Zenith Trading Circle

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Brooks
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These guys are publishers first and foremost – not investment gurus! They have a stable full of expert copy writers who know just how to elicit the deep-seated greed we all have in us. Trading is an emotional process for most inexperienced people, and these copy writers are paid royalties on their success, and the higher their success on one sales letter, the more they can charge for succeeding sales letters. The majority of people will not ask for a refund, so these publishers keep on cranking out their sales letters. If 25% refund, they are still raking it in… Read more »
rmiken49
Member
164

Brooks, This is one of the best summations and analogies of online publishers I have read. Everyone should read and print your comments, then read them every time they get the least bit excited about paying the ridiculous subscriber fees, thinking they are headed for big profits. I agree; one does better making their own trades. Thank you for your well written and sensible comments.

Al Razzi
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Most of such publishers are not even offering a refund even when they cannot fulfill their claim. all you will get is one more year of their poor performing publication!

Bud Fox
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Shah Keeps emailing with a “last chance” lol the video was outrageous hype
Hey shah…You must have graduated from the Bernard L. Madoff school of economics! and also once worked for the firm of Dewey,Cheat
um, and Howe!

glynnor
Member
4

Just called the sales line to get some more info. Basically the “carbon trade” is selling put options and rolling them forward if the stock continues to fall. The representative told me that between July – September of 2017 there had been 15 trade recommendations, with 8 winners and 7 losers. The winners’ profit was a cumulative 700%, and the losers was at 366% loss. So, it sounds as though the odds are slightly in your favor, but what if those 7 were in a row… would deplete an account quite seriously.

Matt Morris
Irregular
14

To be fair, that is a risk when subscribing and following the recs of any service, even a service with a good track record…joining in the middle of a losing streak. Fortunately for my service, you can make money whether the market goes up OR down with the way we trade…the losers come when there isn’t much of a reaction at all. Here is my sign up page: http://www.fedtraderservice.com

Andres
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Selling the puts would be risky, and require margin to buy the stock if it was assigned to you. I think you mean buying the Put options.

Bill
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Under Michael Lewitt it had a major losing streak. When he bailed, Shah took over to save face and the subscribers. He’s done better but certainly not anywhere near the claims they make.

Eric
Irregular
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Wow…unbelievable as to what they were touting about a year ago!

JIM
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While the advise may be fair, good luck on entering the positions at the recommended price. In my experience I was unable to enter the market at the suggested price except on two occasions and those were not winners. A waste of the cost of the subscription.

blue cat
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I subscribed to this for awhile in 2016, never got a winning trade. For one thing, they claim an entry point as of the time the recommendation is made. This may be selling a put option with 210 contracts open interest. A couple days later, the open interest was over 100,000 contracts! So you have several hundred subscribers all trying to climb into a thinly traded security at the same time! It simply does not work. They were claiming the 2016 demise of several companies, including Tesla and Sears. Agreed, the balance sheets on both are awful, but the put… Read more »
robo46
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Hey blue cat, how did you get your money back? I’ve lost on every recommendation I tried. I’ve never gotten in at or below their “buy up to” price, even a couple minutes after receiving their emails. Most of the time, their trade is 30-100% above their buy up to price. I asked for my money back, but they refused. I also tried a charge back through my credit card company, but they’re fighting it.

blue cat
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I got back the money paid for the subscription by asking for it. They said I could have 2 more months to try because Michael Lewett had faced “bad markets”. I said thanks but no thanks, the problem is when a recommendation is made too many people try to make the trade at once, and of course the market maker changes the price. They were good about that. What I didn’t get back was the money lost on the trades. I never got a single winning trade. Then when the new editor took over I got tons of hype several… Read more »
Jacob
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I lost my subscription and lost all the investments except they recomended during 2017.

Dennis
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Don’t feel bad I think everyone who believed in this LOST

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Jacob
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good luck

John
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Did you get your money back through the credit card company? I have a same situation. I’ll request the money back via credit card company if you are success .

Paul
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I even tried waiting a few weeks, then buying the put for a fraction of their recommended price (as the stoke price had risen), But still lost on every trade.

Egidio
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Jim , that is a very good point. I always questioned the success rate of entering the market and place a position on the recommended trade.

Paul
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I joined and lost a lot of money. they had a 100% rate of losses. all options expired worthless, with 100% loss. Since then I’v been paper trading it & still see 100% of losses. This is bad enough, but they continue to claim stunning results & massive success. Such a bold face lie!

beanbag
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Paul, I am a subscriber to Zenith Trading Circle. I have serious concerns about what is going on with this service. To compound my concerns about the service, I have dealt with a “customer service” that is totally incompetent and ill-informed to the extent I would say they are useless. I have tried to move up to a supervisor but when they tell me one will call me, always at a later time, they never have called. The biggest concern I have is the impossibility of getting into the trades when Mr. Shah sends out the alerts. I know all… Read more »
cvairag
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liars and crooks – ‘money map’ press should face a class action suit – but who’s got the time?

Will I earn back the subscription price let alone
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Will I earn back the subscription price let alone

No way Will I earn back the subscription price let alone make any money. His emails arrive too late to get in at the recommended price and few or no recommendations are given on when to close

Sean
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Enjoyed the reviews as I was considering joining Zenith but will not now.

rmiken49
Member
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I joined Zenith the end of 2016 with Michael Lewitt. Got out with subscription refund. Only lost a small amount. I am a member of the Agora Financial group. As a lifetime member (joined in 2007 when they were another name) I receive daily recommendations from many of their publications. Of these only some of their publications are profitable. It is helpful to have a trade account large enough to benefit from the many recommendations. One has to pick and choose the suggested trades (options or stocks). Most of the online companies such as Agora and Zenith all have the… Read more »
Matt Morris
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WOW guys sorry to hear about all the misfortune from this services’ reco’s. :-
I have a service called “Fed Trader Service” http://www.fedtraderservice.com where we trade GLD options during certain news events…it’s fun, fast paced and proven…around 70% winners since inception in early 2016, and some are good sized % gains. I have plenty of testimonials and a track record to prove my claims.

Dennis
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If you go back 2 to 3 days before the alert, that is usually when you could have gotten the option for that price. I terminated the subscription to Zenith ,

beanbag
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What do you mean?

Dennis
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Zenith Trading Circle

Dennis
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I mean that I never got in on the suggested option price ither, but usually when i pulled up the chart for the particular option, most of the time 2 to 3 days before the alert it was at the suggested price. Zenith’ Trading Circle is not worth buying. It’s a ripoff

beanbag
Member
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Heres a “comment” I sent about a week ago to the guy who is supposed to be the senior editor of Money Map Press and have not heard back yet. Fred Dear Mr. Weisbecker, I am a subscriber to Zenith Trading Circle. I have serious concerns about what is going on with this service. To compound my concerns about the service, I have dealt with a “customer service” that is totally incompetent and ill-informed to the extent I would say they are useless. I have tried to move up to a supervisor but when they tell me one will call… Read more »
Matt Morris
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I suppose the track record looks bad. But also factor in that one huge winner could erase a lot of the damage from several losing trades. That said, I do agree it’s silly to say we can’t give you a track record. They could at least go back a couple months or so and dig up his alerts right?

flyboy911
Irregular
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You are correct

Pack Norman
Guest
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I have lost more money with this service than any service I have ever used. They advertise the spectacular trades, but never discuss the failures. Most of the plays since last sept were 100% losers. Do yourself a favor. Stay away. Retired physician. Investor x 35 years.

rmiken49
Member
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Member since late 2016 with Zenith. Got out and with a refund during that period. (Also a lifetime member of Agora Financial Reserve). Thought I might benefit from Zenith but market timing was off as Michael Lewitt anticipated a bear market when he initiated Zenith. Only now are we in the nascent bear market. If one must subscribe to these services, be aware that recommendations are not always succinct with the market ups and downs. I use Agora recommendations as a guide. If they appear to be in line with the current market trend, whether short term or long term,… Read more »
Pack Norman
Guest
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I asked for a refund and they denied it after saying they would pay one half back. Customer service specialist was a jerk.

rmiken49
Member
164

Sorry for the late reply. I was only able to get a refund when I initiated this service in September of 2016. There was a 90 day trial or your money back. I asked for a refund and the full subscription price was applied to my credit card when I opted out before the 90 day trail. Zenith was a new service at the time (with Michael Lewitt) so they apparently were more prone to refund subscription prices at the time.

Robert Randel
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I’d say the Zenith ideas are among the best of MoneyMap… which isn’t saying too much. The worst part of their service is the Customer Service..or should I say lack thereof… As a professional trading a few hundred thousand dollars I seek any pertinent info I can get to help in making decisions. I don;t rely on services, but I will use them for ideas… I made the mistake of signing up with MoneyMap as a Top Tier investor with their Passport Select program. Once in I have had the WORST Customer Service ever! I guess they figured they got… Read more »
pbormann
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Robert R., I appreciate your comments. I just watched Shah Gilani’s ridiculously long video (about an hour!) for his Money Zone system. Repeated the same info at least a dozen times, must be getting paid by the word! I’m always suspicious of some “new” system anyone claims to have, like this Money Zone with 93% win rate. Just like the Zenith service he took over after I bailed out of it with 100% loss rate, I seriously doubt real life experience will be anything close to his 93% claim. Like everyone else, I never was able to get in or… Read more »
Mark
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Robert R. and pbormann, thanks for your comments. Shah’s Money Zone video is definitely “ridiculously long.” I’m less interested in his trade recs as I am his track record on predicting where the S&P will be by week’s end. Any thoughts as to whether he may have a high degree of accuracy in this regard? Thanks in advance for your input.

Dennis Stephens
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Heck no

beanbag
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Been in his service for just about a year. He has the worst track record of any service I have ever subscribed to. It is so bad, they will not even give you a track record. The trades he is talking about are old trades and about the only ones he has made that were positive. His last 15 trades or so are 100% losers. If he is wrong he never recommends at any point to get out of the trades. If you are no fairly knowledgeable at trading options you should definitely stay away from this guy. Everything about… Read more »
Dennis Stephens
Guest
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Amen beanbag, I had a lot of respect for the money map guys, listening to them on TV , but I don’t now, anyone who would put their name on that, aint much. But I was the sucker who bought into it.

torgo3000
Irregular
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Hi Mark. That is exactly the key question. The 93% figure comes from back-testing. This allegedly magic algorithm fits the weekly directional pattern of the S&P 500 in 93% of weeks from spring 2009 to now. I haven’t signed up for Money Zone but I am thinking about it as it looks to be different from the rest of their offerings. Looks like this is based on trading index options on the S&P, which appeals to me enough that I’d consider the $2k price tag. The big question is whether that 93% figure is likely to hold up at least… Read more »
George T.
Guest
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I joined that program 3 weeks ago and his 1st two recommendations were duds. Gilani’s forecast system is no better than an astrology horoscope.

Retired CGA

beanbag
Guest
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Zenith Trading Circle, Shah Gelani, and Money Map Press are so bad and deceptive with their outrageous claims that they should be exposed to the entire country. Some of their guys are regularly guests on Fox News/Business. Fox needs to be contacted and informed of their deceptive advertising claims. I am, regrettably, a subscriber and since September of 2017 he has 23, 100% losers. The other 4 positions they show, are basically 100% losers. Today he is claiming that he has had gains of 6,160% since April 2017. He has had 18, 100% losers since that date. How do you… Read more »
flyboy911
Irregular
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these guys will lie

Dave
Guest
0

Can you back your claims up with some kind of list showing the trade reco’s?
If someone is a member don’t they have access to a portfolio which shows all the open and closed positions? Maybe a screen cap for people to see?

Thanks

rmiken49
Member
164
Noted in my earlier comments, I am a member of another Agora group, “Platinum Reserve”. It consist of many different publications. These publications have various approaches including stock buying, cryptocurrencies, options (puts and calls) and other approaches with suggestions on how to preserve capital and so on. In my subscription there is approximately 41 different services (includes a few free newsletters) Through my account, I can access all of the publications including current open trades and closed trades. That provides the track record helping me decide which publications to participate in. I seems that after joining Zenith Trading Circle, you… Read more »