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Alex Green’s “Hidden AI stock is secret key to ChatGPT (Trades for less than $5)”

Oxford Club says their $4 "Single Stock Retirement Play" that's trading under a "Secret Name" should be "The Cornerstone of Your Portfolio" -- so what is it? Answers below...

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, August 2, 2023


The first version of this article was originally published on July 16, 2018, but questions continue to pile in and new ads this week indicate that it’s still being pitched as a “one stock retirement plan” … so today it gets a full update. The ad has gone through some relatively minor changes over the past five years, changing the “catalyst” event and testing out new headlines, and the date for the latest version is now noted as January 2022, but I’ve updated this article as of August, 2023.

Alexander Green at the Oxford Club has (another) ad out for his “single stock retirement plan” that’s sending a ton of questions our way — and you can see why. He’s promoting this one stock as being able to deliver a “multimillion-dollar retirement”, and there are obviously huge numbers of us holding out hope that there’s a way to “save” the retirement we know we’re not financially prepared for.

The latest email introducing the ad is trying to catch a piece of the AI wave, even though the ad itself hasn’t been updated — this is what that email says:

“This is what is so interesting about this stock…

“The company is seeing surging sales on the technology needed to run powerful language models like ChatGPT.

“The Chairman of the company says ‘More and more people are using ChatGPT. We expect that in the second half of this year there may be a three digit increase.’

“But that is just a tiny fraction of what this secret company is doing…

“Which is why this stock picking legend went on stage to talk about it, while its still less than $5.”

And in a different email:

“We have uncovered perhaps the most unusual AI stock we’ve ever seen.

“It’s expected to see massive revenue this year – $215 billion.

“The company holds over 29,000 patents in the U.S.

“It pays an enormous dividend.

“And yet…

“It’s ultra-cheap – less than $5.”

We’ll get into that (limited) ChatGPT connection in a minute, but first let’s run through the ad — they’ve called it a “$5 stock” and a “$4 stock” pretty much interchangeably over the years, trying to roughly match reality, but the ad itself still says $4 these days.

Here’s a little taste:

“I’m going to show you how a modest investment in a single $4 stock could generate a multimillion-dollar dream retirement in the coming years.

“I call it the ‘Single-Stock Retirement Plan.’

“Some might find the idea of retiring on one stock outlandish, yet many thousands of Americans have already done it.

“In fact, as you’re about to see, the 20 wealthiest men and women in America today made their fortunes thanks largely to a single stock.”

And he says that if you’re going to retire on one stock like those wealthy men and women did (though they mostly built businesses, they didn’t invest passively in one stock), Green says it has to be “the perfect stock.”

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He’s even got a checklist for what “perfect” looks like when you’re seeking this “dream stock” for a one-stock retirement… which is when the clues start to drop in about what stock he’s pitching:

“Leader in cutting-edge technology….

“products used by billions of customers…

“profit margins protected [patents, trademarks, etc.]…

“hundreds of billions of dollars in future sales and profits… contractually guaranteed…

“pay an enormous dividend.”

And he says this “perfect” stock should have catalysts — upcoming announcements that could drive the share price — and that the “one key element” is that the stock must be “undiscovered.” And that it should “trade for a just a few dollars a share.”

The per share business is silly, of course, but investors do get hung up on the idea of paying a low per-share price as a prerequisite for huge future gains. Different countries and different eras have different expectations for “per share” pricing — some large Australian companies trade at what we would think of in the US as “penny stock” prices, for example, and it used to be that most large US companies would aggressively manage their share price, using stock splits, to keep it in the $40-100 range. The market cap and the valuation of the company are what matters most, the price per share is mostly irrelevant.

But anwyay, that’s all a lead-up to this stock that Alexander Green is teasing… what other clues do we get? From the ad:

“I only recently uncovered it.

“And if you move quickly – before an upcoming announcement set for August 20 – this $3 stock could hand you the kind of carefree retirement most people only dream about.”

And then some specifics…

“The company has inked deals with Cisco, Microsoft, Intel, Sharp, IBM, Hewlett Packard, Nintendo, Sony, Nokia and Apple…

“In total, I expect it to receive more than $35.3 BILLION from these partnerships alone….

“According to data from Intellectual Property Watchdog, the firm has quietly amassed one of the largest tech patent libraries of any company in the world.

It has 36,241 patents inside the United States and 108,749 globally.

You can see why the world’s most famed tech companies are all signing blockbuster deals with this little-known firm trading for $4.”

And it sounds like this is not a small company, despite that $3 share price…

“… revenue hit a new record last year and is expected to surge even more in the year ahead.

And I expect the company to hit at least $215 billion in annual sales this year.

“The company pays a big dividend too… 189% bigger than the S&P 500 average.”

I know, I’m still keeping that secret (don’t worry, the answer is coming in a few paragraphs), but the update is that the dividend is still above average, though not as dramatically so, as it was cut in 2019 and only recently was raised to recover to close to that level. The current trailing revenue is just a whisker under $220 billion now, so the average revenue growth rate over the past five years is now down to about 5%.

Why is this stock “unknown?” Green says it “does not trade in a normal way” and it’s not on a US exchange… and, far more mysteriously, that it “literally trades under a secret name.”

So that’s enough to get our answer, I bet, but let’s throw a couple other clues into the Thinkolator…

“”A major multibillion-dollar deal that involves both Apple and Donald Trump is about to bring this secret company into the mainstream….”

That was the spiel back in 2018. By 2020, it had morphed a bit to add some specifics about this company’s US presence, as they were building some assembly plants (though they never really followed through on the big promised factory they were promising in Wisconsin to woo President Trump, that project shrunk dramatically).

And by last year, with this new ad dated January 2022, Alex Green had shifted so that the catalyst is now the Apple Car — here’s how he puts it:

“Nothing is as long-awaited as the Apple Car, which the company has secretly been working on under the title “Project Titan” for many years now.

“But here’s what makes this a big opportunity for the $4 stock I’m telling you about.

“Apple plans to design these cars, but then work with other companies to actually produce them.

Bloomberg has called Apple’s EV the “Ultimate Prize” for the company that partners with Apple on it… because we are talking about the potential for billions of dollars in orders.

“And it looks like the $4 stock I’m telling you about today might just be the company to do it.

“Remember, this $4 stock already does billions of dollars in business with Apple on an annual basis.

“They are big-time partners.

“There is a lot of trust there.

“And this next step in their partnership… the possibility of this company landing the contract to actually build Apple cars… is as tantalizing as any stock catalyst I’ve seen in years.”

Any other clues?

“… the $4 stock I’m talking about had very humble beginnings.

“It was started by the blue-collar son of a career police officer….

“… he scrounged together $7,500 in seed money and went to work.

“He founded a tech company, but a very different kind…

“He realized that he probably couldn’t compete directly with the Apple, Amazon, Samsung and Google of the world.

“But if he could quietly do business with these tech giants, he just might turn his own venture into a successful company.”

He started out building low-tech computer hardware — stuff like the chassis for a desktop computer — and then aggressively expanded to build and provide components for all kinds of tech products. Green cites a few recent contract examples:

“His company has signed an agreement to build hundreds of thousands of devices for Amazon’s Fire TV streaming line.

“It also recently announced that it will be manufacturing Google’s flagship Pixel 6 phone in a partnership that includes Samsung as well.

“It has a deal in place to build GameCubes and Switches for Nintendo.

“It builds PlayStation 4s for Sony.

“It has a deal with Intel to build CPUs and computer cooling systems..”

And a dozen others, components for Amazon and Nokia and Acer and Nintendo and Apple. All those clues are essentially the same as they were four years ago, with minor updates (the next Google Pixel phone will be the Pixel 8, just to note that they’re a couple years out of date on that clue now).

So who is it?

This is, as several readers have already figured out and as Alex has been teasing in very similar ads for almost five years now, the Taiwanese company Foxconn, known for playing a major role in assembling Apple’s iPhones but also a big supplier to most of the world’s gadget makers. Foxconn is the world’s largest contract manufacturer and one of the largest private employers in China (if not the largest), and is one of the largest tech companies in the world (at least on a revenue basis).

And the “secret name?” Foxconn is the more widely-known name of the company, adopted when they were trying to get more international sales around 1980, and its the name you’ll see most articles use (as when they discuss the massive “Foxconn City” in Shenzhen, which has more than 200,000 workers), but the actual name under which it was founded (in 1974) is Hon Hai Precision Industry, and it’s still listed under that name in Taiwan. You can see the company’s own description of itself on their website here.

So yes, I suppose it’s kinda “secret” that Foxconn, the contract manufacturer that most tech investors have heard of, is actually Hon Hai — though certainly all of the institutional investors who own the lion’s share of this large cap stock are obviously aware.

And yes, it’s technically a $3-4ish stock, though that requires some currency translation — it trades in Taiwan at ticker 2317, and was recently priced at T$110 in New Taiwan Dollars (it was T$82.80 when we first covered the stock in 2018), which in US$ would be $3.65 today (the exchange rate has fluctuated over the years, but hasn’t changed all that dramatically).

It’s not particularly difficult to trade the stock in the US — there is an ADR representing the Taiwanese shares for US investors, it trades OTC at HNHPF (sometimes has been HNHPD, when it’s trading ex dividend), with each US OTC share equaling two shares in Taiwan. There are similar depository receipts trading in London at HHPD, also representing two Taiwanese shares each. The overwhelming majority of trading volume is usually in Taiwan, as you might imagine, so that’s where the “fair” price is set, but the London and NY trading tends to be very close to that price most of the time, despite the lower volume.

So if you want to buy in the US, technically you’re paying $7 or so per ADR today (or ~$6 back in 2018)… but each ADR represents two shares, so I suppose you can say it’s “secretly” a $3 or $4 stock.

All that mystery and intrigue is beside the point, though — the question is, do you want to own a piece of this gigantic electronics manufacturing company? Here’s what I can tell you about it:

It’s a big company, the market cap is just under US$50 billion… so it’s not likely to rise 1,000% over the next decade, and it’s not a small cap rising star, even though the share price looks fairly low to those of us who are accustomed to US tech companies who let their per-share prices rise into the thousands sometimes. Hon Hai is the second largest stock in Taiwan, trailing only the massive Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM).

Hon Hai/Foxconn has usually been priced at a steep discount to the broader market, and has underperformed the broader market for a very long time. The shares trade at about 12X trailing earnings and 1X book value right now, with a price/sales of only 0.25, and the dividend is very high — it’s 5% on a trailing basis now, though the payout varies pretty widely (they pay out only once per year, in August).

That relatively high dividend hasn’t helped the stock much, I’m afraid, it has almost always traded at pretty close to that valuation (the PE has ranged from 8-12 over the past decade), and has not been able to generate any meaningful share price growth for a long time. Even if you bought at close to the bottom of the market (for Hon Hai, at least) in November of 2008, you would have gains of only 200% over 15 years, including dividends… far short of the 700%+ return of the S&P 500 over that time. And almost 8,000% for Apple, Foxconn’s most important customer, or 2,500% for Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM). Here’s what that looks like on a chart, for the visual learners among you — that’s Hon Hai in purple at the bottom, and the S&P 500 in orange:

In case you’re curious, here’s that same chart for just the five years or so since the Oxford Club folks started pitching this as a “single stock retirement plan” — Hon Hai (in purple) is now trailing the broader market’s returns (orange) by “only” about 45 percentage points at the moment, with still big gaps to the performance of TSM and AAPL:

Which does serve, at least, as a helpful start to a thought exercise about who profits from hit products — is it the designers, the developers, or the companies who sell them parts and assemble the actual gadgets? Lots of things go into that, and there are plenty of growing and profitable component makers, and Foxconn has certainly made a profit most of the time over the years, but the two things that seem to me have the most impact on compounding long-term growth in the sector are sustainable brands and some measure of uniqueness.

Suppliers can do very well when their product or chip or whatever is better than the competition, but they also have to keep that edge… or make the component an in-demand brand or a near monopoly, as Intel did 40 years ago with their “Intel Inside” branding campaigns for chips and their tight partnership with Microsoft.

That’s what I’d look for when researching Foxconn… where do they have the opportunity to become more than an anonymous assembler? What’s keeping them from having to compete on price? Perhaps the relatively low valuation is a buying opportunity — but the valuation has always been relatively low, and is actually on the high side right now, historically speaking… and Foxconn shareholders have failed to really benefit from sales growth or new businesses or booming iPhone sales for a very long time, trade war or no trade war, COVID or no COVID.

That leads me to think there are some structural problems behind their relatively weak performance. Is that going to change if they get the contract to assemble an Apple Car? The closest thing we have to an “outsourcing manufacturer” for automobiles in the public markets right now is Magna International (MGA), and that stock also trades at about 12X forward earnings, so it’s not like investors are habitually lusting after these kinds of opportunities.

The stock does also carry some political and regulatory risk, or at least “headline risk” because of the frequent complaints and lawsuits about worker treatment at its many gigantic factories around the world. We all remember the stories about suicides by Apple iPhone workers several years ago, and those were mostly Foxconn stories about the pressure, secrecy, long working hours and employee stress in Shenzhen, but similar smaller-scale stories seem to pop up with some frequency.

Foxconn gets lumped in as the “iPhone maker” by most investors, so the share price tends to react to the iPhone cycle as predictions of huge sales volume send the stock climbing and slower sales, like we’ve seen recently, help to pressure the stock… the company is obviously far more than “just” Apple’s main manufacturing partner, though I don’t know if that will help to smooth things or create a real growth trend for the stock.

They’ve been aggressively expanding into new businesses and buying up brands and technologies for a long time… and yet, adding more second-tier brands and low-margin businesses in very competitive sectors hasn’t really given them better profitability. My impression is that the pressure of the low-margin contract manufacturing business, where companies like Apple push them to get costs lower and lower each year, seems to have kept them from showing any real sustainable earnings growth on the back of the growth in the business… so if Alexander Green ends up being right about this being a “one stock retirement” idea, it will likely be because Foxconn starts to get a little more leverage over the actual brands whose products they make, giving them a chance to increase margins… or because they finally move up the “value added” chain a bit, as they’ve been trying to do with their push into the automotive business. I see no sign of that happening in any real way over the five years that Green has been pitching this as the “one stock retirement” idea — their gross margins are still about 6% and their net profit margin about 2%, pretty much the same as they were in 2018.

And that massive US investment? It hasn’t really panned out. The centerpiece of that plan was a big display factory in Wisconsin that Foxconn agreed to build, in high-profile handshake ceremonies with then-President Trump, with promises of 13,000 new jobs and a renaissance in US high-tech manufacturing, and that plan seemed pretty snakebitten from the beginning. There is still a Wisconsin project for Foxconn underway, but it’s much smaller now, with hopes for maybe 1,500 jobs (there’s an interesting story here about how it all went wrong, if you’re curious). Maybe the latest push to “onshore” more technology manufacturing will mean yet more incentives to lure Foxconn to build facilities elsewhere in the US, we’ll see, but so far it’s not a meaningful factor for Foxconn’s earnings. What was touted as a $10 billion investment in factories by Foxconn was downgraded to an investment commitment of about $672 million in 2021.

More recently, Foxconn has signaled that they plan to enter the electric vehicle business, competing with longtime auto industry outsourcers like Magna International (MGA). The highest-profile part of that was purchasing the former GM plant in Lordstown, Ohio that Lordstown Motors had previously bought for its electric pickup truck project — it’s essentially an outsourcing deal, Foxconn is buying the factory and will be contract-manufacturing the pickup truck for Lordstown Motors, and hoping to also manufacture electric vehicles for other companies who don’t have the manufacturing expertise. It sounded like a desperate ploy from an EV maker who had gotten in over its head, and Foxconn, unlike Lordstown, does have the resources to invest in building up the plant. Who knows, maybe they’ll be able to translate their skills to this new industry and get a new avenue for growth.

There is some potential for slightly better margins in the auto assembly business, Magna often has a 4-5% profit margin, versus 2-3% for Foxconn, but I wouldn’t count on Foxconn being great at this new business out of the gate. As they announced when they unveiled some prototype designs in 2021 (assembled by someone else), “Our biggest challenge is we don’t know how to make cars.”

I’m sure they can learn, but I’d hesitate to bet a lot on them being really good at it anytime soon. Still, if they get a high-profile deal with Apple, it might easily bump up Hon Hai’s share price — people love an exciting story, and the Apple Car would be a big deal. I’m a little skeptical about ever seeing an Apple Car, having been promised one for more than a decade now, but perhaps it will eventually lead to something.

And as to the “ChatGPT” connection? That’s pretty tenuous — basically, the argument is that because the growth of AI will lead to more demand for servers and more equipment in data centers, that FoxConn will be assembling a lot of those boxes and will therefore have big growth in that area.

Well, maybe. They are seeing rising demand for servers, so that’s true… but that’s a bright spot in a fairly tepid business right now. According to Reuters, back in May

“Foxconn Chairman Liu Young-way told the company’s annual shareholders meeting the firm remained cautious about this year due to monetary policy tightening, geopolitical tensions and uncertainty over inflation, but servers were a bright spot due to surging interest in AI.

‘More and more people are using ChatGPT,’ he said. ‘You can see the market for AI servers will rise much faster than expected. We expect that in the second half of this year there may be a three digit increase.’

“The Taiwanese company has a 40% global market share for servers and aims to further increase that, Liu added.”

According to that same Reuters update, Foxconn’s “cloud and network” segment, which includes their server assembly business, was 22% of revenue in their first quarter, and though that was a bright spot it was also likely to remain flat in the second quarter (they should report second quarter earnings next week, that report was on August 10 last year). At the time of their first quarter update they were still expecting “flat” full year earnings, due to continuing soft demand for consumer electronics relative to the pandemic peak (and inventory gluts that remain in some of those products). They’re still optimistic that more car companies, particularly new EV companies, will come to Foxconn for contract manufacturing and help them build up that business, and they’re also expanding their production capacity for batteries and electric vehicles in China, but the startup at Lordstown has been slow (they’re making some autonomous tractors right now, but plan to launch their “Model C” EV platform late this year). They’re doing a lot of cool things, including investing in satellite development, metaverse applications in their factories, and partnerships for automotove software and semiconductors, but none of it is currently creating any margin improvement or meaningful revenue growth.

Things may pick up with server demand, we could get a surprise 10% revenue boost this year if server demand really continues to go ballistic because of AI and they get a 100% increase in that business… but since they’re also saying that they expect 2023 to be a pretty flat year, I assume that assembling servers is not a particularly high-margin business. Which means their earnings, for the foreseeable future, will probably continue to be determined by how many iPhones and similar consumer electronics are sold.

I have a hard time predicting huge success for Foxconn in general, particularly because they’ve been in this rut of relatively slow growth and low (often declining) margins for a long time, but it’s certainly possible, and they are trying to expand into more businesses, particularly EV assembly. You may well take my skepticism with, well, a bit of skepticism… maybe the “one stock retirement” hype from the Oxford Club and my skepticism can balance out a bit, and then you can go into your analysis fresh and unbiased and make your own call.

It’s definitely a cheap stock, so you’ve at least got that going for you… But there’s no rush, it’s been a cheap stock almost all the time for close to 15 years now, so the odds are pretty good that you’ve got time to think it over.

So please do go forth, researchify for yourself, and let us know what you think about Hon Hai and its prospects for the next few decades. Just use the friendly little comment box below… and thanks for reading! I’ve left all the old comments attached below from our past updates to this story since 2018, to provide some perspective.

Disclosure: Of the companies mentioned above, I own shares of Amazon and Google parent Alphabet, as covered in my Real Money Portfolio. I will not trade in any covered stock for at least three days, per Stock Gumshoe’s trading rules.

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Diane Lindner
Diane Lindner
July 16, 2018 12:50 pm

So while you can apparently buy this stock either through an international trading desk (it’s listed as 2317 TT on the Taiwanese market) or as HNHPF on our OTC market, I tried buying a small quantity today on Schwab, and was unsuccessful. It’s pretty odd: they list the OTC ticker, give you the chart and everything else, but if you put in a buy order they then tell you there is no such stock or ADR. BTW, the reason Green gives for his belief that it will soon surge is that, since it’s planning on building several US manufacturing sites, it will also go for a listing on a US stock exchange, which would then make it “visible” for US traders.

Just another note: Green also has another come-on for what he calls a 10% CD, which turns out to be an Avon 2023 bond that is no longer available.

Hmmmm……….

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Chris
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Chris
July 17, 2018 1:17 am
Reply to  Diane Lindner

FYI – I’ve had similar experiences with Schwab once or twice, but the problems were quickly resolved with a call to their help desk. They didn’t even charge a commission once they placed the trade.

The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 11:22 am
Reply to  Chris

Hi Chris,
Thank you for your input. We have come to notice that many investors find themselves lost or confused when trying to navigate Schwabs online platform. We strongly suggest calling-in to their client services before throwing in the towel, it can make a world of a difference.
Thank you again for your feedback.
Sincerely,
Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

bloomingrose
October 2, 2018 10:28 am

I find Charles Schwab live desk to be very helpful. I can get in there in about 5 minutes, and will get a step-by-step directions to my question.

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Neil Andrews
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Neil Andrews
June 13, 2019 9:02 pm
Reply to  Chris

I have had good experiences with Schwab as well. Whenever there is a problem on-line, a call has always been able to resolve the issue quickly.
Concerning the ad, as soon as they said the stock sells for only $3 a share, I knew it was a scam. Stock price level means nothing by itself. Apple could do a stock split and drop their price down to $3 if they wanted to. Of course they would not do it. Neither would any company.

The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 10:47 am
Reply to  Diane Lindner

Hello Diane,

Thank you for your feedback and engagement within our services. It is always nice to see our members putting forth their own personal research toward our recommendations and reports.
In Alex Green’s report, “The Single-Stock Retirement Plan,” it outlines specifically that you will need a minimum investment of $3,000 for the Taiwanese version of the stock. Any less, and you cannot transact.
We push heavily for members to do this over the OTC version. And if someone puts in an order for the stock overseas, it will look unfilled until the Taiwanese market opens.
Many of this is all interface confusion for our members. Which is why we recommend calling in and talking to the international trading desk to place orders and ensure clarification. We have spoken with Schwab numerous times to confirm this. The phone conversation is key, or you will most-likely get confused on the website.
As for the Avon bond in the 10% CD Report, it is available still. We were able to access it on our TDAmeritrade account.
Steve McDonald frequently emphasizes that some brokers will not have inventory of certain bonds, therefore you will need to contact other brokers to be sure. That could be the case here, or members may not be looking up the bonds in the Fixed Income section.
We find that is the confusion at times.
If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate reaching out to our Trading Specialists or Member Services Team for assistance.
Member Services – 866.237.0436
Trading Specialists – 888.570.9830
Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

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TMS
August 11, 2018 9:43 pm
Reply to  Diane Lindner

The reason you couldn’t when you tried to buy a small quantity on Schwab is because it’s not available as an online trade; you need to go through Schwab’s international desks. It involves currency exchange. And then too, these 2317 TT stocks are sold in multiples of a thousand. The international department can walk you through all of this. Many people won’t bother; there is a currency exchange fee, and then Schwab has its own fee of $100. There are the over-the-counter options, other brokers, etc. but Schwab’s services are probably very fairly priced (and even free in Chris’s case! : )

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Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 2:32 pm
Reply to  Diane Lindner

Hi Diane & thanks for the share. Always good to hear of the experience of others.
I was able to pick up shares of HNHPF in my TDameritrade brokerage account.

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John1
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John1
September 26, 2018 7:13 am
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Me too….2K shares.

wayne holmes
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wayne holmes
March 7, 2021 7:08 pm
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I read somewhere to make sure you get 2317 TT ???

bloomingrose
October 2, 2018 10:30 am
Reply to  Loy Lum

Any movement up or down yet?

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nmartinsd
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nmartinsd
October 20, 2018 8:32 pm
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Thanks for sharing.,….I will look in t0 it on Mon.

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Scott
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Scott
October 29, 2018 6:36 am
Reply to  Diane Lindner

I’m guessing you know by now the U.S. ticker symbol for Hon Hai (Foxconn) is HNHAF . I bought shares through Fidelity.

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Andy
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November 20, 2019 1:42 pm
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Hi Scott,
Same here. I purchased my shares (2000) through Schwab (their Int’l Desk assisted me).

E.T.
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E.T.
April 3, 2020 2:04 pm
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Scott u are confused here. Once u called “ Hnhaf. ” then later call it “HNHPF”
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wayne holmes
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wayne holmes
March 7, 2021 7:12 pm
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who wouldn’t be confused with all the different ticker for this stock. The instructions from Oxford says 2317 TT

Jon
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Jon
July 16, 2018 1:04 pm

Fascinating, this reads/sounds a lot like Elon Musk of TESLA has adopted (Foxxcon’s) business Modell. Mind, ASSEMBLERS have a history of failing in the longish run .. first slowly, then suddenly.

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frank_n_steyn
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July 19, 2018 3:35 pm
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“first slowly, then suddenly”…isn’t that a Hemingway quote?

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The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 12:25 pm
Reply to  Jon

Hi Jon,

Thank you for your feedback. Foxconn will continue to invest in the research and development of new products, technologies and applications. They have charted a long-term research direction in key growth areas across the information technology sector, including such areas as telecommunications, consumer electronics, robotics and automation, optoelectronics and precision machinery, among others. Foxconn has established agile, broad-based production capabilities from components, modules, and product assembly to integrated services. With 5G technology becoming a reality in the near future, the potential for greater innovation and the development of business opportunities are limitless.

True to their vision: “enhancing people’s lives,” Foxconn will endeavor to provide solutions, products and services, and drive strong synergy within the ICT ecosystem. They intend for this to support their goal of helping people leverage technology throughout all aspects of their lives. Foxconn will continue to combine their expertise in hardware and software, mapping these against gaps and opportunities across the technology value-chain, to build a holistic, 360 degree framework for how they serve customers and consumers.

For any further information, please don’t hesitate to reach out to mailbag@oxfordclub.com.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

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Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 3:03 pm
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Tesla is a vertically integrated energy company harvesting solar energy via its solar roof tiles, storing the electricity in its PowerWall & container size battery packs for use after sundown to charge EV batteries & household use during the day & night, off-grid if the user can. The container size battery packs are in use in South Australia as backup for the grid when demand exceeds utility supply capacity.

This is not related to the Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd. There are wild speculations about Tesla & its CEO, which seem to lead to far-fetched “connections” in the minds of some readers.

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July 16, 2018 1:43 pm

James Dyson, one of the UK’s most successful entrepreneurs, says that the money is in ideas, R&D, and patents. I believe he contracts out most of what he calls “assembly”. So that’s a negative.
But I’m intrigued by all those patents that Foxconn claims to have. Anyone know if they have done R&D into manufacturing techniques? Will this give them an edge in the future? If Foxconn owns the IP for techniques and machines to make stuff in cheaper ways does this give them an edge in the future? I am aware they have invested hugely in robotics (that, I believe, is what will run the Wisconsin plant, not Trump’s blue collar voters). Do they have any robotics patents?
Anyone know any more?

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advantedges
July 21, 2018 3:43 pm
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Why not spend time on determining the stock symbol for FoxConn?

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Smartiecandies
September 1, 2018 6:39 pm
Reply to  advantedges

HNHPF over the counter, US ticker for the Tiawanese company Foxconn, Hon Hai

Jeff Furlong
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September 3, 2018 9:09 pm
Reply to  Smartiecandies

2317tt on TSE use an international broker

Ronnie Silva
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Ronnie Silva
September 21, 2018 12:28 pm
Reply to  Smartiecandies

Try BUYING it underr HNHPF—It won’t happen and I was told it is not an “Actionable Symbol”

John1
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John1
September 26, 2018 7:15 am
Reply to  Ronnie Silva

TD Ameritrade….HNHPF….2K shares….it went right thru……

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The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 12:16 pm
Reply to  goingloco

Hello,

Thank you for your engagement surrounding our services.
Foxconn’s ‘main’ technology areas are electrically-conductive connections, electric digital data processing and printed circuits; casings or constructional details of electric apparatus. With over 69,800 granted patents, Foxconn is a leader in the intellectual property space and one of the top 20 patent holders world-wide. Hon Hai/Foxconn’s competitive advantages stem from the award-winning eCMMS business model and an unique Foxconnian culture. eCMMS stands for e-enabled Components, Modules, Moves and Services. eCMMS is the vertical integrated one stop shopping business model by integrating mechanical, electrical and optical capabilities altogether. It covers solutions ranging from moulding, tooling, mechanical parts, components, modules, system assembly, design, manufacturing, maintenance, logistics … etc. Through eCMMS model, Hon Hai / Foxconn’s Shenzhen campus is not only the world’s largest 3C manufacturing base, but also the shortest supply chain at the same time. Foxconn has many intricate patents in robotics, considering it is a very broad topic.
If you have any additional questions, please don’t hesitate to direct them to: mailbag@oxfordclub.com.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

Jeff Furlong
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September 3, 2018 9:07 pm
Reply to  goingloco

Good question

Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 3:07 pm
Reply to  goingloco

Interesting thinking & questions!

glomerulus
July 16, 2018 1:46 pm

I suppose that you could retire on this one stock if you: 1) buy 500,000 shares now then sell them in a few years and, 2)live in a rusty old trailer. *sigh*, just another bull&%$# teaser.

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The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 12:49 pm
Reply to  glomerulus

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback and concerns.

The Wall Street Price for Foxconn is below both the Main Street Price and the Bargain Price so before Foxconn goes shooting above Main Street Price brackets – we issued this report rating Foxconn as a bargain, Buy.

Apple pays a dividend yielding 1.65 percent. Foxconn paid a cash dividend in the past yielding 5.2 percent along with an additional stock dividend of about 1.3 percent. Do not be fooled by the company name of Hon Hai in Chinese. It is Foxconn Technologies.

How to Invest in Foreign Stocks at Reasonable Cost –

Interactive Brokers is typically our go-to online broker as it enables investing activity on exchanges in 20 countries. For Foxconn, which is listed in its native Taiwan, the only way I could find to trade its stock is through GDRs (global depository receipts) on the LSE (London Stock Exchange), or OTC (highly recommended in our report).

Feel free to direct any further questions or concerns to: mailbag@oxfordclub.com.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

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Robert
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Robert
August 1, 2018 12:58 pm

I bought it through Fidelity Intl Trading desk. Minimum shares are 1,000. So I bought that at $2.76 under symbol HNHPF. They are in my account as HNHAF. No big deal. If I lose a certain percent, then I am selling. I trust Alex Green so I am giving it a shot. Time will tell.

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pds1015
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pds1015
August 3, 2018 6:37 pm
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Thanks, Robert. I tried to buy it this morning online and the trade did not go through. I will go there on Monday and speak with someone in the international trading division.

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dnote
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dnote
August 7, 2018 12:30 pm
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HNHPF the ‘secret’ name of the stock and it registers as HNHAF. That’s weird

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Doyle
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Doyle
September 8, 2018 7:34 pm
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Is HNHPH two shares and HNHAF one share?

Doyle
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Doyle
September 8, 2018 7:38 pm
Reply to  Robert

HNHPF

mari_ana
mari_ana
September 12, 2018 3:05 pm
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I just checked Fidelity and HNHPF is trading at $5.07 per share. It has been trading in the range of $5-$7 in the last 52 weeks.

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Tati
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Tati
September 26, 2018 9:19 pm
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Do I need to be a member of Oxford club to buy the Alex Green’s $3 Single Stock Retirement?

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Naveen Chandar
August 31, 2018 11:54 am

Thanks for this note as I gave a huge sigh of relief after reading it. I use Interactive Brokers and tried to get HNHPF, but wouldnt go through. Finally I bought the HHPD on the London exchange and it came through this morning. I was wondering if I made a mistake as it was not clearly spelled out in the report ( about HHPD), so thanks for this note. It cleared the air for me.

Tati
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Tati
September 26, 2018 9:22 pm

Nikki ….I love to join in but I have no experience with it . I have good feeling with Alex Green. I am going to e mail you and ask the right hand to guide me.

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vivian lewis
July 16, 2018 2:33 pm

the real issue is that both Hon Hai Precision and Foxconn no longer have ADRs so you cannot buy them from a US brokerage account. that is one reason that this is such a perfidious marketing play. presumably some crooked broker will offer you a chance to buy in Taipei at some huge premium once you fall for the offer

The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 12:36 pm
Reply to  vivian lewis

Hello Vivian,

Thank you for providing your concern and insight regarding Foxconn.

To help clarify some of your skepticism; Chinese policymakers have sought to lure leading technology groups to mainland capital markets, after national champions such as Alibaba and Baidu chose New York listings.

Earlier this year, the China Securities Regulatory Commission published a new regulatory framework for the issuance of China Depository Receipts (CDRs). The plan is modelled after the American Depository Receipts (ADR) scheme under which foreign-incorporated groups can trade in the US. 

CDRs will offer a mechanism for groups that are already listed abroad or are ineligible to issue A shares listings under the normal regime to nevertheless achieve a mainland listing.

But China’s securities regulator also tightly controls the pace of mainland IPOs, especially in times of market weakness, to avoid “sucking blood” — a commonly used phrase among China’s domestic traders — out of the secondary market. The Shanghai Composite has fallen 11 per cent since hitting a 13-month high in late January, including a 1.4 per cent fall on Wednesday. 

For any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at mailbag@oxfordclub.com or our Member Services Team at 866.237.0436.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

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Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 4:30 pm
Reply to  vivian lewis

Hi Vivian,
I recently bought shares of HNHPF OTC in my TDameritrade account. This is not in Taipei & I doubt TDameritrade is more crooked than other brokers.

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Charles Ball
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Charles Ball
December 19, 2018 5:40 pm
Reply to  Loy Lum

A very bad choice unless you want to wait 2 or 3 years to see a profit. I lost almost 50 percent including very high fees to buy it thru Fidelity

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coolsoupy
July 16, 2018 2:35 pm

I can’t pick and choose from all the tech so I bought SFTBY and let Son do the investing.

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elkate
elkate
July 17, 2018 10:03 am
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Can anyone clarify ticker SFTBF with a yield of 52%, does that make sense. Also can anyone say what would be the pros and cons about choosing either one.

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Sue Branch
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Sue Branch
July 22, 2018 4:08 pm

Hello Travis….did you read this article.

Why stock traders are dumping Apple supplier Foxconn Industrial

Zhang Shidong

South China Morning PostJuly 07, 2018

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sooku
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August 9, 2018 3:08 am
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That’s about Foxconn Industrial Internet, which is an affiliate and a different company

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vivian lewis
July 16, 2018 2:37 pm

you cannot legally buy in Taiwan.

advantedges
July 21, 2018 3:45 pm
Reply to  vivian lewis

The Buy would be an ADR

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JOHN
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JOHN
July 16, 2018 3:58 pm

HNHPF is at $5.43 Ameritrade

JOHN
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JOHN
July 16, 2018 3:59 pm

HNHPF is at $5.43 at Ameritrade

Michael
Member
July 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Every loser stock in my portfolio is from suggestions from the oxford club. And they don’t care if their suggestions are down. They will just say, “I’m sorry you are not happy with the way your portfolio is doing,” as if it is 100% your fault for buying the stocks they suggested to buy. CEMP and CLDX are great examples.

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July 30, 2018 11:05 am
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Hello Michael,

We sincerely apologize for any shortcomings regarding your portfolio. We work hard to mitigate risks for our members and do our best to put a strong emphasis on protecting profits and principal. Please be sure, if you have not already, to read through The Oxford Club’s Pillars of Wealth and understand The Oxford Wealth Pyramid. Each and every member has an entirely different portfolio, made up of personalized factors. Therefore, every recommendation we publish, may not apply to every member. This is why we do our best to build the ultimate mix of strategies to increase returns and dramatically lower risk.
For any additional assistance with these concepts, please be sure to contact any of our Pillar One Advisers. Although, we cannot provide direct and personal investment advice on a one-on-one basis, our vetted professionals will be able to.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 4:41 pm
Reply to  Michael

I find that nearly every stock I buy from stock advisor/guru recommendations promptly goes down the moment I place the buy order. It’s like my order is their signal to take profits or escape further downside. Good illustration of investing as a zero sum game.

jdunigan
jdunigan
July 16, 2018 5:15 pm

Fox Con is building a very large plant in southeastern Wisconsin.

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paintmaker
paintmaker
July 24, 2018 2:25 pm
Reply to  jdunigan

Yes, they are….when completed it will be over 10 million sq. ft. and employ over 13,000 people.

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StockMidas
July 16, 2018 5:54 pm

Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd. (HNHPF) traded in Aug 2008 at ± $6.00. It closed today (i.e. 10 years later) at $5.43. From 52 week high in Aug 2017 it has retraced by 35% to current levels.

Despite market cap of $48 Bill still trading on OTC markets at price of ± $5.00 – even at the said spot price TTM P/E is still 10.73 which is indicative of real value. Average daily trading volumes of ± 6,200 of a large cap company raises a red flag.

Technically quite horrendous – trading below all three major MA’s in the “Death Cross” zone with 200MA having transected 50MA upwards indicating continued downward trend with MACD’s signal and divergence in continued narrow association.

Have to agree with Travis on this one – requires quite a courageous investor who punts in blind faith.

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Jeff
Member
October 31, 2018 5:07 pm
Reply to  StockMidas

O no I have 2000 shares @ 2.87!

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Dave S.
Dave S.
July 16, 2018 7:40 pm

It’s in a very nice year-long down-trend with no sign of a reversal. Some admirable up-volume Wed and Thu of last week, only exceeded by the down-volume Friday and today. To the watch-list it goes.

karlchilders
karlchilders
July 16, 2018 10:14 pm

I have invested into a dozen or newsletters over the years. Oxford Club was last man standing because of Alex Green’s recommendations. Not to say he has not had a few turds, but overall quite impressive.
I unsubscribed after noticing Oxford Club recommendations would rise peculiarly the day before I received a buy recommendation.

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The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 1:23 pm
Reply to  karlchilders

Hello Karl,

Thank you for your feedback. We are sorry to hear we have lost your membership. Unfortunately without specific examples of recommendations you are referring to, we are unable to issue a comment.
However, please feel free to write into our feedback portal: mailbag@oxfordclub.com with the recommendations you found this – and we will be happy to look into this for you.

Sincerely,

Nikki Roeill
Member Experience Coordinator

Jon
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Jon
July 16, 2018 11:26 pm

Over 8 billion shares, no thank you!

Jon
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Jon
July 16, 2018 11:27 pm

Over 8 billion shares! No thank you

HigherPurp0se
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HigherPurp0se
July 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Globalization is very good for you, isn’t it? If a publisher is publicly touting Foxcon with such unequivocal rhetoric, then the insiders likely want to dump it. The performance of Alexander Green’s investment recommendations consistently underwhelms, but his pitches are polished and persuasive. He made a material error in his newsletter about the largest private construction project in world history. I sent him factual evidence that he was wrong. He never responded and never corrected the newsletter. Hence, I am dubious of Green’s oratory about the value of Foxcon/Hon Hai in anyone’s retirement plan, unless they are an offshore employee of Foxconn/Hon Hai.

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The Oxford Club
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July 30, 2018 11:14 am
Reply to  HigherPurp0se

Hello, Thank you for your feedback. At The Oxford Club we sincerely appreciate member engagement. Especially when it comes to research and speculation. This not only challenges us to produce stronger and the best qualified information, but also lets us know how invested our members are. If you would not mind – we would love to hear from you through our feedback portal, email: mailbag@oxfordclub.com.
If you would like, please send us over the factual evidence correction you are referring to from one of our past publications.
For any further concerns, questions or clarification, please feel free to contact our Member Services and one of our specialists will be happy to assist.
Member Services – 866.237.0436
Sincerely,
Nikki Roeill
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pastor
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pastor
July 18, 2018 5:47 pm

What about Tom Gentile’s Fast Fortune Club?

john2handy
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john2handy
August 5, 2018 12:21 am
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“and another ant took another grain of wheat” I grow weary of hearing him do the same math over and over and over. He is selling puts. “its a gray blob” The thing about selling puts they don’t tell you is that you have to have the capital to buy 100 shares per contract to write options. Win or lose its a big boys game. But do this math. How much does Tom Gentile make if a thousand takers pay him $1995 for the picks… before Monday morning. He doesn’t even need to be trading stocks at all to make his millions.

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Loy Lum
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Loy Lum
September 23, 2018 4:55 pm
Reply to  john2handy

Yup. Subscriptions are the publishers’ hands in our deep pockets for hyped adviice which may or may not bomb. Either way, they have our $ & we have another experience.

Tom
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Tom
August 18, 2018 9:55 pm
Reply to  pastor

I don’t have a long history with Fast Fortune Club —only a couple weeks, But the first 2 trades he gave me have been wildly successful, enough to pay for a whole year’s worth of trades twice over, and I’m talking his premium service “Money Calendar Pro”. So I am very happy so far!

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Calo
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Calo
October 26, 2018 11:42 pm
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Tom, will you share how the program has been working for you since August?

david
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david
July 19, 2018 3:49 pm

I spent 45 minutes listening to his presentation. He is slick and convincing and I almost decided to buy his newsletter, that was the end to his presentation. Then I told myself, “Beware of covetousness.” Saved by the Book.

Jack Christy
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Jack Christy
September 7, 2018 7:05 pm
Reply to  david

The Book indeed! Thx David! May all take heed ֽֽ…`when riches increase, i will not set my heart upon
them’. Melech Da’veed

david
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david
July 20, 2018 10:03 am

Another financial email this morning pushing Green’s video. When everyone starts jumping on the band wagon, I become very suspicious. Reminds me of the greater fool theory. The bottom line is he is trying to sell his newsletter.

D Colson
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D Colson
June 13, 2020 1:34 pm
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Hello everybody I easily found this stock in TD ameritrade and trading at 5.30 now and rising!!

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