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Con men sell you just what you wish you had, even when they do not have it. That is RJ. He sells some nice and convincing theory of time value of options, and promises you that if you just buy/sell option spreads that he recommends to you and then you exit per his instructions or just before close on expiration date, you will make money. It turns out what the guy actually does is place those option spreads, then once entered, he is pasted on his computer placing a series of adjustment trades. His time value theory is nice, but… Read More »

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I don’t agree based on my experience.

wes
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Dallas, can you give more detail ? maybe a screenshot of your trade ledger ?
same question for M….
i’m about to do a review of an options con man and i’m going to show my trade ledger…

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ADL
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Please tell us your experience. Which program, what you learned, if you profited. All the stuff I am getting are from 12 years ago.

Chad
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I know Ryan very well, he’s no con man. He’s of high integrity and is brutally honest.
Ask a trading icon like Larry Williams, who opined Ryan’s book, he knows Ryan well.
Ryan doesn’t ‘promise’ anything, that’s a complete misrepresentation.

Lastly, I respectfully disagree with your perception and characterizations on numerous counts in regards to Ryan’s trading approach(s)— Trust me, I fully understand the approach, logic, and the commitment required for long-term trading survival.

Good luck and best regards.

Chad

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He has been selling a signal system with a strange option spread based of last year’s Risk Free Projection Weekly Report that was a complete success, Up 4 times in on of the 3 months. Now is there any one reading this that received it, that is in this program, who know of anyone that is affilieated with this new Risk Free Projection type stuff. I would like to know if it is real and can make money. Apparently, this guy has been prolifically putting out programs for 15 years. But on the other hand he has placed and won… Read More »

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I have tracked 4 of his program signals over the last two years, and only one of them made some money (none of them have been making money recently, and if they make money for a few weeks, then the profits tend to quickly disappear shortly thereafter). The guy is a GREAT marketer – but his trading ideas simply don’t work. The Risk Free Projection stuff is an improvement over some of the past ideas – but still is based upon the same basically flawed assumptions, that he has been using for the last few years. I have placed hundreds… Read More »

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“Risk Free Projection” is a completely misleading titled concept. You are better off to think of that name as a catchy title for what amounts to placing a preliminary trade under aberrant conditions where you are able to bring in enough credit on a diagonal trade that you will not lose money if the hedge further time out option does not lose a “projected amount of value”. Or you can augment the trade once it is making money by putting on additional parts to the trade thereby improving its possibilities. It is all about gaming price movement, which Ryan Jones… Read More »

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There is ZERO intent to mislead, with “Risk Free Projection”. It is a factual and truthfully titled concept, it’s a ‘projection’, or a “possibility”… not a guarantee of anything. All of this is fully and completely explained and disclosed in great detail. No options pricing model on the planet is 100% accurate, but when it displays as ‘risk-free’, it can and should ONLY be approached as a “projection”, which is 100% truthful. Obviously, markets move and time passes, so you attempt to make enhancements along the way, to get it back to an RFP. Also, when volatility gets pulled out… Read More »

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Chad
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Here’s how to build trades, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuvD-c3BpcU

Tim
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The real issue is not his reputation. The question is does what he sell make profits. From Ben’s response earlier it seems that it does not really make a profit. I am in another of his programs no offered to the general public. It is up less than 10% over 10 years.

Chad
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Full disclosure, I work with Ryan Jones on joint venture projects and business development initiatives within the trading world. Lastly, I’ve met, talked to and trained 1000’s of traders face-to-face. I use to trade all the time, on a professional level. It was tough. It was challenging, but I loved it. I had to mess up allot, and fast, to learn lessons. I’m a part-time trader now, and former RIA as well. My point, I do not know everything about trading, never will, but I do have a fairly strong grasp on the topic of trading and the markets. Confession,… Read More »

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havalife
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Kind words for an individual that says you can take $5000 and make millions in a few years. Ryan Jones took in $3000 each from a large group of traders, promising they would have the opportunity to continue trading that money with his assistance and guidance until they got back what they paid and that it was likely to happen in 6 months or less. The program fell apart. Only about 10% of the teams even generated a profit Nobody got back their money as he made probably well over $100,000. That sucks worse than an 8 year old who… Read More »

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On your 2 points… First—The compounding plan is a goal, not a guarantee. The $5k to $1MM, not Million(S) in 5 years is based on realistic math, and proper compounding. It’s centered around the key component of max risk exposure, then you build the position sizing plan based on account equity increase/decrease…Assuming the max risk exposure is less than $125 in this example, the long-term plan can work, you don’t need to make a killing… you only need to ‘average’ a small weekly profit ($60) to compound your profits. I use it successfully to this day, along with many other… Read More »

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Chad, you are a pathetic excuse of a shill. I won’t call Ryan a con artist, but he’s close. Slick marketing, making money selling, NOT helping others make money.

havalife
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DO NOT FALL FOR RYAN JONES’ PayDay Stocks HYPE!!! I signed up for a program where he set up groups of 3 or 4, about 12 teams, I think. Each was assigned a certain way of trading, which he suggested would all have equal chance of winning if they just consistently followed the trade criteria for their assigned approach. Out of the ~$3000 each provided , we were given a team account of $5000 with IB to trade as a team. IB later shut down the team trading. We were all guaranteed that if we did not make enough on… Read More »

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To continue the conversation… I spoke to the head of oversight within Ryan’s organization to confirm, they said it was a complete administrative nightmare to manage, you have no clue how much of disaster. Several teams totally did not follow the trading rules or plan, they acted like complete gamblers, and some almost blew out the accounts. Some made HUGE order execution mistakes and errors. Several of them fell into this aforementioned category. Most simply wouldn’t follow the trading rules Ryan laid out. The ones that followed the rules were the ones making a profit. But most accounts had lost… Read More »

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havalife
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Chad, you are completely right. He set up a disaster. And if you go back to his rules, his entire intent was for us to learn for ourselves how to trade. In his opening sales pitch, he said bluntly that even if we blew out our account, we were assured we would be allowed to continue to trade the account until we made our money back. My team followed the rules. We had the biggest gains at one point, and we had the largest losses at another. One of the approved procedures was putting on different trades within the same… Read More »

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Chad
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I’d recommend contacting customer support, they’re good people, and will bend over backwards to help anyone. My understanding (after the administrative nightmare debacle) is they’ve given, free of charge, a lot of additional value in the way of video training’s, signal program’s, and additional product access benefits… Ask them about getting access to TradePartner software, it’s awesome.

Take care.
Chad

Tim
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Chad, you seem to be doing a great job of defending him. Have you actually used any of his programs and made money? Great talk but put put money behind it.

Joe
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Chad is a shill for RJ. Maybe it IS RJ

Joe
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Dear havelife,
I have a month looking @ different option trading teaching services and looks like all of them are money generating machines for their own pockets. Is there anything you can recommend me to take a look at?
Thank you very much.

havalife
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Joe, I would suggest you spend some time getting a good feel for what is freely available on Youtube.com. You are already way ahead of the game because you are looking at what StockGumshoe.com provides . Beyond that, you may want to satisfy your continuing desire for knowledge, and understand that knowledge is not necessarily equivalent to making money trading. There are certain relationships in trading that are directly based on probabilities. I would think a good understanding of your own desire of what to trade is one of the hardest concepts to wrap your mind around. Stocks or options?… Read More »

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