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What is “Passive Income Trader?”

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, September 10, 2013

No big stock “reveal” today, but perhaps our blatheration will be of some interest anyway.

We’ve had a number of readers write in asking about a heavily promoted trading service called Passive Income Trader — this is a service that’s been around for a year or two, as far as I can tell, and they’ve even placed ads on our email newsletter a couple times, but I’ve never listened to the presentation before.

So today, I jumped in to check it out a bit. Reluctantly, because this is one of those ads that doesn’t come with a handy dandy transcript … so I had to listen to the whole blessed thing to see what details they shared.

I don’t often cover trading services that are pitching a strategy, particularly a rapid-trading strategy, because I’m not an active trader and tend to default to my bias for long-term investing when I look at these quick-hit services. But here goes …

The pitch is from a guy called Sam Johnson, who is apparently the trader who “discovered” this trading strategy for profiting from “parabolic moves” in individual microcap stocks. I presume this is a pseudonym, since unlike most of the Market Authority (that’s the publisher) newsletter personalities he shares no picture (they do have some real and experienced newsletter writers, FYI, they publish letters from Charles Mizrahi and Ian Cooper, both of whom I’ve covered in the past in their work with other publishers).

Sam starts out by building a perfectly reasonable case for the existence of parabolic moves in different markets (tech stocks in 1999, gold in 1979, housing in 2006, etc.), and then saying that he can help you profit from these kinds of parabolic moves.

He does that by grossly simplifying the situation (also pretty common in hyperbole-filled teaser pitches), and by making the connection that parabolic moves of large sectors over months and years are similar to spikes in individual microcap stocks over a matter of days:

“Parabolic moves are caused by the exact same thing: a story …

“Parabolic moves in assets happen when large groups of investors buy into the story”

He then makes comparisons to the tech boom of the late 1990s, when every cab driver was also a day trader, and to the housing bubble when you were starting to wonder whether you should move to Miami and start “flipping” condos for quick profits — he could have gone all the way back to the tulip mania or the gold rush, I guess, and there is certainly a tendency in human nature that creates bubbles of “I don’t want to miss out.” I won’t argue with the existence of story-driven bubbles, whether large or small, we see them every day.

But this is essentially a rapid trading service we’re talking about — the “passive” part comes from the fact that they issue roughly one trade alert per month, you put in your buy and immediately also put in your sell order for the target price, and you’re done. Assuming the stock gets to your price and is sold. So how do you profit from a parabolic move in a little tiny stock?

“You get rich by getting into assets BEFORE the stampeding crowd … and by getting out of them at the start or middle of the parabolic move that comes right before the inevitable crash. That’s why what I’m about to show you works so well.”

“I found something that happens every month or so that creates a big market story in a small sector. This event causes quick, bubble-burst cycles to happen like clockwork. So I just invest in the start of a parabolic move, sell before it peaks and walk away with 22.6 percent profit on trade after trade. And totally avoid the bust at the end.”

This thing that happens “every month or so” is a catalyst that drives a specific stock — but it’s not a catalyst that generally has anything to do with the stock itself.

“I found a source of stocks that have gone up in price 94 percent of the time when a very specific catalyst event triggers… when this catalyst event hit, it caused more than half of these stocks to shoot up more than 100 percent.”

“… this catalyst triggers on one stock every month … you could see it trigger on the specific stock within minutes of it happening, while the price jump happens over the course of several days, even weeks.”

“What’s the catalyst? Stock promotions… they are PR and marketing campaigns designed to get investors to buy and hold into a stock (something you should never do with these stocks, as you’re about to see).

“There are hundreds of stock promoters, but only a couple of ‘big fish’ who consistently drive a stock price through the roof with their promotions” …

“Investors who fall for these promotions think they’re going to cash in on the ‘next great Shale oil find’ or ‘the next Groupon’ or whatever. That creates a smaller version of those parabolic moves we saw in the U.S. housing market: gold in the 1980s and the NASDAQ during the tech boom….”

So, yes this Passive Income Trader is a service that either has a relationship with a stock promoter and gets in on these promotions early or before the promotion begins, or simply latches on, remora-like, when a promotion happens and rides part of the likely stock move. I don’t know which — it’s not clear from the ad or in their disclaimers and I haven’t asked them. The “before the stampeding crowd” part implies that they have some insider knowledge of when those moves will happen, but these promotion campaigns don’t go out in just a single mailing at a single second.

And the part of the service that makes it seem somewhat feasible is the fact that they’re not trying to predict the whole curve of a promoted stock’s response to promotion, just the first bit of it. They say they focus on getting in early and getting out quickly — with a stated target of 25% gains on each trade.

There are some worthwhile things in the presentation, like this quote:

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“… you never, ever want to hold a stock from a stock promotion for the long term”

That’s certainly true. I’ve literally never seen a single stock promotion that featured a company with any compelling fundamental reason to own it — many of them don’t even have a business at all, they’re just a catchy name, a story, and a ticker symbol, and usually an investor can realize that just by checking their revenue line (usually zero, or laughably small) or reading the disclaimer to see how much someone was paid to drive the shares up. That’s why I don’t often write about these promoted stocks, though I do trot out the occasional “please don’t buy this” article to remind new investors about how worthless the stocks really are.

And the ad goes on to turn it from a warning into a tease:

“The profit opportunity is in the first couple of days. You just want to skim the cream off the top. I set my profit target at just 25 percent so that I can hit my target in the first day or so and not get caught when the bubble bursts at the end.”

He also says that if you try to hang on for the 100-300% gains that many people shoot for when they chase a stock promotion, “you’ll end up losing a lot of money when the stock tanks at the end of the promotion.”

Which is also true — I’ve never seen a stock promotion that didn’t fizzle back out and return the stock to somewhere near where it was trading before it was promoted … or even much lower, in some cases. The companies are generally worthless, after all, and exist only to be manipulated — eventually the weight of that worthlessness brings the stock back down once the manipulators stop pushing it higher.

And he says that the volume is also very high in the first days of a stock promotion — good enough to get in and out, before volume dies off — in his words, “the average volume on the first day of promotion has been about 60 million shares.”

That’s supposed to give some reassurance — letting you know that although this is a microcap, it trades more shares on these targeted days than stocks like GM or Wells Fargo. Which is sometimes true, but what’s important isn’t really share volume, it’s the trading volume in dollar terms — promoted stocks are often in the 5-50 cent neighborhood, so even small individual investors might easily be tossing around 100,000 share positions. Their published track record of stocks they’ve traded includes XUII, for example (the company name is Xumanii, but it’s not being traded because of anything to do with the company so it’s better to just think of it as a ticker), and Xumanii did indeed have two big spurts of stock promotion in May and July this year — the first one gut up to almost 200 million shares traded as it spiked from 10 cents to 40 cents, the second peaked at just over 60 million as it went from 20 or 30 cents to almost 70 cents.

That’s actually pretty remarkable trading volume for a microcap on those two spiking volume days (on most other days during the ebb and flow of that stock promotion it traded between 3-5 million shares), but it’s not all that much money. That’s trading volume of about $12 million on the wildly-out-of-the-norm peak days — average trading volume in GM shares might be $750 million in an average day. Of course, there are no institutional investors screwing around with a worthless pumped stock like XUII, so it’s all individual investors being fleeced and promoters trying to drive up the share price. And folks like Passive Income Trader subscribers trying to grab at a taste of it along the way.

They’re not the only ones, to be sure — there are plenty of investors out there who think they’ve got the world outsmarted, and they think that even though they know these companies are crap they will be nimble enough to get in and out unscathed as the stock bounces around … there’s a bit of a cottage industry in tracking stock promotions, which likely serves the promoters quite well in keeping volume up — there may be as many “promotion traders” who think they’re in the know as there are actual rubes being lined up to buy the junk “for real.”

If none of this makes sense to you, here’s the basic primer: Stock promotions are press campaigns and ad campaigns that tout a specific stock as a big winner, usually because of some breakthrough technology or land holding. Some of them are really advertising by companies themselves, trying to drum up investor interest to drive the stock higher so they can raise more money, but often stock promotions are paid for and run by traders who are unrelated to the target company (at least legally) who are just doing a “pump and dump” campaign — this is the modern day equivalent of the boiler room operation that tries to drive up a stock so that the folks who accumulated a big position earlier on the cheap can sell to the new crop of eager buyers who have stars in their eyes. These ads can almost always be distinguished from newsletter teaser promos because stock promotions are selling the stock and almost always blare the name and ticker in large letters — newsletter ads toss out sneaky hints about real stocks to try to sell their newsletter, stock promotions try to convince you to buy a junk stock. They’re legal, for the most part, as long as they tell you in the fine print that it’s all an ad and that they were paid to promote the stock — which is fine with them, because they know nobody ever reads the fine print.

And though Passive Income Trader says they have studied three years of stock promotion data to come up with their model for how to trade these little manipulated microcaps, it’s hard to be terribly confident that anyone other than the person paying for the stock promotion campaign knows when it will start — and, as importantly, how it will fluctuate and when it will stop. Unlike the crowd mania-driven bubbles of the tech stock market or the gold market or the Dutch tulip frenzy, this isn’t the wild bubble behavior of crowds we’re talking about — microcap stock promotion is usually the targeted scalping of naive individual investors and it is much more controlled, discrete and manipulated than the “madness of crowds” that creates bubbles. Yes, they both have their root in the human love for a trend and a hot story that you’re afraid of missing, but that’s about all they have in common.

I can accept that as long as Passive Income Trader doesn’t have more than a few hundred subscribers it would theoretically be possible to scalp quick returns on the early spurt of a stock promotion — but only if they really are able to catch the largest promotions, and to catch them just as (or before) they have their huge volume days.

If they had, say 500 subscribers and each subscriber wagered $2,500 in hopes of a $500 gain on the day their trade alert comes out, that would be volume of about 2.5 million shares if we’re talking about XUII stock (for example) — so on a spiking day, XUII could handle it if the promoters have conned enough people into buying 60 million shares worth, there would be enough volume to soak up a few million shares of selling in the middle of the action — but on a normal day of five million shares in the middle of the promotion, that would mean the Passive Income Trader folks would be most of the volume … meaning there wouldn’t be someone there to sell when they wanted to all buy at once, nor would there be someone to buy when they all wanted to sell at once. So for even just 500 subscribers, you can imagine that it would be tough to get the “hypothetical” returns that look possible from the movement of a stock — even if the stock really has exactly the move they anticipate, there would have to be a lot of shares traded to make it possible for real-money accounts to actually get buys and sells on their positions to book actual profits. That’s true of any newsletter or service that recommends illiquid penny stock or options trades, the real results can never match the chart, but it’s probably doubly true of wildly distorted promoted stocks.

Anyone — literally — could do this if they knew which promoters were the big ones, what stocks they had been hired to promote, and which stock would have the biggest promotional push in any given week or month. The mechanics of it are reasonable, albeit of perhaps questionable ethics if you’re “in the know,” and you can see how it would work as long as you’re not trying to drag a couple thousand traders along with you and blowing the trading volume out of whack.

But the important thing is knowing which promotions will indeed be big movers and which will fizzle or never get very big or move up before you have a chance to recommend them. How do they learn about these promoted stocks?

“… we’re able to do all of this with about one trade a month, which is the frequency of stock promotions from the top promoter who actually moves stocks.”

Does that mean they’re actually working with that promoter? Or does it just mean that they know which promoter is the best and can jump on his emails the second they start running, and alert their subscribers? I don’t know.

Unless the Passive Income folks are getting their ideas from the promoter before the promotion, there’s no way they can do this on a schedule — they have to wait until they see the right stock promotion, then write up the trade recommendation, maybe run it by their lawyers, and send it out to their subscribers.

Or, of course, they could be the stock promoters themselves or have a close relationship with them — that could make this a really stable and much more predictable business: taking the promotion money, blasting their email lists, and also getting additional income by telling some subscribers beforehand and telling them to sell along the way. I don’t know if that’s what they do, but I do know that some of this publisher’s newsletter/trading service authors have endorsed junk promoted stocks that are in Passive Income Trader’s track record (Chuck Hughes, who helms a service for Market Authority, was also paid to promote ECAU), so there is at least a potential trail of connection between this trading service and the companies doing the promotions. I have not researched exactly which promotions were paid for by whom or scoured the disclaimers beyond that. Mostly because I don’t care — I don’t want to have anything to do with promoted stocks in my portfolio, I would probably not be nimble enough to get in and out at the right times if I tried to do it … and if I were successful, I’d feel slimy for being an active part of a stock promotion. But that’s just me, and I may be naive (or just boring).

And no, I can’t tell you what the hot new stock promotions are going to be — and I won’t tell you not to try to do this kind of wild day trading — you’re all grown-ups, and wild swings of microcap stocks are undoubtedly fun and feel like a trip to the casino. There are a few folks who have very publicly gotten rich from similar strategies, like Timothy Sykes (who tries to play it both ways, tracking the promotion up and then shorting it on the way down), but it’s not investing. I prefer to study companies, to research stocks, to try to profit by choosing good companies that can grow and generate cash flow over time and see their stock price rise because of that fundamental business performance, and save my gambling for the blackjack table and the occasional options speculation. But I also almost rarely make 20% gains in a single day.

So … would you like to be a little cog in the wheel of the stock promotion cycle? Think it’s worth trying to scalp promotions to get quick gains when you notice them in your email box? Ever try out Passive Income Trader or think this strategy will work, with or without being connected to the stock promoters themselves? Let us know with a comment below.

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Bob
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September 11, 2013 9:39 am

Market Authority cant pick stocks to save their life! See this example.
Just for fun, pull up a chart for Fannie Mae (FNMA). No, really, pull up the chart. See how it DIVES in early june? Market Autorirty stated it was BUY at that very moment. (I have included their message below with the date). They had it as a Buy at $2.55 with a target of $3.75; HOWEVER within a day or so it dropped to $1.50, then to $1.25 where in still festers to this day. Ok, it would have been an awesome Short play; BUT as the un-altered message says below, they went Long.

So, is that a good investment? Would you like to Buy at $2.55 and sell at $1.25? Yikes! Is it a heck of a lot better investment advice if you stop-lossed out at $1.90? SO, Do you really want to pay this guy to give you this kind of advice? You could do better throwing darts at the newspaper, and you know it! (Market Authority June 3 Message Follows)

From the desk of Sam Johnson
Passive Income Trader
Monday, June 03, 2013
Bonus Trade Alert Update
Market Authority’s owner and trading team have been in developing several trading strategies that are based on the same concepts as Passive Income Trader.
One of these such systems involves trading mortgage companies like Fannie Mae – which is one of the top traded OTCBB stocks today, averaging 49M+ shares/day right now.
Today we alerted the following bonus alert. (Which is not a normal Passive Income Trader alert.)
•BUY: FNMA at 2.55
•Profit Target: 3.57
•Stop Loss: 1.90
The stock market has had incredible run ups every Tuesday in 2013 and the owner of Market Authority felt it was important to get this bonus alert out to members today when FNMA’s large gap opening and subsequent small pull back triggered this systems buy signal.
If you look at the chart up above you’ll see why this trade alert could potentially bring our members a 40% profit, it’s been having fast run ups in the near past and we believe it will happen again soon.

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Sam Johnson
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September 11, 2013 10:03 am

LEGAL DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT THE AVERAGE RESULT OF OUR CUSTOMERS. MANY HAVE LOST ALL OR GREAT PORTIONS OF THEIR INVESTMENTS. THESE ARE TESTIMONIALS CUSTOMERS HAVE SENT INTO US WITHOUT ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION THAT WE”VE COLLECTED. WE REFRAIN FROM ADVERTISING THEM BECAUSE AS YOUVE SEEN OFTEN TIMES PEOPLE BUY OUR ALERTS VERY LATE THEN IGNORE SELL ADVICE WHICH HAS RESULTED IN LOSSES FOR CERTAIN MEMBERS.

“You asked for feedback on our trades. My first PIT trade was GOFF: in on Monday, Mar 18 at .28; out on Thursday, Mar 21, 1:40 pm EDT at .33. I had a Good Til Cancel sell order at .35 in place since Monday. I was not filled when the price touched .35 briefly on Thursday am; I revised to sell @ .33 after the Trade Alert to sell if we hadn’t been filled at .35. Profit of 16.6% after commissions.

FYI.”

“Made about $300 so far on GOFF.
Sold 60% of my shares, still have 40% hoping for more.
Thanks Sam

Gary”

“This was a good trade. I bought 10,000 shares on 3/18 at $2,790 and sold them three days later for $3,300 a gain of $510 or 18%.

This was my first trade based on your recommendation. I should have purchase 20,000 but I was worried about the volume.

Thanks.

Jim”

“Just joined the service this weekend and placed the trade with small amount of capital (1K) to test the waters and make sure that I can trade with my current broker. In at 0.285 but did not make the 25% trigger at 0.355, out at 0.335 for the 17% profit. Very encouraged and will be interested to ask more questions at tomorrow’s webinar.

I just signed up on Monday of this week. Places my first trade on GOFF at $.32 and sold on the alert the following day at $.335. Not a huge return but not bad in less than 2 days. So far so good!

I’m a new member and missed the original call to get in GOFF but when Sam said to still get in I did on March 19 at .3080 and then this morning(3/13) I saw it was having a real hard time hitting .35 so I got out at .3495 for a 13% gain and was very happy. I’m looking for it to retrace a little bit more before I get back in. Thanks”

“In at 0.2815 for 20.000 # and out at 0.335 or $ 1,000 profit. I’m thirsty for more.”

“Bought 20,000 shs GOFF at .28, sold at .335.
$1100 in 3 days is GREAT..Thanks!”

“Booked 17% profit”

“On monday morning when the first alert came out around 8.30 am I put in a limit order at .29 as suggested and got filled in right away. The following daily alerts kept me in good spirits. Then when the sell alert came in on thursday morning I changed my previous limit order from .35 to .335. however the price kept dropping befre I could get filled in. So rather than risking a crash I followed the price down and managed to sell at .30 for a profit of 1 cent. A 3.5% profit may not be as great as the 17% others may have got but my capital is safe and am ready for the next trade.”

“What a fantastic way to trade. I have had success with the two previous trades but made a mistake on GOFF. I got in at 0.2798 and put a sell order on at 0.35. Unfortunately the order was for the day, and not good till cancelled. !!! I still made12.5% !!! Maybe worth a word of caution to idiots like me.

Thanks again.

Mike W.”

“I’m a new member as of 3/20/2013 and I bought GOFF on the second go-around at .32. I am currently up $401 on 10000 shares. Thank you. I look forward to a long and rewarding relationship.

Peter”

“i haven’t traded with passive income due to issues i was having with td ameritrade. those are all resolved and i traded GOFF and got in at .281 and hit my 20 % profit trade. i like to play it a little safer than shooting for 25%. i get alot of emails claiming that they have the next secret to trading that very few know of( like no one has heard of selling puts). but honestly, this is revolutionary. it has worked everytime i have used it, and this is the next big thing. thanks”

“Sam – thanks so much for your great service. I was able to pay for my subscription on my first trade with you and still pocket over $500.00. I am very excited about your service and all of your upcoming alerts and bonus alerts. Thanks so much!

Sincerely,
Josh”

“Dean G.: Nice, how much did you make with XUII?
Bret: about $20k!
Bret: Yup, it was nice. I can’t believe what a tear XUII is on the last few days. But I’m very reluctant to enter again at this price level.”

“Dean G.: How did you do with the last XUII trade?
MArtin: I made about 12% I jumped out too early
MArtin: I bought at .389 and sold at .4289
MArtin: It was my first time using the program so I””m Happy
Dean G.: How many shares did you get?
MArtin: 14,000
Dean G: Great trade Martin!”

“IN AT .3658 OUT AT .4545 WITH 10,000 SHARES.” Gerald W.

William H: Hello, Dean: I am a new subscriber to Passive Income Trader and recently conducted my first (successful) trade in XUII with a 59% positive margin. I purchased 6,000 shares
It did work out though. The price did go back up to .525 and it did trigger on the way up at .5269 or so 30 minutes to stock Market closing. I made a hefty 44% profit on this trade. 3200.00+ Thanks for any help you can give. Tom D

LEGAL DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT THE AVERAGE RESULT OF OUR CUSTOMERS. MANY HAVE LOST ALL OR GREAT PORTIONS OF THEIR INVESTMENTS. THESE ARE TESTIMONIALS CUSTOMERS HAVE SENT INTO US WITHOUT ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION THAT WE”VE COLLECTED. WE REFRAIN FROM ADVERTISING THEM BECAUSE AS YOUVE SEEN OFTEN TIMES PEOPLE BUY OUR ALERTS VERY LATE THEN IGNORE SELL ADVICE WHICH HAS RESULTED IN LOSSES FOR CERTAIN MEMBERS.

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Bob
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September 11, 2013 11:25 am
Reply to  Sam Johnson

Sammy, you crack me up.
You respond with more of your advertising hype. Travis asked if any of his Gumshoe subscribers had used Market Authority. I dont think he is interested in your canned shills statements. I can state from experince Market Authority is a disaster.
I have been a Gumshoe subscriber for many years. The subscribers here are very savy and enjoy peering through the smoke people like you produce. I doubt a single one of them will follow you on to your site.
You said “BUY: FNMA at 2.55” and it immediatly dove to $1.50. I have many more examples of your mismanagment and bloated statements. If I had not paid for the bad advice, I would not complain. So, Ok, feel free to refund my Trial Membership fee, and I’ll go away. All the examples I gave are true and I have provided your own statements from your newsletter to back them up. I AM a subscriber to Stock Gumshoe and was asked to provide my experince with your company. I strongly reccomend it be AVOIDED.

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September 11, 2013 10:20 am

I’m looking for a definition of “Rich Gold Bullion” as opposed to gold bullion. Stansberry is promoting TRUE WEALTH with an article written by Sujuerrud’s brother, Mike who espouses this “Rich Gold Bullion” as the toy of the wealthy.

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Guy
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September 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Got caught up late in the hype in XUII and lost my shirt and pants -worse than naked options. Live and Learn 🙂

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Bob
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September 12, 2013 12:51 pm

If you want to check it out yourself, their latest pick went public today.
PWEI
Jason/Sammy recomend it at a Buy at 0.095 (.085 plus 0.010 to ensure it fills). I have no idea which direction it will go; but you can check and play at home!
This Buy suggestion for PWEI came when the stock was already up 30+% – by the time it got to us Market Authority newsletter subscribers.
Gee . . . I wonder who bought up those early shares, prior to sending out the email to the subscribers??

Full discloure I have a Long holding for PWEI now lets see how it does.

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September 12, 2013 7:15 pm
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Interesting – I ‘played at home’ and the stock topped out right at their Buy recommendation of 0.095 today, then fell back to around 0.085 for the last couple hours of the regular trading day. Then exactly 10 minutes after the markets closed, the price dropped to 0.0601 on a volume of 5 million shares within 2 minutes.

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/pwei/after-hours

–MJ

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baygreen
September 14, 2013 4:18 am

Travis it has been a while since checking in , been busy vacation, travel, family, etc. all that good stuff, like your comment and I have certainly made my share of swing low sweet chariot’s, you still put it on the table for all to see that keeps me here and also get to enjoy the input of all . I do think the hype not from you but how you put perspective is far to lets say realistic , so I would personally think your members/ followers would not mind a keep up with inflation news letter price adjustment, I think the irregulars would not mind I would not, but that is your T&M ( time and material ) + the thinkolater and I am happy it is not a cost plus job so just keep it up and we are satisfied on this end. But I would not mind a grand father loop hole for the long time members, either way I will stay. All I can really say is thanks for the integrity and honesty that you put out, I have been around for a while and your still here coming in loud and clear without the traditional badmouth that goes through the market, and your open door policy is cool and very effective . Keep it up and I will keep learning and enjoying, THANKS to you and your whole team.

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September 17, 2013 2:32 am

Just quoting. Seems contradictory…what do you all say?
Passive Income Trader: PWEI re-entry instructions
BY EDITOR | SEPTEMBER 16TH | COMMENTARY, TRADE ALERTS
If you were stopped out of your PWEI position at breakeven just now – please re-enter once the stock reaches .0925.

Many of you likely did not stop out because most members were in for .085 or lower but if you were the price to re-enter will be when the stock reaches .0925

In order to protect our capital we are happy to get out, let any sell off that may happen occur, then get back in while its on the way back up.

Everything is still going great for PWEI and we’re still looking to reach profit targets potentially today or tomorrow.

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Benny
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September 17, 2013 9:37 am

Is the above service related to this Manny Backus dude as well?

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Bob
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September 17, 2013 3:45 pm

OK, Market Authoritys stellar pick PWEI is SUSPENDED from trading. Hope you didn’t have money in it!
See message above #27 where they say,”Everything is still going great for PWEI”. I continue to laugh at them!
Here is the UPDATE: Now it is supended with investors trapped at least until October. Great place to keep your cash! Yikes!
The latest message from the Market Authority Einstien, “Jason/Sammy” (reprinted below) says its not that bad beacuse you may get HALF of your money back! I guess that was the good news! You cant make this stuff up!
Full disclosure, I’m a long time member of Stock Gumshoe, I bought the trial of Market Authority, did not like it and was not given my money back. I’m sharing with you information sent to me by Market Authority – without alteration so you can judge these clowns for yourself. INFORMATION FOLLOWS:

From the desk of Jason Cox
Market Authority CEO, Passive Income Trader Strategist
For: Passive Income Trader
Tuesday, September 17, 2013
PWEI Update: The Good and Bad News.
The bad news is that PWEI has been suspended for trading until
October 1st and we are not sure how this will affect the price of the stock. Many members are worried that the shares will be almost worthless, however, my experience tells me that we should be able to get out for 1/2 of their value or better.
I will be giving you explicit instructions on when and how we exit this position in our model portfolio. Rushing to sell it the second the trading commences may not be the smartest strategy.
More on this later.

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Bob
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September 18, 2013 12:03 pm

Market Authority Tries/Dies again PCWT.
They dropped this one as a buy to subscribers at 1130 today as a buy around $0.188. Play along at home if you wish but be warned, it was already up 110% BEFORE they gave us the buy signal.
So, is there room enough to make out $25% Passive Income when “someone” has already run the price up?
Are we going to profit, really?
Or are we just the latest round of suckers pumping up the price to be burned?
Add it to your watch list and see for your self.

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September 23, 2013 7:33 am

Bob, Thanks for all the info and the warning to say from market authority. Now, I wonder what the response of Sam Johnson would be to your “bad” experience.

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September 23, 2013 2:15 pm

I tried this for a very short time. At my age it was not for me. I think it’s fairly clever, but not for everyone. I believe this company is one that publishes those magazines in dump and pump small stocks. while small, they could easily be .50 and above and over $1.00. They put out one stock a month. They keep you apprised when one is coming up and when they give the go to buy, you need to be ready. They also let you know when to sell. And sometimes you will go in and out of the same stock.

They started with the advertisement of no loses and you can see the trades. However, the last trade I saw was not a winner. But they are still saying no losses. But they could have gone back in that stock and made some money and keep with the no loses. However, when I asked for my money back they started with a little game. I did
get my money back but I think a lot had to do with my c.c. support
They are still advertising no loses. That was in May that I left, so don’t know.
I believe a publisher who publishes the pump and dump magazines puts, this out. It’s not for me, but it is creative.

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September 30, 2013 11:46 pm

The latest from the Smart Guys at “Market Authority” is how to sell (at a loss) all your holdings in PWEI. As you may recall Jason (alias Sammy) said, ”Everything is still going great for PWEI”, then it was declared a suspicious stock and frozen – locking up investors cash for weeks. Great Deal right? Is this where you want your cash – in a stock you can’t sell – cause its frozen by the Feds! – AND Then when you CAN sell it – NO ONE will want it!
Great stock pick Boys!
SO, I have copied and give their advice below (Scroll down). They say the stock will dive, and if you don’t get the price you want, then lower it until you get the sale. Good Luck! Every other Schmuck who bought into this Market Authority’s ‘Pump & Dump’ will be doing the same thing.

Of their last four picks this is the third loser! Fannie Mae went down in flames. ARTH bit the bag. Now you have a ring-side seat to see PWEI get flushed down the bowl. Their big winner this fall? PCWT made about 6 to 8% which would not come close to the losses you took should you have played their others picks- especially if you paid the $400 to $900 to get their advice.
Also, they will NOT give you your money back when you ask for it.
AVOID THESE GUYS! I WISH I HAD!
Their Message Follows: —————————————————————-

From the desk of Jason Cox
Market Authority CEO, Passive Income Trader Strategist
For: Passive Income Trader
Monday, September 30, 2013
How to sell your PWEI position tomorrow morning:
PWEI will commence trading tomorrow morning.
There is a good chance that it will have a sharp decline at the open making it difficult to sell and then a bounce back upwards after the selloff is over.
Without having been in this exact situation we are recommending that members sell tomorrow morning using limit orders that are a few cents below the bid price.
If you are not filled quickly then lower your asking price until you are closed out of the position.
There is a chance that you’ll have to call your broker to sell your shares rather than be able to sell it electronically, the brokers at Schwab and Ameritrade have stated that they will not know until tomorrow morning.
We’re very sorry this happened with PWEI and it’s the first time in three years of trading and watching this stock promoter that is has ever happened.

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September 30, 2013 11:54 pm

As a reminder “Market Authority” said this was a BUY at 0.095

So just for fun, pretend you had money in it at that price, and see what you could sell it for tomorrow morning!

(and be glad it is just for pretend!)

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October 1, 2013 11:04 am
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FOLLOW UP on Maket Authorities Epic Fail: PWEI
As you saw above, Sammy/Jason got their buyers into PWEI at 0.095 it was then frozen as a suspicious stock by the Feds and is NOW trading at 0.005

Lets see that again:
Bought at 0.095 and sold at 0.005

Just like the FNMA stock that epically tanked in June as soon as they put it in for a BUY, this PWEI stock went down in flames so spectacularly that IF they had said it was a SHORT play they would have been much more clever. But they didnt, and those that trused them are out a lot of money. Their picks suck. Stay away from these clowns and tell you friends to do so too.
This is a cautionary tale from someone who made the mistake of giving them money!

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October 22, 2013 8:52 am

This is the latest “Pump and Dump” from the einsteins at Market Authority. It is a blatent, ‘you should buy this even though we have been paid to promote it’ brochure that they give out. Just wanted to share – so you wont be tempted to buy a membership – I wish I had not!
BE WARNED See message 34 above. Their last pick went from 0.095 to 0.005. That is a drop! Be glad you didnt have any money in it! If you had $9500 in it, after you sold you would have $500. WORST TRADE EVER! Avoid these Turkeys!
PASSIVE INCOME’S PICK TODAY:
Trade Alert: CACL
CACL (Crown Alliance Capital) is our new stock pick.
The upside on today’s pick could be far greater than what were used to with other Passive Income Trader picks.
We expect potential profits ranging from 50-200% intra day today depending on how long our members decide to hold onto their positions.
Because this is a paid advertisement we are not able to issue a direct sell alert you will have to decide when to buy and sell at your own risk.
There is the potential to lose your full investment capital so only trade with money you can afford to lose.
Market Authority expects to be paid up to $250,000 on this advertisement. The full advertisement for this pick will be released shortly before the market opens to PIT members, all of Market Authority’s lists and other publishers this advertiser has hired to bring shareholder awareness to CACL.

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October 22, 2013 9:40 am

FIRST FOLLOW UP : CACL
I just got the junk mail flyer in my in-box.

So – I get the the SAME flyer they send all all the SUCKERS; the only difference is that I spent $400 for mine! See why I dislike this outfit? AVOID THESE GUYS!

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October 27, 2013 6:49 pm

Pardon me, but none of charts of these symbols mentioned in this thread appear to have had a parabolic move or high growth shape: ARTH, CACL, GOFF, PCWT, PWEI, XUII.
The authors wording seems to say that 94% of small cap stocks being promoted will shoot up at least 100%. I was wondering if the author could show where any of his stock picks actually met his own stated performance of 300% or so in about 3 weeks. Yes, I know that some stocks do that, but what percentage of his picks actually do that right after he picked them?

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seamles
October 31, 2013 3:05 am

Thanks Bob for all the great info. I love that stock gumshoe has such a great community. Based on how market authority didn’t do well, do you think the same good for all these stock pickers like Tim Sykes, Jason bond? I saw falcon stocks got good reviews here on stock gumshoe.

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November 3, 2013 9:34 pm

here’s my thought. if i were sam johnson i would buy my shares BEFORE sending out emails to investors. then my investors would to jump in and help drive the price up. i’d take my gain, be it 12.9% or 100% or “whatever”, because my shares were being traded to my investors. no illiquid market for me!!!!!
to maximize profits i would sell in increments, a big sale first then smaller increments to try to cash in all the way to the top. i’d go the extra mile and attempt to measure volume metrics after i send my email and let that provide guidance when i should take that first big cut.
the frosting on the cake is the high price of the newsletter as a bonus! what a deal!
my approach, i watch stocks with options covered by a large number of analysts. when they project solid earnings, good upside potential but little downside risk, i buy deep in the money calls (with little premium) about six months out. many times a 20% stock price increase generates a 100% gain. and if the stock goes down, and some will, you get the option premium as you approach the spot to cushion your loss.

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