Author/Editor
Shah Gilani
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Money Map Press
Description
Trading service that recommends out-of-the-money put options to profit from companies with weak financials, with “carbon trades” that are essentially rolling those same put option trades forward when they expire and hoping to profit several times from a stock in persistent decline. Launched by Michael Lewitt in September 2016, he was replaced by Shah Gilani in April 2017.
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I am currently in the zenith trading circle. under Michael Lewitt, I did pull out of some options as recommended and lost money. I may have won one or two trades under him. Under Shah who has taken over, I sold 3 different put options, today, for 443%, 23%, and 26%. I am only investing a few contracts in each option, so as not to risk too much money. In total, I made about $700.00. I am not investing in every put option that is recommended. Shah has also recommended some calls and puts on a couple of stocks. He released a list of the winning trades since he has taken over (just a few weeks ago) and there were 7 wins. Michael Lewitt has gone on to another newsletter called Mans newsletter or something like that dealing with survival issues and some trading.
Carbon trading is a fancy name for just investing more money into the same option after taking a win. Like a carbon copy. it is rolling profits into another option, with a different expiration date and maybe a different strike price in the same stock. I don’t know if I will reenroll in zenith. I’ll have to see if I make more money than the cost of the newsletter to make it worthwhile. I am just now really tracking each trade. I will have to go back to see how much I have made to date. If I had looked at these reviews before enrolling, I would not have enrolled.
You’ve got to be in awe of the writing skills of newsletter ad copywriters. They’re almost as good as the “main stream media” in the ways they bend and obfuscate in order to convince the trusting souls they target. They would clean up as fiction novelists.
Years ago I subscribed to Shah and what a waste of money. Good to hear some of his picks are working this year. Yes, the copywriters are gifted with seductive writing style.
If its too good to be true why are you giving this guy a dime.
It was a one time deal and yes, I was “sold” on the guy at the time, as an experienced professional. Lesson learned and moved on.
I am so happy I checked before I jumped. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually
is not. Thanks for saving me untold stress.
I’m glad I looked before jumping and blowing my money thank god!!!!
Just received the email today from Shah, and I see that – just like Michael L. – that the service is strictly limited to only 500 suckers. Sorry, I mean investors. Either this outrageous service has been plagued with good people seeking refunds, or the 500 limit is purely B.S. My suspicion is that the 500 limit is about as accurate as his wonderful profit promises. I don’t know when this thing first aired, but it must have been 8 or 9 months ago now. I have to wonder if there isn’t some form of retribution that can be played against these guys. I also wonder just how many people have been duped out of $2,000 – give or take – and how much money these guys have pocketed. I mean to say, what if a couple of thousand people have paid up and not got a refund? Good grief people, that’s $4 million big ones. I don’t see any way of finding out how many people have actually done this. If they don’t know about Travis, or if they don’t think of doing a search and adding “scam” to the name, I can see how easy it would be to get sucked in. And maybe that’s not even the worst part…the advice has been so wrong that it seems that many of the posters here have been led down the proverbial garden path and taken a bath at the end of it. So, it may not be just the several million $ in membership fees that have gone out the window, but also potentially many more millions lost due to bad advice. I really do hope that this series of comments helps to put an end to these guys ripping everyone off.
Nope, not gonna happen cocobolo. There’s a sucker born every minute, and their no refund policy, Agora household’s plagiarized W.C. Field’s battle cry to – ‘Never give a sucker an even break’. I’ve been robbed by Jim Rikard’s ‘Kissinger Cross’ b.s. to the point of nearly $20 large! His first reco – a gold play netted me 150%, so that gave him juice in my eye. So you keep going in and effectively doubling down, just like at Blackjack, but Blackjack’s got far better odds.
Then there was my most recent faux pas – Seismic Profit Alerts’. I don’t even know the name of the Bernie who ‘Madoff’ with my money on that one, ‘cuz I’ve got mental blocks to deal with from all the trauma of losing ANOTHER $20 large! At least I DID get a refund from that one! But B.F.D.!
Getting back to Shah Gilani on his Zenith Trading Circle, I have to wonder how Agora can keep shilling for his 89% winning streak, if he’s choking as bad as y’all are saying he is! Moreover, I’ve got a sister who bought in with him this spring, so I’ll check on her successive failures and get back to you.
In the meantime, this sucker wants to know if anybody here has bought in to the new Wunderkind on the blockhead called ‘The Money Calendar Pro’? It’s $2500 U.S., which is about $30 grand Canuck, right? I don’t know if they’ve got any guarantees or money back with it or not, so I’m not sticking my neck in the noose unless it does. There should be a law that forces them to post an actual audited statement, visa vi the overall win/loss rate of their disservice.
It amazes me to no end on the BS these people get away with and this is not your $39.95 monthly news letter! I’m gad I read the foregoing and was about to jump in, but now that I’ve read some of these threads, no way am I buying in.
I feel terrible for those that lost big sums of money.
Me too
Glad I stopped by, I too keep receiving emails so I sat thru the long video and it was just a another to good to be true thing so I started checking and found this site. I will be skipping this guys advice. I did have fair success with Zacks “income on demand” but you must be a fast learner on options and research what he wants you to sell. at one point I added up all the puts excersised for one year and many people were siting on 100,000 worth of stock still selling calls to get them gone. I just got in on something I would like to own not just what he said would be good. it has worked out well and I understand a lot better but life is an education you cant stop learning.
Hi, Terry, you mentioned Zach’s ” income on demand” Does it really work? I am interested but am not sure if he is also a shah gilani type of character. A scam. I am also into Shah’s ZTC but I don’t have funds to trade, so my loss is limited to my subscription fee. It;s good I didn’t buy his lifetime membership pitch which is an additional $1,450. Thanks in advance for any advice as far sa Zach Schneidt is concerned.
I have used Zach Schneidt in other subscription services involving options and made a reasonable profit and found his recommendations were good at the time. This was also during the market fall in 08-09 so markets were trending down at the time and his put options made profits. I am in his Lifetime Income Report (Agora Financial) with reasonable recommendations and not too risky. His income on demand service is selling put options and is a good deal if the stock keeps going up and the options expire worthless. If the stock reverses direction down, then you could be obligated to buy the stock outright. There is less risk if the markets are going up. That is the risk and you have to have enough capital to buy the stock if the trade goes against you. I do not like selling put options for that reason. The markets may continue going up for a few more months (or not) so selling put options may be less risky now. Many subscription services offer put option selling so seems to be the trend now as long as the markets continue to rise.
Many thanks to you all for sharing your experiences, most helpful
Once again, Gumshoe has saved me time and money. Thanks yo all who commented.
Thank God for Travis and all the contributors to this thread. Like many others ,after receiving an email from Shah,thought I would check Gumshoe,and how glad I am that I did. So sorry for all those that have lost $ trusting these people.Good luck in the future.
Look this guy up I subscribe to his page. He is legit he is not always right but has been more often than not. He has a live chat room and they are more than happy to help out there. https://thesantarelliexchange.com
As per the current hucksterism for Shah Gilani’s Zenith Trading Circle that they’re endless touting, he’s supposedly making 44% a day return. Actually, when you go to the website, it says: “He’s now up to 59% gains per day… That’s 2,388% total gains in 40 trading days (including partial closeouts)…”
Now, in 1 month, 20 trading days, if you were to make 44% a day and compounded your winnings, you would turn $1000 into $1.47 million. If you’re returning 59%, after 20 days you’re above $10M! Of course, 1 losing day and you’d be back at 0. And of course, that doesn’t take into account the impossibility of taking position sizes that large without distorting the market. But still, anyone should look at that figure and say, there’s just no way that’s possible. If it was, why would Gilani bother selling it? Because it’s a lot easier to sell 500 suckers his service for $1950 each and get just under $2m in hand (which per their terms, is not refundable for 1 year if he doesn’t make his promised numbers, and even then, it will be a hard time getting it back from them), than it is to actually trade his way to $2m. Even if everyone wanted their money refunded, it’s a great interest free loan of $2M for a year!
What Fabian says, is so true, for all these options newsletters: “Never subscribe options letters. The volumes and the way they are priced don’t work in your favor when thousands of subscribers jump on the same strike/maturity at the same time. Then the bid disappears and you’re stuck in the mud. ”
I’ve not seen one yet that makes money overall, because they all let too many of their positions expire worthless. Really, if one was to do the opposite of all these services (Steve Sarnoff, anyone?), then you could do very while. Of course, you have to be willing to write those options and hold them naked, which most people that aren’t pro / floor traders aren’t willing to do, and it takes a LOT of margin to do so.
Thanks again for the forum for people to share their experiences and help expose these losers!
I joined Zenith under Michael Lewitt back in 2016 and was down $2000 before requesting a full refund before my trial period ran out.
I am tempted to try Zenith under Shah but I’m to gun shy…
I am so glad Stock Gumshoe exists! There’s a sucker born every minute, and thanks to SG, I am not one of them any longer.
Is the “carbon trades” promoted by Shah Gilani
actually selling options?
In the original newsletter with Michael Lewitt it was explained as buying put options at a certain trigger point when a stock is poised to decline. When the stock starts to bounce, sell the put options for hopefully a profit and wait for the same stock to rise again for a period of time and then buy more put options before it falls again. The carbon trade meant to do the same identical type of buying put options over and over as a “poor” company tends to drop in price over a period of time. In theory, this might work but if this is attempted in an “up trending” market, the put options can lose value very quickly. With enough time and the markets keep rising, the put option for a particular company can become worthless. Even potentially bad companies keep rising in an up trending market (continued investor optimism) even though all the facts point to a company that will eventually fail. As long as investor enthusiasm is high when the markets are trending up, even bad companies will continue to rise. The same principle could be applied to companies going up and buying call options and applying the same “carbon” trade over and over. This would work great as long as the market keeps trending up. Take TSLA. They still haven’t made a profit but investors have taken the stock from $20 to over $386 per share (recently corrected and today $341 per share) over a period of years.
Michael Lewitt made the mistake of assuming the markets would soon change directions in fall of 2016 but today continue to rise. Perhaps Shah Gilani will do some of the same for a market continuing to rise where call options would serve well. I don’t know.
The markets are now in the process of peaking and expecting a correction down for a few weeks and then a “final” peak afterwards. That is why it is so important to have some understanding of how markets work so when buying puts or calls, an investor can determine the best time to get involved. Newsletter such as with Michael Lewitt or Shah Gilani offer great info on companies but not always timed to best benefit the readers if market timing is a bit off. As noted in earlier comments, I follow Elliott Wave predictions to help determine the best time to benefit with puts or calls. It doesn’t matter which newsletter, option service, etc. that one is subscribed to, market timing is crucial. Also, see nice summary comments from surirose Johnson (May 26) above on “carbon trading”.
I see somebody posted an email recommending Jason Bond for trading. Check this link out. It seems He is a pump and dump scam artisit. https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/jason-bond/
thank you all for helping me not getting involved in Zenith and losing my shirt ! !
and I thought maybe it was just me. Thanks for all the input.
I really can’t believe how people are so negative about Zenith under Shah. I am making money using his advice. I would be making more if I didn’t get greedy but that was my fault. His concept of buying puts on dead retail works. I am happy with his service and in fact I signed up for lifetime for $1,000. When something works you stick with it. Just look at his tremendous success with Kroger’s and Chili’s. I cleaned up. The Zenith fee is not cheap but if you follow instructions and don’t hold puts past their sell time I think it is a home run. Also Money Map Press is a reliable organization. If you want to cancel and get a refund you will. I did it with another service. I am very happy with Zenith trading circle.
What’s been your track record and how long have you been in it? Are you making 59% daily?
I, for one, would be most interested to hear from someone who has made the sorts of gains that Gilani is talking about. It seems to me from reading all the comments above – with a single exception – that losing seems to be Zenith’s strong suit, rather than winning. What say you good people?