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Thinkolating on the “Tesla Killer” — what’s the “Breakthrough ‘Quantum Glass’ Battery”

"Holy Grail" ... "Jesus Battery" ... what the heck is Matt McCall talking about when he says "Folks who get in on this breakthrough now, BEFORE it’s rolled out on mass scale, will have the chance to be a part of the single-largest legal creation of wealth of the last 25 years…"

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, December 16, 2020

This article was originally published on January 17, 2019. The ad is still in heavy circulation, and we are still getting a lot of questions about it, so we’re re-posting our commentary here. The ad is still dated December 2018, and what follows has also not been updated or revised (if you wish to continue your research, the price of the primary stock discussed, Ilika, is now much higher than it was two years ago, there has been other news in battery tech, particularly with Quantumscape, which has now gone public through a SPAC at ticker QS… and Tesla itself is in a far different place as well than it was a couple years ago). We have also left the original comments appended to this article, they include some great feedback and questions and suggestions about a few other stocks in the sector.

From 1/1/19:

“Forever battery,” “Jesus battery,” the “holy grail” of energy storage… those are all terms we’ve heard thrown around before, and in this instance they’re used by Matt McCall in service of his new pitch for his Investment Opportunities newsletter ($49/year for the “basic” version).

And like other advances in batteries, of course, he thinks there’s a way to get rich from it. McCall calls it the “Quantum Glass Battery” and says that all the big energy and tech companies are getting on board, as is the inventor of the lithium-ion battery (John Goodenough).

So will this latest battery be what “sets us free from the scourge of fossil fuels?” That’s a lovely thing to hope for, of course, and it will probably take some breakthroughs in energy storage to make renewable energy a much larger part of our energy supply (since, of course, the wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine, and battery charging is nowhere near fast enough to replace gasoline refueling right now at scale), but let’s see if we can ID the stock he’s talking about, then we can try to separate the stock from the hype and see if it appeals.

Ready?

The first part of the ad is all about safety — demonstrating with some videos the flammable nature of the lithium-ion battery cells, particularly when they get pierced, and then showing a video to demonstrate that this prototype “Holy Grail” battery can take three gunshots and still keep charging your phone.

And he lays it on thick, as ad copywriters always do:

“I call it the Quantum Glass Battery.

“But, as amazing as this is, this is NOT what makes this new type of battery so awe-inspiring.

“This short demonstration offers just a TINY TASTE of something much more revolutionary…

“An evolutionary leap in technology so profound — so transformative — it will likely change everything about your life — from how you get around, to how you communicate with others, even the way you think about the world….

“‘The battery of the future.’ —

Popular Mechanics

He says that this new “Quantum Glass Battery” will also provide “lightning-quick charging”… with a charge that can also last for weeks, not hours, and a much longer lifecycle (over 100,000 recharge “cycles” without degrading, compared to a few hundred for current batteries).

So that pretty much takes care of all current complaints about batteries. As long as it’s fairly light, seems like we’re pretty much guaranteed to all be using this new battery in a matter of weeks, no?

Well, these things take time to go from the lab to the real world. Lots of time. And companies in the past have tended to roll out new battery technologies and chemistries veeerrrryyyy slooooowwwwlllyy… largely because the technology just isn’t ready for commercialization, both because the materials science takes a while to make progress and because of the massive investment required to create new battery manufacturing capacity (and, of course, a new technology is always a risk — particularly when the old one is also still improving nicely each year and is cheap and familiar). The world always moves a lot slower than the marketers would like.

But still, we want to know what company or technology he’s talking about.

And he says it’s already in the works…

“All 5 of the biggest lithium-ion battery makers on the planet are now shifting their focus to this technology…

“Everything you own that requires a battery is about to undergo a major overhaul — digital cameras, flashlights, portable chargers, remote controls, power tools, coffee bean grinders, Bluetooth headsets, GPS devices, blood glucose monitors, pacemakers, electric razors, wristwatches… the list goes on and on…

“As Wired magazine says, “This is the battery breakthrough that could change everything.”

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Wait, if all the big players are already switching to this technology… how is it that we’re supposed to get rich? Does he want us to buy Panasonic or something? (Probably not, but, for what it’s worth, that was one of the stocks pitched during the initial Tesla Gigafactory craze, back in 2014… with not much to show for it four years later and the stock down some 20%, despite the fact that the Gigafactory did open and they’re selling a heckuva lot of Tesla batteries…. be wary of huge companies that are teased as beneficiaries of breakthrough new technologies, it takes a lot of peanuts to feed an elephant.)

So we can probably stipulate that those big guys are all “investing in” this technology, not “switching” to it… can we please get some actual clues?

“NOWHERE will the coming ‘Quantum Glass’ Battery revolution have a more profound — more truly far-reaching — impact than in the worldwide multi-trillion-dollar automotive industry…

“Where just about every major car manufacturer is chomping at the bit to get this type of battery inside their fleet of vehicles…

“In short: This technology is going to finally thrust electric and autonomous vehicles from a fledgling industry…

“Into a mainstream $3 TRILLION global juggernaut…”

OK, so it’s electric car applications that excite him. What else?

“Already companies have begun ripping out outdated lithium-ion battery technology in today’s electric and driverless vehicles and are replacing it with the ground-breaking new “Quantum Glass” Battery technology…

“And the results are nothing short of earth-shattering…

“According to automotive industry insiders, one creation using the “Quantum Glass” Battery technology can fully charge an electric car in as little as 60 seconds.”

The technology is always changing, but that sounds a bit more extreme than the reality — they may be “ripping it out” in the lab, but not in production, nobody is using a solid state battery in a car just yet… though Henrik Fisker keeps claiming he’s already got one ready that he’ll show you… later. The auto industry is as full of hopeful showmen as the newsletter industry, so we should probably change that to “can theoretically fully charge an electric car in as little as 60 seconds… as long as the battery turns out to be commercially viable and safe and fits in the design and someone actually starts producing it.”

What else?

“The largest auto parts suppliers in the world — Bosch and Continental — are now backing the technology behind the ‘Quantum Glass’ Battery.

“Caterpillar, the world’s leading construction equipment company, is aiming to adopt the technology too, for its trucks, diggers, and excavation equipment.

“The world’s biggest manufacturer of spark plugs for gasoline engines is restructuring its entire business to take part in the ‘Quantum Glass’
Battery revolution!”

OK, so what we’re obviously talking about here is solid state batteries, the replacement of a liquid electrolyte in the lithium ion battery with a solid of some kind, which makes different form factors possible and cuts down on the risk of a runaway reaction or a fire if the battery is pierced. And those big companies are all working with solid state battery technology to try to see if it will work… so I guess they’re technically all “backing” this technology, but they’re all trying different techniques and materials and partnering with different R&D labs.

As with many such pitches, this one seamlessly goes from “this technology will revolutionize the world,” which may well be true if it can be commercialized, to “this one little company is destined to dominate it all,” which almost never turns out to be the case with new technologies.

But anyway, a few more clues and a touch more hype:

“I have no doubt this will be the biggest story in the automotive world over the next several years.

“Right now, you can get in before the investing mainstream even catches a whiff of these developments.”

And he alludes to the huge billionaire investing fund that Bill Gates has spearheaded, with the backing of Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson and lots of other high-profile folks — that’s real, it’s called Breakthrough Energy Ventures and it is intended to “commercialize energy innovation at scale,” though it’s only a couple years old at this point and it’s certainly not taking any companies public anytime soon (they do have some interesting sounding investments in batteries and grid storage, including solid state batteries, but these investors are not pushing for quick returns, they’re pushing to change the world a decade from now).

And then, of course, we get to the “one tiny company” argument that is so often at the heart of a stock pitch for a new technology:

“You see, the real story — and the story few people outside a small circle of high-level scientists, engineers and in-the-know insiders know about— is the tiny company at the epicenter of this groundbreaking technology…

“This firm — which is off the radar of 99% of the investing public — has secured the key patents to the technology behind the production of the ‘Quantum Glass’ Battery.”

How does it feel, being just $49 away from owning the patents on the energy storage technology that will dominate the world for the next 20 years? Yeah, you’re probably not — sorry. That’s not the way things work.

But we will endeavor to find the name for free, so that way you don’t need to be disappointed that the hype inspired you to believe something that’s floating 1,000 feet above reality.

And the hype continues, making us practically drool in anticipation:

“A chance to learn how to get in on the ground floor of the tiny firm that’s paving the way for the global $3 TRILLION electric car revolution.

“While it’s still trading for peanuts…

“While NO ONE else knows about it…

“This is like being the first to know about a little-known $1 stock called Netflix in 2003 that would go on to disrupt the entire $496 BILLION entertainment market…”

Don’t worry, it’s not just the next Netflix, it’s the next Microsoft and Amazon, too, poised to dominate pretty much every fun market in the world (Smartphones! Laptops! Internet of Things! Cars!)

OK, get your heart rate back down. What’s the actual company?

“One tiny company—less than 1/1,000 the size of General Motors—who owns the critical patents to the Quantum Glass Battery….

“… patents have already been granted and approved in SIX major automotive markets across the globe, including—
* The United States
* Europe
* China
* Japan
* Canada
* Great Britain”

OK… so some patents around the world, market cap under $50 million or so. Other clues?

“… one of the biggest car companies in the world — a $198 BILLION multi-national behemoth — has sought this tiny firm out.

“This auto giant produces 10 million cars a year and commands a leading 9.2% of the global car market.

“They’ve forged an historic partnership deal with this tiny firm to fast track the production of the technology behind the Quantum Glass Battery… to get it into their cars and bring it into the global mainstream.”

OK, so that’s Toyota… no one else is very close to that big these days. And yes, Toyota and other Japanese automakers are trying to “catch up” in electric vehicles with a partnership to “fast track the development of solid state batteries” … but that’s a team-up of giants, no microcaps need apply (Panasonic and GS Yuasa on the battery side, Toyota, Nissan and Honda on the auto side). Toyota is working with lots of battery researchers and battery companies to test products as well, of course… though it’s also worth pointing out that when they say “fast track” they mean they’d like to have solid-state batteries in cars by 2022 or 2023, with lots of folks, including some folks at Toyota, saying that 2030 is more likely for commercial-scale production.

“Another is the 4th largest auto company in the world who produces more than 5 million cars per years… 20 million motorcycles… 6 million power products.”

So that’s Honda, which, as you might imagine, is also working with lots of different battery partners and consortia.

And we’re told that “production is nearing the critical pilot stages.”

Which presumably means the pilot stage for new production lines for batteries, not actual cars that use the batteries.

Then the spitballing about the effervescent future:

“Let’s say this company’s battery captures just one half of ONE PERCENT of the global electric car market in the coming years…

“That will be enough to boost its revenues to more than $2 BILLION when production and sales are in full swing…

“That’s an incredible 27,746% increase from where it stands today.”

What does that mean? Well, the one half of one percent thing is just a made up number, meant to make you think it’s conservative… but as a clue, it means the current level is somewhere in the single millions – roughly $5-10 million.

And, for a final clue…

“This stock does not trade on a conventional U.S. exchange. In short, the opportunity before you right now is the same kind of potential you’d see in an early-stage, venture capital opportunity — where a tiny start-up’s revenue can spike 27,000% or more over a short period of time. Buying shares is easy, but will take a little more work than it takes to buy regular U.S. stocks. The majority of online brokers will allow you to buy shares.”

So who is it? Thinkolator sez this one seems most likely to be tiny Ilika (IKA on the London Stock Exchange, there is a US OTC symbol at ILIKF but it doesn’t really trade as far as I can tell), a small R&D company that calls itself a solid state pioneer and was spawned (15 years ago) from some materials science work at the University of Southampton, with some initial work with Sony and others on trying to make safer and non-flammable batteries by using a solid electrolyte instead of the liquid in Li-Ion batteries.

Why this stock? Aside from the fact that it went from 10,000 shares traded a day for most of the previous few weeks to 500,000 shares traded yesterday, when this ad presumably was getting signups, it also matches the other clues quite well. But that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be someone else — the clues are not very specific and there are lots of hopefuls in the solid state battery space, and every major manufacturer in automotive or electronics is investing in it as well… all of which have much bigger R&D budgets than the little guys. Other relatively unknown battery names I came across that are working in the area, just to name a few, include Maxwell Technologies (MXWL), Nano One Materials (NNO.V, NNOMF), and the once-bankrupt A123 Systems (now, like the original Fisker car company, owned by Wanxiang). (None of those come close to matching the clues, by the way, just examples).

And it is really overwhelmingly tiny, with a market cap of under $30 million (about GBP$18 million right now)… so to some degree that’s actually an argument against it — it’s hard to justify teasing an illiquid $30 million stock to a huge audience, particularly one that you’d have to buy on the London Stock Exchange… and it’s a very low-priced stock at about 18 pence, so even the big burst in trading that Ilika saw on the day this ad rolled through wasn’t that big: It amounted to only about $100,000 worth of shares changing hands. A lot more than usual, but not a lot for an Investorplace/Stansberry ad campaign.

Ilika’s important product line is called Stereax, and they’ve recently been focusing on automotive applications after making progress on thin film lithium batteries (yes, they’re still lithium batteries — they just use a solid electrolyte instead of the liquid one in most li-ion batteries, partly because it’s the liquid that makes them so flammable and dangerous, apparently). The first wave of products are likely to be using their M250 line in small medical devices and sensors that can handle moisture and hold a trickle charge well, and their high-temperature P180 that’s most likely to be used first in Internet of Things and industrial sensors, possibly including small automotive applications — the real “electric car” possibility is with Goliath, which is not as far along. Probably the best quick overview is their presentation to an investor conference from November, and they do a decent job of explaining their basic battery technology here.

Ilika has been public for quite a while as a microcap R&D company, with essentially flat revenue over the past five years (about 1-2 million pounds a year). So that doesn’t quite match, but it’s fairly close — mostly because they just got a big 4.2 million pound grant from a UK electric vehicle challenge. They are aiming to be similar in business model to the chip design firm Arm Holdings, which is no longer independent but was a huge gainer for a while as it licensed its basic semiconductor architecture designs for all kinds of products.

Their hoped-for scaling up of solid state battery production using their technology is still a ways off, but they sound fairly ambitious — partly because of funding from the Faraday Battery Challenge and other grant programs in the UK — and think they can have a pilot plant in operation late this year to prove the manufacturing technology and process, then have a joint venture with a large manufacturer perhaps as soon as 2020, maybe with additional grant funding.

It all sounds quite cool, frankly, and I do like the Arm-like “asset light” model of patenting and proving technologies and then licensing them to much larger partners who can fund the heavy lifting and manufacturing and pay a relatively modest royalty or license fee. But, of course, a lot of their work is still not ready for prime time (including Goliath), and they don’t have many licensees or partners yet who are actually producing anything (the vast majority of their… but they do sound optimistic (you can hear a presentation from them a few months back here).

And, of course, this little UK solid state battery technology developer is not the only company working on this area. They have competition both from the established lithium ion battery companies, whose products are far better now than they were a decade ago, and from lots of other solid state researchers. They are focusing on areas where current batteries really don’t work at first, particularly with small-scale medical implants that are matched with little energy harvesters.

There are other companies that could be possible matches, for sure, and most of the possible end users are experimenting with lots of different designs and technologies for solid state batteries… or, probably more accurately, sampling lots of designs that have come out of little R&D organizations and university labs to see which might be practical for them.

One company that I see mentioned a lot is Ionic Materials, for example, and their “pouch” batteries appear to be the ones that McCall used in the “shooting your battery” video examples in his ad (it looks like he actually just lifted the video itself, though I’m not sure)… but though they’re a fairly similar size to Ilika and may be larger in terms of the amount of money they’ve raised, they’re still venture-funded, with investments from lots of big names including Total, Nissan, Hyundai, Renault and Franklin Templeton. That’s probably a better initial funding strategy, frankly, than having to trot your CEO out to justify the long-term nature of your materials science R&D to small investors twice a year like Ilika has to, but venture funding wasn’t so easy 15 years ago when Ilika was getting started… and it doesn’t really mean that one of them (or the dozens of other early stage competitors) will “win.” Ionic uses a polymer, by the way, which is fundamentally different from the thin film batteries from Ilika, but there are plenty of companies working on both those basic material structures.

And Volkswagen made a bit of a splash recently by investing $100 million in Quantumscape, one of the battery companies backed by the billionaire folks at Breakthrough Energy Ventures, so there’s a lot of money floating around in this space — that means this one lithium solid state battery tech company just raised more in one deal than Ilika has spent on its R&D and development in a decade… which doesn’t mean it will “win,” of course, but does mean that there’s a lot of global money chasing the same basic idea.

Another to get some recent venture funding was Solid Power… and it wasn’t that long ago that Dyson got into the business in a high profile way with his acquisition of Sakti3, which has now been written off to a large extent… though Dyson is still apparently working on his secret electric car project and on solid state batteries. Also venture-funded in the UK is Superdielectrics, which is hoping to develop supercapacitors using specialized polymers for solid batteries… or maybe for faster charging stations. There are dozens more, and they all sound really cool.

Solid state batteries are widely perceived as being the next likely standard, whether that’s in four or five years or 15 years… but if it was at all obvious, even to insiders, which battery technology would end up being the best, or which patents would be critical, these would not be little independent sub-$50 million companies or venture-funded labs or university research projects… and if the auto companies or battery companies, which spend billions on acquisitions each year, are not sure enough of the winner that they’d just buy them out at a tiny price, well, there’s not much reason for us to be sure, either. Quantumscape apparently now has an implied billion-dollar valuation as a currently fashionable venture favorite, but there are lots of others who tried and failed to do similar things in the past decade, and plenty of others who are well funded and will fail — that’s just the likely long odds for a new battery technology, it’s hard to become a new “standard” and make it into commercialization.

But still, looking for winners is fun… and whether or not Ilika is actually McCall’s primary teased stock, I did find it interesting and could see myself gambling a little bit on their progress over the next 3-5 years. This is a stock that would probably require patience and a willingness to lose your entire investment… they do have some revenue, and it is growing, but it’s all for very early-stage work on low-volume products or prototypes, with the most advanced batteries (not for automotive, but for small sensors) likely to be in prototyping stage this year.

Whether they reach a large-scale commercialization agreement with anyone for any of their technologies or not is at best a coin toss over the next few years — and it would probably require a large-scale agreement to manufacture their batteries, and then also license those batteries to a substantial original equipment manufacturer, to really provide the sexy returns that everyone hopes for (most companies don’t build their own batteries, so they’ll need to partner with a battery company and the eventual OEM that designs the battery into some end product).

The stock could move on anything, of course, just having a tiny market cap with low volume means any bit of news or attention is likely to drive the shares in one direction or another… and I imagine there are plenty of frustrated shareholders who’ve been speculating on this “next great idea” for a few years, since the stock is down more than 80% from its 2014 highs (and in a fairly straight line, as revenue has been quite flat and they’ve essentially just been burning through research funding and grants and, occasionally, selling equity to raise more R&D money).

I’m going to be watching this one, partly because I like but haven’t bought any solid state dreamers just yet. If you’ve got any stocks you prefer in this space, or are better matches for the limited clues, well, feel free to toss ’em on the pile for our consideration — just use the happy little comment box below. Thanks for reading!

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MrBill
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MrBill
October 6, 2019 10:46 am

But McCall isn’t telling us to invest in the battery company. He’s telling us to buy the ‘picks and shovels’ company. Would that be a supplier of lithium?

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Majarafa
November 18, 2019 1:06 pm
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Sand. Middle East, forget oil. Illusionary projections of armies protecting drilling sites. Clearly communicable but can’t envision armies invading deserts and beach resorts. Pail and shovel toddler memories flooding all circuits. Everything is hidden out in the open. The future lies at our feet. Follow the barges sweeping up the beaches into containers. Where are they buried? Invest in the containers. It’s all they will let you get your hands on. Forget the feel of sand between your toes. Or memorialize it in song for generations to figure out like “Lucy in the Sky…”
0r “where have all the flowers gone… maybe “ where have all the beaches gone?”Someone point me to the containers.

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SSvm
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October 9, 2020 7:04 pm
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You totally right SAND is the answer. Check Bloom Energy, they developed and amazing battery made with sand and ink..

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Richard
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Richard
December 25, 2019 12:37 pm

Who specifically do I contact to purchase IKA

chuckmva
chuckmva
January 14, 2020 5:52 pm
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stockbroker, it is ILIKF symbol. It is acting much like a penny stock. I bought some when the first discussion of it at $0.26 cents per share. I’ve been burned before but the information provided has enough that is sounded like it might/maybe/possibly could be worth a small “bet”. I bought 1000 shares for $260 for my grandchildren at
@$0.26 per share. I added more until I had 6000 shares as the stock began to make some small progress upward to 30cents, 34 cents. Then I saw a larger move developing and lo and behold it shot to 65 cents per share and I said, this is too good to be true…..and sold it for $111% profit. That’s not the quick 27000 times profit that they promised but when one checks how many years some of those big moves take, and add that to my 81 years, I suspected I would not be around when it happened. Someone please watch ILIKF and if it goes to a 27000% profit, please don’t tell my grandchildren. I almost kept the first 1000 shares as a freebee just in case. Remember, he who can laugh at himself will forever be entertained.

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Atil Nozarab
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June 17, 2020 3:57 am
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Hahaha! I think you were better off by securing your profits as most possibly as a result, you’d slept better. Nonetheless, your grandchildren would have had the luxury of time to wait for this company’s growth, potential bigger moves and the much touted 2700% profit. It pays to start them young.

bill myers
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bill myers
August 15, 2020 5:02 pm
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Join the discussion…that’s why johnny carson was the greatest comedian he could laugh at himself

Karl Welsch
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Karl Welsch
December 29, 2019 12:07 pm

Another company this could be is Zap&Go of Oxford/London UK, which I believe is a privately held company.

Doc
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December 30, 2019 12:47 pm

It is not just faster charging. Recycling batteries would have to go hand in hand to make extensive use of solar energy packed in batteries. The material would need to hold charge for extended period. First revolution would come inside the house and not on the road. Battery banks would have to be sized compact to fit into average homes. The main dilemma inside the house is use of DC. Conversion is anti-catalyst. But until commercially viable batteries are developed that does not need any annual maintenance like TV set, the TCO should decide the commercial viability of this change.

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ronwill
April 18, 2020 6:01 pm

There is also QuantumScape. But it is still private.
http://www.quantumscape.com/
Matt mentions the company holds several patents. These are QuantumScape’s.
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/quantumscape-corporation
A way to get pre IPO shares? Anyone familiar with Equityzen?
https://equityzen.com/company/quantumscape/

“Volkswagen is taking a seat on QuantumScape’s board of directors and together they say they plan to have a production-ready solid-state battery by 2025.”
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/06/22/quantumscape-electric-battery-funding-vw.html

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Arlete
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May 9, 2020 5:34 pm

There is a company called Innova Step LLC, who is developing a ecommerce platform connected to all the global marketplaces in the world from where you can add 1 product and start selling it worldwide. This is the future..! now! its a private company owned by two garage guys working on progamming since three years ago… connected to Linio, Mercado Libre, Amazon, Jumia, PatPat, Wish, etc etc and also through their own http://www.b-partgadgets.com web site which has the required structure to operate with companies incorporated in USA and China with their own banck accounts working, logistics partner etc etc this is ther real future for the brick and mortal retailers to expand their business, investors, etc.

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hai nguyen
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hai nguyen
June 19, 2020 1:17 am
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How do I invest in them? thanks.

Maurice
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May 18, 2020 3:51 pm

Nice try, but you are wrong. I bought the research, the stocks are TDK Corporation and Murata Manufacturing.

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only6greens
June 22, 2020 4:39 pm
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I bought ilika on the basis of travis original research it was on and off all last year bit then I bought again after the covid debacle and now I’m up 150% with a larger stake so good work travis ,ill look up the others tomorrow

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Jocko
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June 17, 2020 10:53 am

I didn’t see anyone post this question, so I will ask the glaringly obvious one –

Is there not one investor in this group that can’t rub two pennies together and come up with the $49 to “invest” in the McCall hot tip and share with the rest here?

Would that be against everything that this group stands for? The guessing game? What do you have to lose, $49 dollars?

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MrsDianne Kirkwood
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MrsDianne Kirkwood
October 19, 2020 12:05 am
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Well Jocko, I for one am a small investor who is playing catchup for our retirement, so the info is invaluable to me, I know now to spend a small amount on this one as I need short term lucrative stocks right now and I find it irritating that so many of the guys affiliated with Oxford Club want me to pay them for their info without giving me the stock numbers. So it’s been like five great guys, but I don’t want to buy into everyone of those guys research and tips to get it.

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AL Tweedie
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June 22, 2020 8:32 am

I think the actual KEY is Goodenough, himself. He was the one who found and originally patented the original Lithium-Ion Battery concept. And he has allegedly just recently found and patented a new version of a specially designed “Glass Based Battery with a new electrode system that will not cause fires or “blow-ups”. It’s also alluded to by him that the charging will take very little time (about 60-90 seconds) to fully charge and will last many more charges (100 to 1000+) then current Lithium-Ion batteries. The Key here is who has he or is he selling the rights to these new patents of his?
LMK if you find that out, PLEASE! And I think the Largest Auto Group who is interested is Volkswagen with it’s large Group of companies it owns or has interests in, not Toyota (they would be second on that list). Let me Know Please if you find the end source of Goodenough’s new Patents.

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SANDY MCCARTY
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June 22, 2020 12:49 pm
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AL…Take a look at Broadbit

I think the company that will be the big winner is Broadbit, launched in Finland in January 2013, they are using Goodenough process. I believe they are still a private company the last time I checked.

Sandy McCarty
Sandy McCarty
July 23, 2020 5:10 pm
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Beginning in 1996, Zaghib says, Goodenough and Hydro-Québec struck up a partnership to commercialize this lithium battery. Licensees of this technology include the now Chinese-owned A123 and the Japanese battery company Murata Manufacturing

Hydro-Québec and The University of Texas at Austin signed an agreement for the transfer to Hydro-Québec of patents co-invented by Dr. John B. Goodenough, a professor at The University of Texas at Austin and the 2019 Nobel Laureate in chemistry and Dr. Maria Helena Braga, an associate professor at the University of Porto, Portugal.

These patents relate to a new type of electrolyte to be used in solid-state lithium batteries, which Hydro-Québec’s team of researchers will integrate into a battery with the goal of bringing it to the commercialization stage.

The relationship between The University of Texas at Austin and Hydro-Québec has been long-standing and fruitful; he two institutions have been collaborating for 25 years.

Previous agreements have allowed Hydro-Québec to bring previous University of Texas at Austin patents to the licensing stage and helped bring to market battery innovations that are now used all over the world in a wide range of electronic products.

The partnership with Hydro-Québec has provided the critical technology development needed for commercial production of intellectual property generated at The University of Texas at Austin.

—Dr. Goodenough
Lithium-ion batteries, an invention largely credited to the work of Dr. Goodenough, are the most common type of battery used in electronics and electric vehicles today. Solid-state batteries are considered a safer alternative to present-day lithium-ion batteries, as they do not use flammable liquid electrolytes. In addition, they have a high energy density and are long-lasting, light and much cheaper, making them ideal for the electric transportation market. This technology may be the key to both a greater driving range and greater safety, helping to secure the future of electric vehicle batteries.

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July 30, 2020 5:21 pm
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This is weird, why would Hydro Quebec, a crown corp. be developing batteries for the market?

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July 31, 2020 1:43 pm
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Hydro Quebec generates most of its electric power using the energy of water falling through generators at its dam locations. However, it is a responsible company looking to harness both solar and wind energy for locations far from its dam locations. Wind and solar are not continuous like hydro power, therefore batteries are a method to store electric power during the dark and windless conditions.

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Diane Foster
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June 23, 2020 6:30 pm

I was also very interested in Glass Battery Tech. Turns out China sounds like it will be the leader. Set to start production in 2 years. 2 companies. BYD company and Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. (CATL) neither of which are sold on any stock market. The Chinese government is funding these companies. So we outsiders will not be able to profit. Also GM might be seeking partnership with China nothing final at this point.

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June 24, 2020 11:32 am

Is there a battery tech fund we can invest in? so no matter who “wins”, likely multiple players, we win.

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Ann
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June 24, 2020 4:59 pm
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Take a peak at Global X Lithium & Battery Tech ETF.
Ticker symbol is LIT
Not cheap but, in my totally unprofessional opinion, might be an okay buy under $35 to hold until the “battery wars” are over. Five to ten years? Who knows?

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July 22, 2020 4:02 pm
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—AMERICAN?

gum120gru
gum120gru
September 22, 2020 10:01 am
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Thank you, Ann

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Karl Welsch
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Karl Welsch
July 7, 2020 1:57 pm

Everything I see points to John Goodenough teaming up with Hydro-Quebec to develop and sell these batteries. They already have deals with Mercedes and many other companies. I just haven’t figured out a way to invest in this, since it does not appear to have stock. Anyone else know?

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July 12, 2020 8:36 am

In Response to how you get a piece of the action in new tech without risk individual company failure?.. PROSUS are a multi £ Billion ETF fund (one of the world’s largest) invested in 75 of the world’s brightest tech companies so you get all the exposure with less of the risk, check them out..

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greenstreet
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July 16, 2020 7:10 am

A belated thanks. Travis. I did buy and today I sold 30% of my shares which may be a dumb move but it means that I have got my original money/bet back and I will let the other 70% run for a while.

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Dave S.
Dave S.
August 8, 2020 3:21 pm

Btw, Tesla acquired Maxwell Technologies (MXWL) on May 16, 2019.

Don Ross
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August 25, 2020 11:34 pm

If you can get 1,000 miles on a charge on this type batttery — what will be the cost to “recharge” the battery or do you have to buy a new one every 1,000 miles?

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MrsDianne Kirkwood
October 19, 2020 12:13 am
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It’s my understanding that the prototype battery recharges ea 1,000 miles for about 150 yrs

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Gary Judy
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September 16, 2020 12:39 am

Here is a play on the subject at hand and a news article on it. Symbol KCAC Kensington Capital Acquisition Continues Gains After QuantumScape Deal
10:05 am ET September 4, 2020 (Dow Jones) Print
By Michael Dabaie

Special purpose acquisition company Kensington Capital Acquisition Corp. shares continued gains Friday morning, rising 21% to $22.66.

QuantumScape Corp., a developer of solid-state lithium-metal batteries for use in electric vehicles, and Kensington agreed to a business combination that would result in QuantumScape becoming a publicly listed company.

On closing the deal, the combined company will be named QuantumScape and is expected to remain listed on the NYSE and trade under the new ticker symbol “QS.”

QuantumScape said it believes the proceeds from this transaction will fully fund the company through the start of production via its joint venture with the Volkswagen AG.

The business combination values QuantumScape at an implied $3.3 billion pro forma enterprise value, the companies said.

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October 9, 2020 7:02 pm

Loved all you say. I found on my own the Ionic Materials after reading McCall. Thx for your insight

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October 22, 2020 2:21 am

Thanks for your research. I am new at stock buying,,and I am doing pretty good on my own. These/guys who tease you for 2 hours, only to you having to by teirplans, news letters ECT. I have been feeling that these people have some connection with the companies that they are passing on to investors. Like maybe they have the big name and been on Wall Street, and maybe own a lot of stock in the companies touted. I don’t fall for this, but do find it interesting to hear about new possiblies and go research like do you. Since January of 2020 I have doubled mymoney..not bad I think. Just wish I could have baught more of each stock I own. Anyway, thank you..you are stealing me right.

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LUTHER W FORTINBERRY
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October 23, 2020 5:03 pm

what is the name of the stock symbol for the quantum glass battery

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