribe too? there are so many stock picks.. happy with Quorvo though..what else did u buy?

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October 11, 2017 12:24 am
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Just read Paul Mampilly for the ” I lost count” and at the price he is asking is nothing new. He paint’s a picture as I have seen and read (yes there’s a button below the picture to click to read the text) it so many times is nothing more than “A forest and you can’t see the forest because of all the trees”. And he wants to sell it in a higher $ amount. Now you get this higher one mailed in the readable old school copy, paper leaflet monthly and digital copy monthly , the low price is just simple digital copy only, which you could print out if you wanted. Now countless of these secret knowledgeable secret get very rich, are in the no telling how many numbers of peoples possession. And the only testimony of them of his knowledge are from people who bought this secret knowledge and have written about all the money they have made using his secrets knowledge. It’s so secret no one has ever divulged the secrets to the non subscribers. Why not I wonder. Their all selfish and paid for it. And are not going to share.Buy your own to gain he secrets. SHHHH do not tell anybody I wrote this. Think about it. Kind of spooky.

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January 1, 2018 1:54 pm
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Very well put. It’s true that “you can’t see the forest because of all the trees”. Paul Mampilly is a talented writer. He tries to build up an interest in his stock picks. I didn’t mind the hype at first, but soon got tired of wading through all “the fluff”. I am subscribed to all three of his newsletters, but seriously thing about cancelling the two of the expensive ones. Profits Unlimited lured me into subscribing to the other two (which I really can’t afford).. Have a good year everybody.

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November 2, 2017 7:26 pm

Hank, what happened to PI today? down 35%… it might be a good time to buy more…and keep it for the long term. What do you think?

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November 2, 2017 7:52 pm
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Arch,

Rule of thumb is when there is such destruction one never jumps back in or adds. If it starts to chug higher the next 5 trading days that’s a good sign but another surprise down is just as likely as not.

I’m going to watch and wait. I see no hurry.

As an aside I always felt I only wanted the leading pick of EF. We got that one day one. CRCM also a good one. The rest? I have to wonder……..and wait.

Maybe for years.

Rich Hoffman
January 1, 2018 2:16 pm
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I’ve always had a problem of when to buy, and when to hold, and when to sell. I get impatient, and fail to wait to get a better idea which way the stock is going. I decided to subscribe to all three of Paul Mampilly’s newsletters in hopes of benefiting from his experience, and thorough research. Most of the posts i’ve read about True Momentum, and Extreme Fortunes have left me with the impression that I wasted my money on subscribing to them. Yes, there are a quite a few subscribers that claim to have done very well as a result of investing in Paul’s picks. The general consensus seems to be negative. Yet, I still find it hard to cancel TM & EF. Paul even
gets good reviews on the Stock Gumshoe website. His Dad was born
the same year as me (1933), and he lives in the town next to me, so I
feel a certain kinship with him. My brother thinks hes a multi- billionaire. I doubt if that is so, otherwise he would hace his own publishing company, rather than being employed by Banyan Hill Publishing. Prospector instruments can cost thousands of dollars, so I look at it in that sense. If I get a few gems, such as Care.com Inc,
Precision Medicine, and possibly STMicroelectronics I will be more than satisfied. Have a good year.

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November 9, 2017 12:48 pm
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Does anybody know if PM made a sell recommendation for PI?

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November 16, 2017 1:32 am
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I have a subscription to PM Extreme Fortunes if anybody wants it approx 10 months remain I would b interested in selling it to anyone interested for much less then the price I paid …I will check back to see if anybody is interested then apply my contact info..

thanks

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November 17, 2017 3:29 pm

PM has a new EF recommendation coming up …

a small company which manages over $240 billion in capital , firms like Merck, intel, Pfizer , GE and Johnson &Johnson rely on it?

its based out of a small building in CA

this stock already has gains of 62% in less than a year?

what is that stock?

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November 19, 2017 1:46 am
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Lammaster, Can you confirm another poster, Small Fish, who posted on stockgumshoes extreme fortunes thread that the next extreme fortunes pick is due next Tuesday, 11/21/17? What date was this EF teaser posted? To help us guess this next EF stock, can you post as many details from the teaser as possible, maybe the entire teaser if possible? Thank you.

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November 20, 2017 3:33 pm
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Yes, this is the next EF recommendation due out this Tuesday

***Right now, one tiny company is claiming its place as the most important firm in the corporate world – making itself a vital asset to the world’s biggest blue chips.

***this stock already has gains of 62% in less than a year

***its based out of a small building in CA

***Merck, Intel Pfizer, GE, Johnson & Johnson are among its clients.

***This company currently overseas over $240 Billion worth of capital. They’re not a financial investment firm or fund.

***In fact, you most likely could not even begin to guess what they do.
but the ones who do aren’t sitting on the sidelines.

***Not only do major institutions hold a whopping 50% of the company, insiders make up another 20% (majority of it just in the last 6-9 months)

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November 21, 2017 9:33 am
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Has anyone been able to confirm PM’s EF pick for this morning yet? I am thinking of joining Gumshoe… how much additional stock pick insight do you get as a member?

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November 21, 2017 9:51 am

You’ll be amazed at what you find under the hood!
🙂 StockGumshoe.com Irregular membership is THE best $$$ ever spent by moi; Bar NONE!
Have some Wonderful ThanksGiving $HALO dayz and beyond ALL! 🙂 Long Gummunity, $HALO and the Great #Gummune! 🙂 Best2ALL! 🙂

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November 21, 2017 11:18 am
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SoGiAm….is it $HALO?

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November 19, 2017 1:57 am
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Investor
Hi Lammaster. To help us try to figure this out, can you post as many details of the teaser as possible, may be the entire teaser if possible? What date was this teaser posted, and is this next EF recommendation due out this Tuesday 11/21/17? Thanks.

Richard Hoffman
January 1, 2018 2:31 pm
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I have only been subscribed for a few weeks, to all three of Mampilly’s insightful newsletters, but he writes his newsletters as if they were novels.
There’s too much “fluff”, and too much “tease” for my liking. Many of the picks may be great, but I wish he was more straight forward. Judge Judy feels that a defendant is avoiding telling the truth when they slip & slide, and doesn’t get right to the point. I guess Paul attempts to push up the price with all that hype. Stock Gumshoe attempts to figure out the teases. Investors steer clear of their stock selections. Every investor needs to do his own thorough research (which I often fail to do). I’m still counting on Paul to help steer me towards good stock selections. Time will tell.

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November 20, 2017 1:48 am

I got this info and if u guys want it along with every other one coming in the next year, make me an offer i cant refuse. i tried to get a refund and they pretty much told me to, well u know, I’m ready to put the whole page up if it helps but i really would like to recover some of this cost that i am out.

send reply to : drewman27@Hotmail.com

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November 20, 2017 2:31 am
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Hi Dunnoo,

I am interested in your offer. Your current posted email does not work, and will not accept my email. Can you post the correct email address or another email address, so I can email you. Thanks.

R. R. Hoffman
January 1, 2018 2:36 pm
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It’s hard enough to trust newsletters published by Banyan Hill, so what are your credentials to help an investor to know that you can be trusted ?

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November 21, 2017 4:09 pm

Does anybody know the new recommendation yet?

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dooped
November 21, 2017 4:25 pm
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Model N Inc (MODN)

Hank
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November 30, 2017 6:48 pm

FMI up after hours. FDA approvals. This will be Mampilly’s first grand slam. Roche which already owns 54% of FMI will be taking this stock away from us next year (likely as they have the option to do so).

If so, this is very sad and another reason why its hard to get rich. It’s quite possible this stock will get rolled up into another stock and any hopes of holding it long term will be lost.

That said, maybe there’s a double left from here.

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January 9, 2018 8:40 am

so did anybody get the notification about Paul’s recommendation for tomorrow. the stock he claims would make 10times in a short term.
1)This firm is sitting on a humble $1.75billion market cap – is pouncing on a $16.8 trillion jackpot by disrupting the entire american financial sector as we know it.
2) some of the wealthiest executives have jumped aboard ..
3) capital one, welsfargo, Paypal, chase, discover. these titans are all aboard.

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January 11, 2018 10:56 am
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what is PM’s new recommendation for EF?

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January 22, 2018 12:38 am
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Hi Lammaster, If possible, can you email me at Investorinvestor777@gmail.com? I may be able to help you. Thanks. Investor.

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January 13, 2018 4:42 am

look at FMI now….and no it is not the number one stock pick for precision medicine but it is up 90% in 2017 alone…and it is again up in 2018 on a run that is looking like a parabola…since your comments…and i dont like giving away his work for free but he shows you a photo of the company and i easily found it on the internet but i got if when he sent it out…the number one pick that will likely change the course of medicine and may be more important than any other discovery in the history of man…no other discovery for our health may be as important as genomic testing and genome designer meds for each of us…Paul is right…and the company he wrote about is not exactly Midwest to me it is just west of midwest….and the photo proves it…just google his ad and see the video and photo take a screen shot and then type genetic testing…pick all the states that is just minutes west of say Colorado and you will have your image ie the exact image of the company…so FMI is right and keep buy it..i am…and it just keeps going up and up…the boat has not sailed on any of his stocks really…he closed out a few…but no one is perfect and he warned us so early about those…he was told by an insider when GE would fail and IBM would…they bottomed out and he has not yet restarted those as recommendations…all of you need to understand he is not picking stocks for you to keep for days or weeks or month…all of them are for you to keep at least for now through 2020 and beyond unless you need to spend them and he says spend them if you have a need…..like i did…i spent my huge gains i had on stm and had surgery that was not available in the US but done by US surgeons because they set up offshore and they did a wonderful job. One of my injuries was a rotator cuff tear..that was glued back together with my platelets by a needle and then strengthened by my own stem cells grown in a lab…taken from my pelvis…i refused to be put to sleep…i had no anesthesia for my procedures…but it hurt like no pain i can describe…why did i do that???? because every time you have general anesthesia you get some brain damage and having so many stem cell transplants would help me but i dont want to be put under that many times… i had a huge number of injuries all fixed…but it is all science that over 35,000 super rich people had done and i am not “super rich” i used up every penny i had to have that done…i have lived in pain most of my life and just worked in pain..i work some months over 100 hours a week for weeks and then i take off…i can do it only because i can in my industry…at home i have a life of absolute peace…no people at all except those who deliver my groceries…i dont own a car…i use a service or ride my bike..no car for me for 9 years now…waiting on a special car..and that car will cause a massive need for increase on our electrical grid…Paul is already on that stock and it is surging up and up…and energy stock and no it is not the one about his stock pick for geothermal but that stock is also heading up…you have to remember these stocks are just entering the acceptance phase…all of the stocks like ROK, TER, ADSK, DATA continue to skyrocket and are way up beyond their buy up to price….just like he said they would. …they were in his first special newsletter ever…if you were a member when he began it you got the five best stocks including stm…and all of them continue to go up…keep them…STM will not finish going up for at least three more years…then it will be announced on TV and that is when most of America buys…and that is years too late…just table scraps…you can buy and any of his recommendations will be pushed higher…Once saturation is reached they will be sold…he will tell you when that time is…but he made it clear STM was a 4 year buy based on the DIGIT ACT…and he was clear it was a 4 year buy and i got in it when it was 5.15…when the digit act was being discussed in the senate..not yet passed as law..so…i am up almost 300% on that stock…and i would say to anyone and i tell everyone i care about…follow that man…:) For 47.00 a year yes i will always follow that man…that is what i paid to join…he often has a sale on the PU newsletter (profits unlimited)…he is no dummy..he now has over 100,000 members…so i say if the man knows how to make even more money and i know publishers since mine is the biggest publisher in the world for a certain area…and they keep a lot…just like the art galleries that sell art…you have to be an expert before you make any moves..the problem is most people do not self educate and they want a free ride…nothing in life is free…my mommy taught me that…so did my teacher in Kindergarten…

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January 13, 2018 12:09 pm

I don’t know why some of my fellow EF subscribers would want to give out picks for free. Trying to pump and dump the stock on this discussion forum is silly and will not help anyone out! I am willing to sell Paul’s EF picks individually with all his writings and updates on them for just a small price. Legit and no hidden agendas. Just trying to make it a win-win for both parties and no BS. If interested, please feel free to email me EFtrader2017@gmail to discuss.
Thanks.

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