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“SSA-521: How to Boost Your Social Security Payments By $1,033 Per Month.”

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, October 14, 2008

This is actually an odd little teaser that a few readers sent in to me recently — including one who offered a solution that is actually correct (forgot to ask for permission, so I won’t mention the name). Smart readers here, as always.

What we get here, in exchange for subscribing to Steve Sjuggerud’s True Wealth, is an explanation of how you can use “Form SSA-521” to increase your Social Security checks. The teaser says that “every retiree should read this” … and there’s some truth to it, certainly. Though you don’t need to subscribe to anyone’s newsletter just to find out what it is.

I won’t go into great detail on this one — it’s not super sneaky as so many of these teasers are. There is, for example, actually a form number 521 involved, they didn’t just make it up.

What the teaser tells us is that many people can raise your social security payments, and that very few people did so last year, and that even most Social Security Administration employees have never heard of it before. It essentially is a way to restart your Social Security clock — if you have applied for Social Security you know that your payments are much higher if you wait a few years than if you take the payments as soon as you become eligible.

Essentially what’s being teased here is a way to double dip at the government soup tureen.

Anyone who has applied for Social Security can also place a request to withdraw their application. If you applied five years ago and started receiving checks when you were 62, for example, you could file form SSA-521 to request a withdrawal of your application, and then after that’s processed you could apply for Social Security again, this time at the much higher payments you would receive as the 67 year old that you now are.

So what’s the catch? Well, you have to repay any money you received. Which stands to reason, if you’re withdrawing your application five years after the fact you have to pay back those 5 years of Social Security checks.

Why do it? It’s essentially an interest-free loan. As I understand it, you don’t have to pay interest on those five years of payments you’ve received from Social Security, you just have to pay back whatever you’ve received.

Other than that, it’s essentially an actuarial question — how long are you going to live, and how long would you have to live to make it worth it to restart the clock? The payments for someone five or ten years older than the minimum Social Security age can be dramatically higher, so for many folks it will probably be a genuinely good thing to do.

Any other catch? Well, the reason not many folks have done this in the past is that the process for withdrawal of a Social Security application looks like it was generally designed to correct errors, and probably the few hundred folks who did this last year did so because they messed up their application, or didn’t understand the graduated payout schedule and later realized that they didn’t really need to apply yet after all and might as well wait for larger checks.

The wide publication of this idea happened just earlier this year — Laurence Kotlikoff, a Boston University economist, was the one who is credited with bringing this to everyone’s attention. He published his info earlier this year, and it got a fair amount of attention from financial planners and the money media.

So … should you do this? I have no idea, it would probably be worth reading up on it, and talking with your financial adviser, but from the articles I’ve seen it certainly is worth researching if you took Social Security early and you’ve got the money to pay it back, perhaps especially if you are optimistic about your life expectancy from this point.

The bigger question for some folks who are a bit younger, near the time when they can apply for Social Security, is whether you should take early Social Security even if you don’t need it, with the intention of using it as an interest-free loan and withdrawing your application and repaying it in a few years. In my opinion that’s an ethical question as well as a political and financial one — the fact that this is a very new thing for the Social Security Administration means that they may well change the rules to counteract this loophole.

And when you do file SSA-521, you do have to give a reason for requesting your withdrawal, whether you’re going back to work or something else. I have no idea whether they care what these reasons are, or if they ever reject these applications for withdrawal, or will do so in the future.

Certainly there was no intent for Social Security to offer interest-free loans to retirees, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them clamp down on this eventually. I have no idea what impact that might have on folks who tried to game the system by taking Social Security payments early with the intention of paying them back, but it’s something to think about — I would consider this a loophole, so it would not be surprising if they didn’t make any provisions to “grandfather in” folks who tried to exercise this loophole. My perspective could certainly be very wrong, I’m no expert on Social Security, nor am I a financial planner, this is just my opinion.

Here’s a start for you if you want to read up:

The explanation from the Social Security Handbook is that yes, you can replay your benefits and withdraw your claim, click here to see their formal explanation — it’s 1515.2. The actual form is really called SSA-521, you can download the pdf here if you like.

There’s a very brief explanation of what it is in a story from Marketplace (the NPR show).

There’s an article from Investment Advisor magazine that explains how this works.

And if you want to see ground zero of this, here’s an explanation of the numbers from Dr. Kotlikoff, the economist who brought this to the attention of a lot of folks and is quoted or cited in most of those stories. His case study includes a chart that gives you some idea of how this might impact an individual as you begin to understand whether this is a worthwhile thing to do.

If anyone out there in Gumshoe land has done this, or looked into it, feel free to share your experiences or opinions. It’s real, but I’d make sure to run your numbers through the scenarios — you can probably skip Steve Sjuggerud and go straight to whoever you trust for your financial planning advice if you don’t like digging in to the data and the government forms by yourself.

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Randy
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Randy
October 18, 2008 9:17 pm

What about if I want to make payments to SS for my wife who doesn’t work in order to increase her pathetically small SSI check when she reaches 67? That’s what I need to know. She’s going to get a paltry $400 or so. If I just send in money to cover what she would be paying in to the system if she worked, can I do this?

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terry
May 24, 2017 11:25 am
Reply to  Randy

When you turn FRA (full retirement age) or even take it early, if you have been married at least 10 years your wife will be entitled to 1/2 of your benefit + you continue to receive your full benefits from SS. I was in a similar situation, so I did just that a few months ago. It rose my wife’s benefit from roughly $700/month to $1,230/month, and it does not affect your benefit at all. Look into it, lots of info on it on the web and at Social Security. Trust me this is fact! Good luck.
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larry bernstein
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larry bernstein
October 20, 2008 2:56 pm

this is a question.i took my ss at age 62/1/2 and have collected for 1 yr.if i return the money now will i be able to then collect the amount i would have received if i waited until age 66?if yes when would i start receiving the higher amount?

Elizabeth Calton
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Elizabeth Calton
October 23, 2008 10:02 am

Why doesn’t someone address the problem about the government using the social security, without reservation ,for things not intended. I think it would have plenty of money for years and years had they been barred from using it.
I also think they should be made to repay what they took out,with interest, which would help to rebuild it.

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Donna Ryerson
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November 1, 2008 12:39 pm

I just started receiving Social Security Disability and was contacted by Social Security Income, (SSI). As it turned out, I did not qualify for SSI, (my income was too high between Workmens’ comp and private disability) at the time. I was told by the SSI rep that I had quite the substanial retroactive amount waiting for me but, I could not receive it until I completed Form-521 and returned it.

My confusion lies here, if I turn in completed Form-521, will this also effect my Social Security Disability income? Or just my SSI income? Thank you.

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Rene Gonzales
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Rene Gonzales
November 3, 2008 12:40 pm

In order to make this strategy work you would have to be able accurately to predict your year of death. Do you know anyone with this ability?

Vidar Warness
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Vidar Warness
December 14, 2008 7:03 pm

Your headline says: “Boost your payment by $1033/pr month. How do you arrive at that/which SSI rule would apply? Thank you, vw

Steve Bell
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Steve Bell
December 31, 2008 5:20 pm

Asset deflation and currency inflation will take care of SS.
The government will show inflation at 2% thru asset deflation and then pay you with currency inflated at 18% as the boomers retire en mass starting in 2 years.
Your $1,500 per month SS payment might end up buying you gas for your car, as long as you don’t drive very far. Especially at $20 per gallon for gas, which won’t be part of core inflation. You can use your $1,000 a month annuity to buy cereal, milk, crackers and to splurge on the occasional can of dog food.
See how easily problems can be solved.

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Monnie
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Monnie
February 3, 2009 6:38 pm

Gumshoe,

Do you know anything about The Mining Speculator’s “Doubling Your Gold Profits”? I think the gold price is going to increase substantially this year, and I’d surely be interested in a way to double up on that.

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SoYouThinkYouCanInvest
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March 8, 2009 1:31 pm

I have subscribed to the free Daily Wealth newsletter for a few years now. I have noticed a disturbing tendency by Dr. Sjuggerud to market high risk investments as low risk. If they work out, he loves to flaunt the numbers. If they crash and burn, you will not hear a peep. The best example is what happened in Iceland. Daily Wealth had dozens of articles that were pushing Icelandic government bonds in 2005-2007. When it all blew up last year, not a word about it in Daily Wealth. I have documented everything in a new article on my site – check it out: http://soyouthinkyoucaninvest.blogspot.com/2009/03/beware-of-false-prophets.html.

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mike
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mike
May 18, 2009 1:54 am

No Brainer if u can afford it. Put the check in a low risk high yield stock or money market…wait 5 years, pay back the principal keep the interest , and start collecting bigger checks….BUT alot of people can’t afford to do that

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PoorOldJim
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PoorOldJim
May 25, 2009 6:30 pm

Between my wife and I, that would amount to a heck of a lot more coin than we could muster. And at the rate my health stats are going, Uncle Sam would cash in. And at the rate our Pres is spending money, I wouldn’t feel too comfy that what we are getting might take a bite somewhere down the line. Sjuggerud, stop beating this one to death. There may be one out of 100 who could [or would] do this.

trading
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June 8, 2009 10:05 pm

Nice site! thanks for the great post…%d%a%d%aPeople should read this.

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June 11, 2009 7:27 pm

How are we going to afford Social Security and Medicare over the next 10+ years?

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stockcrazy10
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stockcrazy10
June 12, 2009 10:43 am

We won’t. There will be significant cuts.

John Klem
John Klem
July 9, 2009 1:24 pm

Having read the previous 64 comments covering National Retirement and the National Health Care System (for us old guys)Is it really possible for OBAMA to lead us into a National Health Care for everyone?

The employee and the employer contibution to Social inSecurity has been/is between 13% and 15%. After “contributing” since 1964 my social insecurity benefit is $1680.

At age thirty three I went to work for an employer that deducted 6% of my gross pay matched it with an additional 6% and after 29 years and 6 months with that employer(start date May 1, 1979), I can withdraw a cash payment of $800,000+ or a maximum monthly payment of $6530. for my lifetime plus a one time payment of $29,000.

When I started working and found out about the 6% deduction (a condition of employment) I was upset!!!! I figured that the 12% total contibution caused a 12% reduction in wages from day one. And it did! But I am very happy now. Happy that my employer provided the program. Happy that my employer was obviously a better money manager than the Feds. Happy that I don’t have to rely on social insecurity.

I am disappointed that 13-15% deducted for 45 years is so little compared to a 12% deduction for 29 years six months.

Take your social insecurity as soon as possible. As history shows, it can be taxed, it can be decreased, elgibility can be changed; with the stroke of a pen the benefits can be cut.

Take the money and buy HTS, NLY or something good. the IRA is into HTS at 21.50 and pays $1.00-1.05 per quarter (4.8% per 1/4).

$84,000.(the cost of SS payback mentioned in other comments) worth of HTS at current price would pay 3300. per 1/4. $13,200. per year, $11000.+ after taxes.

I am not lucky-I am blessed!

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ward Hogggen
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ward Hogggen
August 11, 2009 6:30 pm

can you comment on the Congressional Mandate HR-3221 and the 17,500 yr free income?
ward hoggen

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Goldbug
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August 13, 2009 4:54 pm

I would take any interest free money, invest it in a CD then withdraw and reapply for higher payment and repay the 5 years with the principle and keep the interest earned on the 5 years of money you got from 62 to 67.

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Curious
August 18, 2009 2:00 pm

Maybe this has been answered, but I don’t see a posting.
I’ve been collecting SS since 65 and am still working at 69. I get a cost of living increase, but I’m curious as to how my SS is calculated with the additional SS that I’m still paying. I’ve inquired with SS but have not received an answer that I really understand.

rasl1
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rasl1
April 2, 2010 8:43 am

Besides the 25% hit to taking benefits at 62 and having to repay all payments; the real risk is knowing how long U'll live if U pay-back and re-calibrate at say, age 65 !
Let's say u have the money at 65 and U've been taking payments since age 62.
Let's say U re-pay a lump sum of $36,000 at 65; and take a higher payout from that point on. If U die 12 months later at say 1,500/mth; U on;ly got back half the money U re-paid ($18,000) so U lost $18,000 !) I parobably takes 2-3 years of living longer to beat the risk of re-payment and starting a higher payout at later ages

Jim Sullivan
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Jim Sullivan
September 3, 2010 10:39 am

I see it as you have payed taxes on the benefits before recieving, thanks to My Al Core and you have again paid taxes as it added to your income on state forms and federal 1099 year end and if you send money back and wait a month to recieve higher SS benefit, then you have lost that months money altogether. If everything went perfect it will take you until age 77 or 78 to ever make the extra money in SS benefits count for anything! This looks like a loose, loose situation all the way around

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