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“The Secret ‘Mutual Fund’ that NEVER GOES DOWN”

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, January 30, 2012

Steve Sjuggerud is teasing us with something genuinely compelling as he urges us to subscribe to his True Wealth newsletter: investments that NEVER go down.

Really?

Yep, his pitch is that he has three kinds of investments that, if taken together, can be considered to be a “mutual fund” that never goes down. They’re not actually a mutual fund, of course, that would be too easy — but apparently they provide some sort of diversification and, most importantly, they protect against loss of principal.

Anyone who has lived through the last four years in the stock market will instantly light up a little bit at that “never goes down” part — which is, of course, why the copywriter put that in the headline. And then followed up with this jabber that makes it seem even better:

“There are no fees… no marketing department… and no salesmen or brokers.

“But the three assets that make up this unique “fund” have beaten the stock market by as much as 165% over the past decade, and are among the only investments in the world that are guaranteed to never go down….

“What I discovered over the past few years is incredible—3 assets with great upside potential, which come with a contractual guarantee that they will never lose a penny in value.

“You can buy just one of these investments… or you can buy all three, and you will own what is essentially a “mutual fund” that can NEVER go down.

“What’s remarkable about this situation to me is that you are very unlikely to see any of these opportunities advertised to the general public.

“And of course, this ‘fund’ is not listed on any stock market—nor are any of the assets it contains. There’s no prospectus report. There’s basically no advertising or marketing.

“In fact, this is something you are unlikely to hear about or read about anywhere else, as far as I know.”

So what is he really talking about?

Well, he teases three investments that “never go down” — the first one he calls the “Royal Currency” and implies that Warren Buffett and Bill Gross personally use it in their own accounts. It apparently goes back almost 200 years to Great Britain, and involves some sort of government guarantee.

Here’s an excerpt of the clues for that one:

“On a research trip to London a few years back, I found a government-issued asset that has been secretly used by some of the wealthiest families in American history (like the DuPonts, Roosevelts, and Lillys), to safely build and protect wealth….

“This asset has nothing to with stocks, bonds, gold, silver, coins, commodities or any other investment asset you’ve likely heard of before. Over the past decade, I have seen it written about just once in the mainstream press, in an April 2010 edition of The Wall Street Journal.

“Some experts call this mysterious investment ‘The Royal Currency,’ because it was first issued by the Royal British Government almost 200 years ago, and has actually been used as money in many places around the world.

“But this unique investment, as it is used today, is not an actual currency. And while the British were the first to issue the Royal Currency, today almost every government in the world has its own profitable version.”

And apparently the returns have been dramatic, particularly during times of inflation:

“In fact, during the 1970s, many Royal Currency investments went up by as much as 1,000%. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that with all the money printing our government has been doing, we’re very likely to have very high inflation in the years to come.

And even in non-inflationary times, the government-created Royal Currency does extremely well. A different index created by a private firm shows that this unique investment has gained 209% since 1998.”

There is at least one little disconnect here — apparently there is the government-related “royal currency” out there, but the way to get it with the “never goes down” guarantee is privately sold …

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“You can make an investment in the Royal Currency that is guaranteed to Never Go Down….

“I have located the best Royal Currency broker in the world. They have been in business since – get this – 1856. That’s more than 150 years….

… when you make a Royal Currency investment with this brokerage, you will receive a written contract that guarantees you cannot lose money over the next five years. In other words, the worst you can do is break even. I believe you could double your money, easily – you could possibly make 250% or more. Remember, during the 1970s, this investment went up about 1,000%. ”

Which, frankly, has the Thinkolator stumped — it’s been churning and smoking over there in the corner for a good half hour, and nothing definitive is leaking out into the results bin.

So we’re left to speculate — my guess? Well, I can’t give you promises of accuracy here like I usually try to do (I generally don’t reveal a stock as a teaser solution unless I’m 99% sure it’s a match — and more typically we’re 100% certain), but here’s what I think:

For the broker that’s been around since 1856, we have a couple choices but the logical guess is Credit-Suisse, which is the only big investment bank that I know of that was founded in that year. As to the investment? Again, I don’t really know on this one — but it sounds a lot like the various market-indexed certificates of deposit that are available. And there was an article in an April, 2010 issue of the Wall Street Journal that talked up these products, though they’ve also been covered in previous articles in that paper (they were pretty popular when the market was crashing and folks were looking for downside protection in 2008 and 2009).

Here’s that article on market-linked CDs from the April 5, 2010 WSJ. They’re not issued by governments, though they do carry FDIC insurance in most cases so they are government-related. Doesn’t really sound like a great match for the “royal currency” bit, but that’s the best I can do right now. And here’s a bit more about these types of CDs from an older WSJ article.

Essentially, market-indexed CDs give you downside protection by saying that (in every example I’ve seen) you will get your principal back, guaranteed and backed by FDIC insurance. In exchange, you have to lock your cash up for a set time period, usually at least two years and more commonly longer, and you will get some portion of the return on a set index — for example, you might get any upside returns from the S&P 500 for a given time period, but with the upside capped at, say, 12% per year, or you might get half of the upward move of the index for that time period — they’re all structured differently, which makes it tough to compare them. I know HSBC sells a fair number of these, as do other big banks like JP Morgan and smaller outfits like Everbank, but I don’t know about Credit-Suisse or others. It’s perfectly possible that what’s being teased here is some other structured guaranteed principal product from another investment bank, I can’t tell you for sure based on those clues.

So let’s move on to the other two parts of the “never goes down” investment “mutual fund,” shall we?

Here’s how Sjuggerud pitches this one:

“The second component in our “Mutual Fund” that never goes down is a unique asset Barron’s calls ‘The new way to retire…’

“In short, this asset is offered by some of the richest companies in the United States….

“I call it a ‘Guaranteed Stock Contract,’ because it essentially gives you the large potential gains of the stock market… and a guarantee that your money can NEVER drop in value.

“Plus, you are guaranteed to get paid a MINIMUM withdrawal on your investment of 4% to 7% per year… which can only go up… and NEVER down.

“Right now, for example, the #1 way to make this investment is through a private company in Lansing, Michigan, which offers these contracts to Americans who are retired or getting ready to retire soon.

“What’s nice is that you have the opportunity to make money when stocks go up… but you don’t lose a penny when stocks go down. Even better, when the stock market does go up, you can lock in those gains for the life of your contract.”

And we get some more quotes from the financial press to buttress Sjuggerud’s claims:

Money Magazine says these stock market contracts, “will become the retirement investing rage.” And why the journal of Financial Planning said “they could be a magic bullet.”

Fortune magazine actually called these unique investments, ‘the best place for retirement cash.’

“The point is, investment has an unlimited upside, and it comes with a written contract that it will NEVER go down. You certainly don’t want to put all your money here… but it makes a lot of sense to use these Guaranteed Contracts for part of your savings.”

You probably won’t be surprised to hear that these are … variable annuities. Though it sounds like he’s specifically recommending a variety that mixes variable and fixed aspects to some degree, some call it a Fixed Index Annuity, meaning that they use some index (like the S&P 500, or whatever) to boost the annuity’s returns, but they also provide whatever payout guarantee the annuity insurance contract promises.

I know almost nothing about annuities, other than the fact that they are a great tool for providing some backstop to retirement income and the fact that their confusing and convoluted nature means that some investors have been bilked for massive fees from the bad seeds in the industry.

There’s a good article on FINRA for folks who want to know what pitfalls to look for in annuity shopping here.

And I’ll bet that the folks Sjuggerud is talking about are Jackson Annuities — they are in Lansing, MI and they offer a variety of these kinds of annuities. I can’t vouch for them and I don’t know anything about them other than their HQ address, but they do explain their products in this category pretty well here.

And the third “never go down” investment?

Sjuggerud calls it “The only gold investment that’s been guaranteed to NEVER go down,” and teases it thusly:

“That’s why I thought you might be interested in a unique type of investment that was created by a popular, well-respected, and very safe American bank.

“In short, what this bank has done is allow you to put your money in a super-safe FDIC-insured certificate of deposit (CD), with large potential gains, and a contract that ensures you have ZERO downside risk.

“Now all of these CD contracts are a little different. Some of them have unlimited upside, and some don’t.

“Some tie your returns to one precious metal, like gold or silver. Others tie your returns to several precious metals, or even other assets like stocks or even foreign currencies.

“But the important thing to remember is that with each one of these deals, you get the potential for large gains, and the value of your investment is guaranteed (by the bank and the FDIC) to NEVER go down.”

Toss that into the Thinkolator, and I think we must here be being teased about Everbank’s MarketSafe CDs — of which there aren’t any available right this moment.

MarketSafe CDs from Everbank are FDIC insured CDs that guarantee the return of your principal (usually after five years), and boost that by tying the CD to some other asset — they’ve done all kinds of different ones, from gold bullion to Japanese REITs to the S&P 500, but the most recent ones have been based on diversified commodities. They offer these up at specific points and they have a fixed time return and carry a guarantee only if you hold them to maturity, so you can’t just start one up whenever you want, you have to wait until one is offered.

The most recent one they offered launched last August and provided upside based on the average return of five different metals over the next five years, with a cap of 50% for each metal (so if gold goes up 1,000% and copper, silver, etc. all go down by 15% each you would get no premium return, since the gold gain at a capped 50% is more than made up for by the combined losses of the others). You can work out those pluses and minuses yourself if they choose to offer this kind of CD again, Everbank has been the pioneer of this for small individual investors but there may also be other banks doing this for precious metals as well, I just don’t know them. You can get an idea of the terms in the sheet for that CD they started last August but, as I noted, they aren’t selling any today (their MarketSafe sales page is here if you want to browse around). I’ve used Everbank for some foreign currency CDs, but haven’t tried the MarketSafe stuff personally.

So as you probably guessed, there are ways to get guaranteed returns on your investment — or at least, to have your principal protected. They range from the typical stuff you already know like plain vanilla CDs to the complex structured products offered by big investment banks, with a vast range of different kinds of annuities and insurance contracts mixed in the middle. The risk of all of these is not so much that you will lose your principal (assuming the annuity is backed by a strong company, and that you choose a CD that is FDIC insured), but that you will lose a substantial portion of the potential upside in whatever investment it is you’re considering — a choice between risk and safety that every investor has to make on their own, preferably with the help of a financial advisor you trust who can run the possible scenarios with you.

I have never dabbled in annuities, don’t understand insurance accounting or contracts, and have never tied up my money in a CD for longer than a year, so I’m not an expert on much of this … but I’ll be that there are folks out there in the vast Gumshoe readership who know this stuff inside and out — if you’d like to opine, feel free to do so using the friendly little comment box below. Thanks!

Oh, and if you’re one of those folks who has to jump on things in a frenzy because your favorite newsletter writer writes it up as a hot recommendation — don’t! Most of these kinds of investment contracts require you to tie up your money for a considerable time, please think it over and know the terms before you choose one.

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Parry laird
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Parry laird
January 30, 2012 2:13 pm

Many years ago. a product that fit this description (sort of) was very popular. MITTS was the acronym they went by and they have no downside…all upside.

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hedy1234
hedy1234
January 30, 2012 2:18 pm

The reason your Thinkolater got bogged down on the first one is because it is farther out of the box than CDs or Stocks/bonds.
He is talking about…… wait for it……. stamps.
He has a stamp vendor who will guarantee to buy back your stamps. Minimum investment……… wait for it…….. $15,000.

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Darcy
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Darcy
January 30, 2012 9:35 pm

My father collected Canadian first cover stamps his whole life.
Kept them all in perfect condition.
He is 80 now and had the whole collection appraised.
The recommendation was he should put them on letters.
Buyers of stamp collections are few (if any) and far between.
I can’t see stamps as good investing.

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Joanne
January 31, 2012 3:01 pm
Reply to  Darcy

My husband has a collection of American first day covers. Is that theame as your father’s same as Canadian first cover stamps?
My husband has not has his collection appraised but it doesn’t
sound very promising anymore.

Darcy
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Darcy
January 31, 2012 8:36 pm
Reply to  Joanne

did you see comment from Ventureshadows below;
“In the USA most new stamps that are less than 70 years old are typically worth below face value, yes that is LESS than face value., and you might as well use them for postage. As they say, if you can’t beat ‘em, lick ‘em. “

John
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January 31, 2012 2:32 pm
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When Fenime & Fedimac were popular, one of their feature which was repeatly touted was that they were guaranteed by the US government. What happen today? You know what happen today. When Dr. Sjuggerud recommend Iceland bond, the characteristic touted was that is was guaranteed by Iceland government and it had a high yield. You know what happened to the Iceland bond. Take a grand of salt whenever you heard the word “Guaranteed”.

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FM
FM
January 30, 2012 2:40 pm

Stanley Gibbons are the stamp vendors in London

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gene olson
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January 30, 2012 2:47 pm

As as retired investment broker, I always warned my clients that return of principle does not guarantee return of buying power. $10,000 five years from now will not buy what $10,000 buys today.

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Blackwater
Blackwater
January 30, 2012 2:49 pm

Stanley Gibbons

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Fabian
Fabian
January 30, 2012 2:49 pm

Be careful with these guaranteed capital instruments and look well at who is the real debtor.
Credit Suisse issues a bunch of them and they did in Switzerland before the crash. Allas the debtor was Lehman and people thought they invested with Credit Suisse. They were pushed into retirees and retirement accounts, of course. This was not a small scandal and if I recall well they decided to make good for Lehman.

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Harrison Kornfield
January 30, 2012 2:49 pm

The first “secret’ is an British stamp company, in business since 1865, named STANLEY GIBBONS, ON STRAND, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SAVOY. 10000 POUND LIMIT, 5 YEAR CONTRACT, GUARANTEED PRINCIPLE, OR WILL SELL FOR 30% OF PROFIT. OR KEEP STAMPS, OR SELL PART OF HOLDINGS. STAMPS SELECTED BY COMPANY OR BY BUYER. Has audited financials for view, no debt. DETAILS AT http://WWW.STANLEYGIBBONS.COM/TRUEWEALTH. No sales commission to True Wealth. NOTE: NOT REPORTABLE TO IRS. CAN ARRANGE for deal, VISIT LONDON AND PURCHASE IF PLEASED. Not for me (age 80) but wished I ‘d heard of this earlier. Travis-this looked very interesting; youmight want to use your knowledge base to review the program. for the irregulars. With respect.

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Bill Duschatko
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January 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Stamps, through Stanley Gibbons, and you hit it right with the Everbank CD’s, which of course are not currently offered.

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profmad
profmad
January 30, 2012 3:11 pm

Around the time that portfolio insurance was in vogue (1985 – October, 1987, I think) the idea did not depend on third parties to get a ‘Mutual Fund’ that NEVER GOES DOWN. All you had to do was buy a Treasury note that you were willing to hold to maturity and combine it with a long maturity call on some stock market (or commodity) index.

Can anyone explain why the current versions of ‘Mutual Funds’ that NEVER GO DOWN should be any different?

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Al
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Al
January 30, 2012 3:37 pm

A similar idea that has received a lot of play lately is the purchase of nickles. Supposedly the metal content of nickles is valued higher than 5 cents, thus if a person pays 5 cents for a nickle it will retain that value as a floor. If the price of the metal goes higher, the value of the nickle goes higher as well; similar to older dimes, quarters, half-dollars and dollars.

Ventureshadow
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Ventureshadow
January 30, 2012 7:17 pm

If their stamps go down a lot in value, Stanley Gibbons goes out of business. That will be the end of the guarantee and presumably also of your stamps in their possession. In the USA most new stamps that are less than 70 years old are typically worth below face value, yes that is LESS than face value., and you might as well use them for postage. As they say, if you can’t beat ’em, lick ’em. So much for my boyhood stamp collection. Gibbons’ stamp plan seems to have some apparent resemblance to a Ponzi scheme. Indeed, the original Ponzi scheme involved stamps.

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Sam
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Sam
January 30, 2012 8:51 pm

I have heard about some annuities that they only go up. If S&P goes down during a particular tear the value of annuity will remain same for that year and will not goes down. Then there are choices sectors also one can chose.
Sorry, I do not remember the company name, but I know it is a big company. I wish, I had transferred my most of the investment in 401K just before the bubble melt down in the year 2000. In fact this company agent was pushing me hard; I saw in his office many people did it.

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Richard Zaehringer
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February 1, 2012 9:59 am

Some annuities have fees, others don’t. The confusion begins with the term,”annuity”, which has four different types,(variable; fixed index,aka.equity index,aka. hybrid; fixed;immediate). While some benefits are similar, the descriptions are not interchangable. Variables have 3 fees:(1.mortality,expense,admin,2.income rider(based upon enhanced income benefit base even if actual account has less value),3.sub-account,4.optional enhance death benefit) Fixed index:the only charge is for the income rider(some base fee on actual value, others on income benefit base, some only charge when there is a gain, most have caps on index number gains, other have no caps,at all-but rather a spread(fee taken off top before account is credited).Fixed have no fee and may have 100% liquidity without a term or “surrender fee schedule”, Immediate have no fee, there are a dinosaur in the industry since the payout is so very low, and one forfeits access to their own deposit. Each has a situational purpose and based upon the individual needs and risk profile of the consumer,one type will fit better than another. Brokers, whether FINRA regulated or merely insurance people, don’t all study each contract as they should from company to company, they believe and repeat to consumers the verbage and description provided to them by insurance company wholesalers, which is often incorrect. The consumer makes their decision on bad information, believe they own a benefit that does not exist, and may not discover the problem for several years-when the benefit needs to be accessed. That’s a huge problem. For example, joint payout is .5%-1% less than single payout and many agents quote single to make the payout look better, spousal continuance is not the same as joint lifetime income, yet agents tell clients that it is, agents explain that the roll-up percentage guarantee for the income rider 5-8%-guarantees the principal, even on a variable, which it does not, it only establishes an “insurance value-income benefit base value” by which the income % is calculated, agents who only explain 1 or 2 fees on a variable rather than disclosing all fees. There are more miscommunicated benefits and consumers are too hesitant to take action even when an honest agent brings the issue to their attention. As a veteran agent of 25 years, that’s my opinion why annuities are misunderstood. In fact, when people who don’t “like” annuities are asked why, if they can offer a reason,(usually they can’t) it applies to either losing access to the money(immediate only) or insurance co. keeping balance in premature death(beneficary contingency -which reduces payout,not on application,or fees, which are very small(1% ave. for index income rider), no fee for most, but on a variable may be 3.5% or more.

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Irontail
January 31, 2012 8:06 pm
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AVIVA is a big one – have done business and they seem solid. Growth (never a decline) annuities are their bread and butter. So far so good. Check ’em out.

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Richard Scott
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February 1, 2012 9:13 am
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The Aviva contract has several issues which better products available from other insurance companies do not; for example,very low caps on index crediting, does not guarantee lifetime income or the “doubler benefit” for non-owner spouse on qualified funds, nullifies the”doubler benefit if accumulation value is reduced to zero through withdrawals,etc.

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R Charlie Brown
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January 30, 2012 11:24 pm

I was curious as to if the banks go under (with say a stock market crash) how can the bank’s guarantee the principle, besides anything else. Know we hear about the FDIC, but how much use would it be if we saw something like the 1930’s (October 29, 1929 – 1930)?

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David Hirt
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David Hirt
January 31, 2012 12:20 pm

I have been with you almost a year, and the mighty mighty thinkolator has never been stumped! Say it ain’t so.
Interesting though, but I think coins much better than stamps. However do not jump in blindly without first doing some homework. Dave

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kanan
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kanan
January 31, 2012 4:19 pm

This forum is fun!!!

Wolfgang Sailler
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February 1, 2012 6:25 pm

Could the first item not be a perpetual bond? During the Napoleonic Wars the British government sold these to finance the campaign. That would also come closer to the 200 year time frame.

Woogie
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February 2, 2012 3:21 pm

The only way I know how to make money on stamps…get this.. buy them as forever stamps issued a few days right before they go up and then sell them or use them. I did and make one cent on each 45 cent stamp after the increase. If you hold these stamps over several increases then you can make more. Forever is forever.

Susan
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Susan
February 2, 2012 3:35 pm

Just found the “thinkolator” yesterday – I have learned more in two days than in five years of dabbling with other online sites. Thank you so very much!

mjqdelmar
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February 2, 2012 7:37 pm

I have used Everbank World Markets, Market Safe CD’s for the past 5 years and have been pleased with results. The only drawback is the OID (Original Issue Discount) tax which you pay each year. I believe this is for current value in excess of the stated redemption price, even though you don’t have access to that money until the redemption date. A small price to pay, I guess.

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