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“Treasury’s Gold Glitch: Make Money AFTER Gold Rises” Sjuggerud

"Secret Currency ... Outlawed for 41 years… Now LEGAL Again. This Unique Gold Investment Launched the Largest Family Fortune the World has Ever Seen..."

By Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe, October 22, 2008

Those of you who have long toiled in the dusty, grimy classrooms of Gumshoe University will probably recognize this one — it’s an ad that has been around for years, with adjustments and variations depending on the market’s pulse and on the price of gold.

The essential promise is that Steve Sjuggerud has found a “secret currency” that is gold, but outperforms gold. So what’s the promise this time?

Today, with gold having enjoyed a nice run up to $1,000 or so per ounce in the past year before falling back to below $800, he’s promising that he has found a way for you to still get in on the momentum — because he has an investment that goes up after the gold price rises.

Sounds pretty cool, no? Imagine if we could do that for other investments, just wait for them to go up and then say, “hey, I’ll take some of those shares after all … Fire up the time machine, please!”

It’s almost irresistible. So what is it?

Well, I feel almost obliged to share with you a little of the hard sell from the ad, since it’s not so fun if you don’t have your little greed synapses firing …

“FORGET collapsing stocks, bonds, real estate, and mutual funds. Now that gold prices are up, there’s an opportunity for you to safely triple your money or more, thanks to a glitch in the U.S. Treasury Department…”

Ooohhh, government glitches and secrets! The mainstay of the newsletter ad, good stuff.

“Everybody knows that gold is a safe investment in times of economic chaos–that’s why the U.S. mint recently ran out of gold bullion coins to sell to investors (source: The Los Angeles Times).

“But few Americans realize what happens after gold demand jumps and prices rise…

“In short: There’s a U.S. Treasury Dept-created “glitch” in the gold markets, which could give you gains of 665% or more after gold prices rise. You could see these gains no matter what happens to stocks or the overall economy… and with almost zero risk.

“I can practically guarantee you will not see this opportunity discussed in any newspaper or on any television program. And I’m sure you won’t hear about it from any broker or advisor.

“But right now, because gold demand has increased, and prices have risen, you can safely make a fortune… even if you’ve never bought a currency, stock, or gold investment before.

“In fact, you need only about $100 to get started. But you don’t need a brokerage account or even a bank account.”

Excellent! So what is this “glitch?”

It has already made lots of folks fabulously wealthy, of course — the letter cites a couple examples:

“The New York Times recently reported that one of the current owners of the Boston Red Sox baseball team used this exact currency vehicle to amass a fortune, worth more than $15 million.

“The paper also reported that a fellow named Stephen Fenton recently made $6.6 million thanks to a similar gold currency trade.”

The glitch was the period from FDR to Nixon, between when Roosevelt signed the order forbidding private ownership of gold bullion, and when Nixon rescinded that law. So yes, what we’re talking about here with this glitch are gold coins.

And while they may not be on the front pages of many newspapers now, you probably remember seeing the headlines back in the first part of this year, when Bear Stears was collapsing and the price of gold shot over $1,000 for the first time (in nominal dollars, not inflation adjusted). There were stories everywhere about people enthusiastically buying up gold coins, or about other folks melting down their jewelry.

That’s also when I last wrote about a similar ad from Sjuggerud that introduced me to this “secret currency” — you can read that original article here if you like.

I don’t know if there’s a lot of enthusiasm for this topic in Gumshoe land — I doubt that there are a huge number of numismatists in the vast and unusually handsome Gumshoe readership, but I’ll try to explain the situation as best I can.

So yes, Sjuggerud is an enthusiastic gold coin investor — in fact, he’s pretty enthusiastic about lots of fairly unusual investments, which makes him fun to follow. I’ve read his articles extolling the virtues of collectible musical instruments and Macau condominiums in the past, always worth a thought or two.

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The biggest distinction in gold coins is between bullion coins and rare or collectible coins — with the bullion coins trading at a somewhat steady, usually reasonably small premium to the current price of gold, and the collectible and rare coins trading at usually a far more significant premium. As I read the ad, essentially Sjuggerud’s argument is that in the runup of gold prices over the last few years, collectors were not as quick to accept the sea change in gold pricing and the premiums for collectible coins shrunk, but now that gold seems to be remaining at historically high prices, those premiums should grow. That’s how you benefit from buying gold after gold has had it’s run (or benefit even more if gold goes back up again, as some folks are always predicting).

Gold bullion coins are the contemporary coins struck by national mints, usually, and they typically include an ounce of gold. The most famous, and by far the most widely traded, are the American Eagle gold coins — these are an ounce of gold, alloyed with a bit of silver to make them more durable, and you can buy them from the U.S. mint or on the secondary market at what is usually a relatively small premium to their melt value. As of this moment the new coins from the mint are selling at a hefty premium to the melt price of gold, last I checked the 2008 American Eagle is going for $1120, while gold is down around $780 an ounce. I’m not sure why, though it might have to do with the fact that they suspended sales of some coins earlier this year due to high demand. You can buy uncirculated older Eagles for more like $830, and other gold bullion coins, like the Canadian Maple Leaf or South African Krugerrand, typically are slightly less than that. With the price of gold so volatile, and gold trading on the world’s fear and emotion to a large degree, there’s no telling where it will go next, but in general you can usually get bullion coins at a premium of well under 10% of the melt price, and sometimes the less popular ones trade for just a few dollars over melt.

When Sjuggerud is talking about being able to invest in these for “as little as $100” he must be talking about the 1/10 ounce coins, which are also offered by most mints and have been for a number of years. The smaller the coin, the larger the premium, so you would pay a bit more for the convenience of a smaller denomination — while the American Eagle with one ounce of gold is sold new for $1120, the 1/10 ounce coin goes for $125. The same disparity exists for older coins on the secondary market, though the prices are lower for both in many cases.

I have no idea which if any of the current bullion coins might someday attain a premium valuation or become rare or collectible — some of them already have, during years when designs were changed or there weren’t as many made, or at special anniversaries, and a coin expert could probably tell you which of the older coins of the last 20 years or so might be more promising in that regard. But the coins Sjuggerud has typically been most excited about are the older and rare collectibles — specifically, the most popular and one of the most beautiful gold coins, the ones whose run ended with FDR’s order in the early 1930s: The St. Gaudens Double Eagle.

That’s actually where the Stephen Fenton story comes in from the NY Times, too — he’s a British coin dealer who came into possession of one of the very few 1933 St. Gaudens Double Eagle coins that were struck after Roosevelt halted the program — none of these coins were distributed legally, but a number of them got out of the mint anyway. One of those came into Fenton’s possession, and he got arrested for owning the illegal coin — they later made some sort of deal that involved auctioning off the coin for an ungodly amount of money, and he got to share in the proceeds.

The St. Gaudens was around for 25 years or so — starting in 1907 and running until 1932 (legally). It was designed by Augustus St. Gaudens, a famous sculptor (I believe one of his designs is also on one side of the current American Eagle coin), at the behest of the previous Roosevelt (Teddy), and it contains almost an ounce of gold. If you’re interested in gold coins and think you might like to get into these kinds of higher value collectibles, it would probably be worth your while to do some research — but so far this year, at least, Sjuggerud has definitely been right on this.

When I first wrote about these coins back in March, for that previous Sjuggerud ad (if I haven’t misspelled his name at least once today, I’ll be amazed), the lower-quality end of the “uncirculated” certified coins (Mint State 63, or MS-63) were selling for around $1150, with gold at about $950, and Sjuggerud rightly called attention to the fact that this premium has rarely been so small.

Today, though the spot price of gold is much lower, those same coins are offered for a minimum of about $1,400 by most online dealers that I’ve checked lately (some of the years and variations are much, much more expensive). The ones that are of higher quality, MS-64 or 65, are significantly rarer and more expensive, too, and there are all kinds of things to think about if you buy these — including the group that did the rating, and the trustworthiness of the dealer, etc. etc. Whenever gold prices go up the scam artists leap out of the woodwork, so if you end up deciding to investigate a coin purchase I’d urge you to go slow and be careful.

These particular coins are probably as close to a liquid commodity as you get in “rare” gold coins, since they were widely used in the early part of this century and there are probably still half a million or so of them in collectors’ hands. There are enough of them to create a good market, they’re beautiful, and they exist in several different variations, some of which are very rare, so there are a lot of fans and buyers for these coins.

If you’d like to start your research, Sjuggerud has been behind this idea for a long time and there are many older articles by him and his affiliates available — a couple examples are here and here . There’s also an interesting article by a coin dealer (who’d also like to sell you something, naturally) here that explains the historical vacillations in coin premiums and gives the basics of the grading systems — and some warning about fraudulent coin grades.

So … are you excited about squirreling a few gold coins away in the freezer? Or has the recent drop in gold prices scared you off as the dollar is regaining some ground? Is it all about the Indian jewelry market, or is this the “end of the world” trade? Do you like modern bullion coins, pre-1933 St. Gaudens or other gold coins, or something else?

I’ve heard it said many times that one should always have enough gold to bribe the border guards (or, for the less colorful, that having 5% or so of your portfolio in gold hedges against inflation or currency fears), and I do personally own a few gold coins, but I’m far from an expert on anything numismatic, or on the yellow stuff in general. Feel free to share your opinions below, but take mine with a grain of salt.

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Carlo
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October 22, 2008 9:04 am

Great article. As usual.
Cheers
Carlo

Graham Jervis
Graham Jervis
October 22, 2008 9:46 am

Great Stuff Travis, even if i wanted to invest in gold coins, i wouldnt even know where to begin. The new newsletter from Stansberry that i find interesting is Porter’s Put Strategy Report, i hope one day you can check it out and let us know your thoughts on it.

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October 22, 2008 9:48 am

Steve S. has pitched Gold coins for 4-5 years now an has several good choice brokers. Having realized a double in profitable gains since 2004. Not bad at all. I am inclined for that at least another double in gains in less time. Expect gold to rise above 1600/oz in 2 years. A real possibility to me. Good Investing, Gumshoe

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the mayor
October 22, 2008 10:45 am

The World Economy is in trouble……Gold will NOT go to 600 dollars again……It may not hit $1600 next year…..by to say it will go to $600 in this economy is ludicrous!

Elissa Stein
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Elissa Stein
October 22, 2008 10:51 am

Gold has fallen to $747+/- since Travis wrote his article. To do your own research, try http://www.golddealer.com and http://www.kitco.com. Besides the St. Gaudens, look at Liberty and Indian, too. These are all collectible U.S. coins.

For those who do not care to become coin experts, but still want to hold physical metal, nothing beats pampe suisse.

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Mary
October 22, 2008 12:35 pm

Gold has dropped dramatically in recent weeks because of mass liquidation on the part of Lehman, Bear and JPM and that crowd. Our gov’t is doing all it can to keep the value of the US$ sky high right now and since gold is always the inverse of the US$, we see the big drop. After the election, most expect the US$ to find a more honest level and then you will see gold rise from the ashes.

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Lou P
October 22, 2008 1:20 pm

I’ll always remember 1980. Visiting a precious metals dealer I saw people screaming to buy gold at $800+ an ounce, arms waving freantically to get the dealers’ atention, having 10 ounces at a time shipped to their Connecticut homes to avoid the sales tax, and wondering what a 25 year olds high school teacher could do. I gotm bitten by the bug!
Unable to afford gold, I purchased 100 oz of silver for each of my two sons at $14 an ounce.The next day it was up to 14. We were gonna be rich!
And then reality struck. We watched it go down to 4, expecting it to come back any moment. It did….28 years later.
Buyer beware.

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Lou P
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Lou P
October 22, 2008 1:21 pm

sorry, it went from 13 to 14 (not 14 to 14).

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theaccusersgift
October 22, 2008 4:00 pm

Yes, one should always have enough gold, silver, and green cash to bribe the border guards. Try the green cash first, because it may be worthless across the border. See the “Lord of War” for the proper techniques (the “Lord of War” was about gun running).

Just ask the Jews in Israel formerly from Iran about gold and border guards if you don’t believe me.

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david
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david
October 22, 2008 4:08 pm

I bought gold at $660 in the 80’s and silver for $3.83. The difference now and then is the massive printing of money out of nothing which “is” going to cause inflation and the devaluing of the dollar. Can it go lower, yes but is it going higher? Has to.

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richard0826
October 22, 2008 6:41 pm

Thank you GumShoe for another worthwhile article. I had enjoyed it and also like to read comments from other GumShoe readers.

SOL
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SOL
October 22, 2008 9:20 pm

Thanks for the great article as usual. I have subscribed to Dr. Steve’s service for many years and have found that he is almost always correct- if a bit early in his picks. I wait about a month or two before I buy his latest reco as he has a huge number of readers and they act as a herd- stampeding into his reco’s with no limit on their price. I purchased his MS63 $20 gold coin reco’s years ago, and almost have a triple on the purchase- they are also beautiful pieces of art which I enjoy looking at on occasion- much better than the Kmart stock certificates I have mounted on my wall to remind to never ever trust a broker with my funds….

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Karen
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Karen
October 23, 2008 11:46 am

The above comments are so interesting. I remember 1980 as well. We didn’t have any gold then, well, maybe a few little coins. After this particular era of high gold prices was over, my husband was subscribing to True Wealth, by Sjuggerud, wherein he was suggesting investors buy the St. Gaudins coin and it was a bargain at $250. He kept hammering away at this idea. Oh, that seemed like a lot of money for one little coin. We didn’t buy, of course. Sigh…..

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stefano
October 23, 2008 2:04 pm

hei travis
you’re the best teaser in my mail almost always
thank’s a lot for your great job

Barbara
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Barbara
October 23, 2008 8:22 pm

Travis, thanks for another excellent article. Just a few thoughts on gold and silver. You hear many people touting the GLD and SLV ETF’s but rarely is the Canadian CEF mentioned. There is some question as to the honesty of GLD and SLV, but CEF is actual metal stored in a secure Canadian vault. It can not be shorted.

How will the government bail us out of the mess when the printing presses burn out from over use and our creditors come knocking? They will once more confiscate our gold (check the Patriot Act.) However, silver is not considered the same store of value as gold and most likely will not be confiscated (especially if it is in Canada.) Therefore, buy bags of $1,000 face value(or 1/4 or 1/2 bags)of “junk” silver – 90% coins (dimes, quarters and 1/2 dollars)minted before 1964. Theses can easily be exchanged for bread, milk, etc, while a gold coin may not be.

Also, there is often a very high premium when you go to sell your gold coins back to the dealer.

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Torkel
October 24, 2008 1:23 pm

With regards to the “printing of money”, can someone refer me to a site where I can learn things like; How and who authorizes it?, is it backed up by bonds?, all the time or just sometimes, actually the mechanics of the whole system. what is the immediate effect if any, or long term effect. Is the Fed entirely? Administration? Congress? It is a complete mystery to me and can not answer questions from my kids.

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John
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John
October 24, 2008 6:52 pm

Guys,

Don’t kick yourself, for every winner I saw there were 10 losers. Sjuggerud worst call was the Icelandic Long Bonds and the Krona. If you’re not familiar with the situation just Google Iceland Krona and sit back and read. In the last few weeks now the krona was near worthless and actually went no-bid for several days. Hate to see what you would have done trying to get your money out of that one. All the banks were nationalized and they are arguing over billions of British Pounds on deposit through Icesave (Google that one too) in accounts now which are essentially worthless. The Krona itself has come back a little, but was last trading anywhere from 150-200 to the dollar – and even more in Iceland. It was at 60 not two months ago. That’s a heck of a capital hit. Why Iceland? They were paying anywhere from 10-15% interest. Ahhh, yes, the never ending search for cheap risk (high yield low cost) – it usually ends badly.

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John
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John
October 24, 2008 6:57 pm

….and if your really not wanting to sleep at night – Google ‘Office of Comptroller of the Currency’ (in response to the previous question about money and where it comes from) and glance at the latest published financials and what position the banks are in vis-a-vis derivatives. Last count there was $200 trillion with a ‘t’ in outstanding exposure. You will then realize that $700 billion is a joke for “a bailout” and only the beginning. Eventually, in my opinion, the dollar is toast, and, also my opinion, it’s being done by design.

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Larry
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Larry
October 24, 2008 7:25 pm

What is your conspiracy theory John (the rationale behind the intentional devaluation of the US$ would be interesting to know up here in Canada…..as our currency sinks to new lows daily).

david
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david
October 25, 2008 7:25 am

“Eat, drink and be merry for (pooh) tomorrow it or you may be gone.” Fear not.

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