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Can you really earn “Cash from Gold?”

What was being teased as a way to make Income on Demand?

I’ve gotten quite a few questions about the “Cash from Gold” pitch out of Agora Financial that hints at how easy it is to get “instant income.” So that’s today’s focus for you, dear readers.

The big push at the end of the ad is “Yes, I want to collect at least $1,500 per month in instant income starting today.” Who wouldn’t want that?

So is it really possible? What’s the story?

Well, Zach Scheidt will tell you, for $1,500 — but let’s see if we can explain it for you without having to pay that much. His service is called Income on Demand, and he says he’s offering “Instant Income” recommendations every month.

The basic spiel is summed up pretty well in the intro to the ad, this is what Scheidt’s publisher, Joe Shriefer, says:

“LIVE: UNBELIEVABLE BEHIND-THE-SCENES FOOTAGE FROM OUR $100 MILLION FINANCIAL RESEARCH FIRM…THAT YOU MUST SEE… WATCH AS WE SHOW THOUSANDS OF READERS HOW TO INSTANTLY GENERATE

“CASH FROM GOLD”

“WITHOUT EVER TRADING A SINGLE SHARE OF STOCK
“WITHOUT BUYING AN OPTION
“AND WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING A MUTUAL FUND.

“WARNING: Because Of The PERSONAL and URGENT Nature Of This Video It Will Be Pulled From The Web At MIDNIGHT On Monday, May 22nd.”

Sorry, that ALL CAPS yelling is theirs.

And I think the current offer has been pulled, actually, though I can’t see that there’s anything “personal” or “urgent” about the strategy they’re selling — it’s just that every offer needs a hard deadline that potential subscribers believe is real, otherwise they’ll dither and think it over… and if you think it over, you may well not decide to plunk down that $1,500.

If it worked to bring in subscribers it will probably be back — but we’ll explain it for you now.

Sooo… what’s the actual trading technique? Here’s a bit more from the ad:

“Today I’m going to show you a LIVE, 1 minute and 42 second demonstration of a mysterious and misunderstood financial transaction that could generate hundreds of dollars in INSTANT INCOME in three minutes or less…from the gold market.”

And they do show this live video as part of the presentation, so we can tell you exactly what it is they’re recommending — they’re selling put options on gold stocks.

The specific examples are a few months old,and the video they use is from October, but they were selling puts at that time on Royal Gold, Barrick Gold, and Silver Wheaton (which has since been renamed Wheaton Precious Metals).

So how does that work? Is it “income?” Well, kind of.

Put options are the flip side of call options — and options always provide the buyer with the right to do something and the seller with an obligation to do something. A put option gives the buyer the right to sell a particular stock at a particular strike price before a specific expiration date… so the seller of the put option takes on that obligation to buy a particular stock at a particular strike price anytime the option buyer wants to exercise that obligation (well, anytime before the expiration date).

Which will generate cash in your account, but it also creates a liability — you have promised to buy those stocks at a particular price, so you have to have some way of making good on your obligation. Your broker will, in all likelihood, either require you to have the money sitting in cash in your account to fulfill your obligation to buy the stock, or will require you to have some of the cash and use a margin account to provide the rest of the needed liquidity (“margin” is just money you borrow from your broker).

In the examples given in the ad, this meant selling put options on gold-related stocks at strike prices pretty close to where they were trading at the time of the trade, with expirations out anywhere from about a month to four months.

Here are the examples he ran through in the little two minute video, which was recorded on October 12 and was designed both to prove that the cash went into his account and that the trades are quick and easy.

First, he sold November $65 puts on Royal Gold (RGLD), which was then trading at $66.50. That left 37 days to expiration, and he earned $296 in cash for selling that put (the put was slightly over $3, so you multiply that by 100 because each option contract represents 100 shares, take out the commission, and the rest is cash that goes straight into your account).

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So that’s pretty straightforward. You get $296 that you didn’t have before. What he does not emphasize in the video is that his “cash available for withdrawal” number in that account dropped by $6,500. That’s $6,500 that the broker will keep in reserve to fulfill the put seller’s obligation to buy 100 shares at $65 each until the option is either exercised (by the buyer), closed out (by you, the seller, by buying it back), or expires worthless.

You’d like it to expire worthless, of course, because that way you get $296 for risking $6,500 for a little over a month, which is a 4.5% return in a very short period of time, and then you get the $6,500 in liquidity back in your account after the option expires, and you can do it again… if you did that nine or ten times in a year you’d earn great returns.

The risk, of course, is that you really do have to be willing to buy the stock… and you have to have a fair degree of confidence that the stock isn’t going to collapse. If you did this kind of trade nine times in a year, earning an average of 3-4% per trade, you’d have a profit of something like $2,000 on the $6,500 that you put at risk. That’s a great return… but (and there’s always a “but”), you have to have the good fortune of being right nine times.

If, in this example, RGLD stock fell 10% in a month from October into November, then the stock would be at $60 or so, and you’d have to buy it for $65 — so if you want to own Royal Gold and think $65 is a fair price for a long-term holding and don’t get angry about that loss, perhaps that’s fine for you… but if you want that cash so you can use it as collateral to sell your next put option contract, then you have to close out the contract by buying it back at a loss. You’d have to pay at least $500 to close the contract (since a put to sell at $65 when the stock is at $60 is worth $5 per share, times 100 shares), or, if you just let it exercise, you buy RGLD shares at $65 and you could sell them at whatever the market price is at the time for roughly the same financial impact.

That’s not what happened, RGLD shares actually rose a little bit from October 12 into Options expiration in November, so that would have worked out OK — though that’s partly good fortune, if you had dome a similar trade a month or so earlier, when RGLD was in the $75-85 range, the outcome could have been far different. It was a bet that RGLD shares would not fall during that particular month, and it worked. Sometimes, it won’t work — selling puts generally does work quite well in flat or rising markets, and if you keep the expiration date pretty tight (only go out a month or two) you can usually get a pretty high “win rate” on these trades, it’s not that unusual to see traders claim 90% success in making these trades.

The danger, of course, comes when that 10% failure rate includes a real stinker. If RGLD, for example, had washed out that month — if gold fell by 10% and RGLD shares dropped by 25% for any reason, as was perhaps unlikely but certainly not impossible, then RGLD shares would have dropped to about $50 and you would have to pay $1,500 to close out the contract — since you only earned $300 to make the deal in the first place, you can do the math: One really bad result wipes out five trades worth of profit.

You can improve those odds by going with “further out of the money” options that give you more breathing room — but that also decreases the per-trade returns. You could have sold puts at $60 on RGLD instead of $65, for example (remember, the stock was at about $66 at the time, so that gives you 10% leeway in the underlying stock price, instead of about 2%)… but instead of earning $3 a share, you would have earned about $1.25. So instead of risking $6,500 to earn $296 in a month, you risk $6,000 to earn $125 in a month and you get better odds of success.

Selling puts works, on average, but it doesn’t work for every person or every trade, and, as with most things in life, the higher you aim for returns the more risk you’re taking on. You have to be willing to stomach the occasional losses, and build them into your expectations. And you have to be content with the general “odds in your favor” nature of these kinds of trades as long as there’s not a market crash — which also means you have to be wary of the fact that if the whole market falls 10% or 20% in a month or two or there’s some shock to the stock you’re trading in, you could lose a huge portion of that collateral cash your broker has set aside in your account.

If, God forbid, someone came out with a compelling case for accounting fraud at Royal Gold during that month and the stock got cut in half, as you’ve seen happen at other companies in the past, albeit rarely, you could have lost $3,000 or $4,000 in your attempt to earn $300. Would you then have the discipline or faith to stick with the “odds in your favor” trading strategy for long enough to make that money back and get back on track?

If you look at the options trades in RGLD right now, you can see that they’re not quite as lucrative — that’s because volatility has come back down a bit, so people are paying a little bit less for the protection of put options (back in October, Royal Gold had just fallen 20% or so from the recent peak, after a huge run, so there were probably lots of folks interested in protecting their gains by buying puts).

If you were to do a similar trade today, betting that RGLD won’t fall by more than 2% or so over the next couple months, you could sell a $77.50 put in RGLD with a July 21 expiration for about $2.70 a share. So you’re putting $7,750 at risk for about two months to earn $270, which is a return of only about 3.4%. 3.4% over eight weeks is a lot less than the 4.5% over five weeks you might have earned for that similar bet back in October. If the stock stays about $77.50, your 3.4% profit stays in your account and you’re happy and you could rinse and repeat and probably do it again to earn another similar return on the October expiration… if RGLD shares drop back to $65, about where they were back in October, then you’ve got a $1,000 loss on your hands ($1,250 you’d have to pay to close the option contract out, minus the $270 you collected up front).

If you’re curious about those other trades he illustrated in the video, they were similarly “close to the money” puts (meaning the strike price was close to the price of the stock at the time of the trade), he sold December $23 puts in Silver Wheaton (SLW) for $1.78 when SLW was trading at $23.16.

Silver Wheaton changed its name and ticker, it’s now Wheaton Precious Metals (WPM), but otherwise the stock is the same, so we can go back and look at those prices — and see that SLW did indeed drop between the October 12 day when they sold that put and the December 16 expiration date.

The shares did trend up for a little while to $25 or so, but in mid-November they dropped from about $25 down to $17 in the course of just a couple days and if you just waited until the options expiration date the stock closed that day at $17.36. So that’s the day when you would have had to buy shares at $23 to fulfill your end of the contract, which means you’re no longer so excited about the $178 you earned for selling that put option contract because you’re now paying $564 to close out the contract, for a net loss of $386 on the $2,300 you put at risk for two months.

Now, it turned out that mid-December was awfully close to the low for the year for SLW/WPM — if you had actually held the stock instead of just closing the contract you might have made good as it rose to $23 in February (it has bounced around between $19-23 for the past six months), and maybe you’re delighted to own WPM at $20 today even though you paid $23 for it, I don’t know — but, of course, if you actually bought and held the shares then you couldn’t also use that $2,300 of capital as collateral for your next options sale and continue with your trading system.

The example with Barrick Gold would have worked out OK — in that case, ABX was at $15.96 and you sold January puts (so, going out four months now instead of one or two in the other examples) for about a dollar a share. You pocket $100, you take on the obligation to spend $1,500 for four months to buy the stock if it falls. And it did fall, down to $14 for a while, which would have wiped out your profit but not actually made you lose money, so if someone had exercised the put option before expiration you would have been out of luck… but if you were able to keep the option open through expiration you’d be happier, because the shares recovered to The $17 range in January around options expiration time, and you would have kept your $100 profit.

That’s the other thing with selling options — you don’t get to decide when they get exercised. You can decide whether or not to close out the contract early, by bidding to buy it back and close the contract (“buy to close” is the term), but the person who bought that option could have exercised their right to sell ABX to you at $15 when it was at $14 in mid-December. That doesn’t necessarily happen very often, but it can and does happen.

So you see the positive number in your cash account, it goes up from $0 to $559 after making those three trades in the examples they give, but you may not focus on the shrinking “cash available” number, which will drop by as much as it would take to buy the shares to fulfill those contracts (or some fraction of that number, often in the 20-30% range, if your broker lets you borrow on margin to back the obligation).

What they essentially did in that series of three trades was promise to do $10,000 worth of buying if the market turns even slightly against some gold stocks over the next one, two or four months, and in exchange you’ve received $559.

That’s actually not so bad, all things considered — for many stocks you would have received less, but people were a little worried about gold stocks last Fall when this ad was originally written and they were willing to pay up a bit for that “insurance” giving them the right to sell you their stock at a set price if it happens to decline.

Generally, I see people claiming returns on option selling that are in the 10-20% range per year, and that’s probably a reasonable goal — make 3-4% return with each trade, and roll that trade over four or five times a year, and then you’ve got something like a 15% return after commissions (before taxes). Not bad if you’re comfortable with the risk of those bad trades that come because the market turns sharply against you, or if you simply get unlucky with a specific disaster, poorly timed, for a specific stock. Those tend both to be low-probability events in any given 2-3 month period, of course, but if you do this over and over with dozens of companies you are not going to have a 100% success rate — and an 80% success rate may not be enough if 20% of the trades lose enough money to eat up three or four good trades apiece.

That’s the basic idea, and the essential risk/reward gamble you’re taking with selling short-term near-the-money put options. Yes, it can generate cash income in your account — but the obligation you’re taking on in exchange for that cash is very real, you’re not getting “cash from gold,” you’re making a collateralized bet that particular stocks (gold stocks, in this case) won’t fall below a set price before a set day.

These kinds of options trading systems are fairly common — there are lots of “options for income” traders who take various kinds of net credit trades to generate returns from their cash or margin capacity. Selling naked puts (meaning you use margin to cover the obligation, you don’t have the cash in your account) or cash-covered puts (meaning you have the cash sitting there to buy the stock if needed) are two of the very basic kinds of “options for income” trades — the other common one, which involves essentially the same risk, is selling covered calls… though selling calls feels a little less risque because there’s no margin, and no one uses the term “naked”. And once you get into the thick of things, you can dive into different analytical and technical tools and indicators, and lots of different trading systems that involve spreads or straddles of various sorts — I won’t get into that complexity here (check out the CBOE’s Education Center for some great online learning tools, seminars, and classes, including lots of really introductory-level material).

In the case of covered calls, you just buy the stock first — so, 100 shares of RGLD — and then sell someone a call option, selling them the right to buy the stock from you at a set price in the future. Royal Gold is at $79 now, so you could buy the stock at $79 and sell an $82.50 call with a July expiration for $2.10. That effectively means you’re reducing your cost basis to $77 or so (after commission), and will have to sell at $82.50 if the stock is at that price over the next two months, so even if the call gets exercised you earn $5.50 a share, a $550 profit on your $7,700 investment over two months, which is a nice 7% return.

You do have all the downside risk of owning the stock, of course, so if the stock falls below $77 you’re still losing money, at least on paper… but the real risk that most investors fear is the “I’ll miss out” panic… if someone swoops in and offers to buy RGLD at a huge premium of $110 a share in June, for example, or the stock otherwise soars because gold goes up dramatically or something like that, you’re still going to have to sell your shares for $82.50.

So, just like selling covered puts, you need to be focused on the system and on a consistent gain and not be someone who gets so flustered by the occasional loss (or lost potential) that it ruins your week — you have to be happy trying to earn 10-15% a year, or something in that neighborhood, and know that there’s a decent chance that you’ll have some years when it blows up and you lose money… though usually the losses, too, would not be terribly dramatic unless there’s something huge like a 30-50% market crash or a stock that completely collapses in relatively short order (bankruptcy, scandal, lawsuit, etc. — not always predictable, but thankfully rare).

Managing the psychology is probably the toughest part for any fledgling options seller. The first time that a company really collapses on your watch and your $200 gain turns into a $1,500 loss, it will feel horrible. This might not ever happen to you, of course, and I don’t know if it has happened to any of the recommendations of this particular newsletter, but sometimes stuff happens.

So… there’s no magic, but yes, you can earn “cash from gold” or “cash from whatever other stocks” if you’re willing to risk your capital to make options bets on gold stocks or other investments. The more risk you take in giving the option buyer more time to be right, or setting your strike price really close to the current price, the higher the returns you should earn by selling those options — and the greater the probability that you’ll have to pony up some cash to make good on your obligation.

And, of course, if you happen to do this kind of trading as part of an options newsletter or service, you’re setting yourself up for returns that are probably a little lower — if only because telling 500 or 1,000 subscribers all to sell the same put option at the same time means you’re going to tend to substantially depress the price of that option contract. Options are not liquid enough, except for the most widely-traded stocks and ETFs, to absorb hundreds of new traders all hitting one contract at the same time (the RGLD $77.50 puts for this July, for example, have trading volume of only 11 contracts today, and only 125 contracts exist right now (that’s the “open interest”), so the price of $2.70 won’t hold if there are suddenly new offers to sell 1,000 contracts all hitting the market when the newsletter issue comes out).

If you’ve a favorite “options for income” strategy, or have any input on Zach Scheidt’s teased “cash for gold” ideas here, please let us know with a comment below… and if you’ve ever specifically tried out the Income On Demand newsletter, please let your fellow readers know what you thought by clicking here. Thanks for reading!

P.S. How about that “$1,500 per month” income promise? What would you need to get that kind of return, assuming that the trades work out? Well, if you’re doing just cash-secured put selling (not using margin), and your typical option sale is for a 4% return on the value of the cash collateral over two months, which is slightly higher than most of the examples I looked at but seems roughly “reasonable”, then that means a possibility of 24% over the course of a year (you use the collateral for two months, the trade is over, you roll it into the next trade). That’s pretty high, in my experience, so I’ll arbitrarily cut it down to 18% with the assumption that at least one of those trades washes out and loses a little money (that’s still quite high, but we’re trying to be charitable).

If you’re making $1,500 a month, that’s $18,000 a year. And if you’re making 18% returns on the year to get that $18,000, then the math works out pretty nicely — that means you are usually putting at risk about $100,000 in terms of the notional value of the puts you’ve sold, on average, throughout the year, so that’s roughly the amount of cash you’d need to have to some reasonable probability (assuming my 18% return assessment is fair) of generating that kind of monthly income. If volatility stays low, as it has been, and options premiums are low, or you take fewer chances, it could easily take twice that much capital to earn $1,500 a month.

So… given that you you probably shouldn’t be paying $1,500 for a newsletter if you don’t have at least $100,000 to allocate to that strategy anyway (that’s 1.5%, in case you’re not keeping track, which is more than many investment managers would charge you to make all those decisions on your behalf — spending any more than 1-2% of your portfolio every year on newsletter subscriptions and “advice” is probably overdoing it), the logic works out reasonably well. That doesn’t mean you should rush out and subscribe to that newsletter, of course, or that the strategy would work, there’s just a bit of logic underlying the newsletter price and the “promised” returns.

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verybusy69
verybusy69
May 23, 2017 4:40 pm

For beginners I recommend practice first without real money. If you can handle the ups and downs, then put your toe in the water with just a small trade. For those of you who hate to lose out on big swings, but still insist in writing near the money calls, simply also buy an out of the money call in case something spectacular happens to your stock. You make less money, but can enjoy some of the “surprise” upside you had not planned on.

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ehiggin
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ehiggin
May 23, 2017 4:41 pm

Most of the related group of letter writer’s push this feature and rarely mention this exposure.

hillva
hillva
May 23, 2017 5:06 pm

Thanks Travis for another great discussion. Having made a lot of money (and lost even more) selling covered calls on stocks with high premium payouts (mostly pharmas), I learned the value of ‘collars’ – buying the STOCK, selling a near term, out of the money CALL, and buying the same near term, out of the money PUT for downside protection – boring monthly returns to some but, reasonable to me of 4-6% (not to mention the savings on antacids).

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Janis
Janis
May 24, 2017 3:55 pm
Reply to  hillva

I like that idea of buying a downturn put for the same term. I’m going to talk to my broker about it because the losses have, for the most part, overshadowed the small but steady gains. How do you figure out the strike price fot the put option?

hillva
hillva
May 29, 2017 12:22 pm
Reply to  Janis

I typically use strike prices that are 20% to 25% apart, e.g., for a stock at $19 I would sell a $20 call and buy a $15 or $16 put

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mike o
May 23, 2017 5:18 pm

Selling atm or near the money puts is a terrible strategy, and selling covered calls, which everyone promotes also is not so hot. Natch when mkts. do nothing but go up it looks good, but—–seller beware.

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hillva
hillva
May 23, 2017 5:29 pm
Reply to  mike o

selling CCs or buying PUTs alone I agree, but 5 years of trading COLLARs provides evidence to the contrary

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mike o
May 23, 2017 8:55 pm
Reply to  hillva

collars a different conversation.

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lozmel413
lozmel413
May 23, 2017 5:31 pm

I started slowly with income on demand and made $2629.00 for the last 2 months of 2016 and i am up $ 8619.00 for 2017 including may so don’t be so quick to dismiss .

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mike o
May 23, 2017 9:03 pm

Yep,well said Travis. As soon as mkt. turns they are nowhere to be found.

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mike o
May 23, 2017 9:00 pm
Reply to  lozmel413

Yep, but s+ p up 300 points from Nov. 2016—and money made is ok–but what % of your account ? Smaller accounts would not post those #’s–it’s all relative my friend. If you made that selling cov. calls, or collars, i’d bet you could have done better with other strategies—it’s not me guessing, research is very clear.
But hey, to each his own, if it works for you , great ! As we know making $$ in the mkts. is not an easy chore.

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thinairmony
May 24, 2017 1:06 am
Reply to  lozmel413

Bio stocks would be a good strategy? And sure Travis knows lozmel413 LOL

jakeslicks
jakeslicks
June 14, 2017 9:45 am
Reply to  lozmel413

Lozmel, do you sell puts, use collars?

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boscoi
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May 23, 2017 5:33 pm

another twist if you are “put the stock” you can flip the script and sell “covered calls” on the stock you just had to buy, if it is close enough to the original strike price of the put.

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mike o
May 23, 2017 9:07 pm

Yep, great as long as stock doesn’t go down–so it’s put to you at 50–you sell 52 1/2’s and it goes to 45–hmnnn–now what ???? Ah, rinse and repeat, sell the 47 1/2’s—hoping it doesn’t go to 40–Buffet held IBM while it was going down 60 points—what if it was TWTR 30 points ago–ACIA 50 points ago–it’s all good in theory–but it doesn’t always work. And forget the solid stock theory–witness IBM–just my take–best to all.

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Donald Duck
May 23, 2017 5:35 pm

Travis, this is the most thorough, reasonable and cogent description of the option market I have read on the web. You are awesome. I have tried several times to convince myself that I should try options and every time I see what I describe as the “tail of the dragon” lurking in the weeds. If you haven’t ever seen the film of the alligator in the tall grass taking the deer off it’s feet with a sudden sweep of its tail you can certainly imagine the surprise to the deer. When puts go south they go a long way south. I have postponed my option experiments until I can sleep comfortably around the dragon’s tail. Again, thanks for all you do.

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thinairmony
May 23, 2017 5:40 pm

Just away to get a novice ripped off. Money is the root of all sorts of evil! And this is a great example. Great work Travis Johnson!

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bobby k
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bobby k
May 23, 2017 5:45 pm

We’ve all been told that selling puts is the best, if not the only, way to really make safe money in the markets. Travis, your explanation is the first to show the, may I say, gigantic risk the seller has to assume. I wish your take would be adopted by all investors who think selling naked puts is “safe” period. Thank you.

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JBW
JBW
May 23, 2017 5:46 pm

He has a very good record over the past 24 months, 90%+/- wins. The problem is if/when the correction comes, as Travis notes, you will be sitting on $100k of stocks on the decline. And who knows for how long.

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mike o
May 23, 2017 9:09 pm
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Anyone can get 90 % wins–just play the odds—but that 10 %–whew ! Bye Bye gains.

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takeprofits
Irregular
May 23, 2017 6:52 pm

As usual an in-depth no nonsense expose by Travis of how deceptive most newsletter writers are because they invariably hype the best case scenario while downplaying or even ignoring the many things that can go wrong. Options are certainly not for the novice or small time investor. The point is that by the time you pay the up front fee your returns have to be spectacular BEFORE you actually put any money in your own pocket. The point is that leverage looks attractive if everything woks out as projected, but leverage works BOTH WAYS, when you lose your losses are equally magnified.
Even with a money back guarantee you still lose because the guru selling you the service has the use of your money whether you made any money or not.

I would’ no longer pay up front for any newsletter subscription with less than a 6 month refund guarantee and would be very wary of any newsletter being offered over $100. because these publishers spread the costs over thousands of subscribers, and besides, if their service is as good as they claim, the analyst should be making the bulk of their income from buying their own recommendations. I learned that the hard way by negative experiences.

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mike o
May 23, 2017 9:11 pm
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Yep Myron, so true. It’s like an economist–if they were so good at “predicting” the future they would be trading–lol–

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Michelle
May 23, 2017 8:34 pm

This is an excellent article! I just watched the teaser a few days ago, and smelled something fishy and I was very curious about what the scenario was. I also wouldn’t spend $1500 on a newsletter EVER, so I wasn’t really tempted by something that sounds too good to be true. Thank you for this detailed answer. I’m going to have to re-read it a few times to get the idea. I think, like others have said, it is worth trying by practice without real money first.

goodwalkspoiled
goodwalkspoiled
May 23, 2017 8:57 pm

If you are interested in viewing a more insidious scam, look into Gold and Silver For Life. A rotund British gentleman, Minesh Bhindi, touts a membership service costing £3,997 initially, and £14,000 due after you build your account balance to £100,000. It’s a subtle ruse involving a coaching service that does little more than show you how to sell naked front-month at the money or slightly out of the money puts on GLD or SLV. Anyone can do this on their own, but Mr. Bhindi says you need to join his private club to rub elbows with others doing the same. You can watch this “pied piper” tout his clever ruse on Youtube, or visit his website. Yes, it is possible to make 1% to 2% per month selling naked puts on GLD or SLV. But inevitably you will end up owning the underlying ETFs when prices fall, and will need to sell covered calls to generate income. The strategy works until the big drop(s) occur. If you then sell covered calls and get assigned, you forfeit your shares, locking in big losses. You can start the process over, but you would do so with a reduced cash balance. Theoretically, you can make 24% per year during a bull market in gold and silver, but inevitably the bear arrives, wiping out all those juicy gains – and a large portion of your bankroll as well. Defensive tactics, rolling down and out, etc. may stem the tide, or reduce losses to some extent, but the cost of ‘belonging’ to the club is a genuine rip-off. In fact, Mr. Bhindi and his father previously had a website known as Cash for Life, but they got sued for copying covered call and calendar spread strategy material from an American outfit, and were forced to take down that website. Thereafter, Minesh went on to formulate Gold and Silver for Life.

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Bud Fox
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October 31, 2018 9:47 pm

I get his garbage emails almost daily…..He can wait a long time before I’d pay him $6000
for a strategy I know better than him lol…

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smileallday
December 14, 2018 8:28 pm

Minesh Bhindi is the worst. He has a bunch of programs they all have the pitch ‘cash flow you gold/realestate/stocks’ – there is Gold and Silver for Life, Property Profits for Life, Energy Stock Profits. They all show you how to sell put and write covered calls. All the programs have an up-sell if you want to ‘maximise’ your returns. Like most of the stuff out there it is more marketing and hype. The strategy at pointed out does not work in all market directions (no strategy does) but these newsletters and marketers seem to encourage their followers to take positions in down markets when the strategy does not work.

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billie
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May 23, 2017 9:03 pm

What a education for a novice on option trading. Thanks Travis

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Rockin Ron
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May 23, 2017 10:32 pm

Travis, just a quick note to again, sing your praises. Not only was this particular newsletter/options explanation excellent, but YOU are. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY in this entire industry, provides the service you do. Plenty of links to other free training and your devil’s advocate approach, plus UNCOVERED stocks exposed with your feeling on them, really show you care about people. From “whales” to novice investors and everything in between, there is something here for EVERYONE. FOR FREE even. I’ve learned a lot and even made a little just reading your free newsletter. I tell everyone I talk to about investing about Stock Gumshoe. Your free service/newsletter is better than most subscriptions. Honestly. Definitely the ones in your price range. I’m about to semi retired, sell my house and relocate, then I will be signing up with you. God Bless you brother. Good luck and happy investing.

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Andrew
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May 24, 2017 12:46 am

Excellent info Travis, interesting example of gold play is physical Q4 last year Vs south african gold producing adrs, HUGE discrepancy, looking at something different is Asian gold MMG and chinamoly through HK http://eqibeat.com/top-20-asia-pacific-gold-stocks-by-market-cap/

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barneymarco
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barneymarco
May 24, 2017 6:00 am

Might this not be used as a strategy for acquiring positions in stocks that you would really like to own anyway on a potentially lower cost basis than might be possible by buying directly, while being compensated by the premium earned when the stock fails to fall to an attractive price?

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mike o
May 24, 2017 8:48 am

Hey Barneymarco,
Yes, many think like that, when they put on the position they would take the stock when it gets there—until it gets there ;o) You sell a QCOM put at 56, sure nice yield, good stock, the when it gets put to you it’s 52–hmnn–lol–it happens. –btw–i wanted QCOM–don’t really care about dividends, want capital gains–so i bot a call spread going way out in time, then sold puts (2x) to finance at 20% lower–
So free shot at higher prices, and if it gets put to me in the low 40’s i’ll take it–if wrong that’s trading. But selling ATM puts–ttooooo
dangerous for me.
If one factors in the cost of the newsletter–commissions–slippage–
tough game.
Others (those 90% guys) say put on many trades, those profits keeps rolling in—hmnn–let’s see, make 2 trades daily using 3 contracts
per trade, (use 3 cause the credits taken will be small if 90% wins)and let’s say the spread is a penny, which is a great spread,
at year end it would cost you $3,000 in spreads–not counting commissions and
cost of the newsletter—yikes !
With all my b/s being said, i love options, but not as professed by many.
Good luck to all, and be careful out there !
Thanks Travis

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Mark Hofmann
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Mark Hofmann
May 24, 2017 9:36 am

Excellent discussion of the “good, bad, and ugly” of selling options. I agree with the comment of the lost potential when the stock runs up past your strike price that you sold. I had 1500 shares of NVDA and bought it with puts and then sold covered calls against it, had an adjusted price of $105.9, I sold a CC for 108, then the earnings came out and it rocketed up to 139.00. Ya I was sick, but that is the game.

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Sturgis
May 24, 2017 2:11 pm

For those wanting a monthly income from gold related options trading, but not wanting to risk too much, they can buy shares of Horizons Enhanced Gold Bull ETF. Symbol is HEP on the Toronto Stock exchange. They provide monthly “dividends” ranging from about 6 % to 12 % annually (currently a bit less than 9 %) by trading covered call options. Managers are professionals, and that is all they do for this particular ETF which trades daily like a stock. I have owned it for years, and it has never missed a monthly payment. Drawbacks are that it is thinly traded, and monthly payments can rise and fall significantly with the price of gold on the Comex and gold mining stocks trading on the TSE.

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Janis
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May 24, 2017 3:53 pm

Great article! Hope you deal with straddles next. I’ve been doing covered calls with my broker for 9 years, and the risks seem mostly in [1] getting stuck with something when the stock plunges in price and [2] not getting to take advantage of huge growth the make up for those few huge losses. If you’re lucky enough to avoid the huge losses, the steady income is nice, although it’s taxed whether your total account value is up or not, and that can offset some of the benefits of the cash coming in.

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