Fool’s “Potential ‘Backdoor’ to Bitcoin Profits” Pick

What's David Gardner's latest recommendation for Motley Fool Stock Advisor?

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, December 4, 2017

I noted in the Friday File for the Irregulars a few days ago that I’ve been getting more and more questions about bitcoin. And I’m sure that’s no surprise to you… heck, I was even at a birthday party for a friend’s child over the weekend and the few new folks I met, when they learned what I do with my time, also immediately asked about bitcoin. Talk of cryptocurrencies is surely in the air.

So despite the fact that I’ve sold essentially all of my cryptocurrencies, I do still pay attention to them… and I’ll keep writing about these teaser pitches that promise things like “the next bitcoin” or “the backdoor into bitcoin” or “the picks and shovels for bitcoin miners.”

There are lots and lots of bitcoin teaser pitches out there — but I tend to get more questions about Motley Fool teaser pitches than most others, so let’s start there… David Gardner, who has shown a tremendous ability to buy “expensive” stocks (“Rule Breakers,” he calls them) and let his winners ride, has apparently just picked a stock that’s “a potential backdoor to bitcoin profits.”

So what is it? The ad is for Motley Fool Stock Advisor, which David Gardner co-edits with his brother, fellow Motley Fool founder Tom Gardner, and if you don’t feel like subscribing to learn that “secret” we’ll see what the Thinkolator can tell us.

Let’s dig in… here’s the first part of the ad…

“Legendary investor David Gardner unveiled his latest stock pick… and I haven’t been this excited about a brand-new recommendation in a long time!

“Because his latest recommendation is a ‘backdoor’ opportunity into a big trend that’s become the financial story of 2017.

“I’m talking about Bitcoin — which has surged 659% just this year alone creating a new wave of ‘Bitcoin millionaires’ in the process.”

OK… so what else do we learn about this pick?

The ad says that bitcoin is so volatile that it’s “hard to buy and own…” but that this recommendation can capture that upside without the volatility. More hints:

“David Gardner’s newest recommendation is a savvy backdoor way to position your portfolio to capture the upside of the Bitcoin boom…

“This new recommendation — just announced — is creating a way to bring Bitcoin into the mainstream financial world.

“So even if Bitcoin soars another 1,000%… drops 50%… or sits flat for the next year, this company is positioned to profit so long as people are trading the digital currency.”

We all know there’s no such thing as a free lunch, I suppose — so you can think through that and note that yes, perhaps this company’s positioned to profit “as long as people are trading” … but profit how much? Certainly it’s not likely to provide crazy gains like bitcoin has if it’s an indirect and “profit as long as people are trading” investment.

But let’s figure out what the stock is before we get into the criticism… other hints?

“When this company’s new Bitcoin exchange opens in a few short weeks, we believe the volume of Bitcoin trading could soar even higher.”

So what’s the stock? Well, that’s not a lot of clues… but we can throw in some surmising to go with the thinkolating here, and shrink our universe a little bit.

First of all, David Gardner’s making a recommendation for Motley Fool Stock Advisor here, the Motley Fool’s very large flagship newsletter (reportedly more than 250,000 active subscribers)… that means he’s not recommending anything tiny or sketchy or that trades outside the US. This will be a large cap stock… or at least a solid mid-cap with a multibillion-dollar market cap.

And second, he notes that the new Bitcoin exchange opens “in a few short weeks,” which means it’s likely something specific and regulated and well-telegraphed… unlike the seat-of-your-pants behavior that seems typical of the alt-coin exchanges and marketplaces.

Third, the Motley Fool (admirably) has a disclosure policy, so we can double check the major financial exchange operators that might plausibly match these clues, and see which ones the Fool has formally recommended. That cuts it down further.

So what stock is being touted? Thinkolator comes in with 90%+ certainty on this being CME Group (CME), the huge future exchange operator. CME is certainly large enough (market cap of $50 billion), it has announced that it will begin trading bitcoin futures in a couple weeks (on December 18), and as of yesterday it was disclosed as a stock that has been recommended by a Motley Fool newsletter.

Why not 100% certain then? Well, you could make a good argument for CBOE Group (CBOE) as well, the big CME derivatives competitor (to oversimplify: CBOE used to handle options, CME futures, though both have grown dramatically over the years and used their broad, Chicago shoulders to edge into each others’ turf). CBOE has also been a Fool recommendation, it’s also easily large enough (market cap $14 billion), and it has also announced plans to start bitcoin futures trading… in fact, it announced its bitcoin futures after CME did, but also jumped the gun a bit and will start trading eight days before the CME bitcoin futures begin trading.

I don’t know that it will make any difference which one of these competitors gets more bitcoin futures trading volume… they’ll probably both do quite well as institutional investors look to get bitcoin exposure in a regulated exchange where they can do trustworthy hedging (and, importantly, shorting — betting against bitcoin either as a directional bet, or to hedge their bitcoin holdings).

And, frankly, I don’t know whether the addition of futures trading will be good or bad for bitcoin prices in the near term — lots of folks are consumed with Fear Of Missing Out (FOMO) when it comes to bitcoin, and that certainly includes lots of institutional investors. It seems likely to me that it will be devastating for the stupid exchange-traded bitcoin funds like Bitcoin Investment Trust (GBTC), since the huge premium at which those funds trade should evaporate as soon as other ways to access bitcoin on an exchange arrive… and if we are getting regulated futures, then ETFs might not be that far behind.

CBOE’s bitcoin futures pricing will settle for cash based on the price set by Gemini Trust, the bitcoin exchange owned by the Winklevoss twins (Gemini licensed their pricing data to CBOE a while ago, and the Winklevosses have been trying for years, a failed effort so far, to get SEC approval to list a bitcoin ETF). CME’s futures will price daily based on the price (presumably the average) across four major exchanges (Bitstamp, GDAX, itBit and Kraken).

So… what will this do to CME prices? Well, CME is the exchange operator — they don’t make a bet on direction for any of the futures and options contracts they manage, they just take their trading fees off the top and sell access to the exchange and the exchange’s data (about 85% of revenue is from ‘clearing and transaction fees,’ exactly the kind of financial friction that people hope blockchain will help to reduce, another 10% is selling data and information).

Like major competitors Intercontinental Exchange (which owns the competing ICE exchange as well as the NYSE) and CBOE, their margins are very high and their earnings depend more on volume of trading than on direction of trading. Bear markets are fine, unless bear markets make people trade less. CME did collapse in the 2008 crisis, and it’s only this year that they’ve recovered to above that 2007 high… but partly that’s because it got to a pretty crazy valuation in 2007

And, of course, CME and CBOE and Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) are all subject to the pressures that are created by alt-currencies — these big, regulated exchanges where trading is constrained and contained and verified could someday be put out of business by an effective blockchain technology, I suppose… blockchain could dramatically change any transactional business as it becomes more widespread and accepted (by removing the need for escrow and settlement, for example, with ‘smart contracts’). But that won’t be happening overnight, to be sure — exchanges have had their revolution as they’ve moved from floor trading to electronic trading, and that will continue and maybe evolve into blockchain-based trading, but it won’t be immediate and the giants will probably be the ones to bring it forward.

So… is CME worth buying here? Trading is not at record highs, but the stock is (CME, ICE and CBOE are all at new highs), and so it trades at a pretty steep valuation relative to its growth rate. CME is expected by analysts to earn $4.77 this year and $5.35 next year, so at $152 a share you’re paying a current year PE of 32 and a forward PE of 28. That doesn’t sound ludicrous in this environment, I suppose, with so many large cap stocks trading at lofty PE ratios (and with volatility low, which means there’s probably room for increased sales if volatility picks up dramatically)… but it’s surely not cheap. Analysts have CME penciled in for 11% earnings growth over the next five years, so the price/earnings/growth (PEG) ratio is pretty steep at just under 3.

Before the recent “grade inflation” in the markets, I would have said that 1-2 is a mainstream PEG ratio in most sectors, anything under 1 is probably cheap, and anything over 2 better mean you have a reason to think the analysts are dummies. But now, with money still rushing to large cap stocks because it has nowhere else to go, maybe PEG ratios are temporarily irrelevant… we’ll see.

By way of comparison, CBOE has a PEG ratio below 2, mostly because analysts expect much faster growth of 20% a year (the forward PE is 32); ICE has a PEG ratio of about 2, because the current valuation is lower (forward PE is 21, growth expectations are similar to CME’s at about 10%/yr).

If bitcoin becomes “real” and drives substantial institutional trading, I suspect they will all have a role to play… and, frankly, it wouldn’t be surprising if bitcoin futures and derivatives pretty quickly became a larger business than bitcoin itself, so we might have huge institutions trading futures on something for which the fair prices are set by hyperactive teenage traders in Shanghai and Amsterdam (I know, that’s not really true — bitcoin is traded by all kinds of folks… but it is overwhelmingly a “retail” level phenomenon still). Brave new world.

I wouldn’t try to talk you out of CME, or of CBOE or ICE, for that matter — they’re all solid “toll taker” businesses, and while they will probably be disrupted by technology over time they’re also an oligopoly that has proven its ability to absorb competition and embrace technology, they aren’t necessarily destined for decline even as the world changes.

Nor are they destined to make you instantly rich on the back of bitcoin, however. Bitcoin will probably not be a driving force for CME’s earnings next year, most likely, though it may have a measurable impact (much like the proprietary VIX options have been a nice driver for CBOE, I suppose)… I’d assume that market forces will be much more important, like more trading volume in general, or higher volatility, or whatever else lifts animal spirits and gets people shouting “buy” or “sell.”

The biggest concern I have is the concern I have about much of the market, frankly — it’s that real company expectations are flatlining even as the stock soars… this has been a stock surge based on future sentiment, not on actual company performance — CME for most of the past few years has fluctuated around in a pretty narrow range between 24-30X trailing earnings, but has now broken out to 35X trailing earnings, a valuation we haven’t seen for CME since the heady days of early 2008. That doesn’t mean the stock’s about to fall, but it makes me a little nervous.

So I’ll leave you there, dear friends, with one “Bitcoin Backdoor” to chew on… have any interest in CME Group? Or smaller CBOE, for that matter, if you think launching their bitcoin futures a week earlier than CME is going to give them an enduring advantage? Let us know with a comment below.


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George
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George

Also look at OSTK and their tZero blockchain platform –

altierior
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Agreed. I bought positions in OSTK – both stock and options – a few weeks ago. I think it is a good play for cryptocurrencies.

robert
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CBOE made application to the CFTC to trade bitcoin futures in August and CME didn’t (“believe in bitcoin, I surmise) until October, when they made application. So let’s not give CME such credit at the expense of the forward thinking CBOE. And looking forward, CBOE will undoubtedly trade options on bitcoin. Options have more limited risk than do futures.

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jim
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jim

As always travis is thoughta are very insightful.I would lije to add other bacdoor entries shuch as mara,hives,mgti ,hive.v etc.They are mibers and bockchain software guys.

jim
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sorry for naby spelling erros miners insread of mibers,likes inplace of likes,bacdoor inplace of backdoor rtc

nilsmellquist
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Not going to move the needle for CME. Folks have also been teasing NVDA and MU and TSM as backdoor “mining” plays but they actually have no idea that we’ve reached the physical limits of processing power so once again, this is not a great way to play bitcoin on the cheap, as it were. The issue I have with the fool as a value investor is that they simply are growth investors and who knows what their real track record is despite the glitzy marketing.

chiro85
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chiro85

I have taken a small position in BTL (BTLLF). They create block chains for other companies. A lot safer than crypto, IMO. I bought 400 share and sold 300 shares when it moved up 50% in 3 weeks. I’m holding 100 at 0 cost basis. Maybe those 100 shares will make me rich (Just kidding.). Wont touch the crypto. Why would the IRS keep letting drug money, etc. be laundered without collecting taxes?

Happy Investor
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Happy Investor

The IRS is small player in the global market as far as crypto is concerned.

pumaro
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Cash is primarily used for laundering drug money as its untraceable. Bitcoin leaves a permanent track record and if your the government you can track down ip addresses fairly easily.

danno36
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danno36

Those using Bitcoin for illicit purposes ain’t stupid. They now how to use VPNs to cloak their IP and probably further protect via TOR.

4lllls
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4lllls

California judge just made mandatory reporting from these companies of owners of bitcoin, and any transactions of redemption need to be reported. Now this is not what I heard when this bitcoin thing started. Will bitcoin be sending 10-99″s? Sounds like this might have been an operation started by the irs??? Any thoughts?

Not Saying
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Not Saying

unlike a regular IRA
us it in ur ROTH account
it is tax free , !

mr108
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mr108

Laundering money is done with cash, gold and real estate in many countries.

electrowing
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electrowing

Stock market is a complete scam. You’re way safer buying coins, especially bitcoin.

pumaro
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I have been playing GBTC against the past performance of BTC. Since BTC never stops trading you can get an idea of how GBTC is going to perform.

jcimdog
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Travis have you heard of Altucher’s CryptoCurrency Trader? Its a new service by James Altucher and Kamal Ravikant. They are guaranteeing 1000% returns by among other things recommending new ICOs where they find “legitimate” cryptocurrencies from all the scams.

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kerry365

Long drawn out videos about nothing sustantial. I signed up with the Altuchere’s Cryptocurrency. Paid by Credit Card and then could not login to account. Sent several emails – No reply. Still trying to get refund.

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Skippy

I have found that threatening to lodge a complaint form ( which is available online) to the Bureau of Consumer Protection at the Federal Trade Commission along with all documentation from the newsletter party and copy of your bank statement as proof that the transaction went through gets a refund because they DO NOT want problems with any of the government agencies.

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Agora seem to be having problems sorting their admin.

George
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Agora will eventually respond and refund.

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Hopefully those who do profit from bitcoins know that the IRS wants it reported & taxes paid. A few of my Wall St. buddies seem shocked over that detail. 🙂 Free lunch went out with the thrash.

Adrianus
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Adrianus
CME play not advised according to guru mr High. My advice as “backdoor”: Go in through the front door and Buy a Trezor and subsequently Bitcoin, Litecoin and Ethereum. Bitcoincash. Leave it on the trezor and you will be very fine/very rich in 3-5 years! Physical Gold and Silver will get a BOOST soon. And then for the smarties: Buy some tokens , esp Populous, Veritaseum, and for some later appreciation Pillar. (Salt and AdX not bad either but need more time). You can sent me USD100 for this advice, so no need to go to Altucher or MF for… Read more »
therese01
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Thank you Klijn

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REALLY new to all of this. The ONLY place i want to hang out is here with Travis and people like you, Mr. Klijn. I’m a single mom, just diagnosed with cancer (i will beat it. Thankfully it is not breast….but cancer nonetheless). I am inundated with “this will make you millions”, “this secret has a deadline”, “do this now” type of ads. I am scared and alone. Thankfully before my fear gets me to push a button and spend $2k….i come here and all the sensibility returns. Travis saved me from Agora this morning and you Mr. Klijn saved… Read more »
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#Welcome to the Gummunity SLHouse! 🙂
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Linn
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Linn

Stick with Travis, slhouse! I was a single mom and made a ton of mistakes before finding the Stock Gumshoe. My poor investments have left me with a very pitiful IRA. Don’t buy all the hype; just read Travis’s sage advice.

robert
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robert

joseh de Kliign … i do not understand anything you said about Trezor etc…. could you explain more please? new to all of this. where do you buy these and what differentiates all these plays? Many thanks in advance.

moomba99
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moomba99

Trezor is a BTC wallet you purchase. BTC ETH and LTC can be purchased several places. I use coinbase. Not sure if I can give you my referral for that or not. If so we each get 10$ worth of BTC when you spend 100$

bjw13
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bjw13

okay Joseph we’ll keep tabs on your appreciated recommendations.

Chris
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Chris

has anyone here used the paper backup rather than Trezor? I am new to this world, so would appreciate your advice and experiences.

ka0
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ka0
Speaking of cryptos…IOTA uses next generation technology that uses Tangle, better than blockchain. No data transaction fees, scaleable, becomes more efficient with verification. 99% of IoT data (Internet of Things) are not implemented. IOTA solves this problem, among others. Recently announced partnering with major corporations like Microsoft. Starting a data marketplace where data will be sold like “fuel”…so saying this is big news is an understatement. IOTA is the 4th largest cryptocurrency as of today, and clearly has more room to potentially grow. This is not a recommendation to invest, be aware that all cryptocurrencies are highly volatile, and please… Read more »
bstew
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bstew

I’ve been looking at IOTA but it is more difficult to buy and to set up a wallet. This old dog is tired of new tricks.

Chris
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Chris

I am a new dog, but it certainly is difficult to buy and set up a wallet…have not been able to. Has anyone had success?

JEFF HUDSON
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JEFF HUDSON

I bought IOTA on Binance @ .53 still have on the exchange and will be down loading to a hard wallet (Ledger). Binance is easy to use, the crypto world is scary and very risky.

Bob
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Bob

It trades on Bitfinex but you will need to fund it from an external wallet meaning from a different platform or wallet.

jimbo16
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jimbo16

Wow this is a bit surprising to here you sold your crypto. I have taken some profits off the table but will hold for long term growth. Any reasons you can discuss as i am a little worried with CME’s plans to offer options soon.

Lee
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Lee

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As of Nov 30 – Morgan Stanley takes 11% passive stake in OSTK —

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dolphinlady
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dolphinlady

Hi Lee – if I want to get in on the initial coin offering for Medici tZero SAFT –
what website do I use? I recently signed up with Coinbase, but how do I get in on the initial coin offering before Dec. 18? I’m new to this and would appreciate the information. Thank you in advance for your response.

Mikko
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Mikko

If I buy crypto OSTK seems more interesting than CBOE in this moment , allthougth I do not belive bittmoney in long term because goverments do not accept it,but short there is “gambling oppoturnies” and I take part of it

Lawrence Rayburn
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Lawrence Rayburn

Bitcoin is just another fiat currency….no backing with anything tangible. Therefore, it is a master vehicle for financial panic/collapse worldwide. I think that will come
in about September/October of 2018….along with a limited nuclear war in the
Middle East. The ONLY tangible with any enduring intrinsic value is long term
storage FOOD.

JMHO,

ol’ Lawrence in west Texas

Ragtime Bob
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There’s a sucker born every day! Get used to it! P. T. Barnum was right!

backoffice
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What do you advise as far as $GBTC as an investment? Hold or dump?

jimbo16
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Altho i don’t give advise i can give you an opinion. I only bought GBTC in an IRA account and wouldn’t recommend it otherwise. If you want bitcoin go to an exchange. I bought GBTC 100 shares at $108 around the first of this year when bitcoin first crossed the $1000 mark. When GBTC hit $900 i sold off about 75% thought taking profits was a good idea. When it hit $1500 i sold the remainder saying i would buy it back when it corrects….well i never got that correction and now it is about $2600 so I got greedy… Read more »
backoffice
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how do you feel about $GBTC , I bought it awhile ago , should I dump it or hold it?

vic
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vic

GBTC up another 23% today- $422 gain Now $2273 (Tues 12 Dec) If you have surpassed your initial investment I would sell half and “let your winners run”. Selling half means you have recouped your money and you are playing with “house” money and you avoid the greedy “pigs get slaughtered” scenario if it tanks.Do as chiro85 did (as well as myself) with BTL-take profits and let the remainder ride (IMO)

vic
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vic
This article from Travis has brought lot of comments. This market is definitely wild. In the summer I was reading how GBTC and bitcoin were for fools. When the DOW was at 20000 it was STUPID-now 24000. Now I am looking at cheap ETFs that short the market in case of a correction. Bitcoin was hyped to hit 10000 US by years end-now 17000 with 20000 next. I took small positions in several cryptos with a wait and see approach back in the summer but did not expect to see such a parabolic rise. CME, CBOE? ya sure – small… Read more »
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