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De-tease: Fool’s “Probably the Most Important Company in the World”

Stock Advisor ad teases, "if this company ceased existing the world economy would go into a depression" -- what is it? Thinkolator answers below...


This article was originally published on October 19, 2022, when this ad started running — the stock has soared, so that turned out to be a well-timed pitch, but they are running the same ad again pretty aggressively, without any real changes, so I’m re-posting our “answer” article here for you. I’ve posted some minor updates in the Quick Take above, but what follows has not been updated or revised since last October.

I got a few questions over the past week or so about a new “most important company in the world” pitch for Motley Fool Stock Advisor ($59/yr), and it’s all about semiconductors… so what’s the story?

Well, let’s start with a little taste of the ad… and see what clues we can unearth. The pitch starts with a string of messages from Eric Bleeker to Sam Barker, showing Bleeker’s excitement about a company that most people don’t know about…

“[9:30 AM] One of the craziest things about chips – which you may know

[9:30 AM] There is just a single company responsible for all cutting-edge chips

[9:30 AM] Like, if this company ceased existing the world economy would go into a depression

[9:31 AM] Just always blows my mind that .0001% of people know the name of this company

[9:31 AM] And its …. Probably the most important company in the world”

So what is it? Here’s the next batch of clues from the ad:

“… with the 2022 CHIPS and Science Act passed into law and over $52 Billion pledged to increasing chip manufacturingโ€ฆitโ€™s only months before this company could be on every investorโ€™s radar.

“You see, this European company supplies a proprietary technology that constructs the circuitry of semiconductors. This advanced technology can construct narrow and complex circuits on silicon that can create faster components that perform better than previous chips.

“These chips make up much of what we use today: laptops, smartphones, televisions, video game consoles, cars, and other consumer electronics. These advanced chips even have military applications, and the government has set aside $2 billion for DoD-related microelectronics applications.

“And they rely on this one company to help them do it.”

So what is it? It’s not Intel (INTC) or NVIDIA (NVDA), the two largest US chipmakers… it’s not the big equipment makers Applied Materials (AMAT) or LAM Research (LRCX). Thinkolator sez, if we’re talking about a monopoly or near-monopoly on constructing those teensy little circuits, and it’s a European company, this must be the Dutch lithography leader ASML (ASML).

Here’s the summary of the company’s business from YCharts:

“Founded in 1984 and based in the Netherlands, ASML is the leader in photolithography systems used in the manufacturing of semiconductors. Photolithography is the process in which a light source is used to expose circuit patterns from a photomask onto a semiconductor wafer. The latest technological advances in this segment allow chipmakers to continually increase the number of transistors on the same area of silicon, with lithography historically representing a meaningful portion of the cost of making cutting-edge chips. Chipmakers require next-generation EUV lithography tools from ASML to continue past the 5-nanometer process node. ASML’s products are used at every major semiconductor manufacturer, including Intel, Samsung, and TSMC.”

And the stock has been a barnburner over the years… though it also got a bit over its skis in the 2021 growth stock mania, so the price is down more than 50% from its peak late last year, and just a hair from its 52-week low at the moment. They’ve got a lot of company in that neighborhood, and the big semiconductor equipment companies have all tended to trade pretty much in unison of late — this is the three-year chart of Applied Materials (AMAT, blue), Lam Research (LRCX, green), ASML (ASML, purple), compared to the Nasdaq 100 index of (mostly) tech stocks (in orange), and to the shares of Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM, pink), the biggest chipmaker in the world… ASML has had the highest highs, and the best overall performance, but none of those companies really stand out as bucking the trend recently:

ASML Total Return Level Chart

And, as luck would have it, ASML just reported its results early this morning… so we’ve got some fresh data to work with.

There are generally three warring narratives to deal with when it comes to chipmaking equipment companies: The first is that they’re very cyclical businesses, and semiconductors have tended to go from shortage to glut as the cycle proceeds, leading to a surge of capital investment that’s followed by a bust after capacity gets overbuilt… we went through a rapid phase of that with COVID, and it’s unclear where we are now; The second is that China is both the world’s biggest consumer of chips and the most aggressive, in recent years, at adding chipmaking capacity… and US restrictions on China and a burgeoning cold war is threatening to reduce sales at the “western” chip companies and chip equipment companies, as those firms are forced to stop selling some high-end stuff to Chinese customers, so that’s a near-term headwind for a lot of chip-related companies; and the third is that there may be an ongoing boom in chip equipment companies as the world tries to bring supply chains back home, moving more semiconductor production out of Taiwan and China and “onshoring” with big semiconductor foundries being built in Japan, the US, Europe and elsewhere, which is probably good for the equipment makers. Eventually. It can take five years to build a big new semiconductor foundry, so often the cycles of capital investment don’t line up perfectly with the economic cycles.

Still, there seems to be no chance that the world will stop using semiconductors or needing more of them… or that the technology will stop advancing, even if perhaps there is a physical limit on how tiny a circuit can become. So there is a strong long-term backdrop for the industry, even if the revenue can be lumpy year to year, and it has been challenging for any company to stay in the technological lead for very long.

And what’s up with ASML now? They reported a quarter that was pretty much flat with a year ago — their profit fell from โ‚ฌ1.71 billion to โ‚ฌ1.70 billion, and their sales rose by about 10% to โ‚ฌ5.78 billion, and they had record bookings this quarter of โ‚ฌ8.9 billion, so demand remains very strong, even with the uncertain economic backdrop. The company sounded more optimistic than most chip-industry investors and analysts feel right now, and they beat most of the relatively pessimistic analyst estimates. We should probably assume that the operators of the business know it better than the investors do, and they’re pretty pleased with how things are working out so far.

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Their sales forecast for the fourth quarter, which is generally what investors care about most from an earnings report (we want to know the future more than we want to know the past), was a little higher than the average analyst estimate, with the midpoint of their forecast being about 3.5% higher than the estimates… and whaddya know, the stock rose by about that much this morning at the open, with a pop of roughly 4%.

They also downplayed the impact of the recent export restrictions from the US, mostly because they’re not a US company, and they say that their sales to China don’t depend on US technology. That could change, of course, and perhaps government entities will more meaningfully pressure ASML to restrict its sales to China more meaningfully at some point… but the leverage the US has over a Dutch company is inherently limited, particularly if that company is not using a lot of proprietary technology from US companies.

Right now, ASML expects to have revenue of โ‚ฌ21.1 for the full year, with gross margins that are still remarkably high at around 50% (that’s higher than many of the other big semi equipment companies, but not dramatically so — a lot of them are in the high-40s). The stock probably looks better to Dutch investors than it does in the US, since the falling Euro currency makes that number look less impressive in dollars than it would have a few months ago, but that also helps their gross margins, since a lot of their costs are in euros and they sell a lot of equipment in dollars, so much of the currency upheaval gets washed out eventually.

In valuation terms, they’re trading at about the lowest valuation relative to free cash flow that they’ve had in the past five years (about 16X free cash flow), and the PE ratio is down to about 25 (it bottomed out around 22 back in 2019). The challenge, as with a lot of companies in this space, is that they had blockbuster earnings last year, are widely expected to have lower earnings this year, and analysts are having trouble estimating the extent to which earnings growth will restart in 2023 and 2024. At this point, they’re in the trough part of a three-year period during which analysts think they’ll average about 11% earnings growth (from almost $16 in earnings per share in 2021 to a bit over $21 by 2024)… but that’s skewed by the fact that they’re expected to have only about $13 in earnings per share in 2022, so next year’s earnings growth could well, if analysts are correct, be a far more dramatic 40%+.

With that kind of backdrop, you have to form your own opinion about how much of a multiple to pay… are you buying a company that’s having a pretty flat year this year, and maybe even shrinking a bit, or a company that’s expected to see surging growth again next year?

Right now, at about $420 per share, ASML trades at about 23X forward earnings estimates. That would have been an average valuation last year, though it’s a pretty rich premium to the market right now, and I’d say a premium is deserved, given the growth at ASML and the likelihood of future growth… but it’s also always true that the price you pay matters. Near-peer very large companies in this same semiconductor capital equipment space, albeit with different technologies and products, mostly trade at about 10X earnings today (Lam Research (LRCX), Applied Materials (AMAT) and KLA (KLAC), for example), so ASML trades at an even bigger premium to their sector. Mostly because the growth profile is much more dramatic — those firms have mostly had earnings growth over the past five years in the 15-20% neighborhood, and are expected to slow down to about 7-10%, while ASML has grown at 30% for five years and is expected to keep growing at 25% for the next five. Those analyst projections will not be specifically correct, of course, nobody can predict the future — but they tell you why ASML is more expensive: Expectations are much higher.

On balance, that’s probably a pretty reasonable valuation for a near-monopoly equipment provider in an industry that should have huge growth in the next five years as the US, Japan and South Korea, in particular, are providing substantial government incentives to push forward in building more advanced semiconductor manufacturing. Every time you build a new plant or upgrade to make better and faster chips, the demand for ASML’s machines should grow… but it’s not a steady business, as we saw from the rush to install new equipment last year and the pullback this year. And it is extremely reliant on just a few very large customers, most of the time — last year, more than 80% of their revenue came from their three biggest customers, Taiwan Semiconductor, Intel, and Samsung, and, while they are trying to expand into new areas, including into memory chipmakers to extend the dominance they have in logic chipmakers, that reliance on the largest chip makers in the world will probably continue.

Those are tight relationships, and were started as really collaborative partnerships — ASML gave shares to those companies a decade ago, as part of building their collaborative work in developing next-generation machinery, and a lot of those shares have since been sold, but the close relationship with those mega-customers appears to persist. Which both makes them volatile when capital spending plans at those companies change, like when TSMC cut its capex budget for this year by about 10%… and probably helps them in fending off the competition.

Will that always be the case? I don’t know. ASML pioneered the extreme ultraviolet lithography that is the market-leading technology right now, and the estimates that I’ve seen say that they have better than 60% market share in photolithography in general, and are both taking share and improving their margins… but I’m not at all an expert in the hot trends in semiconductor manufacturing, and perhaps something better will come along in the next few years. Or perhaps Chinese companies will get away with stealing the technology from them, as they’re currently alleging in court (ASML has a lot of lawyers, and defending their patents, as they continue to innovate, is a big part of the business).

I’d feel relatively confident about ASML, if only because chipmakers tend to be very slow to adjust to new technologies and revamp their fabs for new equipment. Once they’ve adopted a technology that is reliable and effective, it’s not easily supplanted — you don’t take risks with these kinds of plants. Which might mean they have an unusually strong tailwind here, since we’re on the cusp of maybe the most aggressive expansion in large high-end semiconductor foundries that we’ve ever seen, inspired by the worries about Chinese and Taiwanese dominance of the semiconductor supply chain — if all those new foundries are built with ASML equipment installed, they could further cement their market leadership for a long time into the future. And though Taiwan Semiconductor itself might end up being a political flashpoint if China gets more assertive with its neighbor, and that could upset in the business in the short term because TSM is probably ASML’s largest single customer, it’s also good for ASML that TSM is trying to become more global and further spread its footprint — they’re moving forward with major new foundries in both the US and Japan, and I’d be surprised if those new foundries aren’t filled up with ASML equipment.

But this is definitely a grow-grow-grow business — they depend overwhelmingly on equipment sales, with their high-end lithography machines costing upwards of $250 million each, and the part of a business that is often more appealing to conservative investors, the ongoing recurring revenue for stuff like maintenance and service contracts on that equipment, is pretty low (it was 28% of sales back in 2017, and 27% last year). It is growing, though, almost as quickly as the overall sales in most years, so it should gradually become a more important part of the business as the installed base grows, which might smooth things over time (some of the “service and field options sales” growth, recently, has really been from selling “upgrade” packages for their existing equipment, helping their customers ramp up production to deal with the spike in demand last year without buying new machines, and that won’t necessarily be recurring). I’d be happier if there was more of a recurring revenue business associated with their equipment, but the overall growth is so dramatic, including their bookings growth that should result in higher future sales, that it’s not so hard to overlook that.

No guarantees, of course, but things actually look better than I expected they would for this stock, particularly after briefly considering it a few times over the past year or two and dismissing it as “too expensive”. It’s still a “growth stock,” and sentiment about that group is volatile right now… but the valuation is more reasonable than I’ve seen at ASML in many years. I don’t own it and can’t buy it for at least three days, since I’m writing about it for you today, but I can see reasons to begin to get interested here — hopefully the shares will fade back down in the next panic and give us a cheaper buy opportunity, one is always tempted to be greedy and hope for a real washout these days, but, given the strong growth in their order book and their optimism about the next generation of their equipment over the next few years, the valuation looks pretty rational right now.

And the Motley Fool covers ASML with free articles, too, not just these teased “premium” reports — so you can also get a sense of what the buzz is about the stock over there, they posted a “bull vs. bear” piece on ASML over the weekend. And if you’d prefer to hear from the company itself, ASML’s results announcement this morning is here, including the conference call and an interview with CFO Roger Dassen if you’d like to dig in a bit deeper.

Color me tempted, but not currently invested. Seeing red or green with this one? What do you think the ASML future holds? Worthy a buy? Let us know your thoughts with a comment below. Thanks for reading!

Disclosure: of the companies mentioned above, I own shares of NVIDIA. I will not trade in any covered stock for at least three days, per Stock Gumshoe’s trading rules.

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julian_satran
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October 19, 2022 12:48 pm

The problem with chip maker tools is that they are as cyclical as the chipmaking. They get bought when/if the chipmakers change a generation (like when moving from 9 to 7nanometer – (numbers are just an example). Most chipmakers have to make a huge capital investment when that happens. According to what I know there are some chipmakers that struggle to get to the latest generation, but not the largest (TSMC, Intel etc.) and lithography is not their main or only issue (ASML will happily sell them but that is not a large number of machines). So until the next generation is close to us I would not “bet” on ASML.

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doc5653
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doc5653
October 19, 2022 1:10 pm
Reply to  julian_satran

Right now there’s a huge push to build new fabs. The US government is even subsidizing it. Personally I dont think Intel or other chipmakers need subsidies but it’s still going to take another or two to bring those fabs online. If it’s cyclical then i think we’re in the good part of it.

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timcarp1964
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timcarp1964
October 19, 2022 4:43 pm
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I have trouble with government bailouts too, but it’s very difficult for US semiconductor companies to compete with Chinese subsidized competitors. We are at a critical point in technological history. The wrong move and the US could end up about as relevant as Japan is today.

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doc5653
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doc5653
October 19, 2022 1:03 pm

I’m a bit disappointed by this analysis. LRCX is probably ASML’s biggest competitor but there wasn’t much discussion about that.

I happen to own both, as well as TSM. IMHO ASML and LCRX are “picks and shovels” investments. It doesn’t matter if TSM, Samsung, Intel, ot NVDA or whoever else sells the chips, it’s the fact that the two companies provide the masks for the manufacturers. They don’t make chips per se. As long as there’s a market for chips it doesn’t matter who makes them. They rely on ASML and LCRX. For now, anyway.

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doc5653
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doc5653
October 19, 2022 1:11 pm

I spread my bets. ๐Ÿ™‚

If there’s a gold rush then someone is going to make a lot of money selling shovels.

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timcarp1964
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October 19, 2022 1:05 pm

Technically Nvidia isn’t 1 of the top 2 US Semiconductor companies. They are beneath Micron, Qualcomm, Broadcom, and TI… Those are obviously just US companies. Add in Samsung, Hynix, and Mediatek and Nvidia barely makes the top 10. I do think ASML is probably a good buy given the chips act which will take a while to turn into revenue at a company like this.

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timcarp1964
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October 19, 2022 4:48 pm

Good point. I was going by revenue as hyped up retail buyers have run up NVDA. QCOM is completely fabless too, but has almost 2x revenue as NVDA

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devropr9591
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October 19, 2022 1:33 pm

I took a hard look at ASML a few months ago. My take is they are the only company that produces the equipment necessary for the newest chips with the smallest circuitry, The Chinese government is investing a lot of money in research to duplicate their capabilities, but have not done so – yet. That is the biggest threat to their monopoly. And it is a monopoly today.

5 years stats:
Revenue: up 193%, or 24%/year.
Earnings: up 328%, or 33.75% per year. I always find it interesting when companies can get more out of new earnings.,
Price: up 119%, or 17%/annum. Even though valuation is high, Mr. Market has not match the increase in either revenues or earnings.
Dividends: up 226%, or 26.7%/annum.

As noted price to cash flow is not cheap at 22.8%. But PEG is estimated at 1.3.

My recollection is that they have 16-18 months of back orders. I do not know what chips the new plants in the US and other places will build. But if they are the high end, high performance chips they will need ASMLโ€™s equipment.

Disclosure: I decided to buy and it is about 1.4% my portfolio. I expect this to be a long term holding unless they lose their high moat position.

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devropr9591
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October 19, 2022 1:50 pm
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Correction: I find it interesting when a company can increase earnings more than revenues increase.

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doc5653
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doc5653
October 19, 2022 4:27 pm
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Increased efficiency.?

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tevanj
October 19, 2022 3:18 pm

Funny
There is ASML motley fool article today 10/19 and at the bottom states it owns and recommends ASML but ASML is not one of its top 10 stocks.
โ€œPROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPANY IN THE WORLDโ€

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doc5653
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October 20, 2022 6:04 pm
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I bought a Stock Advisor subscription in 2019. They don’t seem to have a sell signal for most stocks. For instance I was up 500% on ZM and thanks to their recommendation to hold for 5 years my position is now underwater.

Same thing happened with Charlotte’s Web. It totally cratered and there was not one recommendation to sell.

I like to use trailing stops but thanks to Motley Fool I ignored the signals.

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Geoff Ballard
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October 23, 2022 7:35 pm
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Motley Fool also recommended Marley Spoon about 18 months or so ago. The stock price cratered around 80% since then. No comment from Motley Fool. Luckily, I only dipped my investment toe .

I independently researched the technology behind silicon chip manufacturing and bought some ASML for all the reasons you have enunciated. Under water a bit at present , but anticipate the stock price will resurface. Sales are very lumpy as the machines cost mega bucks. At this level a lot of de-risking of the share price has taken place.

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advantedges
November 10, 2022 10:37 pm
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Wait! There is a stock named Marley Spoon? I thought Lemonade for a stock name that deals with Pet Insurance, etc. was Silly, but this one takes the cake, (best eaten with a Spoon!) LOL

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advantedges
November 10, 2022 10:35 pm
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doc Please do not trust the Motley Fool for advice on Stop Loss or Portfolio Management.
The team there does not have a clue how to trade these very volatile companies like ZM.
You need to do your own charting and Sell when you reach a target OR have a 7-10% Stop in
place to protect your assets.

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November 11, 2022 3:54 am
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I tried Motley Fool for a couple of years. They’re good at telling you what to buy but terrible at selling. There was one stock pick Charlotte’s Web that cratered an I never got a seel recommendation. It’s like it fell off their radar.

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cabaoke
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cabaoke
October 19, 2022 9:15 pm

This has been probably the most interesting comment thread I’ve heard at gumshoedom in a long time. Actually made me consider deploying some of my very little pile of cash toward it…only for a moment though (still feel that our labor shortage that will last for the rest of my life hasn’t been factored in yet). Soooooo still not buying. Thanks to everyone that commented!!!

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povhq1
October 19, 2022 9:42 pm
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Amen! — As the recession deepens and matures over the next 6 months or so, expect another 15%-20% market decline and some great buying opportunities.

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stumbled top gain
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stumbled top gain
October 20, 2022 1:31 pm
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Hypothesize some figures as to what you think is little, (giving me something to work with), and I’ll tell you what I think you should or shouldn’t do with “small” on this one. Solely an opinion whatever eventuates.

Travis’s “On balance…” line is the key to this one.

Keith Keller
Keith Keller
October 20, 2022 2:39 pm
Reply to  cabaoke

Is the “labor shortage” just an excuse to automate with robots etc.?

advantedges
November 10, 2022 10:49 pm
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AGREED – This is a good thread for discussion, and glad that Travis is joining in.
I do not agree with the comments below and your negative concept regarding labor shortages.
We need to look at the history of trading between November and May of each year going back
for decades. While there are cases, (like 2022, where the market starting tanking in December,
and didn’t give up until recently, with a 25-30% decline (or more in certain cases), this market
has been challenging for buy and hold investors.
What we can look for – instead of “the recession deepening,” is a possibility that the move down
in the dollar and interest rates today – With the tremendous oversold rally today – is a possible
rally of 14+ percent from the end of the election thru to the spring. What makes this crazy is that
we may have seen a big move today, with an oversized rally!
What will happen next? Well, as we are looking at charts of the former leaders and the charts of
new leaders – our work is cut out for us. We do know that this is clearly a market that can be traded
and we should all learn to work these charts to our advantage. Lets share ideas on which stocks
have the best potential and which ones are now overbought, and should be traded.
TRAVIS – Any interest in setting up a trade thread for people to share their best ideas?

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deboruth
January 23, 2023 10:52 pm
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The labor force is emerging from the Covid pandemic shrunk by several factors. “Long Covid” is interfering with mitochondrial function, cognitive function, and autonomic nervous systems to a degree disabling an estimated 2-4 million newly handicapped people in the US. An NIH “RECOVERY” study budgeted at $1 billion may reveal how much this is likely to permanently trim the work force. Other countries are in the same situation.
Also, data suggest birthrates are down and fertility has become impaired since the pandemic arrived.
Finally, data here and in other stricken countries point to sizeable unexplained additions to death rates (i.e. “mystery deaths”) among younger cohorts quite apart from the recorded deaths from Covid, in which age groups at or beyond life expectancy years predominate.
Whether these factors add up to present and continuing labor shortages would depend, of course, on demand for labor and possible elasticity of demand and supply.

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adadfarm
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adadfarm
October 20, 2022 12:26 am

A little noticed domestic USA company that has a patent-protected moat with regard to the burn-in testing of silicon-carbide wafer testing is AEHR Test Systems (AEHR). It is a true pick-and-shovel company poised to participate strongly in the burgeoning electric-vehicle industry where strong growth is projected for the next several years. In my opinion, management is extraordinarily competent. I recommend listening to the recording of the company’s conference call pertaining to its recent quarterly report, paying attention to the CEO’s opening and Q & A remarks in particular. By way of disclosure, I have been long since early September of last year and would consider adding on weakness. — Curt

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malasezzia
October 21, 2022 10:40 pm

good discussion. I recently retired as an executive in a company (35 yrs in that one) which produces PZT products in class 100 FABs. Out of college (almost 50 years ago) I worked for TI in Dallsa and Austin. One area i will not invest in, ever, is Semi mfg equip. Its way too cyclical. The easiest thing too cut out of one’s budget is the 50 million $ expansion of ones fab, much less spending far more on a new one.

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david
david
October 22, 2022 11:37 pm

Risk Hedge also believe ASML is the most worthy of the semi conductor type stocks.

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devropr9591
devropr9591
July 17, 2023 3:15 pm

Thank you again Travis. There is an excellent company review on Business Breakdowns that explains there history, who they are, their current 100% moat for the most advanced machines and 90% market for the next level down. It also explains there collaborative pricing philosophy that rewards them for innovation while keeping customers on board. They are scheduled to release their next gen machine to the market. Trivial note: it takes three jumbo jets to deliver the machine to the customer.

A source notes that the Chinese are pouring extensive research into building their own machines, spurred by the current restrictions on ASML exporting to China. But there is no evidence they have a functioning machine TODAY. Personal take is China will eventually develop or steal the technology. But will the rest of the world want to rely on China supply chain for the most important semi-conductor machines on the planet? Perhaps, but certainly less so today than 5 years ago.

Another great equipment company is LAM Research. But their machines serve a different, middle tier market. I compared some metrics between the LRCX and ASML

Free Cash Flow yield to Enterprise Value: LRCX: 2.93 v. ASML: 2.6%
10 yr price AGR (PAGR): 27% v. 30% (both at the high end to the linear regression channel (+2 sigma = 2 std. Dev.)
5 yr Earnings AGR (EAGR): 27% v 29%
5 Revenue AGR (RAGR): 17% v. 27%
5 yr PAGR: 29% v. 17%
Debt/Eq: 59% v. 36%

They both enjoy similar high growth metrics. I own ASML at around $500 and it is a top 10 position for me because of moat. I donโ€™t own LRCX would consider adding it to my portfolio on a serious pull back. But not holding my breath given the current momentum and excitement in semis.

On a side note. Cadance, the chip designing software company has grown their FCF 16% AGR for the past 5 years. On 26% 5 yr EAGR. FCF/EV is low at 1.7% because their EV is sky high. Another candidate, but not at 3 standard deviations above their average price trend,

Anyway some more info for those who are interested.

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