Here’s the lead-in to the teaser pitch about “infinite lithium” that’s generating some questions from Gumshoe readers:
“Inside one of the world’s most advanced facilities, a small 65-member team has perfected:
‘Infinite Lithium’
“Scientists have developed a technology for creating an infinite supply of super-rich lithium right here in America WITHOUT having to mine a single ounce.
“Major billion-dollar automakers have already signed huge deals with this little-known firm…
“And it could turn every $500 into $39,915 for early movers…”
And he proceeds to lay it on pretty thick…
“A small 65-person team of engineers just changed the course of America’s energy history…
“And it could have a MASSIVE impact on you and your family’s financial future…
“One that could ignite an epic stock run capable of turning every $500 into $39,915 for early investors.
“In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if this elite team won the Nobel Prize….
“Currently, this firm can create enough material to power a whopping 20,000 electric cars a year.”
So what’s the story? Well, it’s a teaser pitch for Energy Investor, Keith Kohl’s energy-focused newsletter over at Angel Publishing ($99/yr) — and the general push is that lithium is going to soon run into a supply-demand imbalance, as the major producers in Australia, China and South America just aren’t making enough to meet the demand that the EV industry is expected to have over the next decade.
That has crept into lithium prices, of course, so buying lithium now will cost you 3-4X what it cost 18 months ago, and that’s sending the stock prices of most lithium-related stocks, primarily the mining companies, soaring higher. The ad’s undated, though seems quite new — we started to see it make the rounds last week.
But it’s not a mining stock that’s being teased, it’s something a bit different — here’s some more of the tease:
“Lithium mining stocks are white hot.
“But this company I’ve been telling you about, with its “Infinite Lithium” technology, is about to blow all of these gains out of the water.
“Because this stock is unlike ANY other in the lithium space. It’s groundbreaking….
“… this firm has just built the largest “Infinite Lithium” factory in North America.
“It’s a $175 million state-of-the-art facility, and it’s right here in the good ol’ USA…
“With construction underway for several more of these unique facilities across the country in places like Arizona and Alabama.
“And the more labs this company has, the more lithium it can produce.
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So what’s this all about? Not lithium mining, but lithium-ion battery recycling — and the company being hinted at here, sez the Mighty, Mighty Thinkolator, is Li-Cycle, which merged with the Peridot SPAC to come public last year. The transaction was announced about a year ago and closed back in August, so they’ve been publicly traded at ticker LICY for almost six months… time enough, these days, for a little boom to $14 a share and a bust back down to $7, where it trades right now, looking as disappointed as a lot of the other once-hot SPAC mergers.
In case you’re one of the warrant enthusiasts out there, note that the SPAC warrants for LICY have been called for redemption, so will be redeemed tomorrow — I didn’t read the details in their filings, but that redemption could potentially be at a huge loss for shareholders who didn’t elect to exercise or do a cashless exercise of the shares. Clearing out those warrants is likely to be good for LICY in the long run, but depending on what investors choose to do it could also lift the share count a bit.
Here’s how the company describes itself:
“Founded in Toronto in 2016, Li-Cycle is an industry-leading lithium-ion battery resource recovery company and the largest lithium-ion battery recycler in North America. Li-Cycle is on a mission to leverage its innovative Spoke & Hub technologies to provide a customer-centric, end-of-life solution for lithium-ion batteries, while creating a secondary supply of critical battery materials. Lithium-ion rechargeable batteries are increasingly powering our world in automotive, energy storage, consumer electronics, and other industrial and household applications. The world needs improved technology and supply chain innovations to better manage the end-of-life of these batteries–and to meet the rapidly growing demand for critical and scarce battery-grade materials through a closed-loop solution.”
So… the plan is to take the scrap from the battery manufacturers (they say waste is 5-10% at battery manufacturing plants), and they take rejects and “end of life” batteries that are discarded, they tear that stuff apart (literally, shredding the batteries), and create a “sludge” of the chemicals at their spoke locations, and they ship that sludge to their “hub” location(s) to refine it and create new battery-grade materials (mostly lithium carbonate, cobalt sulfate and nickel sulfate). There are other companies that recycle lithium batteries, but they say theirs stands apart by being more efficient and less environmentally troublesome (most of the others use high-temperature refining, so emissions are much higher). The immediate high-volume opportunity is in processing waste from battery manufacturers, with battery plants sprouting up like weeds these days, but the expected “tsunami” of business in the future will come from EVs reaching “end of life” and being recycled.
The ad includes quite a bit of hyperbole, as you might imagine — Kohl says that the company can “currently” produce enough lithium for 20,000 EVs a year, and that they’ve “just built” their $175 million “infinite lithium” factory — and that’s jumping the gun a bit. The preliminary locations they have built now, their “spokes” in New York and Ontario, cost far less than that, and they have barely begun to shred batteries and produce the raw material (black mass) that can be refined back into battery metals, but they’re only doing that first shredding step right now — they have to build their larger processing plant in Rochester before they can actually move up the value chain and sell battery metals instead of selling that “black mass” to other refiners. That big plant is the expensive refinery “hub”, it was indeed announced as a $175 million project, but is now likely to cost 2-3X that amount (more on that in a minute).
LiCycle is building its “hub” location in Rochester, NY, and they say they’re on track to have that operational at some point in 2023, and that will be fed by several “spoke” locations, starting with those near battery manufacturers, who can process that waste and also be near collection points for scrapped EVs in the future. They’d like to go global in the future, with several more major hubs and spokes in important parts of the world… and they see demand increasing dramatically as governments push for more efficient recycling of EV batteries. The photos that Kohl shows in his “presentation” are of one of the spokes, a mechanical operation that shreds the material to create the sludge that is sent to the (not yet built) hub, so it’s still very early days, but they do say that they have “onboarded” 14 new customers in the last quarter, and added a fourth planned “spoke” location in Alabama to accompany their planned spoke in Arizona and the existing Ontario and Rochester, NY locations (they also have a shredding “spoke” in Rochester, in addition to the planned hub, which is actually where those presentation photos come from).
Until the big project in Rochester is built, it sounds like they’re doing their shredding and primary processing and then selling the “black mass” to third parties for refining, and that things are ramping up as they expected, with their Rochester and Ontario facilities generating net revenue of $1.6 million in the third quarter last year (they processed a total of 524 tonnes of “black mass” in those facilities to get started that quarter, so that number is roughly 1% of what each of those spokes is planning to be able to process in a year), and the first phases of their Alabama and Arizona spoke locations should be completed sometime in 2022 and start generating revenue.
And I mentioned that it’s not really a $175 million project anymore — the Rochester recycling facility was simultaneously upsized and delayed a bit by a new deal with battery manufacturer LG, announced and detailed in this presentation in mid-December , so the completion of that facility and the beginning of their “ramp up” to full capacity are now expected to happen sometime in 2023, which should probably push of that original SPAC deal projection that they’ll be cash-flow positive in 2024 by at least a little bit…. but with the LG financing added to their cash, they say the plant is fully funded, so that’s good. Permitting and construction are the order of the day right now.
I love the story, it’s good that they have deals with several battery manufacturers, and it’s clear there is a need for more and better battery recycling capacity to go along with this boom in electric vehicles… I just don’t really have a handle on the economics of the business, beyond the probably-too-rosy high-margin illustrations provided in the original SPAC presentation. The whole thing strikes me as pretty risky, at least until they can prove that their Rochester hub facility for refining valuable battery metals can be effective and profitable at scale (the spokes are important too, but they’re trivial in comparison — according to their various presentations, a “spoke” facility for shredding might only cost $4 million in initial capital expenditures, but as I read it this first hub now has a planned capital investment of $485 million). There’s clearly a big potential market, and therefore a big opportunity, but they’re also taking a big swing with this new facility, since they also depend on the cash flow from that facility helping to finance their expansion going out a few years from now… and I don’t know enough yet to make a reasonable guess at whether or not they’ll hit a home run.
This week could be a big one for them, they report their earnings on January 27th… so the story could certainly change a bit by then, this will be their first full quarter since the deal formally closed, and it will include their projections for 2022, which I assume will be different than the plans outlined in their original SPAC presentation. They should have closed that SPAC merger with about $530 million in cash after redemptions (only about 15% of the SPAC shares were redeemed for cash before the deal closed, which isn’t bad for a deal that closed in mid-2021, when SPAC shares were being redeemed right and left), so they’re in decent shape and have some big partners as they begin their key construction project. For now, color me intrigued… but not invested. We’ll see how it goes. If you’ve looked into this one, or have any other experience with the notion of recycling battery materials, please do jump in and share your thoughts with a comment below.
P.S. In case you’re curious about the “extra” special reports Keith Kohl offers as bait for his subscription offer, the “undiscovered tech company behind the coming Trifuel-238 Revolution” pitch is about Lightbridge, we covered that back in August here… and the “Apex Charger” pitch about life-changing gains from the EV revolution hints at the company with leading market share in the US charging business, with “more than 14,000 locations” — I haven’t written about that one lately, but it pretty well has to be Chargepoint (CHPT), one of the early leaders among publicly traded EV charging companies (I wrote about a bunch of those a year ago when they were all being teased and most were in the midst of SPAC mergers, they’ve all come down quite dramatically since then).
I will need to look at their process. ABML has started construction of their first facility already. I would guess they are a few years out from any real gains. Love the closed circle idea from recyclers.
Reminds me of ABML
I love the idea of the technology and the product. Would I buy it….NO. After looking at their website, this whole recycling scheme smells like $AQMS. $AQMS (Aqua Metal) the once vaunted company that would use a “hydro” process, shades of $LICY”, instead of smelting to recycle lead batteries and also it was hinted at lithium batteries. $AQMS had a modular process that would allow nearly infinite expansion. After years of hype $AQMS is now reduced to licensing their technology to other companies instead of manufacturing it (where the money was). $AQMS has now struggled along for the last 4 years as a classic penny stock (always selling for under $2, every 2-3 years doing a reverse split, never any profits, never a dividend, etc.). Their early days of promise turned to ashes.
$LICY talks about a patented system. Their hazy explanation of what was patented – their battery destruction process or their “hub & spoke” system – left a lot to be desired. Also their system could be patented….but who holds the patent? What is the patent for? How does the process work? Is it modular? etc.
So I would avoid this stock like the plague until they have a mature technology, business, and outlook unless you would like to be strung along for years and be broken financially & mentally by well-meaning business people.
Well put, I knew there was something tickling my memory — AQMS was the “Turkey of the Year” stock in 2017, and yes, as I remember it, their business plan and strategy also sounded quite appealing, and they were a small copmany but had some good partners lined up for their battery recycling business. It’s still down about 90% from where it was teased.
What’s about Electra Battery Materials in Ontario? https://electrabmc.com/
Ahead? On time! Or too late?
I was in them for a while and put a tight 10% stop on the price, glad I did as it has just fallen, in at $9.63 and out at $8.80, it’s $7.31 and given sentiment I can’t see if going anywhere positive anytime soon. At $5 might be worth a look again
I should add that I’ve done ok out of Lithium miners this year hence the reason for the investment here
What a load of BS. I haven’t seen any alternative energy stocks that brag about efficiency. None of them are efficient. If we want “endless” energy, why don’t we go back to developing breeder reactors.
Very good solution recycling the lithium and need just out they landed a deal with a company on Norway which is one of the top environmental countries on earth….definitely will be loading up after the market bottoms out after the crash that has begun. Been sharing this with others…
Will be interesting how TSLA will trade tomorrow after mentioning supply chain shortages. So far that has been the kiss of death for both ROKU and slower subscription forecast in NFLX case. That said MSFT closed at $296.71 only up 2.65% off it’s high of $308.50 which took place right after Fed announcement. Don’t get me wrong Elon is a genius and in long run the stock will do great but the market this year will likely take down even the best nasdaq companies TSLA being in top 5. The market is in take profits on the news mode which today clearly showed. Several of the big money managers such as Carl Icahn and Jeremy Grantham and several others have been warning about how this super bubble could end up worse than 2000 dot com and housing bubble of 2008 as stocks, commodities and housing are all near highs at same time despite 40 yr high inflation at 7% and those bubbles didn’t have covid supply chain shortages that will make recovery slower once market enters a bear market recession scenario. That said I didn’t listen back in dot com bubble and took a big hit and failed to hedge . This time I’m not holding stocks but am shorting nasdaq with leap Jan 2023 puts. The writing is on the wall and TSLA still has a 300 PE and as of last Dec the S&P 500 average PE was 39 vs historical avg. of 15 so it will like see a 50% or more decline when this correction turns into an official the crash worse than dot com bubble that took Nasdaq 15 years to get back to over 5000 after it’s crash. Here going on just 7 years later Nasdaq went up over 11,000 and it’s still overvalued after many tech stocks already down 50 to 80%.
Other than that Mrs .Lincoln, how did you like the play?
Regards,
Frank
One of the Irregulars mentioned, half a year ago, that some other company was doing some Li recycling too. It had a name that sounded like a miner. Maybe LODE?
I didn’t look very closely…
Hi! as an industrial chemist I worked a lot with lithium metal. It is in the same table group as sodium and potassium and salts will dissolve easily in weak acids….like acetic (= vinegar)/ The Aussies are doing other metal isolations with ion exchange resins (just like water softener technology. ) I have long thought that Li batteries expirei. I have a dead one from my leaf blower right now..so the idea of regeneration should be highly timely. The separation from the Ni etc should not be too difficult…Ni precipitates instantly with dimethylglyoxime..solution..but Li stays in solution with it .
I bought a little Lightbridge, Travis… the nuclear concept is not ridiculous……I’ll maybe get some of the LICY .also…..I.don’t know why you have to mash the batteries…acid percolation would work easily, I would think.
Thanks for all of your diagnostics Travis…..comparwed with thoswe hype artists you are a breath of fresh air
Ceeers! John
Welcome Dr – it’s great to hear from people who actually work in a scientific field!
Could you please repeat the sentence about ‘ I have long thought that Li batteries expirei.’
Just remember potential isn’t sales.. And I never like a start up or low cost equity out of Canada. It seems all of these newsletters have some valve when it comes to broadcast and discover small companies. Thats a plus. but the practicality of investment doesn’t exist
Here’s a question for you, Travis… I’ve been a subscriber for years, on and off, and would like to know…have you ever positively covered a new stock (I’m thinking AMZN) before it boomed (AMZN is up around 1500x since it’s beginnings as an online book seller? These are the biggies we investors really want to see covered, and continually monitored as they continue to grow and grow. Now THAT would be well worth your $7 subscription price. BTW, have you any such stock in mind RIGHT NOW? THANKS for your time.
Wow… leewebb … you are one hell of a…. whatever you want to call yourself… I wish you wereN’t here at Stock Gumshoe…. because … this service is probably not for you….
Sure. I just don’t know which ones will work out. I covered Netflix at $14 and wasn’t quite convinced enough to buy it… and also covered Shopify at $30 and finally decided to buy when it was around $60…. but I didn’t buy Amazon until it was already at $800. Sometimes I get them right, sometimes not, but the smaller they are, and the further they are from generating real revenue and proving that the business model works, the riskier the story.
Your observation is interesting not least because I can actually see where you are coming from but it’s worth noting that we’re all grown ups here and the articles Travis writes are there to be a counter weight to the Super Ultra positive spin that a seller of these newsletters will put on the tips. To use Amazon as an example is unfair as it against all the odds flourished but that is 20/20 hindsight.
Warren Buffett is famous for saying that you’d be lucky to find 20 stocks to invest in during your life, if nothing else Travis as a counterweight earns his keep by flagging issues.
You will see I was in this by my comments above, as it happens a mechanical rule (10% stop) got me out but re reading this and some of the comments, if I was still in, it would be in a small way.
Think of this site/forum as your guilty conscience and you won’t feel too bad about missing out on the next big one. For $60 per year it is impossible find something equivalent, I subscribe to paid articles on Seeking Alpha and whilst I get great benefit from them, the writers are often overly optimistic about what they promote, it’s like martial arts, my art is the greatest and why wouldn’t be after all I practise it.
So what happens when 1. Battery Technology goes solid or another direction & Lithium,Cobalt, etc are not needed 2. Onboard hydrogen production from H20 (1950’s Submarine Tech) finally is exposed to the public making EV’s from a cost & pollution standpoint the fallacy they are? Follow the Money
Interesting thoughts – pointing to who has the power to develop and deny development often wins, with little coattails. More than a decade ago Canadian company MCEL, with great scientific CEO, produced safe hydrogen-on-demand (created when H ready to go into engine without high pressure tanks) – for cars, buses, and fixed power units, using common boron and water for activation. MCEL successfully sold the Canadian government fixed units that worked, and tested 30 Mercedes buses in Germany, also successfully. Admittedly, there would be need for support infrastructure for mobile applications, BUT General Motors killed the company/shelved the tech, including in the process somehow getting to exercise $23 options at $7 (when no one else could) to own enough of the company to stall it. MCEL’s CEO resigned in exasperation.
I’ve invested in Li Cycle already. There is a great investment case (only in german) from Frank Thelen (a famous venture investor and TV host, aka the Cathy Woods of Germany). Target price for in 2025 is 26 USD. try google translate https://10xdna.com/de/expertise/li-cycle-research/
LICY was teased back in Oct. by MoneyMapReport, I believe. Put it on my watch list and since that tease it’s down 40%.
One major question is whether or not the Lithium recycling venture can produce Li in a high enough grade that it will be suitable for re-use as automobile batteries, or any high grade batteries for that matter. All substances used in batteries degrade over time and lithium is no exception. It’s well known that Li can be recycled for low use batteries, but not recycled for high use batteries. Maybe they have made a technological breakthrough, but I would consider any such claim to be dubious.
20,000 rv. Cars is only a drop in the bucket. So yaa ,,, probably is infinite at that rate
Great Reveal!
Hi. I see the original article was from early 2022. Now on Oct. 8, 2023, I have just received an email with link to what appears to be the exact same promo video – concerning “infinite lithium.” I didn’t listen to the entire pitch, but came here right away to get accurate information – but the promo video does start out with the exact same info and promises – such as, “could turn every $500 into $39,915 for early movers…” I have checked and 5 years ago, LICY was $13.85 a share, but over past 5 yrs it has gradually dropped to three dollar range, dropping 67.77% over 5 years, continuing to drop during the past one month. Chaikin has rated LICY as “bearish” and says there is no substantial insider purchase of shares, though the report also says that Wall Street is saying LICY is a “Buy.” The Rochester plant is under construction. Yahoo finance has numerous news items concerning LICY, and also shows price targets by various experts as ranging from $4.00 to $9.00, with average price target being $7.13 and current price $3.12. Yahoo finance shows the majority of ratings are “buy.” But it’s definitely no lottery ticket, and it is not going to turn $500 into $39,915 as Angel Publishing suggested it might, or or at least no one other than Angel suggests anything like that kind of expectation. I just thought it was worthwhile to share this update since Angel is apparently sharing same video again or perhaps a redo that could have partially updated though I didn’t watch the entire video to find out. The “Infinite Lithium” video tease by Angel Publishing is here https://secure2.angelpub.com/o/web/624535?utm_optipub=email-article&identifier=d462b7e9373d4bd5a3ca328ff20101d7&utm_referrer=64 and an investor presentation by LICY is here https://investors.li-cycle.com/events-and-presentations/presentations/default.aspx (from mid-August 2023)