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Sjuggerud: “The Secret Currency”

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, March 11, 2008

I’ve had dozens of readers send this one along, most with a long line of question marks. The teaser has been around for a while (a couple years, as far as I can tell), but it continues to spark interest — especially with the dollar at ridiculous lows, inflation fears bubbling, and gold near $1,000 an ounce (yeeks!)

The teaser has a few clues for us about what this “secret currency” is, but mostly the story is built on the aspiration to true robber-baron wealth that the gummint can’t get their mitts on — we hear the story of the Rothschilds, whose vast riches were built on Mayer Rothschild’s expertise with this “secret currency,” and we hear about a few other famously wealthy families, mostly around the turn of the last century, who built or protected their wealth using this “secret currency.”

So what the heck is it?

It’s related to gold, but “It has nothing to do with mining stocks, mutual funds, options, futures, or bullion.”

Man, that cuts the options down significantly.

One of the owners of the Boston Red Sox used it “to amass a fortune worth more than $15 million.”

It was banned on March 9th, 1933 by Roosevelt, a ban that held up for 41 years.

And there are several knockout examples provided of the returns possible through this investment … here are a couple:

  • “From 1972 to 1974, this investment rose 348%, according to an index that keeps track of its market as a whole. At the same time, stocks dropped 34% according to the S&P 500 Stock market index.
  • From 1976 to 1980, while the stock market plummeted 35% according to the S&P 500 Index, the investment I want to tell you about realized 1,195% profits.”

Sounds pretty good, eh? What do you want to bet that the current market malaise, and “so thick you could cut it with a knife” nervous tension of the investing public were the inspiration for the quick return of this teaser ad?

It is also noted in the ad that …

“In fact, the last time the Salomon Brothers brokerage firm included this vehicle in its annual investment survey … THE SECRET CURRENCY RANKED #1 OVER THE PRIOR 20 YEAR-SPAN with an annual return of 17.3%. In other words, it was the single most profitable thing you could do with your money.”

So … this secret is apparently revealed, hopefully with much fanfare, in the special report they’d like to send you, entitled “The Secret Currency — How the World’s Wealthiest Families Make Money Even When Stocks, Bonds and Real Estate Lose Value.”

It’ll cost you $49. That’s the current sale price for the True Wealth newsletter, which I guess is normally $99. And I’m sure they’ll throw in a passel of special reports for you too.

The Gumshoe, however, is somewhat short of fanfare … and I left my pomp and circumstance in my other pants. So I’ll just have to come right out and tell you that this investment is …

Gold coins.

Yep … that’s right, no ticker symbol or anything, you can’t get these through Scottrade. Actual collectible gold coins.

When Sjuggerud talks about gold coins outperforming other indexes in that Salomon Brothers survery, that refers to surveys that they stopped doing a while ago because they weren’t accurately tracking the wide array of gold coins available for collectors and investors. More recent performance figures cited use the more modern index, referred to either as the CU 3000 or the PGCS 3000 index, and the performance numbers they cite certainly seem to be legit from my glance at those charts. More info about that is available from PGCS (the Professional Coin Grading Service … which is, coincidentally, owned by a public company, Collectors Universe).

There are at least dozens of fairly high profile shops and advisers online who would like to advise you about buying gold coins and even buy them and store them for you (though that gets rid of some of the fun of holding them in your greasy little paws and cackling with Scrooge McDuck glee), and there are plenty of actual marketplaces as well. Or you can do what plenty of people do and go to an actual coin store, where they still exist. You can even buy new ones directly from the US Government, if you’re leery of all the different varieties and the reputation of the shops and advisers (I certainly don’t know which ones are any good).

There are all kinds of gold coins — most people have heard of the US gold coins, which were still being minted as legal tender (the American Eagle coins). There are also at least a half dozen other countries that have recently minted gold coins, including South African Krugerrands, Canadian Maple Leafs, UK Sovereigns, etc. The benefit of the contemporary gold coins is that there are a lot of them, there is a standard market, and they all have a set gold content that is guaranteed by their government.

In recent memory, modern gold coins have generally traded at a small premium to the price of gold — so you can buy uncirculated gold coins from the US Mint directly, for example, for about $1050 for a one ounce coin, which is probably something less than a 10% premium to gold bullion, depending on the purity of the coin and the actual market price of gold (I didn’t look it up today). I expect the secondary market prices aren’t that much different.

So, should you? It really depends on you. It’s your money. I don’t own any gold coins, but I know a number of people who do, and they’re not all conspiracy theorists who are preparing for the apocalypse. I know Sjuggerud has recommended a variety of collectibles in his various newsletters, and he often mentions collecting things like classic guitars and other antiques, but for me that kind of investing takes far too much personal expertise … and besides, my closets are pretty small. That doesn’t mean that collecting unique items of any kind can’t be a good investing idea, as long as you’re not relying just on that for your retirement … and as long as you’re not talking about Beanie Babies.

It’s possible, maybe even likely, that Sjuggerud is talking about focusing on genuinely rare gold coins, which are priced dramatically higher (while modern gold coins trade at 5% or so above the price of the gold they contain, genuinely rare or ancient coins obviously trade much higher, even as they may still fluctuate with the price of gold to some degree). The really rare stuff would scare me because of my very limited knowledge of numismatics and the collecting marketplace, but the modern gold coins, which have pretty accessible markets and can even be bought directly from the government, make a certain degree of sense to me. Especially if you do happen to have a small part of your soul that believes “they” are going to come for you one day, and you’ll need a few gold coins in your pocket to make a run for it.

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So I certainly can see the logic of putting a portion of your portfolio into gold, and it’s true that gold coins had some remarkable returns over the years for a variety of reasons, but I can’t tell you whether it makes more sense to buy gold coins (remember, you’ll have to store them somewhere — and probably not in the change jar on your dresser) or to buy shares of the Gold exchange traded fund, or a bar of bullion, or shares of a mining company or any of the other variety of investments that trade in a circle around the price of the yellow stuff.

Is anyone out there in Gumshoe Land a coin collector or gold enthusiast? I’m sure you can find the mistakes I’ve made above, and I hope you can share some wisdom with us.

And I’ll keep looking out for collectible oil — anyone wanna keep a few barrels of West Texas Crude in their basement?

Happy investing, all.

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Dave
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May 13, 2008 9:06 pm

Travis, LOVE the site, hate those 8-page teaser emails. Thanks for cutting through the clutter.

Problem, though — I’m left with the impression that you look like the guy in your ad at the top of the page. (Of course, if you revealed your identity, that would take away from the “gumshoe” mystique.)

brenda
brenda
May 13, 2008 9:42 pm

Thanks Dave! I don’t know if the world is ready for my unique brand of awesome handsomeness, but perhaps I’ll add a photo someday.

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Dizzyedge
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May 13, 2008 11:54 pm

I figured it was b.s. but I just had to validate. Oh well, I guess I’ll never own a baseball team! Thanks for what you do.

Andrew Murray
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May 15, 2008 10:37 am

This company makes modern coinage that qualifies as religious shekels, so it’s non-confiscatable:
http://www.jwspaidtosave.com/christiangold

mary
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mary
May 16, 2008 11:32 am

Thanks for the info. gumshoe! No sense in paying for information you can get for free. And people can make tons of money online selling all types of info. that can be researched and learned on the internet for free. Glad I learned how to google before parting with my money.

Fox
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Fox
July 30, 2008 5:28 am

Is it available worldwide or nationals of just a few countries can go for such an opportunity ? ?

Barry
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Barry
November 28, 2008 11:25 pm

Does any one know if the three Pope John Paul coin set put out by the Vatican in gold have any special value (two sizes in cameo pfoof?). Three coins each with one of the pope john pauls.
My parents brought them back from Rome in 1981.
Thanks!
Barry

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Tom
March 2, 2009 9:11 pm

Somehow I got the impression the secret currency is the US gold certificate (coin notes) which state “[ten/twenty] dollars in gold coin payable to the bearer on demand.”

The exact potential gain of 665% has no basis for St Gaudens or any other gold coin, to my knowledge. Especially if it is a subjective numismatic valuation. No certainty for MS-63 to 65 prices.

If you go to ebay and search on gold, you will see coins and coin notes for sale. Notice how many bids are being placed on the gold certificate coin notes. Hmm. Are they all mistaken? I’d like to hear some opinions.

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Tom
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Tom
March 3, 2009 4:22 pm

“Dr.” Sjuggerud’s massive pitch letters, not unreasanobaly, invariably omit to tout some of his past bombs. In terms of currencies, he memorably recommended Argentine bonds as safe (government bonds, right? So they msut be safe) and rewarding… just before one of the Argie governments-of-the-day unilaterally cancelled its USD denominated foreign debt in 2001. The issue is still being debated to this day and many bondholders are not giving up their suits against the Argentine government.

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Donx
April 1, 2009 4:48 pm

I’ve doubled my money by buying gold bullion coins since 2005. You need to do a dance between eBay and the bullion distributors. For a long time bullion was cheaper on eBay until demand skyrocketed after TARP. Gold spot prices are obviously manipulated; the real value of the coins can be determined by what people will pay for them on eBay. As demand increased, one could get as much as $130 for a tenth-ounce coin when spot was around $900 an ounce. At this point, the bullion dealers are cheaper because their prices are based on spot prices. You just need to be savvy about the size of your purchase to minimize handling and shipping costs. I always go through the whole checkout process just prior to confirming and then figure out my total price per coin. They sometimes add “handling charges” at the last minute, so be careful. Also, credit card purchases are charged more. From there I can make comparisons with other bullion suppliers and eBay and then choose the best buy. I prefer 1/10 ounce coins because they are easier to resell and ship without having to worry so much. Many people are willing to trade for them even now; I won’t do it because I know gold is going to skyrocket once the Asian carry trade unwinds and the dollar plunges. Also it is easier to buy one or two at a time on eBay at bargain prices. An order of 10 1/10 oz coins worked out to $114 per coin the other day from a bullion company. Right now on eBay you can only do about as good at best; I chose the bullion supplier at this point for the convenience of buying several coins at once.

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johnk
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April 1, 2009 10:58 pm

As I read these comments it becomes apparent (not just these comments) that most people expect to pay $50 to $100, buy a few stocks or secret currency picked by a newsletter writer and become overnight multimillionares.

Gold has had better returns over the past ten years than my managed 457b stock fund.

I have a meager holding of just a few gold coins, both new and old. They are worth substantially more on Ebay than I paid.

I also have just a few silver coins. They are only slighlty higher on Ebay than I paid.

I think you should buy a few collectibles in the best grades you can afford, and buy some junk coins for the bullion content and spend accordingly.

Dr. S. is not the all knowing, all seeing demi-god that everyone expects. His ideas are supposed to help people make their OWN investment decisions, not make the decisions for you. At $49. a year he has lots of inspiring ideas. But they are only ideas.

I bought SA at 12.something. I’m happy.

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Bob
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Bob
November 20, 2009 9:50 am

I guess this has been going on for a while… just got the 8 page ad.

Thank you for providing an antidote to the hype…

Richard
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Richard
October 27, 2010 7:50 pm

I think its about time to start shorting gold.

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trapper
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trapper
October 28, 2010 12:25 am

FDR made everybody turn in their gold to the Government in 1933. What makes people think the Government would not do it again?

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Bigg Fredd
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Bigg Fredd
October 28, 2010 1:59 am

It's a common misconception that the gubmint required individuals to turn in gold coins.

Banks were required to turn them in as they came in, and individuals had to turn in gold scrap, but individuals were allowed to keep I think 5-10 of each date and denomination coin.

The fact that the gubmint didn't require individuals to turn in coins is the logic for why you should hold gold in that form.

Of course, there's no guarantee that the gubmint would allow any exemptions if they decided to confiscate gold.

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delvin
November 5, 2010 1:57 am

i have nothing against collector's coins..
but i am sure in the scenario that many gold bugs are looking at (i.e. hyperstagflation) and when gold price hits the level of 3/5 or 7k per oz, the premium of collector gold coins are going to be gone and left their gold content value.

so what is the meaning of paying 2 or 3 times more now for the same amount of gold?!

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Bigg Fredd
November 6, 2010 3:47 pm

Collector coins may carry a premium under "normal" moderate inflation, but you're absolutely correct that it will be meaningless under hyperinflation or other worst-case scenario.

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dean engle
November 6, 2010 9:16 pm

A subscription to Dr. Steve Sjuggerud's "TRUE WEALTH" will entitle you to information about how to boost your Social Security income. Social Security secrets lets you collect thousands of extra dollars. what is the secret form 521-B or form 3881-BK or SSA-25 ??? is this all smoke and mirrow's >>>> Dean

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November 14, 2010 12:21 am

Just like oil there is plenty of gold in the ground and in vaults. However. I guess buying gold (for the long term) should only apply to those in a positive cash position, right? i.e. house, car, boat – all paid off and still sitting on a load of cash. Would buying gold make sense if say you still owe 200k on a mortgage? Just curious…

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goldy
November 14, 2010 1:51 pm

Yes. Its true that a current US gold coin is more only a little over spot. However, as gold spot continues to climb, any US gold coin, old or new, is worth more in USD (probably hundreds) than just a couple of months or at least a year ago. Thus, gold is insurance against a disintegrating currency.

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