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Teeka’s “The Investment of the Decade” — Digging into “Genesis” and the “Three Must-Own Stocks that Will Power Blockchain’s 295,000% Revolution”

What's the Palm Beach Letter's pitch all about? Who are the teased "blockchain gatekeeper," "next Visa" and "modern day Cisco?"

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, February 23, 2021

I’ve gotten a bunch of questions about Teeka Tiwari’s “Trump Tower” teaser pitch recently, so although the ad is actually very old now (it’s still got a January 29, 2020 date under the signature) I thought I’d re-share our solution. It is still circulating heavily, and it’s an ad for Palm Beach’s “entry level” newsletter called The Palm Beach Letter ($49, renews at $129).

What follows was last updated on April 6, 2020, in the throes of the Pandemic Panic, so the story for all of these stocks has obviously changed dramatically… as have prices for cryptocurrencies, with Bitcoin now up about 650% since then… but the actual ad and the stocks he’s teasing remain largely unchanged. I have kept my notes unchanged as well, though they may now sound foolish given the year we’ve had, so be gentle :).

The basic pitch is that blockchain is going to revolutionize the world, and that all the big guys are invested in it and we’re just getting started, with 295,000% gains coming (that comes from the World Economic Forum’s assessment that the blockchain ecosystem will store 10% of the world’s GDP by 2027, which might as well be a made-up number — there’s a free Palm Beach note about that here).

Tiwari even throws Warren Buffett in there as being part of this “investment of the decade” in blockchain technology, though that’s a pretty spurious name-drop (he implies that Buffett is “all in” because 21 of Berkshire’s 25 largest holdings have “invested in Genesis technology” — meaning they’ve done some kind of work with blockchain or cryptocurrencies… since I expect that almost every large company has done some work exploring or researching blockchain, that’s probably pretty meaningless).

But anyway, yes, his basic argument is that “Genesis Technology” is about to go mainstream and reach heavy adoption, and that as it becomes a huge part of the global economy you’ll get rich if you own the right stocks. Which, of course, he can tell you about for $49.

To be fair, Teeka Tiwari was one of the early mainstream newsletter guys who was recommending cryptocurrencies early on, back in the Summer of 2016, and particularly got into Ethereum before most pundits, so he’s not making up those historically excellent returns he probably had at that time. I would imagine that Ethereum pick in 2016 is probably what boosts the high average return that he brags about for his newsletter portfolio, much like the early picks of Netflix or Amazon fuel David Gardner’s average performance at the Motley Fool, and Tiwari these days is probably recommending little tiny cryptocurrencies right and left to try to replicate that 1,000% return magic.

But this one’s about stocks — so let’s find out what he’s pitching, shall we?

Before we get started, though, I should note that the “Trump Tower” part of this tease seems to be just name-dropping — he uses it as an example of a property evolving to “highest and best use”, as happens with lots of real estate eventually (a long spiel about a vacant lot becoming townhouses becoming a department store tower becoming Trump Tower, and adding value along the way). Somehow he applies this to blockchain, but mostly it’s just a way to drop the Trump name for attention… here’s how the connection is drawn…

What is blockchain’s “highest and best” use? More from the ad…

“Well, here’s the thing…

“At its core, blockchain is really just a very secure way to store information…

“It is the safest way to store information that has ever been devised. Because you can’t ‘hack’ the system.

“So, blockchain’s potential uses are wide and varied—I can’t possibly go into all of them in detail.

“But, to give you a taste, blockchain is being used today…
* To help modernize the $217 trillion real estate industry…
* To combat the $1.7 trillion in counterfeit goods sold each year…
* To improve the electoral voting system, making illegal votes a thing of the past…
* To help greatly reduce healthcare costs….
* And, also, to secure the food supply.”

But the big market, no surprise, is “money”…

“You see, while I was in Manhattan, I discovered something major going on right now…

“And that is this:

“The finance industry is ALL OVER blockchain!

“We talked about the “adoption curve” earlier.

“Well, we’re right at the “take off” point.

“Mass adoption has started…

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“Have you ever heard of the DTCC, the “Depository Trust Clearing Corporation”?

“That’s the major organization that clears more than $54 trillion in stock, mutual fund, and other financial trades each year…

“Well, get this…

“The DTCC just announced they’re moving $10 trillion onto the blockchain!”

OK, so that’s the basic background to his pitch — that blockchain is going mainstream. And while he does tease and tout some specific cryptocurrencies in his other pitches for higher-priced newsletters, in this ad he’s pitching stocks that are connected to blockchain. So what are they?

Let’s get into the clues… here’s the talk about number one:

“Well, soon, we’re going to see a brand new blockchain exchange hit the markets.

“And one company has positioned itself as the sole ‘gatekeeper.’

“You see, it’s the only company cleared by the SEC to trade blockchain investments…

“That means, as blockchain goes mainstream…

“And more and more investors rush in, and new financial blockchain products are introduced…

“This company will make a cut on every transaction.”

Other hints about this one? This is what we get…

“It’s got a huge competitive advantage—a ‘moat,’ as Buffett would put it.

“Insiders LOVE it. They own 93% of the company…

“Vanguard, Blackrock, State Street. They’ve all scooped up a ton of shares.

“But—today—you can still buy cheap shares while it’s flying under the radar.”

Not much certainty here, there are lots of companies setting up to try to become the toll-taking “exchanges” of the blockchain world, but my first thought was that this is very likely Overstock.com (OSTK), which has been investing in building a blockchain-focused venture capital arm for a few years. That division is called Medici Ventures, and the star of the portfolio is tZero, which is indeed trying to become a big exchange for security tokens.

I don’t know where they get the “insiders own 93% business,” though — there are essentially no publicly traded companies where insiders own that large a percentage. Yes, Vanguard, Blackrock and State Street all own “a ton” of shares of Overstock, but that’s not really useful informaion — that’s true of pretty much every single stock of any size in the public markets, if you’re in any of the indices, from the S&P 500 to the Russell 2000 to any major sector index, then a large number of your shares will be held by index ETFs, and those are the three big managers of those index ETFs so they’ll always show up as major owners of any nontrivial company.

Readers called to my attention, though, that Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) is a much better match. ICE is a great company, they own a couple dozen exchanges and really benefit from market volatility so it’s probably a good idea here (better at the trough, of course, then in January or now, but one never gets timing perfect), but I’d be very surprised if it ends up being dramatically impacted by trading in cryptocurrencies or security tokens. They do have an interesting business in BAKKT that might turn into something big as this evolves, but I would be surprised if that makes a financial impact on the company in the next five years — the NYSE and their commodity trading exchanges are far, far larger than the bitcoin/altcoin trading opportunity right now. Energy futures trading is by far their largest market — energy, agricultural commodities and metals make up about half of their actual trading and clearing revenue, which is their highest margin business and is pretty volatile, but their data and analytics products and services provide a pretty steady revenue foundation. I do like ICE a lot more than OSTK, so that’s good, but wouldn’t base my valuation on their potential in cryptocurrency trading.

Here are the notes I shared on Overstock, before shifting my focus, in case you’d like to see them…

Sadly, Overstock still owns its disappointing ecommerce division, Overstock.com, and they’ve probably missed the opportunity to sell it and get out of their own way in that division. It was an exciting e-commerce growth story 15-20 years ago, but they lost that battle to better-capitalized unicorns and Amazon, to say nothing of the improving ecommerce offerings from Target and Walmart, and it strikes me that they have been trying to create a survivable niche ever since. Faced with the pressure from giant money-losers like Wayfair, they decided about two years ago to ramp up their investments in advertising instead and try to lose money as fast as the other guys to grow the business, promising that they could grow even better and more efficiently than their new competitors. Then they kept losing even more money, and realized it might not be easy to get more, so they pulled back on that (this is my perception, at least, it might be unfair).

And through the past decade of ups and downs they’ve essentially been riding the waves generated by their unpredictable (now ex) CEO, Patrick Byrne, who has spent 20 years angering regulators and espousing conspiracy theories and fighting against the insular Wall Street titans (not an unreasonable thing to do all the time, of course, but it rarely ends well for public company CEOs to tilt at windmills — Patrick Byrne has often been compared to John McAfee in the past year, which is fun but probably not healthy), then got caught canoodling with an accused Russian spy, and finally stepped down from his position and sold his Overstock shares late last summer (selling a huge stake right before Overstock announced disastrous results and saw the share price drop, coincidentally enough).

Byrne’s story is a fantastic one, you’d have a hard time believing it if it were a novel — there’s a good summary here following his resignation if you’re curious, and a longer Forbes piece here.

On the plus side, the stock has certainly come way down in price now, and they are still trying to build up their tZero and other blockchain-related investments that have been Byrne’s focus since 2016 or 2017, though it’s going to become a bit more financially precarious unless they start getting some revenue fairly soon. They aren’t going broke immediately, they did sell some equity late last year so they have more than $100 million in cash still, and they borrowed money against their Peace Coliseum headquarters and are having their Medici companies raise third-party capital where feasible, but cash is likely to be spent pretty quickly — the actual ecommerce business performs best in the fourth quarter, as you’d expect for a retail operation, but they always burn cash the rest of the year and this year will probably be unusually bad in that regard.

Still, if you have a lot of confidence about tZero then maybe it’s worthwhile to you that you are getting that and the other Medici Ventures investments “on the cheap” here by buying Overstock shares.

Their big push now at tZero is to open the first regulated national exchange for trading security tokens, the Boston Securities Exchange (BSTX), but they don’t yet have regulatory approval in hand (tZero does have one SEC-registered broker dealer in its portfolio, tZERO ATS, which facilitates trades of equities and digital securities, so that technically matches the clues but the trading volume is minuscule so far). My guess would be that having Byrne involved as a major Medici shareholder (I don’t think he sold his separate shares of Medici Ventures, just his OSTK shares) is still a substantial negative, since nobody knows what he might do next, but some of those businesses, including tZero, do look appealing. They’re also issuing a “digital dividend” using the tZero platform at some point soon, though the details of that (it gets the designation OSTKO) are still seemingly uncertain.

The big push is in “tokenization”, which is different from the first wave of cryptocurrencies — most cryptocurrencies were designed (if any thought went into an end market at all) to serve as “utility tokens” to help with the exchange of money or establish platforms for exchanging or authenticating other assets, but the “security tokens” being issued more often now are often much more like regular financial assets — they’re often “securitized” real assets, like pieces of real estate, or pieces of ownership in a company. Instead of chopping your company up into pieces and selling those pieces on the NYSE, then, you might chop them into pieces, create a blockchain “token” for each piece, and let people trade those tokens through an exchange like tZero. It’s not really any different, except that the infrastructure and regulatory overhang are much lighter, so the costs are much lower. At least theoretically. That tokenization is what Patrick Byrne has long called the “killer app” for blockchain, and he’s not the only one who believes that… though what it might be worth, who might “own” it, if anyone, and how money will be made are all open questions.

Will security tokens take off as a way to sell and exchange assets, in place of stock markets or bond markets? I have no idea. Maybe. And tZero and Overstock are an early mover in this space, though the idea that they’ll be able to “disrupt” the big exchanges and create a meaningful-sized business still seems a little optimistic to me.

At this price, With Overstock.com now trading at a market cap of just about $200 million, it may be worth considering and it might be that they’ll get beyond the collapsing e-commerce business and that the departure of Byrne will let Wall Street take them seriously again someday… but be careful — at this point, I think, you’re catching the falling retail knife of what I’d guess is a dying ecommerce business and hoping that tZero and the other Medici Ventures companies can grow up fast enough for it to be worthwhile. The e-commerce business is cheap, and they still say optimistic things about it in their presentations, but revenue is still falling pretty sharply so I’d hesitate to bet a lot on their survival in that business. If you want to start digging into where they stand now, you can see their last quarterly presentation here (transcript here).

And what’s the next stock? Let’s check our clues…

“The Next Visa: The Blockchain ‘Payment Stock’ I Predict Will Go Up 16x! ….

“As I mentioned earlier, I believe our current debit and credit cards will soon disappear…

“They’ll be replaced by better, much safer ‘blockchain-backed’ cards….

“One payment company right now has already implemented blockchain into its system!

“It’s not Visa. Mastercard. American Express. Discover. Or PayPal, either.

“And, already, this company’s revenue has skyrocketed 16-fold…

“That’s eight times faster than Visa. And six times better than PayPal!

“And the number of payments processed is blowing up…

“But it’s not done yet…

“In fact, I predict blockchain stock #2 will become ‘the next Visa’… meaning it could still climb 16x from here… turning every five grand into $80,000!”

And a couple other clues…

“… the company has attracted Goldman Sachs’s former CFO to its board of directors. As well as former secretary of the Treasury, Larry Summers….

“Vanguard, Blackrock, and Morgan Stanley have already stockpiled 51 million shares between them…

“Goldman Sachs was also an early investor, participating in a $150 million round of funding…

“And billionaire hedge fund managers Andreas Halvorsen and Stephen Mandel have taken positions.”

That’s Square (SQ), and yes, that stock has been tied to the blockchain story since the emergence of bitcoin as a big deal a few years ago — partly because the Square Cash app was one of the first mainstream ways that regular people could easily buy bitcoin. And this one is nice and definite, since we can confirm the match with some numbers — the tease indicates that this “secret” company had $3,298 million in revenue in 2018, and that’s exactly what Square reported.

The bigger story for Square, though, is their actual business — providing point of sale hardware and cloud payment processing services for retailers. They are indeed pushing bitcoin as a payments solution, including accelerating their development of the Lightning Network that is intended to make bitcoin more scalable, so there is a real connection there still (I’m not an expert on this, but here’s how I think about it: bitcoin processes transactions very slowly compared to conventional payment networks, way too slowly for it to be useful for everyday commerce, so there are a lot of “speed it up” networks that try to build on that with a second layer, processing payments much more quickly and then communicating those transactions back to the base bitcoin network… somehow).

Whether they’ll become the “next Visa,” though, I have no idea — certainly they have pretty good economies of scale to invest in blockchain, but it’s also true that Visa and Mastercard and everyone else in the fintech or payments space is also investing in blockchain projects. Nobody wants to be beholden to a network they have to pay for in the future, partly because everyone’s pretty grumpy about the fact that in so many ways we’re all beholden to the expensive Mastercard and Visa networks now.

Square gets teased pretty regularly, and I’ve invested in it in the past though I don’t currently own shares, so I’ll just leave you with what I wrote when Christian DeHaemer included Square as one of his “MVPS” stocks to lead the next payment revolution:

Square is in a more competitive situation [than Paypal, Mastercard or Visa] and is less established, and that’s reflected in the volatility of the stock, but it is a strong emerging brand for retailers, and as more small retailers during the coronavirus panic start to rethink how important it is to have an online retail option and be able to easily take card payments it’s probably doing OK (our local shops have long had the little signs up saying “please pay cash to keep it local” for small purchases — but when they had to shift to delivery or online orders, those with Square or a similar product had a head start). I’d guess it will probably make more incremental progress in building its customer base, but we shouldn’t discount the competitive pressure of so many terminal companies trying to acquire customers… payment system customers are hugely lucrative over the long term, because they’re sticky and you therefore get the inside edge on a little share of the payment processing fees for a long time, but everybody knows that so acquiring customers is probably going to continue to be very expensive….

Square (SQ) had a nice bounce recently because they’ve announced that the COVID-19 impact will not be as dramatic as some might have feared — but that’s because the stock fell by more than 50% in the initial panic. Part of that is some relief that their Cash app for transferring money between people is still growing and doing well even as the merchant network is taking a hit, and part of it is their guidance for the first quarter, updated on March 24th, that has shrunk by less than 10% since their last update, with revenue guidance still close to what analysts are expecting. That’s just one quarter, and we don’t really know how long this retail “pause” will last or how customers will behave in the recovery from this “stay at home” period, so things are very fluid still — but any numbers or reassurance from companies these days is so far being taken very well. Guidance and updated numbers make things seem manageable, and predictable, and that’s really all that investors want these days.

Next?

“The Modern-Day ‘Cisco’…

“When most people think about the big Internet winners… they think of the Amazons, Googles, and Facebooks.

“But, for every Amazon, there’s a secret ‘behind the scene’ company like Cisco that returned a lot more!

“You see, back in the 1990s… Cisco was the decade’s 5th best stock… and returned a whopping 67,491%.

“It almost seems like a conspiracy… but the truth is, the “boring” companies like Cisco and Qualcomm get ignored….

“… behind the scenes, these companies provided the hardware that was needed to power the internet’s big boom….

“Now, it’s set to happen again…

“One company has brilliantly positioned itself to scoop up billions in revenue by supplying the hardware needed to power the blockchain boom.”

OK, so some kind of blockchain-enabling hardware company. Any other clues?

“Honda has already started working with this company.

“And, again, the big institutions are lining up…

“JP Morgan. Blackrock. Vanguard…

Fidelity, in fact, loves this stock so much, it’s already scooped up 7.5% of ALL available shares!

“You can buy it straight from your brokerage account, too.

“And I recommend you do so soon.

“See, this stock has already started a big move… shooting up 57% in the last 6 months alone.”

This one is a bit odder, since there are quite a few possible matches — and I’ve got one that matches the stock pattern they show precisely… but the percentage gain cited does not match.

Here’s what I mean — this is the image from the ad of “Blockchain Stock #3” for the “last 6 months” of this stock’s price movement…

And here’s the price chart for NVIDIA for roughly six months from late June into January…

NVDA Chart

So the stock chart is an exact match, down to each little dip and jump, so this must be our match… but it rose more than 80% while following that chart pattern, not 57%.

And yes, NVIDIA (NVDA) is one of the chipmakers that has been closely tied to the blockchain revolution since the beginning — which became a problem when bitcoin collapsed, because that exposed the fact that the marginal retail demand for NVIDIA’s higher-end GPUs, which were mostly designed for high end video game systems, was actually coming from cryptocurrency miners. That ensuing inventory crisis has now abated, for both NVIDIA and its major GPU competitor Advanced Micro Devices (AMD, which apparently remains the pick of the decade for fellow Agora affiliate Paul Mampilly).

I suppose that NVIDIA might get some boost from a more blockchain-heavy world, because one aspect common to a lot of blockchain projects is the concept of “mining” — mining basically means that computers which participate in the network, racing to complete computations in order to earn the right to validate transactions, will get rewards for that work… so the fastest processors earn the highest rewards. That’s becoming less of a driver for the GPU makers, since those chips weren’t really designed for cryptocurrency mining or blockchain specifically and a lot of specialized chips (ASICs) have been developed in the last couple years for bitcoin and other mining, but “need more high-throughput computing” is probably another part of the reason to consider buying AMD or NVIDIA.

And yes, to circle those clues, NVIDIA does work with Honda and lots of other carmakers — though as far as I know, not on blockchain projects, the more important work for NVDA in the automotive space, by far, is their work in designing self-driving car AI systems for those vehicles. Speeding up artificial intelligence both in cars and in data centers are key areas of growth for NVIDIA, though visual processing chips are still the largest part of their revenue, and still largely because they continue to push the envelope with faster and better chips to support high-end computer gaming, with that technology then gradually trickling down to cheaper GPUs for everybody else. I own shares of NVIDIA, but more because I think gaming will continue to be surprisingly profitable and because they have the lead in establishing the most accepted AI operating system than because of any benefit they’re still getting from blockchain.

And in case you want a little perspective, we can look back since we know that the ad was first sent around in late January — here’s how those stocks have done since the ad was created (that’s NVDA in orange, SQ in blue, and OSTK in red… with the S&P 500 in green for comparison):

SQ Chart

And as for blockchain itself? It seems really interesting, though it will have to get more efficient as it grows (checking each entry or transaction against lots of computers around the world, and making “miners” fight for the privilege, consumes a lot of electricity and time), but I’m sure it’s already made a lot of progress in that area.

The key, for me, is to think about it as a foundational idea for developing next-generation internet technologies and platforms — which means that it might be huge and we might not really know until years later who, if anyone, “won” blockchain… nobody owns the http protocol, nobody owns the basic technology of blockchain, or became the only company who could sell database or spreadsheet technology, and everybody is trying to figure out how to build better technologies that use blockchain but also might be proprietary enough to make them some money. But it’s still very early, so don’t bang your head too hard on the table trying to find the one “winner” for this next evolution, you can probably stick with actually watching the financials and identifying obviously profitable businesses run by managers who are pushing growth in the right direction, and trying to buy those when the price gets relatively appealing.

I feel pretty good about NVIDIA still in this neighborhood, though not because of blockchain, (and the stock has perhaps recovered too quickly for my taste of late), and Square looks more appealing than it has in the past year because of the coronavirus drop but could have a truly incredibly awful year with retail stores closing down right and left and might find it hard to dig out of that to resume growth if this “pause” extends beyond the spring… so I could perhaps talk myself into either of those positions over time, and have owned both (I own NVIDIA today, but not Square currently), but I really can’t talk myself into owning Overstock just yet, there’s just too much baggage to carry and I am probably a little too cynical after hearing huge promises about tZero for the past couple years.

So there’s my take, at least… but with your money, of course, it’s your take that will matter — have a hankering to add any of these blockchain stories to your stock portfolio? Prefer to dabble in the actual cryptocurrencies, or have different favorites? Let us know with a comment below. Thanks for reading!

Disclosure: Of the companies mentioned above, I currently own shares of and/or call options on NVIDIA, Google parent Alphabet, Berkshire Hathaway, and Amazon. I will not trade in any covered stock for at least three days, per Stock Gumshoe’s trading rules.

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John Gallo
John Gallo
April 6, 2020 5:10 pm

I own SQ and doing OK Lots of room to run.

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tompaol
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April 6, 2020 5:20 pm

I bought back into SQ again at $41.00 it is pretty volatile and I will look to add.
Not sure about OSTK .

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Normally Dubious
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April 6, 2020 5:58 pm

At least this particular Teeka campaign wasn’t trying to get me to buy coins – that experience last fall so frustrated me that I immediately delete any mail from Teeka – necessary because they ignore the unsubscribe request.

This one’s another pitch to get me to buy their newsletter, and As discussed by our fearless leader, recommend me to buy stocks that I already own.

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R K LAKHOTIA
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April 14, 2020 12:38 am

N Dubious, What you state is right as his team ignores the unsubscribe request. Just click on the button ‘Report spam” provided in Gmail top bar. The powerful servers of Goggle takes over and your harassment is stopped immediately.

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M P
April 17, 2020 8:36 pm

I joined him in April 2018. He guaranteed a free year of service if he didn’t make 10x gains on his coins. I got slaughtered in that year. I emailed them twice last year about his guarantee. They didn’t reply.
Last week they tried to bill my credit card $3,000 for a renewal, but my bank rejected it. My account with them is expired now. I’ll follow the coins on my own from here, probably consolidate half of them to simplify. It’s a tax nightmare doing everything he recommends, and I lost a couple coins – one trying to rush to sell and one a mishandling on my part – costs you money. Also by the time you find out his sell recommendation the coin is already diving.
I’ll hang in there for longer term, no more rush.

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bitetasty
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April 6, 2020 6:07 pm

I would like to start from basics and find a slow detailed intro into the whole business of ‘bitcoin’ I failed to keep up when it first came out,

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j macswan
April 6, 2020 6:23 pm
Reply to  bitetasty

Best thing you can do is go to You Tube and start listening to podcasts. Every crypto has its cheerleaders. Up until now it hasn’t been clear which one has the best use-case. Eventually, fundamentals will drive adoption and value. Bitcoin may be a store of value, but there are other platforms that do a better job in its niche (currency transfers) that are much faster and use a fraction of the electricity. XRP (Ripple) could be on the cusp of a major breakout. Try blogs by cryptoeri, the bearablebull and Kevin Cage. Ethereum will be a player, maybe Tezos, a few others. plenty of good info there and in laymans’ terms.

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Bosko Markoski
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April 7, 2020 11:13 am
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I agree with you j mcswan. But you use bitcoin as an investment backup as well. It’s like the saying goes. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. I call it Craz investing. It’s when hundreds of thousands of people start to dump crazy amounts of money onto something they like & believe in.

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September 10, 2020 8:43 pm
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XRP bull here. It has the most utility out of all the coins.

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donjur
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September 11, 2020 1:27 pm
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I have XRP also. Been holding for over a year. I recently sold my ETH for a nice gain on their runup. I thought XRP would have followed but nothing. We will see.

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guppadan
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April 8, 2020 4:52 pm
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Gilder’s “Life After Google” does a pretty good job, I just wish I was smart enough
to understand [and know I can believe] what he’s telling us. But I was asleep at the switch on Bitcoin, and thought this was going to be another fairy tale, like when Google was opening at, what? $85? and all the “smart” money was saying it was way over priced. So my timidity has cost me a bunch, so it’s so comforting to have a savvy dude like Travis helping to clear away a lot of the smoke and mirrors. It’s the first place I go when I hear a fishy story.. Thanks, Travis! us “babes in the woods” are humbled by tour kind and gentle advising/leadership.

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cka1946
April 10, 2020 11:35 am
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I am reading Life After Google too , about 2/3 done, I am in the same boat as
you but I find it all so interesting I’m not giving up.

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elk82070
elk82070
April 6, 2020 6:17 pm

Close. The three are ICE, SQ and NVDA.

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elk82070
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April 6, 2020 6:24 pm
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Or so I have been told. But who knows. Just an opinion.

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dougly
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May 7, 2020 1:56 pm
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Not OSTK for sure. ICE, SQ, NVDA – correct.

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tgnaylor
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April 7, 2020 1:21 am
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Correct ICE not Overstock! SQ and NVDA are correct.

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iltrus
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April 17, 2020 3:08 pm

So ICE it is. Matt McCall heavily teases blockchain and coins too. As a free tip he recently recommended CME Group. How would ICE and CME compare? I would not like to invest in both.
Thank you Travis for sharing with us your wisdom <3

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lesdoyle
April 6, 2020 7:03 pm

I’ve owned Square in my wife’s ROTH since before Teeka first promoted it and have done VERY WELL (up 245%) BUT I fear that small businesses (Square’s biggest market) will be hurting as a result of this pandemic and am thinking about selling half of the position and putting the proceeds into one of the gold royalty/streamers I have her in. I believe Thiel was a major backer of Square and that he is looking to open a bank via Square and maybe has already put in the application for it. So, I want to hedge with the half position I’ll retain just in case. Anyone with any more updates on what Thiel is doing with Square? I’d love to hear your thoughts. (Also, Navallier is showing a “D” grade for Square in his latest report and I do have some respect for his ratings.) Thanks for your thoughts!

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OSUfball
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April 6, 2020 8:24 pm

Look up this self-proclaimed “Wall St. Legend” Teeka Tiwari in the FINRA broker database. Interesting reading.

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frank_n_steyn
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April 6, 2020 10:38 pm
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Seems like he went through an awful lot of firms until he was barred. You’re right, very interesting reading

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fox
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fox
April 7, 2020 11:31 am
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eye opening, indeed.
And of course, all the gazillion crypto coins that he touted over the past 2+ years are dowbn anywhere between 30 and 80%, many of them even more. let’s say, on average 75%.
Good luck making the money back that anyone sank into those. Most of these trash coins will never recover. A shameless snakeoil salesman. I would never buy a damn thing that he recommends unless it is , just by coincidence, sth that I wanted to buy anyway.
Thx to Travis for the writeup, though.

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buckeyenation1965
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buckeyenation1965
April 10, 2020 8:39 am
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Hey OSUfball… give me a shout at copleycrew@yahoo.com to chat about some trading, etc. Thanks, M. BuckeyeNation

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leesal
April 6, 2020 9:04 pm

Travis, Please tell me your thoughts on Fairfax Financial FRFHF 4 PE 10% Div Potential comeback candidate, was $480, now $275 CEO Prem Watsa known as the Warren Buffet of Canada.

Thanks, Lee Salisbury

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Sargam
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April 8, 2020 10:21 pm
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Travis has written about Watsa more than once, pls look it up.

larryolson
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May 10, 2020 2:59 pm
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highly recommneded by Motley Fo0ol

recon-01
recon-01
April 6, 2020 11:22 pm

If I don’t want to purchase crypto coins individually, are there any ETFs worthy of a look in this sector that if Crypto currency does take off (post COVID) a linkage to this world could pay dividends – literally. Thx

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btjossem
btjossem
April 7, 2020 11:41 am
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I once ran into this fund and contacted my investment guy and he indicated I could not invest in it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BTCNX:US
I’m not certain if this will help get you going on potential crypto funds, but it was the only one I found when I was looking back in January.
I think this was the fund that I may have read information indicating it was only available in the state of New York, but I may be confusing it with some other ticker symbol.
Good luck.

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btjossem
btjossem
April 7, 2020 12:19 pm
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Bitwise 10 Private Index Fund
this might be more promising.
Minimum investment: $25,000
liquidity: weekly
https://www.bitwiseinvestments.com/funds/Bitwise-10
in order to invest, it asked the question: are you an US accredited investor?
Looks like you can answer: No, but I Live in the US.
I’m not ever done anything with this press. Just found it.

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recon-01
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April 7, 2020 8:33 pm
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Thanks

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M P
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M P
April 17, 2020 8:20 pm
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Check out Lykke. I think they sell a product that groups the Top25 cryptos by market cap. Spreads out your risk. I think they rebalance it daily based on changes in the Top 25

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aldosov
May 17, 2020 11:37 am
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Check out…CH0521604923 (SIX Symbol KRYPTQ) is an open-end tracker certificate.
Swissquote Multi Crypto Index (ISIN CH0521604923) is listed at SIX Swiss Exchange as can be seen in the term sheet.
https://www.swissquote.ch/index/index_quote_e.html?trackPageId=2fgpeuqvmrabeom9pl1doeoiq*5786133754&cookieId=ACM158547207075658718&sessionId=2fgpeuqvmrabeom9pl1doeoiq

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rcccraig
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rcccraig
April 6, 2020 11:50 pm

2/3 is really good, ostk not one of them

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D F
May 18, 2020 1:08 am
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#1 is ICE.

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Bob H.
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Bob H.
April 7, 2020 12:04 pm

Good Work….Travis.
Any news on IBM’s massive 1,000 plus employees working full time on blockchain algorithms for industries like Banking, Medical, Military and others for nearly 2-years now??
I haven’t heard or seen much for a long time. Thinking of investing.

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brandtf88
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brandtf88
May 29, 2020 1:11 pm
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google search blockchain patents in the past year

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Keri K.
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Keri K.
April 7, 2020 1:52 pm

I own some shares in SQ, but reading the comments (esp. about how small businesses will most likely be affected/COVID19) I’m tempted to see and buy into NVDA…which I’ve considered buying before. I go through e-trade, and all five analysts say ‘buy’. With SQ, 3 say ‘buy’, 2 say ‘hold’. Wish I had a crystal ball!

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popehamid
April 7, 2020 2:34 pm

If you want to a pure blockchain play and a perfect monetary play for the current macro environment.

This is the time to buy Bitcoin. Literally made for this.

Halving is in a month and the money printer is only gonna go “brrrrrrr” more in the next 2 years.

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dahadus
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April 7, 2020 5:38 pm

SQ was one of the stocks on the don’t buy list from Altimetry (forensic accounting) few days ago

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dcohn
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April 10, 2020 3:16 am
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Altimetry has a great product for checking stocks viability. Unluckily they are using the concept that what a company is really worth has a big effect in its success. That does not seem true in the BizaroWorld we live it.

As if the current “Crisis” is all one thing. Its a lot of things made to look like one.

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ewfurgie
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ewfurgie
April 13, 2020 6:16 pm

What are Teeks Tiwari’s picks altcoins 5 to 5 million?? And Matt McCall’s 5 altcoin picks??

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MARINA
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MARINA
April 20, 2020 6:58 am
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*Teeka Tiwari’s 5 to $5million Altcoins:
ENJ – ENJIN
MCO – CRYPTO.COM
DATA – STREAMR
SNT – STATUS NETWORK
NMR – NUMERAIRE

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conwayed
conwayed
May 7, 2020 1:36 pm
Reply to  MARINA

Thanks, Marina. I’ve paid for Teeka’s advice in the past, but I’m not anxious to pony up $2,500 for the 5 to $5million offering. Do you know what the second 5 coins + 2 extras are?

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Doug Frohman
May 18, 2020 1:11 am
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Had the 5, + the new 5. So far it’s been Y2K, ie. Zip. Haven’t checked past few days. Did any of them start to move?

Alex T
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Alex T
April 17, 2020 6:43 am

I thought the 3 stocks would be low-priced, like almost “penny stocks”, as he said. That is the only way you can make a massive amount of money by only investing $500 in each

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brandtf88
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brandtf88
May 29, 2020 1:10 pm
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that is only to manage their firms risk/liability should anything go “fluke” wrong

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angel87
angel87
April 19, 2020 11:09 am

Does anyone know Teeka’s recent recommended ipo’s?

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Sanna
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Sanna
May 9, 2020 8:51 am
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I would like to know this too

brandtf88
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brandtf88
May 29, 2020 1:09 pm
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square up to 100 per share, intercontinental exchange up to 110 per share, nvidia up to 350 per share

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D Ranney
April 25, 2020 8:14 pm

Dear Thinkolator, Alex Green and Bill OReilly – Smartest Investment Strategy of All Time, what 3 stocks are they teasing? Help

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edward p Piken
April 27, 2020 5:14 pm

ed piken
Great discussion. Owned square but stock in face of retail collapse was not looking strong and got out even. Owned Nividia at 12 sold at 18 when apple dropped them and rebought 100s and the recently on dip. I feel they are top AI chip company and love them going forward. If you throw in a covered call way over price and a reasonable put sale you can buy stock 40 dollars cheaper than current price.

Mitch
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Mitch
May 2, 2020 3:06 pm

You’re correct on Stocks #2 and #3. Stock #1 is Intercontinental Exchange – ICE – parent Co of Nasdaq.

I bought the coin letter too, a month or so ago and bought all 10. It is starting to move – overall up about 37%. One coin up 845%.

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terry porter
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terry porter
May 8, 2020 5:32 pm
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lease share the 10 recommends?

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