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Shah Gilani
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Money Map Press
Description
Trading service that recommends out-of-the-money put options to profit from companies with weak financials, with “carbon trades” that are essentially rolling those same put option trades forward when they expire and hoping to profit several times from a stock in persistent decline. Launched by Michael Lewitt in September 2016, he was replaced by Shah Gilani in April 2017.
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These guys are publishers first and foremost – not investment gurus! They have a stable full of expert copy writers who know just how to elicit the deep-seated greed we all have in us. Trading is an emotional process for most inexperienced people, and these copy writers are paid royalties on their success, and the higher their success on one sales letter, the more they can charge for succeeding sales letters. The majority of people will not ask for a refund, so these publishers keep on cranking out their sales letters. If 25% refund, they are still raking it in by the bucketful – i.e. if 100 people pay $2,000 and 25 refund, they still rake in $150,000 each time they push their sales letter – and they keep pushing it out – to every list they can get their hands on. Personally, I’ve found that my best trades are the ones that I figured out on my own, and thanks to Stock Gum Shoe, I can scope out the most ridiculous sales letters, like Zenith Trading Circle – can you really believe that a publisher can achieve a 44% or 59% return every trading day, for months on end? And if they really could, why would they be selling it to everyone with and email address, for $2,000. They would either be trading it themselves or they would be licensing it out to every hedge fund they could, for multi-millions a pop. Cheers…
Brooks, This is one of the best summations and analogies of online publishers I have read. Everyone should read and print your comments, then read them every time they get the least bit excited about paying the ridiculous subscriber fees, thinking they are headed for big profits. I agree; one does better making their own trades. Thank you for your well written and sensible comments.
Most of such publishers are not even offering a refund even when they cannot fulfill their claim. all you will get is one more year of their poor performing publication!
Shah Keeps emailing with a “last chance” lol the video was outrageous hype
Hey shah…You must have graduated from the Bernard L. Madoff school of economics! and also once worked for the firm of Dewey,Cheat
um, and Howe!
Just called the sales line to get some more info. Basically the “carbon trade” is selling put options and rolling them forward if the stock continues to fall. The representative told me that between July – September of 2017 there had been 15 trade recommendations, with 8 winners and 7 losers. The winners’ profit was a cumulative 700%, and the losers was at 366% loss. So, it sounds as though the odds are slightly in your favor, but what if those 7 were in a row… would deplete an account quite seriously.
To be fair, that is a risk when subscribing and following the recs of any service, even a service with a good track record…joining in the middle of a losing streak. Fortunately for my service, you can make money whether the market goes up OR down with the way we trade…the losers come when there isn’t much of a reaction at all. Here is my sign up page: http://www.fedtraderservice.com
Selling the puts would be risky, and require margin to buy the stock if it was assigned to you. I think you mean buying the Put options.
Good luck if you join. Not recommended.
Under Michael Lewitt it had a major losing streak. When he bailed, Shah took over to save face and the subscribers. He’s done better but certainly not anywhere near the claims they make.
Wow…unbelievable as to what they were touting about a year ago!
While the advise may be fair, good luck on entering the positions at the recommended price. In my experience I was unable to enter the market at the suggested price except on two occasions and those were not winners. A waste of the cost of the subscription.
I subscribed to this for awhile in 2016, never got a winning trade. For one thing, they claim an entry point as of the time the recommendation is made. This may be selling a put option with 210 contracts open interest. A couple days later, the open interest was over 100,000 contracts! So you have several hundred subscribers all trying to climb into a thinly traded security at the same time! It simply does not work. They were claiming the 2016 demise of several companies, including Tesla and Sears. Agreed, the balance sheets on both are awful, but the put options expired worthless. I must admit that when Michael Lewett left and they substituted a newsletter by Shah Gilani, which also wasn’t working for me, and I insisted on my money back, I got it, promptly. But that didn’t help the trading losses. But I learned my lesson: trade options ONLY in trades I have researched myself, and do NOT subscribe to anything where the editor is going to be recommending option trades. The handful of beta testers may have done very well, but when there are several hundred subscribers all trying to buy or sell the same option at the same time, the market maker is the only one who is going to profit.
Hey blue cat, how did you get your money back? I’ve lost on every recommendation I tried. I’ve never gotten in at or below their “buy up to” price, even a couple minutes after receiving their emails. Most of the time, their trade is 30-100% above their buy up to price. I asked for my money back, but they refused. I also tried a charge back through my credit card company, but they’re fighting it.
I got back the money paid for the subscription by asking for it. They said I could have 2 more months to try because Michael Lewett had faced “bad markets”. I said thanks but no thanks, the problem is when a recommendation is made too many people try to make the trade at once, and of course the market maker changes the price. They were good about that. What I didn’t get back was the money lost on the trades. I never got a single winning trade. Then when the new editor took over I got tons of hype several e-mails a day. Nope. Learned my lesson about this one. Beware.
I lost my subscription and lost all the investments except they recomended during 2017.
Don’t feel bad I think everyone who believed in this LOST
good luck
Did you get your money back through the credit card company? I have a same situation. I’ll request the money back via credit card company if you are success .
I even tried waiting a few weeks, then buying the put for a fraction of their recommended price (as the stoke price had risen), But still lost on every trade.
Jim , that is a very good point. I always questioned the success rate of entering the market and place a position on the recommended trade.
I joined and lost a lot of money. they had a 100% rate of losses. all options expired worthless, with 100% loss. Since then I’v been paper trading it & still see 100% of losses. This is bad enough, but they continue to claim stunning results & massive success. Such a bold face lie!
Paul,
I am a subscriber to Zenith Trading Circle. I have serious concerns about what is going on with this service. To compound my concerns about the service, I have dealt with a “customer service” that is totally incompetent and ill-informed to the extent I would say they are useless. I have tried to move up to a supervisor but when they tell me one will call me, always at a later time, they never have called. The biggest concern I have is the impossibility of getting into the trades when Mr. Shah sends out the alerts. I know all about fast moving markets and such, but this is a horse of a different color. I have been unable to get into any of the trades for the last 6 months, except for one. I was able to get into it because the incompetent transposed the “buy up to price” from a strike price of 24 to 42. When I looked at the option chain I figured out that that was probably what they had done. That set off a red flag to my way of thinking. Why was the only trade I was able to get into was because of a screw-up such as this? Here’s the real puzzling thing about this whole alert program. I have my trading platform up all day and I am usually sitting next to it on my other computer. I use TDAmeritrade Think or Swim, which is a very good platform. How can a trade always be from .05 cents to .30 above his recommended price when I see the alert immediately? And, he always says to “please don’t overpay” because it screws up his system. What is the explanation? Does he have too many subscribers? For example, on his last reco, in a matter of minutes over 5000 contracts were traded. Is there some pump and dump going on? Is there some insider hanky panky going on? And here’s a real outrage. When I asked for a track record of the trades that have been made since I became a subscriber, I was told they couldn’t do that. Unheard of.
liars and crooks – ‘money map’ press should face a class action suit – but who’s got the time?
No way Will I earn back the subscription price let alone make any money. His emails arrive too late to get in at the recommended price and few or no recommendations are given on when to close
Enjoyed the reviews as I was considering joining Zenith but will not now.
I joined Zenith the end of 2016 with Michael Lewitt. Got out with subscription refund. Only lost a small amount. I am a member of the Agora Financial group. As a lifetime member (joined in 2007 when they were another name) I receive daily recommendations from many of their publications. Of these only some of their publications are profitable. It is helpful to have a trade account large enough to benefit from the many recommendations. One has to pick and choose the suggested trades (options or stocks). Most of the online companies such as Agora and Zenith all have the same protocols. Their trade suggestions are only just that and if they fit within certain market conditions you will make a profit or could lose everything. If one must join one of these online companies, the subscription could be used primarily as a guide. It is helpful to have comprehensive knowledge of the technical aspects of trading to know when to get in and then get out or to use some variation of the recommendation. Agora makes a reasonable effort in timing their recommendations and when to sell (profit or loss). Trading today’s markets whether using an online group or on your own is very difficult and time consuming if it is done correctly and where to cut your losses. I have had better success trading on my own rather than through specific recommendations of any of the online groups.
WOW guys sorry to hear about all the misfortune from this services’ reco’s. :-
I have a service called “Fed Trader Service” http://www.fedtraderservice.com where we trade GLD options during certain news events…it’s fun, fast paced and proven…around 70% winners since inception in early 2016, and some are good sized % gains. I have plenty of testimonials and a track record to prove my claims.
If you go back 2 to 3 days before the alert, that is usually when you could have gotten the option for that price. I terminated the subscription to Zenith ,
What do you mean?
Zenith Trading Circle
I mean that I never got in on the suggested option price ither, but usually when i pulled up the chart for the particular option, most of the time 2 to 3 days before the alert it was at the suggested price. Zenith’ Trading Circle is not worth buying. It’s a ripoff
Heres a “comment” I sent about a week ago to the guy who is supposed to be the senior editor of Money Map Press and have not heard back yet. Fred
Dear Mr. Weisbecker,
I am a subscriber to Zenith Trading Circle. I have serious concerns about what is going on with this service. To compound my concerns about the service, I have dealt with a “customer service” that is totally incompetent and ill-informed to the extent I would say they are useless. I have tried to move up to a supervisor but when they tell me one will call me, always at a later time, they never have called. The biggest concern I have is the impossibility of getting into the trades when Mr. Shah sends out the alerts. I know all about fast moving markets and such, but this is a horse of a different color. I have been unable to get into any of the trades for the last 6 months, except for one. I was able to get into it because the incompetent transposed the “buy up to price” from a strike price of 24 to 42. When I looked at the option chain I figured out that that was probably what they had done. That set off a red flag to my way of thinking. Why was the only trade I was able to get into was because of a screw-up such as this? Here’s the real puzzling thing about this whole alert program. I have my trading platform up all day and I am usually sitting next to it on my other computer. I use TDAmeritrade Think or Swim, which is a very good platform. How can a trade always be from .05 cents to .30 above his recommended price when I see the alert immediately? And, he always says to “please don’t overpay” because it screws up his system. What is the explanation? Does he have too many subscribers? For example, on his last reco, in a matter of minutes over 5000 contracts were traded. Is there some pump and dump going on? Is there some insider hanky panky going on? And here’s a real outrage. When I asked for a track record of the trades that have been made since I became a subscriber, I was told they couldn’t do that. Unheard of.
I got your name on the “welcome” email I received when I subscribed. I hope you have the integrity and authority to give me some kind of an explanation. Your customer service is an abomination. And to top it off, I get these incessant emails from “Shah” bragging about his tremendous trades. The one sent out this morning is nothing but hog wash. He’s trying to lure in more suckers with these trades that were made over a year ago. Right now, this year, he has had nine 100% losers, and five more probable 100% losers. How can you people in good faith send out the promos that border on being fraudulent to lure in unsuspecting souls who have no idea of what is going on. Regarding the losers, I am not complaining about them, it is the fact that he keeps bragging about his success. He’s a loser. I have gotten into a few of the trades by “upping my price” a little to get in. I am sitting right now on big losses on all of them. In reality if one does not understand position sizing and managing their accounts, they would be broke. Their accounts could not stand losing 80% of their trades.
If I don’t get a track record on this service, I will not stop until I get to somebody that will make sure I get it. I guess the next stop would be the SEC.
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I suppose the track record looks bad. But also factor in that one huge winner could erase a lot of the damage from several losing trades. That said, I do agree it’s silly to say we can’t give you a track record. They could at least go back a couple months or so and dig up his alerts right?
You are correct
I have lost more money with this service than any service I have ever used. They advertise the spectacular trades, but never discuss the failures. Most of the plays since last sept were 100% losers. Do yourself a favor. Stay away. Retired physician. Investor x 35 years.
Member since late 2016 with Zenith. Got out and with a refund during that period. (Also a lifetime member of Agora Financial Reserve). Thought I might benefit from Zenith but market timing was off as Michael Lewitt anticipated a bear market when he initiated Zenith. Only now are we in the nascent bear market. If one must subscribe to these services, be aware that recommendations are not always succinct with the market ups and downs. I use Agora recommendations as a guide. If they appear to be in line with the current market trend, whether short term or long term, I will plan accordingly (member of Agora since 2007 when it used to be Taipan so now only a small maintenance fee each year). The Agora website also maintains a current portfolio of open and closed trades with all of my membership publications.
I use Elliott Wave International to guide me throughout the market day during market hours with additional publications several times weekly and monthly. I have been a member of Elliott Wave International (EWI) since 2009. Since being a member of EWI, my trades have been profitable with minimal losses. Any losses have been due to being impatient and/or impulsive and not paying attention to the hourly/daily market directions provided by EWI. If anyone is interested, they have many free areas including videos. Using EWI as my guide along with Market Watch, stockcharts.com and yahoo finance, including the recommendations from Agora I am able to make successful (primarily option) trades. A final note is my experience with EWI and Agora is courteous and responsive customer services.
I asked for a refund and they denied it after saying they would pay one half back. Customer service specialist was a jerk.
Sorry for the late reply. I was only able to get a refund when I initiated this service in September of 2016. There was a 90 day trial or your money back. I asked for a refund and the full subscription price was applied to my credit card when I opted out before the 90 day trail. Zenith was a new service at the time (with Michael Lewitt) so they apparently were more prone to refund subscription prices at the time.
I’d say the Zenith ideas are among the best of MoneyMap… which isn’t saying too much. The worst part of their service is the Customer Service..or should I say lack thereof… As a professional trading a few hundred thousand dollars I seek any pertinent info I can get to help in making decisions. I don;t rely on services, but I will use them for ideas… I made the mistake of signing up with MoneyMap as a Top Tier investor with their Passport Select program. Once in I have had the WORST Customer Service ever! I guess they figured they got me for all they could – now no need to provide any more assistance. VERY disappointing. Worst yet their Senior Associate Director of Premium Services, Sean Broderick, just hung up on me when I asked him a series of questions he could not answer. When speaking about the newly offered Money Zone by Shah Galani, which is a service that offers guidance on selling premium using option spreads he told me, “You can make 100 to 200% on your money depending on how much you invest..” Ha! He doesn’t even understand how selling spreads works! You can never make ‘100%’ on a position your selling… the margin required to keep it is the key… anyway… Totally rude and just another sign if these guys really new what they were doing they’d be trading – not selling programs for others! Shah Galani may, or may not, be the real deal… but their staff lacks the brains to even talk intelligently about the services.
Robert R., I appreciate your comments. I just watched Shah Gilani’s ridiculously long video (about an hour!) for his Money Zone system. Repeated the same info at least a dozen times, must be getting paid by the word! I’m always suspicious of some “new” system anyone claims to have, like this Money Zone with 93% win rate. Just like the Zenith service he took over after I bailed out of it with 100% loss rate, I seriously doubt real life experience will be anything close to his 93% claim. Like everyone else, I never was able to get in or out of any of the Zenith trades close to the reco prices. I seriously doubt The Money Zone will be much different.
Robert R. and pbormann, thanks for your comments. Shah’s Money Zone video is definitely “ridiculously long.” I’m less interested in his trade recs as I am his track record on predicting where the S&P will be by week’s end. Any thoughts as to whether he may have a high degree of accuracy in this regard? Thanks in advance for your input.
Heck no
Been in his service for just about a year. He has the worst track record of any service I have ever subscribed to. It is so bad, they will not even give you a track record. The trades he is talking about are old trades and about the only ones he has made that were positive. His last 15 trades or so are 100% losers. If he is wrong he never recommends at any point to get out of the trades. If you are no fairly knowledgeable at trading options you should definitely stay away from this guy. Everything about Money Map Press is awful. Their customer service is like an answering service. All they can every say is “I’ll give your request to our support”. You never get any response. DON”T even think of subscribing to this liar. All those promo emails you get are grossly inaccurate. Almost forgot, you very seldom are able to get into his reco’s which has been helpful, actually. I still had enough 100% loser that my account would have been decimated if I hadn’t had quite a bit of experience in trading options.
Amen beanbag, I had a lot of respect for the money map guys, listening to them on TV , but I don’t now, anyone who would put their name on that, aint much. But I was the sucker who bought into it.
Hi Mark. That is exactly the key question. The 93% figure comes from back-testing. This allegedly magic algorithm fits the weekly directional pattern of the S&P 500 in 93% of weeks from spring 2009 to now.
I haven’t signed up for Money Zone but I am thinking about it as it looks to be different from the rest of their offerings. Looks like this is based on trading index options on the S&P, which appeals to me enough that I’d consider the $2k price tag. The big question is whether that 93% figure is likely to hold up at least well enough for the gains to outweigh whatever losses are incurred.
Plus side: Gilani claims that after doing the back testing, he put the algorithm through the paces himself for 22 weeks before unveiling the Money Zone product. I’m willing to trust that he really did this.
Minus side: MoneyMap as a whole has a horrible track record, and this is a Money Map product.
As an example, they’re now touting that “Night Trader” is averaging “almost two winning trades PER WEEK” and claiming that unless you are “killing it” with your current investments, you should consider signing up. What a joke… he averages roughly five trades per week, so “almost two” gainers should tell you right off the bat that Night Trader is a disaster of a product. And the losers are frequently options plays that wind up down 80%-100%.
I’m stunned that even the hype monsters at Money Map would try to push that track record as some kind of unstoppable money-making machine. That’s the main thing that has kept me from signing up for Money Zone so far.
Chriss belonged to another group , i liked Ken Trester ? but Chriss is a total loser , and to start the second high priced trade service with him is a disgrace to Money Map ! , Shah sounded good , but the stopped his other 2 services [ that had bad ratings ] and moved him up to higher costing services that seem to be badly rated here !
now i wish i could get my money back trading more then the amount i paid them , thats how bad !!!
hello Money Map , see the name , same as my log in , i take refund in cash or bitcoin !!!
I joined that program 3 weeks ago and his 1st two recommendations were duds. Gilani’s forecast system is no better than an astrology horoscope.
Retired CGA
Zenith Trading Circle, Shah Gelani, and Money Map Press are so bad and deceptive with their outrageous claims that they should be exposed to the entire country. Some of their guys are regularly guests on Fox News/Business. Fox needs to be contacted and informed of their deceptive advertising claims. I am, regrettably, a subscriber and since September of 2017 he has 23, 100% losers. The other 4 positions they show, are basically 100% losers. Today he is claiming that he has had gains of 6,160% since April 2017. He has had 18, 100% losers since that date. How do you figure? This is, pure and simple, fraudulent advertising. I don’t see any legitimate way one can claim gains when their loss rate is probably higher than 80%. And the trades on the website are the only ones you can see. Somebody please figure a way to expose this horrific charlatan who is preying on the innocents out there hoping to make some easy, quick money. I am not a facebook person but maybe that would be a way to get the message out there. Please, somebody expose this publisher.
these guys will lie
Can you back your claims up with some kind of list showing the trade reco’s?
If someone is a member don’t they have access to a portfolio which shows all the open and closed positions? Maybe a screen cap for people to see?
Thanks
Noted in my earlier comments, I am a member of another Agora group, “Platinum Reserve”. It consist of many different publications. These publications have various approaches including stock buying, cryptocurrencies, options (puts and calls) and other approaches with suggestions on how to preserve capital and so on. In my subscription there is approximately 41 different services (includes a few free newsletters) Through my account, I can access all of the publications including current open trades and closed trades. That provides the track record helping me decide which publications to participate in. I seems that after joining Zenith Trading Circle, you should be provided account access to open and closed trades. From there you could decide if you want to continue the service before the trail period ends. I am a lifetime member of the “Platinum Reserve” but only because I joined over 10 years ago when it was under a different name. Admittedly, some of the trading publications do better than others, so I pick and choose the ones with the better track records. Specific track records also depend on how the recommendations coincide with current market direction. I do not always go with recommendations depending on how they align with my own trading basics.
As I stated, I am a subscriber to Zenith Trading Circle. My comments are derived from their website in my account. Since a lot of these comments about their lack of transparency, they are showing a little more of their track record. But, it only goes back to January of 2017. Even just showing this length of time, in his claims he is claiming all of these huge winners. I can’t dispute some of his BS because it was almost impossible to get into the trades when recommended. Best thing that ever happened in this account. He is sitting on, or has recorded 25, 100% losers. The other two, that they show, are August and January ’19 expires. They should be investigate for their outrageous, fraudulent advertising. Gelani has compiled the worst record of anybody I have ever seen. I also have subscribed to probably 50-75 trading service over the last 30 years. My advice, don’t ever use a trading service to make trades. Go to a site like this and get information and see what is really going on. Travis Johnson is doing a great service to the sheep that are waiting to get slaughtered by these charlatans like Gelani.
no , they leave their winners showing but not their loses !!!
their portfolios never show the date AND cost of their entry , just a percentage up or down , and latley the portfolios are not updated ,
They do not have a place where they show ALL of their trades
latly they have been not selling losers till they are 100% losers
Tom calandr Pro is about average and profitable IF you take 50% winners and dump losers quickly others ,
the Nova X seems slightly profitable if you can afford enough stocks to overcome costs
But this year bounces up & down is hard for to short or long held plays for all services
Thanks George. I assume you’re talking about his new Money Zone offering. That’s very helpful. Can you update us again in a couple of weeks and let us know if his losing streak continues?
They all should be investigated by the securities exchange
You are wasting your money
When these marketers, yes marketers get to be so BOLD with other peoples money, they have No conscious., just another payday for themselves.
Guess what, are you all brought back to reality, Michael, can’t be too bold now, when you have to get replaced due to your arrogance to know this market.
I would rather see, if I ever subscribe again to this kind of service, that they have some skin in the game. The way this is presently structured, they just do “Paper Trading”, and throwing suggestions out there.
I spent $2000 to join in 2016, then spent another $4000 on Michael’s first 4-5 trades and kept watching him do a run of Losers thereafter.
Chuck this up to my ignorance, and moving on.
Oh by the way, don’t try that auto renew, it won’t work.
Peace out!
Thank you for providing these comments about Zenith, Money Map, and now Money Zone. I have had a love/hate relationship with Agora for several years. Seems like they just continue to send promotionals and develop new ways to convince us that they can help us make money using their services. I was close to buying Gilani’s new Money Zone for $2k when I decided to see if there were comments on the stockgumshoe website. Thank goodness for this information. I know now that I am very gullible. I believe the promises these Marketers make, and have fallen for Agora pitches in the past. Because they didn’t deliver, I have cancelled every one of them, and vow to never give any Agora Marketer another cent! Keep up the good work of allowing people to share their war stories about phony success records! You just saved me from another mistake.
MoneyMap expensive newsletter Zenith and Night trader have given just disastrous
recommendations since I signed up.
Zenith doubled down on a Put on DIN; both plays lost money.
Could be they couldn’t handle the market volatility of late,
which, of course, happened just as I signed up.
Night Trader plays were >80% underwater within a couple days ago.
Okay boys and girls, give this guy your money and the only thing it will buy is a very expensive parking spot for Shah’s Ferrari. Stay away from this creep, please read my review here on Stockgumshoe on his buddy slime ball Tom Gentile. All of the reviews about these guys will enlighten you. Even the positive reviews. Why? Because they are pure bullcrap. Lies and more lies. If they were making money I would have also. I lost over 12 grand studiously playing their alerts every day. NOBODY COULD HAVE BROKEN EVEN LET ALONE A PROFIT. I played over 50 trades. Eventually, every time I had an alert my heart rate would go sky high. Got so dirty I hated looking for the alerts. I had to walk away. It was so depressing to know I was being scammed. Are you retired? Good. These guys will take your money so fast you won’t be able to count your loss of money as fast as you lose it. Where is the SEC? Sitting on their fat duffs? I will be filing a complaint. These guys need to be selling their con jobs behind bars Both of them. Slimy little thieves. I switched to crypto and have recouped my losses with those Money Map con artists. Dirty little rats.